Re: [WSG] The correct way of placing a swf file into a XHTML webpage

2008-03-26 Thread Dory
Thank you-- It looks like we are going with the SWFObject 2.0 static method. The http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay article was also helpful in that it explained the process. Do you know if the alternative content can be picked up by a text reader? Thank you, Dory On Mon, Mar 24,

[WSG] Print stylesheet and long urls

2008-03-26 Thread Sarah Peeke
Hi all, I am putting together a print stylesheet for an online newsletter that contains quite a number of urls, some of which are very long. In order to make the printed version of the newsletter meaningful I have considered using: #content a:after { content: ( attr(href) ) ; } to show the

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

2008-03-26 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameThe ADDRESS element is intended to provide contact information for the author of the HTML document, not any address. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.6 -Thom - Original Message - From: Cole Kuryakin To:

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

2008-03-26 Thread Michael MD
Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameI think the address tag is specifically intended for the author contact for the page itself (and only used once on a page). for hCard markup see this page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hCard If you want tools that use microformats (such as

RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

2008-03-26 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Thanks to all for their input on this issue. The hCard link within microformats.org was very helpful. Two follow-on question though: 1. What does the v and h stand for in regards to vCard and hCard, and: 2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any functional use for formatting data

Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

2008-03-26 Thread Rob Crowther
Cole Kuryakin wrote: 2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any functional use for formatting data using microformats? For some practical examples of doing stuff with hCard: Online service to translate hCard into vCard (ie. put directly into your contacts application:

Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-26 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, No, I mean User Agent Quote from W3C: INS and DEL are used to markup sections of the document that have been inserted or deleted with respect to a different version of a document (e.g., in draft legislation where lawmakers need to view the changes). ... User agents should render inserted

Re: [WSG] Print stylesheet and long urls

2008-03-26 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Hi Sarah, On 26-Mar-08, at 12:22 PM, Sarah Peeke wrote: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/improvingprint/ However, this is only useful if JavaScript is enabled. In the article listed, if javascript is disabled, then the links are displayed inline. I don't think there is a more elegant

RE: [WSG] Print stylesheet and long urls

2008-03-26 Thread Kepler Gelotte
I am putting together a print stylesheet for an online newsletter that contains quite a number of urls, some of which are very long. Hi Sarah, You could translate your long URLs to shorter ones using some code on your server or TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/ Best regards, Kepler Gelotte

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest

2008-03-26 Thread Keeghan, Damian (AU - Melbourne)
Thanks for your email. I am currently out of the office on training and will return on Friday the 28th of March. Regards, Damian Keeghan p class=MsoNormalfont size=1 face=Verdanaspan style='font-size:8.0pt; font-family:Verdana'/font font size=1 face=Verdanaspan style='font-size:8.0pt;

Re: [WSG] premature to test/worry new site for IE8?

2008-03-26 Thread jody tate
IE8's default setting will be to render web pages in standards- compliant mode. You can opt out of standards compliance with a meta tag. It was originally announced as the reverse. They changed their mind once the mob headed toward the castle in Redmond with pitchforks. Like most of us, If

Re: [WSG] premature to test/worry new site for IE8?

2008-03-26 Thread tee
Hi Jody and others who responded to my post. I am very relief to know that I don't need to worry. tee On Mar 26, 2008, at 10:20 AM, jody tate wrote: IE8's default setting will be to render web pages in standards- compliant mode. You can opt out of standards compliance with a meta tag. It

Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists

2008-03-26 Thread Keryx Web
Thomas Thomassen skrev: Thanks. Got a link to where I can follow that incase there's response? http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-March/014252.html There have been two responses so far. One wishing to expand the suggestion and one that is simply positive. No word from

Re: [WSG] The correct way of placing a swf file into a XHTML webpage

2008-03-26 Thread Tate Johnson
On 26/03/2008, at 11:30 PM, Steve Green wrote: No it can't. Flash content that is embedded using techniques such as UFO and SWFObject is not visible to screen readers - they don't even know it's there. If the content is important, you need to provide an accessible alternative. If you're

Re: [WSG] ie7 and firefox

2008-03-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@R KULEKC─░ wrote: which browser is better to try web site. i rarely look my web site in ie. is firefox enough? No, you need to test in multiple browsers. Since even two standards compliant browsers may render the same page slightly differently, you certainly will need to test

RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name

2008-03-26 Thread Michael MD
2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any functional use for formatting data using microformats? I mean, if your format various content using microformat standards - as they currently exist - is this information then usable/parse-able on different devices? Or is the use of

[WSG] restricting width in the body tag

2008-03-26 Thread William Donovan
Hi all, I wanted to ask a question of better practice and current standards view. Is it better to have a header and footer stretch across the width of the browser window or be restricted to the width of the defined. left aligned content area. Leaving lots of vacant white space for people with

Re: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag

2008-03-26 Thread Chris Broadfoot
William Donovan wrote: Hi all, I wanted to ask a question of better practice and current standards view. Is it better to have a header and footer stretch across the width of the browser window or be restricted to the width of the defined. left aligned content area. Leaving lots of vacant

RE: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag

2008-03-26 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi William, It sounds like you're looking for something like a 'jello layout' (term not mine) You can find out more here: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/jello.html Basically a jello layout will expand and shrink with the browser window but only to a defined minimum / maximum.

