Re: [WSG] hello
So web2.0 is the mixture of scripts, tools.. etc.. am i rite? -- Regards. Gitanjali, Web Designer. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's art, Kat, design is different. And design is a significant part of the web. On Feb 12 2008, at 22:52, Katrina wrote: kevin mcmonagle wrote: yes its a buzzword mostly but from a design standpoint its also a genre. That's an interesting thought. Is Web 2.0 larger than the web itself? Has it become an art movement/period, in the same way as Modernism, Post-Modernism, Humanism, Impressionism, etc? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] hello - [OT]
Please can this be closed? It's far off any standards related topic. Possibly the only thing I can see as a relevant part of the 'Web 2.0 movement' is the abstraction of the presentational information from data on a page, which isn't being discussed here. If posting an off-topic message, please at least mark it as such so the rest of us can hit the delete button without checking it first for relevant information! Kind regards, John Hancock Identity From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Ortenzi Sent: Friday, 15 February 2008 6:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] hello That's art, Kat, design is different. And design is a significant part of the web. On Feb 12 2008, at 22:52, Katrina wrote: kevin mcmonagle wrote: yes its a buzzword mostly but from a design standpoint its also a genre. That's an interesting thought. Is Web 2.0 larger than the web itself? Has it become an art movement/period, in the same way as Modernism, Post-Modernism, Humanism, Impressionism, etc? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello
On 15 Feb 2008, at 08:11, Gitanjali wrote: So web2.0 is the mixture of scripts, tools.. etc.. It is a vague and poorly defined buzzword that is of no use in a technical discussion. In a non-technical discussion, it means pretty much whatever you want it to mean. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello
As I understand it, Web 2.0 is about the web as a platform, as a medium for collaboration and collective wisdom, about user-generated content, about databases (and what you do with them), about processes as opposed to products, about never-ending design and development cycles, about technologies like XML, RSS, and AJAX. For more details, go to the source, Tim O'Reilly's elaboration on the conversation that spawned the term Web 2.0: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-20.html (or if that URL's too long: http://tinyurl.com/743r5 ) Cheers, Larry At 2/15/2008 12:11 AM Friday, you wrote: So web2.0 is the mixture of scripts, tools.. etc.. am i rite? -- Regards. Gitanjali, Web Designer. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's art, Kat, design is different. And design is a significant part of the web. On Feb 12 2008, at 22:52, Katrina wrote: kevin mcmonagle wrote: yes its a buzzword mostly but from a design standpoint its also a genre. That's an interesting thought. Is Web 2.0 larger than the web itself? Has it become an art movement/period, in the same way as Modernism, Post-Modernism, Humanism, Impressionism, etc? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello - [OT]
With no offense intended to the list moderators, I feel the usefulness of this mailing list is diminishing due to an increase in irrelevant and lazy postings. The majority of people on this list are genuine web developers, who care for the future of the Web and the place Web Standards has in it. But there seems to be a small number of people who think they can simply post their problems to this list without consulting any other reference. Basic CSS problems, PHP syntax and even spam help are just a sample of some of these questions that can, and should be either found quickly by a number of popular resources or even a quick search in Google. Instead, they lazily exploit the goodwill of many in this list who are kind enough to visit their site and fix their problems. With the number of these increasing there is no wonder why people are leaving this list (and publicly doing so). Out on a limb here - does anybody else feel the same? If so, do you have a suggestion as to how we can better the quality of the list? Matt On 2/15/08, John Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please can this be closed? It's far off any standards related topic. Possibly the only thing I can see as a relevant part of the 'Web 2.0movement' is the abstraction of the presentational information from data on a page, which isn't being discussed here. If posting an off-topic message, please at least mark it as such so the rest of us can hit the delete button without checking it first for relevant information! Kind regards, John Hancock *Identity* *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joe Ortenzi *Sent:* Friday, 15 February 2008 6:32 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] hello That's art, Kat, design is different. And design is a significant part of the web. On Feb 12 2008, at 22:52, Katrina wrote: kevin mcmonagle wrote: yes its a buzzword mostly but from a design standpoint its also a genre. That's an interesting thought. Is Web 2.0 larger than the web itself? Has it become an art movement/period, in the same way as Modernism, Post-Modernism, Humanism, Impressionism, etc? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello - [OT]
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Matt Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out on a limb here - does anybody else feel the same? I really feel that you could have answered that question elsewhere, or even with a quick search on Google, instead of lazily exploiting the goodwill of this list... -- - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello - [OT] - better the quality of the list
On Feb 15, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Matt Fellows wrote: With no offense intended to the list moderators, I feel the usefulness of this mailing list is diminishing due to an increase in irrelevant and lazy postings. ... Out on a limb here - does anybody else feel the same? If so, do you have a suggestion as to how we can better the quality of the list? Matt On 2/15/08, John Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please can this be closed? It's far off any standards related topic. Yes, please. The discussions of standards based solutions to various css- nd js- related problems are incredibly useful, and esoteric debates about the semantic value of various html tags are fascinating, but there does seem to be a growing tendency to submit general web technical questions that really have no place here. On occasion I have replied to PHP questions off list, usually referring to other available resources - perhaps it would be better to make that reply on the list, and then have the moderators immediately close the topic? As for Web 2.0, browsing the results of a Google search could surely tell more than anyone could possibly want to know on the subject... Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
