[WSG] An efficient CSS architecture

2008-04-24 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
Hi all,

I'm currently in the lucky position to be able to design a CSS
architecture from scratch. I was thinking of creating a layered approach
where I have a CSS layer for

- the CSS reset
- the site layout (structural parts, ie. columns, rows, header, footer)
- the site's elements (boxes which can be reused across pages; a box
might contain images, heading, paragraphs)
- the site's skin (colours, sprites etc.)

I'd like to know if you have been through this thought process and if
you have proven concepts that you would like to share.

(You can email me offline too, but we've got a long weekend here so I'll
contact you Monday.)

Thank you!

Cheers,
 
Jens 

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Re: [WSG] An efficient CSS architecture

2008-04-24 Thread Karl Lurman
Jens,

I recommend googling CSS Frameworks.

Also, I recommend looking at a site I implemented a CSS framework of
my own. It sounds very very much like your approach.

http://www.athletics.com.au

It works on the concept of layers that can be used to progressively
enhance the visual appearance of a given HTML document set. Its
actually the base css framework for a content management solution
developed by a company called Datalink here in Melbourne, my previous
job. Being part of a CMS, it has a few additional layers to further
customise the site with respect to customer requirement. Similarly, I
used namespacing to separate styles that are part of the base
framework with styles that are customer specific.

The beauty of the framework is that it is consistent and easy to
learn. The idea being that the framework remained unchanged, and only
theme and customer specifc stylesheets affected the cascade. Another
added benefit was in knowing which sheet a specific style resides in.
This was extremely helpful before the likes of Firebug.

The only real draw back of this approach is the initial page load.
There is an overhead in downloading so many different stylesheets. The
best thing to do in this case is to compile your stylesheets into a
single build. This is the approach we are applying at my current job
here at SitePoint.

Good luck with your own framework! :)

Karl

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

  I'm currently in the lucky position to be able to design a CSS
  architecture from scratch. I was thinking of creating a layered approach
  where I have a CSS layer for

  - the CSS reset
  - the site layout (structural parts, ie. columns, rows, header, footer)
  - the site's elements (boxes which can be reused across pages; a box
  might contain images, heading, paragraphs)
  - the site's skin (colours, sprites etc.)

  I'd like to know if you have been through this thought process and if
  you have proven concepts that you would like to share.

  (You can email me offline too, but we've got a long weekend here so I'll
  contact you Monday.)

  Thank you!

  Cheers,

  Jens

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RE: [WSG] An efficient CSS architecture

2008-04-24 Thread Ted Drake
The Yahoo YUI CSS framework is a big help. http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/
 The Reset, base, and fonts give you a good foundation. The grids make it
super easy to build layouts. Combine all four into a single css file:
http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.1/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css

And you've got some good performance. The above link means Yahoo handles the
distributed caching for you.

This means you only have to concentrate on what makes your sites unique.
You'll be surprised how lean and efficient your final css markup is when you
remove the foundation cruft.

Ted


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Jens,

I recommend googling CSS Frameworks.

Also, I recommend looking at a site I implemented a CSS framework of
my own. It sounds very very much like your approach.

http://www.athletics.com.au

It works on the concept of layers that can be used to progressively
enhance the visual appearance of a given HTML document set. Its
actually the base css framework for a content management solution
developed by a company called Datalink here in Melbourne, my previous
job. Being part of a CMS, it has a few additional layers to further
customise the site with respect to customer requirement. Similarly, I
used namespacing to separate styles that are part of the base
framework with styles that are customer specific.

The beauty of the framework is that it is consistent and easy to
learn. The idea being that the framework remained unchanged, and only
theme and customer specifc stylesheets affected the cascade. Another
added benefit was in knowing which sheet a specific style resides in.
This was extremely helpful before the likes of Firebug.

The only real draw back of this approach is the initial page load.
There is an overhead in downloading so many different stylesheets. The
best thing to do in this case is to compile your stylesheets into a
single build. This is the approach we are applying at my current job
here at SitePoint.

Good luck with your own framework! :)

Karl

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Jens-Uwe Korff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

  I'm currently in the lucky position to be able to design a CSS
  architecture from scratch. I was thinking of creating a layered approach
  where I have a CSS layer for

  - the CSS reset
  - the site layout (structural parts, ie. columns, rows, header, footer)
  - the site's elements (boxes which can be reused across pages; a box
  might contain images, heading, paragraphs)
  - the site's skin (colours, sprites etc.)

  I'd like to know if you have been through this thought process and if
  you have proven concepts that you would like to share.

  (You can email me offline too, but we've got a long weekend here so I'll
  contact you Monday.)

  Thank you!

  Cheers,

  Jens

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[WSG] Semantic menu implementation suggestions?

2008-04-24 Thread Richard Johnson
Hi Everyone!

I need to build this menu in XHTML 1.0 Strict, See attached... Can anyone
suggest a good way to implement this? I have built the search which was
quite easy.

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R: [WSG] Semantic menu implementation suggestions?

2008-04-24 Thread Diego La Monica
Hi Richard,

  you can try to make it with something like this:

 

ul id=”black-menu”

li id=”home”Back home/li

li id=”rss”RSS/li

li id=”sitemap”Site map/li

li id=”search-box”

form

   label for=”q”Search:/label

   input type=”text” name=”q” id=”q” /

   input type=”image” alt=”do Search”
src=”…” /

/form

/li

/ul

 

And apply the style by CSS. How? Each black-menu will have a black
background, each li item will have the circular black image with each symbol
and the input[type=image] will have the Submit image.

 

Hoping the suggestions will be useful to you.

 

Best regards!

 

Diego La Monica

Web 2.0 - Standards - Accessibilità

mobile: +39 3337235382 - skype: diego.la.monica

web: http://diegolamonica.info - http://jastegg.it

 

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Hi Everyone!

I need to build this menu in XHTML 1.0 Strict, See attached... Can anyone
suggest a good way to implement this? I have built the search which was
quite easy. 

Cheers,
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RE: Re[2]: [WSG] accessible client side form validation

2008-04-24 Thread michael.brockington
If I may be permitted to be pedantic for a moment, I believe that
JavaScript may be used to provide Assistance with Validation (So you
are both correct...)

Security can only ever be _reliably_ provided on the server side, but
validation of user input is perfectly acceptable as client side code,
with or without server side follow up, as long as the server can
tolerate the effects of that validation not being carried out.

As with all religious wars, the key to peace is understanding of the
actual messages, not just blind repetition of slogans.

Regards,
Mike


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Importance: High

Hmm, why the Republic of JS kept saying it's form validation?

tee
On Apr 23, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Alexey Novikov wrote:
 Hello, friends.

 There is no client side form *validation*.
 There is client side form *assistance*.

 Validation should be performed on server.




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R: [WSG] Semantic menu implementation suggestions?

2008-04-24 Thread Diego La Monica
Furthermore, to make your life really easy now, you have to do only a
cutpaste of the code shown on the following page:
http://diegolamonica.info/test/WSG/menu/menu.htm

 

- Full xhtml compliat, 

- works with: firefox 2.0, Safari for Windows, Internet Explorer 7 and
Opera.

 

Maybe it will be a good starting point.

 

Regards.

Diego La Monica

Web 2.0 - Standards - Accessibilità

mobile: +39 3337235382 - skype: diego.la.monica

web: http://diegolamonica.info - http://jastegg.it

 

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Hi Richard,

  you can try to make it with something like this:

 

ul id=”black-menu”

li id=”home”Back home/li

li id=”rss”RSS/li

li id=”sitemap”Site map/li

li id=”search-box”

form

   label for=”q”Search:/label

   input type=”text” name=”q” id=”q” /

   input type=”image” alt=”do Search”
src=”…” /

/form

/li

/ul

 

And apply the style by CSS. How? Each black-menu will have a black
background, each li item will have the circular black image with each symbol
and the input[type=image] will have the Submit image.

 

Hoping the suggestions will be useful to you.

 

Best regards!

 

Diego La Monica

Web 2.0 - Standards - Accessibilità

mobile: +39 3337235382 - skype: diego.la.monica

web: http://diegolamonica.info - http://jastegg.it

 

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Hi Everyone!

I need to build this menu in XHTML 1.0 Strict, See attached... Can anyone
suggest a good way to implement this? I have built the search which was
quite easy. 

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: [WSG] animated scroll

2008-04-24 Thread dave
 
Hi , You might want to try this.

http://www.quidascript.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=59products_id=125
 I got this package it's cheap as chips and has hundreds of javascripts...

Regards Dave
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  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:50 AM
  Subject: [WSG] animated scroll



  Hello everyone. 

