RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-22 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
I have to say I'm at a loss to see how a poem can be interpreted as a list!
One of the simplest tests (for me) of 'is this markup semantically
appropriate?' is to consider what your reaction would be if you saw it
without styles (or more correctly, with default styling).  I would certainly
be taken aback to see a verse marked up as a bulleted list!

And consider the effect in a screen reader: would it help the vistor to hear
at the beginning of each verse 'list of twelve items bullet Shall I compare
the to a summer's day? Bullet Thou art more lovely and more temperate bullet
etc'

Elizabeth

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I've been reading the marking up poems thread with interest but it seems
no one has made what seems to be the most obvious suggestion. When I was
still in class we had an exercise with a poem and used an unordered
list. Would this be a viable option? You could even have a different
list for each verse and then still do the fancy styling. What do people
think of that as an option?

IceKat



Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
 Must you Australian's *always* have the last say?  ;)

 not always, but often. esp if it ends in beer and a party

 Is that why what you say most often makes no sense?

 :-)

 Georg



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Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-22 Thread Matijs
I used to have a browser extension that depended on java that could take
really nice screen shots. Either a whole webpage or just the viewport. I'm
sure you could find it on the mozilla extensions website.

Matijs

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:48 AM, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Hi,
 Are there any free services like net renderer that show firefox 2x. scree
 captures?
 -best
 kevin



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Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-22 Thread Matijs
I have to agree with Elizabeth here. Semantically I'd say that this is one
of the few occasions where a br/ would be appropriate. The verses would be
paragraphs of course.

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Elizabeth Spiegel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have to say I'm at a loss to see how a poem can be interpreted as a list!
 One of the simplest tests (for me) of 'is this markup semantically
 appropriate?' is to consider what your reaction would be if you saw it
 without styles (or more correctly, with default styling).  I would
 certainly
 be taken aback to see a verse marked up as a bulleted list!

 And consider the effect in a screen reader: would it help the vistor to
 hear
 at the beginning of each verse 'list of twelve items bullet Shall I compare
 the to a summer's day? Bullet Thou art more lovely and more temperate
 bullet
 etc'

 Elizabeth

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Aldona
 Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2008 12:46 PM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

 I've been reading the marking up poems thread with interest but it seems
 no one has made what seems to be the most obvious suggestion. When I was
 still in class we had an exercise with a poem and used an unordered
 list. Would this be a viable option? You could even have a different
 list for each verse and then still do the fancy styling. What do people
 think of that as an option?

 IceKat



 Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
  Must you Australian's *always* have the last say?  ;)
 
  not always, but often. esp if it ends in beer and a party
 
  Is that why what you say most often makes no sense?
 
  :-)
 
  Georg



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[WSG] Link to WSG archive in footer?

2008-06-22 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
I just tried to find the WSG's archive which took a Google search after
unsuccessfully searching for it on webstandardsgroup.org.

Why not include this link in the standard post footer next to the
guidelines link? Helps us search before we might ask again what has just
been discussed.


Cheers,
 
Jens 

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RE: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-22 Thread John Horner
Just to point out something that hasn't been mentioned as far as I can
see -- of course, you can map file types to extensions on a webserver
however you like. You could set .JPG to serve as HTML if you wanted. The
original creators of Blogger, Pyra, used .pyra as their extension so I
have no idea which language they were using.

The problem comes when your users want to download the page for their
own purposes. Their computer is not going to know what to do with a
.pyra file.

So, people may have arrived at a policy of web pages having 8.3-style
names, just to make it easier for users to save files to their hard
disks, back in the early days of Windows. 

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Subject: Re: [WSG] html vs. html

It's completely irrelevant these days, but long file names, i.e.
anything with more than 8 characters in the name or 3 in the
extension, are implemented on FAT file systems via a messy hack.  The
'real' file name is the short name (i.e. Progra~1) and the rest of
the file name is stored in extra hidden directories, it's all very
messy and inefficient.

ISTR this came in with Windows 95, so if you want to use web servers
that run under MS-DOS, you might have a problem :)

- Korny (showing his age)

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Ian Chamberlain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My memory is fading fast Joe, but as I recall our first windows based
web
 server (from Bob Denny's book) fixed the 8.3 limitation.

 We did continue creating .htm for a while after that but only out of
habit.

 I can't remember the exact date but I would quess that we have been
largely
 free from that limitation for well over  ten years.

 Regards

 Ian

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 Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:43 AM
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 The question wasn't about keeping file extensions in URIs it was about
 what file extension the file should have, which I am sure you will
 agree is still required as the server needs to know if it is an html,
 php, css, js, etc file doesn't it.

 But I completely agree, my server can serve a file.php file from
 www.domain.com/file
  as long as don't stupidly name the file the same as a directory at
 the same level.

 I may be that _at one time_ the windows server needed a 8.3 filename
 convention but that went out the door ages ago didn't it?

 PS: the subject should really be htm vs html, no? or am I missing
 something?
 Joe

 On Jun 20, 2008, at 08:55, Martin Kliehm wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Patrick H. Lauke
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  wrote:
Rob Enslin wrote:
   
 I recently started noticing that our CMS system
 generated .htm pages where
 previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the
 support staff
 and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file
 extensions (or
 rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard)
   
Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. Challenge the support staff to
 actually point out
where this statement from the W3C is supposed to be...

  I'd have to agree; I'm inclined to believe that .htm is a
 carryover
  from when Microsoft(TM) products (ie DOS) only supported file
  extensions up to 3 characters in length.
 
  If there is a W3C statement, I'd love to see it.

 Oh, there is. The W3C advises to avoid file extensions in URLs to
 keep future compliant. Cool URIs don't change, you know. ;)

 http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI


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