Hi, Can anyone tell me what they think the best practice is for have a web page with link to a Word document and also a PDF? Some of my pages have multiple subjects with data in both Word and PDF. So a typical list might be: Title (PDF) Also available in Word. Title (PDF) Also available in Word. In the sample list above Title links to the PDF document and Word links to the Word document. Each link will have a title attribute. Is there a better or more common way to offer multiple formats for a document? Thanks in advance, Kevin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1278 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 10:28 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] I found this interesting . . . [OT]
I hope you do too : http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=288 Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] ie problem
Hi, Im frustrated with a margin difference in ie6. Im modifying a zen cart install and didnt create the style sheets and dont have much control over the html. The problem is the two links (log in and home) at the top right of the page header. Ive added The borders just so you can see the boxes. http://cart66.macdesign.eu/ heres the rules: #navMainWrapper{margin-top:15px; background-image: url(../../../../images/header.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat; background-position:0 -21px; _background-position:0 0; border:0px solid pink; height:65px; padding-top:0; margin-top:0; padding-bottom:0; } #navMain ul li a { margin:43px 35px 0 0; border:1px solid black; float:right; display:block; } /*i think the problem is related to this rule*/ #navMain { border:1px solid pink; display:block; overflow:visible; margin-bottom:0; height:1%; } I've been trying to figure this out for a long time and need help. thanks kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] ie problem
Looks like the double margin bug. Try changing this... #navMain ul li a { margin:43px 35px 0 0; border:1px solid black; float:right; display:block; } to this #navMain ul li a { margin:43px 35px 0 0; border:1px solid black; float:right; display:inline; } Hope that helps. On 15/02/2008, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Im frustrated with a margin difference in ie6. Im modifying a zen cart install and didnt create the style sheets and dont have much control over the html. The problem is the two links (log in and home) at the top right of the page header. Ive added The borders just so you can see the boxes. http://cart66.macdesign.eu/ heres the rules: #navMainWrapper{margin-top:15px; background-image: url(../../../../images/header.jpg); background-repeat:no-repeat; background-position:0 -21px; _background-position:0 0; border:0px solid pink; height:65px; padding-top:0; margin-top:0; padding-bottom:0; } #navMain ul li a { margin:43px 35px 0 0; border:1px solid black; float:right; display:block; } /*i think the problem is related to this rule*/ #navMain { border:1px solid pink; display:block; overflow:visible; margin-bottom:0; height:1%; } I've been trying to figure this out for a long time and need help. thanks kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello - [OT] - better the quality of the list
I totally agree with you. This is the very first time that I post here, I'll try to be more active and participate with quality replies. Greetings from Mexico. Gregorio Espadas gespadas [at] gmail [dot] com On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The discussions of standards based solutions to various css- nd js-related problems are incredibly useful, and esoteric debates about the semantic value of various html tags are fascinating, but there does seem to be a growing tendency to submit general web technical questions that really have no place here. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED
Please do not reply to this thread Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello - [OT]- ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED
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Re: [WSG] hello
I've been vaguely following this discussion and thought I would step in here. Web 2.0 IS a buzzword that means to do nothing more than to imply the next step of the web as a communications medium. You could replace the term with new and improved. It has been coined to describe the phenomina of web applications such as Myspace, Facebook, Flikr, Wikipedia; any web application that enables the democratization and mass interaction of web-based information regardless of its background programming language. World of Warcraft and now the XBox 360 could be lumped in there too. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Larry Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, Web 2.0 is about the web as a platform, as a medium for collaboration and collective wisdom, about user-generated content, about databases (and what you do with them), about processes as opposed to products, about never-ending design and development cycles, about technologies like XML, RSS, and AJAX. For more details, go to the source, Tim O'Reilly's elaboration on the conversation that spawned the term Web 2.0: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-20.html (or if that URL's too long: http://tinyurl.com/743r5 ) Cheers, Larry At 2/15/2008 12:11 AM Friday, you wrote: So web2.0 is the mixture of scripts, tools.. etc.. am i rite? -- Regards. Gitanjali, Web Designer. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's art, Kat, design is different. And design is a significant part of the web. On Feb 12 2008, at 22:52, Katrina wrote: kevin mcmonagle wrote: yes its a buzzword mostly but from a design standpoint its also a genre. That's an interesting thought. Is Web 2.0 larger than the web itself? Has it become an art movement/period, in the same way as Modernism, Post-Modernism, Humanism, Impressionism, etc? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- -pd- | www.fractal.ca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED - AGAIN!!!
