[ADMIN: THREAD CAUTION] Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:53:22 +1100, Jessica Enders wrote: I was wondering what WYSIWYG electronic (web and other) forms building software would you recommend or avoid? I'm interested in experience with Form Assembly, in particular. The sorts of things I'm interested in feedback on include Wufoo, Icebrrg, SurveyMonkey, Zoomerang, QuestionPro, Vovici, FormSite, ColdFusion, InfoPath, Adobe LiveCycle and SnapForm. Hi guys, I don't think this is an on on-topic thread, but feel free to reply - if you can keep it to a discussion of standards. Any off topic responses should go directly to Jessica. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groiot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Hero Style Presentation
Hello I remember seeing a few years ago a presentation done (in HTML) about Web Standards. It had a whole load of Super hero / Roy Lichtenstein style graphics. Anyone have a link, I really would appreciate it? Thanks E. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Hero Style Presentation
On 5 Feb 2008, at 09:43, Web Man Walking wrote: Hello I remember seeing a few years ago a presentation done (in HTML) about Web Standards. It had a whole load of Super hero / Roy Lichtenstein style graphics. Anyone have a link, I really would appreciate it? Is this what you mean? http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Hero Style Presentation
Hurrah! Thank you. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dorward Sent: 05 February 2008 10:02 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Hero Style Presentation On 5 Feb 2008, at 09:43, Web Man Walking wrote: Hello I remember seeing a few years ago a presentation done (in HTML) about Web Standards. It had a whole load of Super hero / Roy Lichtenstein style graphics. Anyone have a link, I really would appreciate it? Is this what you mean? http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software
Jessica Enders wrote: Hi all I was wondering what WYSIWYG electronic (web and other) forms building software would you recommend or avoid? I'm interested in experience with Form Assembly, in particular. The sorts of things I'm interested in feedback on include Wufoo, Icebrrg, SurveyMonkey, Zoomerang, QuestionPro, Vovici, FormSite, ColdFusion, InfoPath, Adobe LiveCycle and SnapForm. Thanks in anticipation, Jessica Enders Director Formulate Information Design http://formulate.com.au Phone: (02) 6116 8765 Fax: (02) 8456 5916 PO Box 5108 Braddon ACT 2612 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** You would be better off to look at these tutorials on Accessible html/xhtml forms at: http://www.webstandards.org/learn/tutorials/accessible-forms/ I know you asked about WYSIWYG tools for this but if your looking for experience in forms then your much better off starting by learning how to them without a WYSIWYG tool. These tutorials on the Web Standards Project web site (after you look at the forms tutorial on http://www.w3schools.com/) will give you a grounding for judging other tools. Have fun -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Electronic forms building software
Peter, Jessica has been designing forms for years and seems (based on my observations) to have a fair handle on web standards/accessibility and form coding without tools. I guess that rather than beginner advice she was after a way to code them using tools in a standards compliant way, but I will leave this to her to confirm :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2008 10:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software You would be better off to look at these tutorials on Accessible html/xhtml forms at: http://www.webstandards.org/learn/tutorials/accessible-forms/ I know you asked about WYSIWYG tools for this but if your looking for experience in forms then your much better off starting by learning how to them without a WYSIWYG tool. These tutorials on the Web Standards Project web site (after you look at the forms tutorial on http://www.w3schools.com/) will give you a grounding for judging other tools. Have fun -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] PHP includes
If I am including a menu using the PHP include command but the actuual menu is an html list does the included file need to have its code including the css style sheet or will it use the style sheet of the page it is included to. Also is their a preference in web standards for using PHP includes or something like SSI? -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PHP includes
You don't need to add any styles to the include file. Keep in mind the php does its stuff long before any css rules get applied which happens only after the dom is loaded into the user's browser. I cannot speak for SSI as I've never used it once. Always did asp/php includes. Joseph R. B. Taylor /Designer / Developer/ -- Sites by Joe, LLC /Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 Fax: (866) 301-8045 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Horowitz wrote: If I am including a menu using the PHP include command but the actuual menu is an html list does the included file need to have its code including the css style sheet or will it use the style sheet of the page it is included to. Also is their a preference in web standards for using PHP includes or something like SSI? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Joseph Taylor n:Taylor;Joseph org:Sites by Joe, LLC adr:;;408 Route 47 South;Cape May Court House;NJ;08210;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Designer / Developer tel;work:609-335-3076 tel;fax:866-301-8045 tel;cell:609-335-3076 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://sitesbyjoe.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] PHP includes
Quoting Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If I am including a menu using the PHP include command but the actuual menu is an html list does the included file need to have its code including the css style sheet or will it use the style sheet of the page it is included to. Any text that's in the PHP include file that is not PHP code is passed directly to the browser as part of the HTML code. Therefore it does not need it's own CSS style sheet. Ken *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PHP includes
You can basically think of a PHP include as basically just copying everything from the included file into the file it is being included in. Ken Robinson wrote: Quoting Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If I am including a menu using the PHP include command but the actuual menu is an html list does the included file need to have its code including the css style sheet or will it use the style sheet of the page it is included to. Any text that's in the PHP include file that is not PHP code is passed directly to the browser as part of the HTML code. Therefore it does not need it's own CSS style sheet. Ken *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PHP includes
Also is their a preference in web standards for using PHP includes or something like SSI? SSI stands for server side include which is essentially what a PHP include is. The only difference is the syntax used to call the include. -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
CLOSED Re: [WSG] PHP includes
Hi This discussion is off topic for the WSG list. If you would like to respond to Michael, please do so off list. The list guidelines are available at the footer of each list email. Thanks James -- cc:core On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:34:22 am Michael Horowitz wrote: If I am including a menu using the PHP include command but the actuual menu is an html list does the included file need to have its code including the css style sheet or will it use the style sheet of the page it is included to. Also is their a preference in web standards for using PHP includes or something like SSI? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] making a menu bar hug the right
Sorry for the flurry of questions but I've traditionally done my sites with tables and am doing my first completely css site now http://terrorfreeamerica.us/ Just setting up the menu on the left and I'm wondering how to get my menu buttons to hug the left hand side of menu div. Currently its hugging the right. I thought setting the width to 98% would keep it virtually the same size of the entire div. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] making a menu bar hug the right
On Feb 5, 2008, at 8:51 PM, Michael Horowitz wrote:
Sorry for the flurry of questions but I've traditionally done my
sites with tables and am doing my first completely css site now
http://terrorfreeamerica.us/
Just setting up the menu on the left and I'm wondering how to get
my menu buttons to hug the left hand side of menu div. Currently
its hugging the right. I thought setting the width to 98% would
keep it virtually the same size of the entire div.
did you try:
#menu {text-align:left;} ?
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[WSG] display differences firefox ie 7.0
I've noticed that my site is centered it ie 7.0 but left justified in firefox http://terrorfreeamerica.us/. What are the issues and workarounds to keep them in sync. In this case I would like it centered both ways but I would love to know how to do it either way. Thanks -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] making a menu bar hug the right
Michael Horowitz wrote:
http://terrorfreeamerica.us/
Just setting up the menu on the left and I'm wondering how to get my
menu buttons to hug the left hand side of menu div.
ul {
margin: 0; -- :: add ::
padding: 0; - :: add ::
list-style: none;
}
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Re: [WSG] making a menu bar hug the right
Good Evening Michael;
To your ul rule add no padding and no margin, ie
ul {
list-style: none;
padding: 0 auto;
margin: 0 auto;
}
That should help it out.
HTH
Regards
~Veine
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On 5 Feb 2008 at 20:51, Michael Horowitz wrote:
Sorry for the flurry of questions but I've traditionally done my sites
with tables and am doing my first completely css site now
http://terrorfreeamerica.us/
Just setting up the menu on the left and I'm wondering how to get my
menu buttons to hug the left hand side of menu div. Currently its
hugging the right. I thought setting the width to 98% would keep it
virtually the same size of the entire div.
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Re: [WSG] display differences firefox ie 7.0
#wrapper {
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 0;
text-align: left;
width: 950px;
}
Cheers
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Re: [WSG] display differences firefox ie 7.0
In wrapper, change the margin to be: margin: 0 auto; To center block-level elements, you set margin-left: auto and margin-right: auto (margin: 0 auto is a shortcut for that). In IE, at least IE6, it wrongfully would let you use text-align: center to position block level elements. Not sure about IE7. FF only lets you use the margin method. Michael Horowitz wrote: I've noticed that my site is centered it ie 7.0 but left justified in firefox http://terrorfreeamerica.us/. What are the issues and workarounds to keep them in sync. In this case I would like it centered both ways but I would love to know how to do it either way. Thanks -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] display differences firefox ie 7.0
Hello again Michael;
Same story different instance, in this case the wrapper needs to have them, ie.
#wrapper {
text-align: left;
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 0 auto;
width: 950px;
}
HTH
~Veine
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On 5 Feb 2008 at 21:10, Michael Horowitz wrote:
I've noticed that my site is centered it ie 7.0 but left justified in
firefox http://terrorfreeamerica.us/.
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Re: [WSG] display differences firefox ie 7.0
Try
#wrapper {
margin: 0px auto;
}
On Feb 6, 2008 1:10 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I've noticed that my site is centered it ie 7.0 but left justified in
firefox http://terrorfreeamerica.us/. What are the issues and
workarounds to keep them in sync. In this case I would like it centered
both ways but I would love to know how to do it either way.
Thanks
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[WSG] Styling forms
I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling forms
good question!! I personally used to use lists then i realised that paragraphs actually use these code (both html and css) and is easier to stylise! I wrote some of my thoughts hear a week or so ago! http://germworks.net/blog/2008/01/23/lists-p-whats-best-for-forms/ On Feb 6, 2008 12:38 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling forms
Forms should be marked up as you would anything else; If you are placing a paragraph in the form you should use a p. If you are placing a list inside the form you should use a ul/ol, if you are placing headings inside the form you should use h1-h6 etc. etc. The inputs should be arranged using div's instead of tables of course, unless you are presenting tabular data inside the form. Simple hey! On 2/6/08, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling forms
It kind of depends on the form itself. Definition lists and unordered lists also are used a lot. Usually, I would say unordered or definition lists are the most appropriate. If the questions were numbered, I could see using ordered lists. Paragraphs are kind of the lazy way. You can also use field sets, which are really appropriate for groups of related items. Michael Horowitz wrote: I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Styling forms
There may be specific cases where it would be right to mark up a form as a list, although I can't think of one. As a general rule it would be wrong. The argument against marking up a form as a list is that a form is not a list. A form is one or more groups of form controls, and the fieldset element is the correct means by which form controls should be grouped. Within a fieldset, paragraph elements should be used for individual form controls. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz Sent: 06 February 2008 03:38 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Styling forms I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Styling forms
Hi Germ17,I have seen your example presented in GERMWORKS.NETFYI, your approach is perfect to my knowledge, but the INPUT element should not wrapped by any LABEL element. It's not compliant/accessible...I request you to modify this example according to standards, if you believe the same. Thanks, Srikumar McAfee Inc | Project Lead | Webstandard Guy Mobile: +91 98800 31872 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:52:58 +0900 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms good question!! I personally used to use lists then i realised that paragraphs actually use these code (both html and css) and is easier to stylise! I wrote some of my thoughts hear a week or so ago! http://germworks.net/blog/2008/01/23/lists-p-whats-best-for-forms/ On Feb 6, 2008 12:38 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- JP2 Designs http://www.jp2designs.com http://www.germworks.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling forms
Have a look at this article on A List Apart: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/prettyaccessibleforms If you haven't been too that site before then have a snoop around. They got lots of really good articles. - Original Message - From: Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms It kind of depends on the form itself. Definition lists and unordered lists also are used a lot. Usually, I would say unordered or definition lists are the most appropriate. If the questions were numbered, I could see using ordered lists. Paragraphs are kind of the lazy way. You can also use field sets, which are really appropriate for groups of related items. Michael Horowitz wrote: I've been looking at styling forms and I'm seeing some people mark them up as ordered lists and other using paragraphs. What are the arguments for the different markup types. -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Styling forms
When the LABEL element wraps around INPUT you do not need the FOR attribute.The hierarchy provides the connection between them. However, when the LABEL does not wrap around the INPUT, the FOR attribute is required for useragent to know the elements are related. - Original Message - From: John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling forms Hi Germ17,I have seen your example presented in GERMWORKS.NETFYI, your approach is perfect to my knowledge, but the INPUT element should not wrapped by any LABEL element. It's not compliant/accessible...I request you to modify this example according to standards, if you believe the same. You're wrong there. It's perfectly valid HTML and I don't believe it is any less accessible as long as the 'for' attribute is specified. -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