RE: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag

2008-03-26 Thread Andrew Boyd
Hi William my preference is to view banner elements in a 100% wide chunk that blend (hopefully) for a seamless look. I acknowledge that this is not always possible (or desirable). As a 1680 pixel wide laptop user I have to agree that fixed width is an issue, especially for totally

Re: Re: [WSG] restricting width in the body tag

2008-03-26 Thread William Donovan
A design issue, possibly, However the end basis for decisions are standards and evidence, and was wondering if there was any out there. If no real evidence is available, the it is up to those with the strongest opinion. Good note on assessing environments and user requirements, however that

RE: [WSG] floats and ie7

2008-03-26 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:49 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] floats and ie7 i thought i had fixed this problem. i guess i didn't. http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/ in ff, opera, safari 3.1 and

RE: [WSG] floats and ie7

2008-03-26 Thread Kepler Gelotte
i thought i had fixed this problem. i guess i didn't. Hi Dwain, Try adding float: left to your nav definition: #nav { FLOAT: left; FONT-SIZE: 90%; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 8.5em; COLOR: #039; TEXT-ALIGN: left } Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156

[WSG] Why is u deprecated?

2008-03-26 Thread Kepler Gelotte
Hi, I am just curious if anyone can explain why the u tag has been deprecated while b and i are still allowed. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904

Re: [WSG] floats and ie7

2008-03-26 Thread dwain
thanks kepler for the reply. i just figured it out. i added a width of 30% to the nav rule and ie7 played right. sometimes things just go over my head and i have to look at the outlined divs in firefox to figure things like this out. i was seeing a blue line for a dive that went all the way

Re: [WSG] floats and ie7

2008-03-26 Thread dwain
thanks thierry for your response. there was no width set on the nav div and that was the culprit. after my bout with the nn4 style sheet i guess i was brain dead. let me know when you will be in alabama and we'll roll out the red carpet southern style when you get here. dwain On 3/26/08,

Re: [WSG] Why is u deprecated?

2008-03-26 Thread John Hancock
Hi Kepler, In many ways, b has been deprecated in favour of strong and i in favour of em (emphasis). u (underline) has been deprecated because it shouldn't be part of structural markup, but instead part of styling, so it would be replaced by span class=underline/span or similar. The reason

Re: [WSG] Why is u deprecated?

2008-03-26 Thread Michael Horowitz
Here I found they are not technically depreciated but they have recommended replacements |b| Although technically not deprecated, W3C recommends the |strong |element be used instead. |i| Although technically not deprecated, W3C recommends the |em |element be used instead.

RE: [WSG] Why is u deprecated?

2008-03-26 Thread Kepler Gelotte
Thanks for the explanation John. I think the standards group still should have deprecated b and i though. Seems a pretty weak argument to say that strong and em will be misused because b and i already are. Bold and italics can be controlled through CSS as well, leaving HTML as clean and semantic

[WSG] why do some divs shrink wrap and others don't [OT?]

2008-03-26 Thread dwain
after my experience tonight i was wondering why some divs will shrink wrap their contents while others don't. any takers? dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky

RE: [WSG] floats and ie7

2008-03-26 Thread Thierry Koblentz
thanks thierry for your response. there was no width set on the nav div and that was the culprit. after my bout with the nn4 style sheet i guess i was brain dead. let me know when you will be in alabama Hi Dwain, It does not need a width, it needs hasLayout [1]. If it works with a

Re: [WSG] Why is u deprecated?

2008-03-26 Thread Mahendran Venkatesan
The presentational elements such as b, i, s and u are deprecated as because it can be achieved by CSS. For example, u can be achieved by *text-decoration: underline*;. I think, em and strong have been left for *screen readers* to understand the emphasize part. Thanks! Venkatesan M On Thu, Mar

[WSG] Validating Flash

2008-03-26 Thread Tim MacKay
Hi List, My question is about embedding Flash on html pages (just certain elements - not talking about full flash sites). I always get errors from HTML Tidy and the validator about the object and embed tags, which wrecks my validated markup. What is the standards-compliant way to embed Flash

RE: [WSG] Why is u deprecated?

2008-03-26 Thread Tim MacKay
I agree with the reasoning but in practice I think its actually better to use b and i (maybe not so much u) - sometimes you just want something bold and its much less markup to wrap b and i instead of span class=bold [which in itself creates the conumdrum of separating markup from presentation: