Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-24 Thread Jens Nedal
dwain wrote: i agree, put the poem in a div, place the poem inside a p, use br / (br for html4) at the end of each line and a double br / between stanzas (unless you are writing a very long poem, then i'd go for p at every stanza). cheers, dwain Hello Web Standards Group List

[WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread Paul Collins
Hi all, I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and CSS support. I currently have a Nokia N70 and as far as I can see it doesn't support CSS at all. But, perhaps with a stylesheet targeting mobile phones it would?! The main reason is, I am trying to decide whether

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

2008-06-24 Thread Paul Collins
Thanks for your replies everyone. I finally got both versions working! 2008/6/23 Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 2008/06/23 11:42 (GMT+0100) Steve Green apparently typed: You can still get some old versions from the Mozilla FTP site at

RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

2008-06-24 Thread michael.brockington
Does anyone have an example of this behaviour? Not quite sure I follow the issue... Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken McInnes Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:55 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Firefox 3

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-24 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jens Nedal wrote: [...] If you ask me, i would say that a double br is a p already. Look at word processing programs. When you wish for a double br you will simply type Enter. If you want a line-break you will mostly do a Shift+Enter. Word processing isn't web design, and one has to look

Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread Stewart Griffiths
Paul, Check out these great resources: - http://dev.mobi/ - http://mobilewebbook.com - http://www.w3.org/mobile/ And for testing you can use http://deviceanywhere.com which provides remote access to actual handsets (not emulators). Good Luck. Stew 2008/6/24 Paul Collins [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread Jens Nedal
Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and CSS support. I currently have a Nokia N70 and as far as I can see it doesn't support CSS at all. But, perhaps with a stylesheet targeting mobile phones it would?! The main reason is, I am trying to

Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread Paul Collins
Thanks for your replies everyone, those are good resources. 2008/6/24 Jens Nedal [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and CSS support. I currently have a Nokia N70 and as far as I can see it doesn't support CSS at

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

2008-06-24 Thread Matijs
script src=yourscript.js type=text/javascript/script works script src=yourscript.js type=text/javascript / doesn't On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an example of this behaviour? Not quite sure I follow the issue... Regards, Mike -Original

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

2008-06-24 Thread Svip
I believe this problem has always exited in Firefox. Though, I have no idea why... /me strokes beard. Regards, Svip 2008/6/24 Matijs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: script src=yourscript.js type=text/javascript/script works script src=yourscript.js type=text/javascript / doesn't On Tue, Jun 24, 2008

[WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread Rob Enslin
Hi all, if this is off topic I apologise in advance. I have a slight issue with IE (surprise surprise) on a page I'm *working* on. In FF and Safari (PC and Mac) my page is centred (#wrap). In IE it's not. Although not a standards-based question (I think) I wonder if anyone has the 'fix' for it?

Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Paul, There are fifteen articles here on designing, etc. for Opera Mobile and Opera Mini. http://dev.opera.com/articles/mobile/ Hope this may be of help. Kind regards, Frank Palinkas Opera Software On 6/24/08, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to find a

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread Gonzalo González Mora
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, if this is off topic I apologise in advance. I have a slight issue with IE (surprise surprise) on a page I'm *working* on. In FF and Safari (PC and Mac) my page is centred (#wrap). In IE it's not. Although not a

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread Sagnik Dey
Hi Rob, Use *text-align:center *in body body { margin: 0; padding: 0; text-align:center; } -- Cheers to life Sagnik :: 26four79.com On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, if this is off topic I apologise in advance. I have a slight

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread Sagnik Dey
Sorry...forgot to complete the code...you have to further align the text left in the *#wrap * #wrap { width: 832px; margin: 0 auto; text-align:left; } -- Cheers to life Sagnik :: 26four79.com On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sagnik Dey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rob, Use