This thread has been closed. Twice. No more Thanks Russ I've been vaguely following this discussion and thought I would step in here. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG]
I've just redesigned and launched a not-for-profit site (as a community gesture for free) and I've realised that for some reason its crashing in Opera 9.24 on Windows XP. To get Opera to crash simply click links on the site (for example horizontal navbar, side image links etc) and within 8 or so clicks the browser just crashes. http://hunterislandpress.org.au/ As I've never had this issue before I don't really know where to start looking at this point. Any suggestions? Has anyone tracked down this one before? I could really use your help as this, as I mentioned, is free work to support the local arts community. There are still a number of things I have to achieve yet on the site but any suggestions would be welcome as well... Steven Clark _ What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D30288_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07_m=EXT *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] unexplained crashing in Opera 9
[my apologies for sending this email without a title... my second try] I've just redesigned and launched a not-for-profit site (as a community gesture for free) and I've realised that for some reason its crashing in Opera 9.24 on Windows XP. To get Opera to crash simply click links on the site (for example horizontal navbar, side image links etc) and within 8 or so clicks the browser just crashes. http://hunterislandpress.org.au/ As I've never had this issue before I don't really know where to start looking at this point. Any suggestions? Has anyone tracked down this one before? I could really use your help as this, as I mentioned, is free work to support the local arts community.There are still a number of things I have to achieve yet on the site but any suggestions would be welcome as well... Steven Clark _ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=832referral=hotmailtaglineOct07URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] opera crashing problem fixed...
Hi I've found the issue that opera didn't like - I had moved a floated skip link from the bottom of the content into the footer and made it display block with a width. Moving it back to where it was originally fixed not only the opera crashing but it had also made Firefox get the layout wrong too... Sorry about that. If anyone has any other comments regarding the HIP redesign (mind you it is still getting QA etc so some improved accessibility / usability is still on the cards as time permits). http://hunterislandpress.org.au Steven Clark http://stevenclark.com.au _ Overpaid or Underpaid? Check our comprehensive Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent%2Emycareer%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%3Fs%5Fcid%3D595810_t=766724125_r=Hotmail_Email_Tagline_MyCareer_Oct07_m=EXT *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] hello
Thank's all.i've got very good info on web 2.0 thank u very much.. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Paul Dwyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been vaguely following this discussion and thought I would step in here. Web 2.0 IS a buzzword that means to do nothing more than to imply the next step of the web as a communications medium. You could replace the term with new and improved. It has been coined to describe the phenomina of web applications such as Myspace, Facebook, Flikr, Wikipedia; any web application that enables the democratization and mass interaction of web-based information regardless of its background programming language. World of Warcraft and now the XBox 360 could be lumped in there too. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Larry Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand it, Web 2.0 is about the web as a platform, as a medium for collaboration and collective wisdom, about user-generated content, about databases (and what you do with them), about processes as opposed to products, about never-ending design and development cycles, about technologies like XML, RSS, and AJAX. For more details, go to the source, Tim O'Reilly's elaboration on the conversation that spawned the term Web 2.0: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-20.html (or if that URL's too long: http://tinyurl.com/743r5 ) Cheers, Larry At 2/15/2008 12:11 AM Friday, you wrote: So web2.0 is the mixture of scripts, tools.. etc.. am i rite? -- Regards. Gitanjali, Web Designer. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's art, Kat, design is different. And design is a significant part of the web. On Feb 12 2008, at 22:52, Katrina wrote: kevin mcmonagle wrote: yes its a buzzword mostly but from a design standpoint its also a genre. That's an interesting thought. Is Web 2.0 larger than the web itself? Has it become an art movement/period, in the same way as Modernism, Post-Modernism, Humanism, Impressionism, etc? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- -pd- | www.fractal.ca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Regards. Gitanjali, Web Designer. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***