[WSG] User testing results to reinforce 'no popup' recommendation

2008-06-18 Thread Brad Pollard
A dear client is holding us over a barrel. Does anyone have some user test data/video (that they are willing to share) that shows that forcing a popup window for external links is a bad idea? ~ brad pollard 02 9699 7145 Andrew Cunningham wrote: Use amp; nbsp; lt; and gt; All other

RE: [WSG] User testing results to reinforce 'no popup' recommendation [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-06-18 Thread Ward, Nathan
Hi Brad, I don't have any test data that shows this, however, below are a two articles from Digital Web Magazine that mention the topic. I'm also fairly sure that AGIMO has some research on the topic but I couldn't find it this afternoon. You could also check out the Vision Australia website

[WSG] Re: Multiple Language Domains

2008-06-18 Thread Paul McCann
Hi Jay, Sorry I meant that our system is currently putting the xml statement before the doctype and so causing the quirks mode problem, and we cant figure out why as it is not doing it on all pages. We were aware of this problem and its on my fix list in fact i am working on it now :) Would

Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding

2008-06-18 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 17 Jun 2008, at 23:46, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Beyond the inbuilt entities I tend to just use the characters directly in the markup and specify UTF-8 encoding. Has been working reasonably well in all modern browsers. On 18 Jun 2008, at 00:19, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Use amp; nbsp;

RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding

2008-06-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
Rick Lecoat So let me see if I have this right: as long as my page declares an encoding (I use UTF-8) I don't need to encode the entities, I can just type them straight into the markup. Is that correct? Make sure that your whole environment is UTF-8 (your code editor, any database

[WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Paul Collins
Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread sundar
It will replace, probably portable firefox2 an option to use both. Sundar On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Jason Grant
It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so crucial for us of course. Regards, Jason

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Svip
It will replace it, unless you backup your Firefox 2 client and move it somewhere where Firefox 3 cannot get to it. /Svip 2008/6/18 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Jonathan D'mello
it will replace your version of Firefox. But you can now get the official release of FF3! Jonathan On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Léo Siqueira
Paul, When you start the installation you need to make the Custom setup and change the install directory, but you will need to create a new shortcut for the old version of FF. Regards, Léo 2008/6/18 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2,

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3

2008-06-18 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/06/18 13:17 (GMT+0100) Paul Collins apparently typed: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! It doesn't have to. There are instructions on the mozilla.org developer pages for running as many concurrent versions of Gecko products as

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Joseph Ortenzi
if you have a mac you can rename it firefox3 so you can run it side by side, but your extensions might get confused... On Jun 18, 2008, at 13:17, Paul Collins wrote: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread russ - maxdesign
Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz related browsers is that you can only open one at a time. on 18/6/08 10:17

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Roberto Castaldo
Here’s a good solution (it works on my pc) to keep both Firefox 2 and 3 : http://blogs.cozi.com/tech/2008/04/multiple-firefo.html Multiple Firefox Profiles: Run Firefox 2 and 3 Side-By-Side, and More Best regards, Roberto Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Ken Robinson
Quoting Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with it as it is so

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Fabio Espindula
Firebug 1.1 works fine on firefox3. Jason Grant wrote: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become compatible with

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Maarten Stolte
definitely a mac thing, not sharing libraries like windows dll hell... On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:47 PM, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread James Ellis
Hi That's not exactly right .. if you install v3 to a different location (tip: choose Custom install) then you can run either version from the relevant file location, but not at the same time. The only problem you will find is compatibility with some extensions when you run FF3. If you want

[WSG] Multi level navigation!

2008-06-18 Thread james
Hi, Just wondering if any one can help me, i am trying to make a multi level CSS list on my website for navigation, it looks fine and works fine in all browsers, however it is now valid XHTML. The navigation can be seen here; http://jungle-systems.com/~mip/fmn/ I have tried adding a new

RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding

2008-06-18 Thread kevin_erickson
Can others with experience with this please confirm (or not) what Patrick has said? Thanks. Kevin --- Original Message --- From:Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Wed 6/18/08 6:10 am To:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subj:RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding Rick Lecoat So let me see if I

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Rob Crowther
James Ellis wrote: you can run either version from the relevant file location, but not at the same time. You can run any number of versions at the same time, but you have to use separate profiles - the profile can only be active in one instance at a time. You have to use the -no-remote

Re: [WSG] Multi level navigation!

2008-06-18 Thread Michael Persson
I woulkd try to nmake it in DL DT DD and easier make levels. Ir not use the inside UL but add a class to the li style=margin-left:1em;a href=#Step 1: Front Cover/a/li That would validated the menu even strict james wrote: Hi, Just wondering if any one can help me, i am trying to make a

RE: [WSG] Multi level navigation!

2008-06-18 Thread James Leslie
Hi, It is not valid because the inner ul needs to be contained in a li item of the outer ul. The only valid thing inside a ul tag is a li. If you surround the inner ul with a li with a class/id attached then you should be able to fiddle with that specific li in your CSS to sort out

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Tom Livingston
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will replace it even if you install into different directory. :-( Then it means you are not going to have your FireBug available to work with. FF3 is very nice and I am excited. Just can't wait for FireBug to become

RE: [WSG] Multi level navigation!

2008-06-18 Thread Darren Lovelock
Hi James, The sub UL should have an li wrapping it, that will make it validate. Like this: ul lia href=#Home/a /li lia href=#About Us/a /li lia href=#How to choose/a /li li ul

RE: [WSG] HTML special characters coding

2008-06-18 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Yes Patrick is correct. But that is the same with any character encoing, everything needs to match up. Different scripting modules throw in their own quirks into the mix. How easy it is, or how complex it is depends on how many languages and how many writing scripts you need to support. The

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Léo Siqueira
Just check for Firebug at the Mozilla FF Add-On website, there´s a new version compatible with the FF3. Regards, Léo Siqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] (19) 9111-2239 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] Multi level navigation!

2008-06-18 Thread james
Thanks allot guys, missed it again. Cheers Darren Lovelock wrote: Hi James, The sub UL should have an li wrapping it, that will make it validate. Like this: ul lia href=#Home/a /li lia href=#About Us/a /li lia href=#How to choose/a /li

Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding

2008-06-18 Thread T. R. Valentine
On 18/06/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can others with experience with this please confirm (or not) what Patrick has said? Thanks. Yes, Patrick is correct. I would add one caveat. If you use UTF-8 (personally, I see no reason to anything else), you should not use ASCII

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread kate
I hear about so many goodies on my lists I tried to dl Firebug (if our people like it its got to be awesome...hahaahah) But FF said it had a problem and would not allow in FF3. Glad you mentioned Firebug Jason - thanks! Kate - Original Message - From: Jason Grant To:

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread kate
Ken, Its said this am that there is a problem and so no Firebug for my FF3 at least. This was at the Mozilla site. Kate - Original Message - From: Ken Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread kate
Can some kind person tell me.. ..is Firebug only for the Mac as I have a PC. Thanks Kate - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Maybe

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread kate
Got it now thanksFirebug Kate - Original Message - From: Ken Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Quoting Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It will replace it even if you install into

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Dave Woods
I've downloaded Firebug 1.1 Beta and it seems to work fine with Firefox 3 http://getfirebug.com/releases/ Hope that helps. - - - - - http://www.dave-woods.co.uk 2008/6/18 kate [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I hear about so many goodies on my lists I tried to dl Firebug (if our people like it its got

Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding

2008-06-18 Thread Andrew Cunningham
On Thu, June 19, 2008 12:40 am, T. R. Valentine wrote: Yes, Patrick is correct. I would add one caveat. If you use UTF-8 (personally, I see no reason to anything else), you should not use ASCII characters (hex) 81-9F / (dec) 129-159 which includes stuff like 151; for an em dash and 150;

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Stewart Griffiths
firebug 1.2 works fine on FF3 and is available from the add-ons on the mozilla site: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 Stew 2008/6/18 Ken Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting kate [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ken, Its said this am that there is a problem and so no Firebug for my

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread kate
Got it Cortney thanks! Great little addon it is too. Kate - Original Message - From: Cortney Sellers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate Nope - I have firebug n FF 2 and am on a PC (I also have

[WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-18 Thread Rob Enslin
Hi peeps, I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Is

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-18 Thread Ian Chamberlain
The W3C's own site is full of four letter suffixs Rob. not that that means anything. I would doubt what they are saying, but then where I came from CMS and web standards were on different planets. - Original Message - From: Rob Enslin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent:

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-18 Thread Svip
If W3C says so, I cannot see why at all. Who said a file extension should be 3 characters long? Microsoft!? Hah, don't make me laugh, just because they thought people wouldn't be able to have filenames longer than 8 characters and 3 characters for file extensions (known as the 8.3 system).

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-18 Thread Gregorio Espadas
I think the same. Ergo, I always prefered .html over .htm Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If W3C says so, I cannot see why at all. Who said a file extension should be 3 characters long? Microsoft!? Hah, don't make me

[WSG] Duplicate Messages? Help!

2008-06-18 Thread Gregorio Espadas
Hi. I realize that every time I send a message to WSG, I get two copies of that message in my Gmail Inbox. Does it just me? A bug of Gmail? Thanks in advance for the help. Also, I hope this message doesn't botter to the members of this excellent group. Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-18 Thread Joseph Ortenzi
the standard is html On Jun 18, 2008, at 17:31, Ian Chamberlain wrote: The W3C's own site is full of four letter suffixs Rob. not that that means anything. I would doubt what they are saying, but then where I came from CMS and web standards were on different planets. -

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-18 Thread James Pickering
Alternative to serving XHTML pages via Content Negotiation, I associate (via .htaccess) the .htm file extension with HTML XHTML pages served as content MIME type text/html and the .html file extension for XHTML pages served as content MIME type application/xhtml+xml. James Semantic Web Page

Re: [WSG] Duplicate Messages? Help!

2008-06-18 Thread James Jeffery
I believe one of the messages gets sent back to yourself and the other is sent out to everyone one the list. In GMail it will group the emails, so you are infact getting 2, but this is normal. James On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I realize that

Re: [WSG] Duplicate Messages? Help!

2008-06-18 Thread Gregorio Espadas
Thanks so much for your accurate answer! :-) Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:09 PM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe one of the messages gets sent back to yourself and the other is sent out to everyone one the list. In GMail it will group

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-18 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Rob Enslin wrote: I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-18 Thread Luke Hoggett
Firebug (1.20b3 seems stable) and web developer toolbar both are now compatible with FF3. Make sure you get the versions from the Mozilla Add-ons pages as these are currently the most up to date. On a PC if you need to run both FF3and FF2 you can run the portable versions of either of them

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3

2008-06-18 Thread Sam Sherlock
all I have to do is create had to do was create a new profile and set shortcuts to load ff3 with the new profile. heres some info http://blog.codefront.net/2007/08/20/how-to-have-firefox-3-and-firefox-2-running-at-the-same-time/ 2008/6/18 Sajan Franco [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It will replace the

[WSG] Firefox rendering issue

2008-06-18 Thread Lynette Smith
http://www.americanmotorcycles.com.au/spyder.html IE displays as intended but since I made some changes to other parts of the site, Firefox displays incorrectly. It seems to want to put #contentdata directly under #box instead of under #contentpics. Can anyone see where I have gone

[WSG] W3C HTML Validation of an Intranet site

2008-06-18 Thread Hayden's Harness Attachment
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Re: [WSG] W3C HTML Validation of an Intranet site

2008-06-18 Thread Gonzalo González Mora
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