Re: R: [WSG] is display:none inheritance

2008-05-12 Thread Michael Persson
Trying to HACK your CSS for different browser can be a disaster for future browser versions so its is suggested to never hack the CSS and follow the standards. It will also make life easier for a front end developer... tee wrote: On May 11, 2008, at 5:15 PM, Darren Lovelock wrote: See

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Michael Persson
Dear Scott, I think helping your client to install a proper web browser would also eliminate other website problems also. IE5 have terrible CSS support and you will need to make table design again to make a website look ok in IE5... dont even go there.!!! using a IE5 is really ancient nad

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Korny Sietsma
Hmm - we're currently debating what to do about dynamic css on our project (Ruby on Rails based) There seem to be a few options: - No dynamic css at all - Simple templated stuff, where the code is basically css + inline ruby: #whatever { background-color : %= background_colour %; } - Something

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Matt Fellows
As much as I agree to what your are saying regarding IE5, it is still ignoring the fact that people are using it, albeit a small proportion. If your client absolutely _needs_ it, then you will have to code for it. I think this has already been mentioned but perhaps if you could get a hold of some

[WSG] Web Standards and Design Patterns in Web Applications

2008-05-12 Thread Anthony Green
Does anyone have any guides to developing standards based/accessible web applications like Basecamp ? For example a common pattern for website navigation is the tab list of links ul lia href ...Cats/li lia href ...Dogs/li lia href ...Mice/li /ul However web applications often copy the

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread Krystian - Sunlust
In a way it's like designing websites for disabled people, it's probably 0.01% of the visitors, but we should provide ways for them to move around the website and make it more accessible, so it 0.5% uses IE5 then we should provide a website that is at least working properly (I wouldn't be

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Mark Harris
Korny Sietsma wrote: I'd be interested in the thoughts of folks here. A simple template would have the advantage of (possibly) working well in css editors and tools; but there also seems to be some buzz around tools like Sass that take some more repetition out of the CSS. Is SASS a standard?

Re: [WSG] Web Standards and Design Patterns in Web Applications

2008-05-12 Thread Steven Workman
Hi Anthony, I've always found through usability testing, that people use the highest level of navigation to get back to the start of a task (generally the tabs). Using the first pattern plus a body ID and CSS to highlight the current tab (and remove the a:hover cursor) will give the same effect

Re: [WSG] Web Standards and Design Patterns in Web Applications

2008-05-12 Thread Schalk Neethling
Hi there Tony, There is some really useful articles at http://css.dzone.com/. You might especially find Presentation Layer Accessibility and AJAX and Screen Readers - Content Access Issues very useful. Regards, Schalk Steven Workman wrote: Hi Anthony, I've always found through usability

Re: [WSG] alt text and titles for linked images

2008-05-12 Thread Matijs
I would do it this way: ul class=bodyList lia href=# class=body1 title=your title hereBody1/a/li lia href=# class=body2 title=your title hereBody2/a/li lia href=# class=body3 title=your title hereBody3/a/li lia href=# class=body4 title=your title hereBody4/a/li lia href=#

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Adam Martin
this is exactly why we use serverside scripts along with a config file to define some base declarations such as colors. then we can change the color in one place only, using the below example #results .fn { font-size: 0.86em; color #739EA8; } #results .tel { font-size: 0.86em; color #33; }

[WSG] Printing CSS background

2008-05-12 Thread Léo Siqueira
Yes, i know, i know, just check the option at page setup from your browser to print background and images, but, what make when you client consumer does understand this simple step ? I have a new redesign from a website, all HTML strict and CSS validated, beautiful, but don't print the background

RE: [WSG] The Problem of adjacent links

2008-05-12 Thread Stuart Foulstone
This point originally concerned which character to use IF you use a character to separate links. It did NOT say that this was the preferred method. On Mon, May 12, 2008 2:18 am, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: Screen-reader users have said that the vertical bar is THEIR preferred character Really? Do

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Laert Jansen
Hey, thanks a lot. Here´s what I´m working on http://www.laertjansen.com/zecafreitas/ Would you mind to take a look? :) I have a problem. The flash is the black portion only and it should be at the top...I mean, there should not exist that white area.any ideia of what am I doing wrong?