  I want to build some anchor to the top of the page using that kind of effect 
that the scroll is animated...I believe its javascriptdoes anyone have a 
tutorial or something like that that could help me?

  thanks a lot
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Re: [WSG] animated scroll

2008-04-24 Thread David Dorward


On 24 Apr 2008, at 12:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hi , You might want to try this.

http://www.quidascript.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=59products_id=125
 I got this package it's cheap as chips and has hundreds of  
javascripts...


Given the liberties they take with O'Riley's trademark ( http://www.quidascript.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=4products_id=13 
 ), the sheer pain of On the loading of a page, this script changes  
background colors quickly then returns to normal and the doesn't-work- 
in-outside-ieness of Have your visitors easily bookmark your site  
into their browser favorites ... I would avoid this. It might be  
cheap, but any reward for producing something of that quality would be  
too much.



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RE: [WSG] animated scroll

2008-04-24 Thread Ted Drake
Ah, where's your sense of adventure?
Certainly hundreds of javascripts for 1 pound means quality.

It reminds me of a night with two super-gigantic pizzas for $2.99.
They may not have been good, but I didn't forget about eating them for
months.


Ted


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On 24 Apr 2008, at 12:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi , You might want to try this.


http://www.quidascript.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=59product
s_id=125
  I got this package it's cheap as chips and has hundreds of  
 javascripts...

Given the liberties they take with O'Riley's trademark (
http://www.quidascript.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=4products
_id=13 
  ), the sheer pain of On the loading of a page, this script changes  
background colors quickly then returns to normal and the doesn't-work- 
in-outside-ieness of Have your visitors easily bookmark your site  
into their browser favorites ... I would avoid this. It might be  
cheap, but any reward for producing something of that quality would be  
too much.


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Re: [WSG] animated scroll

2008-04-24 Thread David Dorward


On 24 Apr 2008, at 13:36, Ted Drake wrote:


Ah, where's your sense of adventure?


Buried under a desire not to see people rewarded for lowering the  
quality of the WWW :)


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Re: R: [WSG] Semantic menu implementation suggestions?

2008-04-24 Thread Richard Johnson
Wow! Thanks so much Diego!

On 24/04/2008, Diego La Monica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Furthermore, to make your life really easy now, you have to do only a
 cutpaste of the code shown on the following page: 
 http://diegolamonica.info/test/WSG/menu/menu.htm



 - Full xhtml compliat,

 - works with: firefox 2.0, Safari for Windows, Internet Explorer 7 and
 Opera.



 Maybe it will be a good starting point.



 Regards.

 Diego La Monica

 Web 2.0 - Standards - Accessibilità

 mobile: +39 3337235382 - skype: diego.la.monica

 web: http://diegolamonica.info - http://jastegg.it


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 Hi Richard,

   you can try to make it with something like this:



 ul id=black-menu

 li id=homeBack home/li

 li id=rssRSS/li

 li id=sitemapSite map/li

 li id=search-box

 form

label for=qSearch:/label

input type=text name=q id=q /

input type=image alt=do Search
 src=… /

 /form

 /li

 /ul



 And apply the style by CSS. How? Each black-menu will have a black
 background, each li item will have the circular black image with each symbol
 and the input[type=image] will have the Submit image.



 Hoping the suggestions will be useful to you.



 Best regards!



 Diego La Monica

 Web 2.0 - Standards - Accessibilità

 mobile: +39 3337235382 - skype: diego.la.monica

 web: http://diegolamonica.info - http://jastegg.it


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 Hi Everyone!

 I need to build this menu in XHTML 1.0 Strict, See attached... Can anyone
 suggest a good way to implement this? I have built the search which was
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 Cheers,
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[WSG] Can you spare 5 minutes to do a study?

2008-04-24 Thread Jessica Enders
Formulate Information Design is conducting a follow-up to our 2007  
study on data table formatting (the results of which should be  
published in A List Apart shortly).


We need your help - the more participants we get the greater the  
chance we can draw conclusions from the study that designers and  
developers like you can use.


The study is anonymous and takes less than 5 minutes.

To do the study, visit http://surveys.formulate.com.au/dtfu/, or you  
can read more about the study here: http://formulate.com.au/research/ 
data-tables-follow-up/.


Please pass on to as many people as you like.

With thanks,


Jessica Enders
Director
Formulate Information Design

http://formulate.com.au

Phone: (02) 6116 8765
Fax: (02) 8456 5916
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