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread Rob Enslin
Hi @Gonzalo - fantastic! Thank you. Rob [Moleskin note book where are you?] 2008/6/24 Gonzalo González Mora [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, if this is off topic I apologise in advance. I have a slight issue with IE (surprise

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread Jon Tan
On 24 Jun 2008, at 15:41, Rob Enslin wrote: Code CSS snippet: body { margin: 0; padding: 0; text-align: center; } #wrap { width: 832px; margin: 0 auto; } …that should do it. All the best, Jon - http://jontangerine.com/

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread Matijs
I assume by IE in this case you mean IE6, not that it's younger brother doesn't have its share of problems ;) In IE7 centering a column like this should work. But what Gonzalo said should work. He just beat me to it :) If you're interested in trying a different way, have a look at this:

RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread Darren Lovelock
I just read the article about Vodafone UK and their manipulation of the user-agent header http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/vodafonerant/index.htm I don't know if this is old news to you guys but Vodafone is passing mobile internet connections through proxy software called Novarra. Novarra is

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rob Enslin wrote: Although not a standards-based question (I think) I wonder if anyone has the 'fix' for it? The page: http://www.servicemanagement.co.uk/new.htm Maybe better to trigger standard mode in browsers first, and add fixes later. The combination of declarations you have now is a

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread James Pickering
Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The combination of declarations you have now is a somewhat new one - to me at least. An XML declaration has no place above an HTML DTD in an HTML document, and the DTD is incomplete and triggers quirks mode in all browsers...

Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread James Pickering
Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and CSS support. I currently have a Nokia N70 and as far as I can see it doesn't support CSS at all. But, perhaps with a stylesheet targeting mobile phones it would?! Hi

Re: [WSG] IE6/7 behaviour

2008-06-24 Thread Rob Enslin
Hi @James and @Gunlaug, Points noted on the page declaration issues. Thanks. Rob 2008/6/24 James Pickering [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The combination of declarations you have now is a somewhat new one - to me at least. An XML declaration has no place

[WSG] Warren Dusting is out of the office on a course.

2008-06-24 Thread warren . dusting
I will be out of the office starting 25/06/2008 and will not return until 27/06/2008. I will respond to your message when I return. If you have any urgent web pages you need published please contact Chris Lassig on 9637 8609 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notice: This email and any attachments may

[WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-24 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary navigation - what are the liabilities? -kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-24 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
kevin mcmonagle wrote: Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary navigation - what are the liabilities? without flash, no navigation; not crawled/indexed by search engines; not keyboard-accessible in firefox; even in other browsers, not accessible unless you make damn sure

Re: RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread William Donovan
I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be following web standards with their CSS version. and I don't think it is just in the UK, it is every where for Vodafone. Which not only defies any effort you made to put the thing together for presentation standards as well. I

RE: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-24 Thread Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd
If you want to use a flash based navigation system and you are using swf object then I would use the no script area to include a CSS based navigation system for non-flash users. This way it can be searched by Google etc and be user accessible. i.e. div id=flash_navigation ul id=navigation lia

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest

2008-06-24 Thread Cook, Karen
Hi, I'm out of the office on Wednesday 25th June. For Whereis related matters contact Belinda Lang, product manager or Asaf Amit, Dev Lead. I will be checking emails periodically, however if it is urgent send me a text. Karen Sensis. Helping you find, buy and sell. www.sensis.com.au -

Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?

2008-06-24 Thread Luke Hoggett
Hi Lyn, As mentioned make sure you are using the description meta with appropriate tags. Also make sure that the page title above the menu bar is sufficiently detailed e.g. Artist Name - Image Name c Image replacement on the site title is a good idea, just offset the html text

Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?

2008-06-24 Thread Lynette Smith
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Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-24 Thread vishnu priya
Hello Sir I have just seen your mail today,it made me know a new thing regarding the topic Paul started. Thanks Regards Priya On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:04 AM, Darren Lovelock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just read the article about Vodafone UK and their manipulation of the user-agent