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread James Jeffery
I had a quick peek but im having problems with this browser at college so i can't help until i get home Nice site btw. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, thanks a lot. Here´s what I´m working on http://www.laertjansen.com/zecafreitas/ Would you mind

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Laert Jansen
:) thanks On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 2:09 PM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a quick peek but im having problems with this browser at college so i can't help until i get home Nice site btw. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, thanks a

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Michael Persson
Hi Laert, I suggest you make it higher in order to fit 1024 768 screen in order to eliminate the gap... im not a flash expert but I have published many sites that are full size... im using this, might make a difference html, body { height: 100%; font-family:verdana; } michael

[WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Simon
Hi, Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 and does it provide any benefits? I've read up on what the differences are but I was under the belief IE won't support it without a particular hack. Is there a reason why not many sites adopt this Doctype and is there any point using right now if your site is 1.0

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread David Storey
On 12 May 2008, at 22:42, Simon wrote: Hi, Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 and does it provide any benefits? I've read up on what the differences are but I was under the belief IE won't support it without a particular hack. Is there a reason why not many sites adopt this Doctype and is there

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Nikita The Spider The Spider
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone use XHTML 1.1 Of the doctypes that my validator Nikita saw in one sample period, just slightly over 2% were XHTML 1.1. It's worth noting that most, if not all, were sent with the wrong media type.

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Ben Buchanan
Is there a reason why not many sites adopt this Doctype and is there any point using right now if your site is 1.0 Strict? Very very generally, I've found it's less critical which standard you use than whether your stuff validates in your chosen standard. Secondly, I see a lot of sites that

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Andrew McGrath
One big impediment to using XHTML 1.1 is that it must be sent with the application/xhtml+xml media type which makes IE6 choke. That implies that the server has to do content negotiation in order to send text/html with one doctype (HTML or XHTML 1.0) to IE users and application/xhtml+xml/XHTML

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Laert Jansen
I´ve already set the height to 100%. The flash file is 778 x 560 px I can´t find out why that white area is showing on the top. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Laert, I suggest you make it higher in order to fit 1024 768 screen in order to

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 12, 2008, at 9:58 PM, Laert Jansen wrote: I can´t find out why that white area is showing on the top Well, I'm pretty out of touch with Flash, but looking at your page source I was struck by: var so = new SWFObject(main.swf, main, 100%, 100%, 8, #ff); Could that #ff

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread XStandard
HTH wrote: ...server has to do content negotiation in order to send text/html with one doctype (HTML or XHTML 1.0) to IE users and application/xhtml+xml/XHTML 1.1 to everyone else. That means you're generating two copies of all of your content Assuming your are not writing static pages, you only

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread dwain
and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the w3c css validator. dwain *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm

Re: [WSG] Printing CSS background

2008-05-12 Thread Jason Ray
Hi Leo, If you create a print.css and link your pages to it, you should be able to control which elements are visible and which ones aren't in the print out. However, you would normally want a clean text-only, but well styled print option. This helps to create a nice paper publication while

Re: [WSG] Older Browsers

2008-05-12 Thread David Hucklesby
On Mon, 12 May 2008 10:04:44 +0300, Michael Persson wrote: Dear Scott, I think helping your client to install a proper web browser would also eliminate other website problems also. IE5 have terrible CSS support and you will need to make table design again to make a website look ok in

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 CSS3 - Is it worth using right now?

2008-05-12 Thread Dean Matthews
On May 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM, dwain wrote: and if you are wanting valid css then css3 will throw up errors in the w3c css validator. Not if you use the CSS level 3 validator ;) *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Printing CSS background

2008-05-12 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Léo Siqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone have a suggestion to make CSS background printable ? You could visit every single one of your site users and explain to them how to turn on background printing on their printer settings. And buy them some printer