[WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Fuji kusaka
Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?... I cant pass validation because of some css hacks i used. Is there a way to hide those hacks when i validate it? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread sundar
Hi Fuji - Not sure what type of hacks you have used in, presumably thinking some of these types like _ and * for IE versions. Those _ * will show errors when you validate, better option to use conditional comments Sundar On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Fuji kusaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread William Donovan
I would say plug your code directly into the W3C CSS validator http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/#validate_by_input and delete the hacks. However i have used hacks before and found that they did still pass through the validator. Could there be errors in your hacks. Also, just as a note,

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Fuji kusaka
Ive use #min-height:300px !important; *html #mainContent{ behavior: url(iepngfix.htc) !important; but cant get those validation.. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, sundar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fuji - Not sure what type of hacks you have used in, presumably thinking some of

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Luke Hoggett
hi, not sure what's going on in your CSS exactly. but behavior is non-standard, it's a microsoft thing. with that png fix I don't think you'll ever get it to validate but I could be wrong. what's the hash (#) in front of min-height, is min-height an id? and which element or selector is it

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Fuji kusaka wrote: #min-height:300px !important; This should be: SomeSelector {min-height:300px !important;} What SomeSelector is, some selector. *html #mainContent{ You need a space between * and html behavior: url(iepngfix.htc) !important; This will never validated because it's IE only.

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Dave Lane
I'm assuming most of the hacks are for IE? Why not just conditionally include them, i.e. unless the validator obeys IE policies, it won't even see the IE-specifi CSS. Dave Fuji kusaka wrote: Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?... I cant pass validation because of some css

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Hi Patrick, i know thats the case with flash but what about the css/xhtml no flash content that validates when you use swf object 2.0 static method. If theres no flash support it degrades to normal xhtml navigation. A more specific question is if the majority of users are using the flash to

Re: RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-25 Thread Michael MD
I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be following web standards with their CSS version. and I don't think it is just in the UK, it is every where for Vodafone. Which not only defies any effort you made to put the thing together for presentation standards as well.

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 25 Jun 2008, at 00:35, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary navigation - what are the liabilities? Assuming SWFObject 2 is like SWFObject 1 it writes your Flash file into a named Div. This div can (and should) hold alternative/falback

Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?

2008-06-25 Thread dwain
hi lynette, check out http://www.studiokdd.com/ the site still isn't finished under the hood, because i still need to add long descriptions. maybe your client could see that content with keywords can be tastefully done without clutter. remember, it's all about design! cheers, dwain On 6/24/08,

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Rick Lecoat wrote: If the visitor has Flash then the Flash swf replaces the alternative content. If they don't (or if they don't have javascript turned on) then they'll get the fallback content, which should also suffice for search engines. (Of course, don't make your fallback navigation

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread Matijs
Regardless of whether you stick alternative navigation in the div that's going to be replaced, I've personally found using Flash for navigation about the worst use of Flash possible. Are you sure that you cannot achieve what you want by using HTML with some enhancements thrown in by javascript?

Re: [WSG] Keywords for text-less site?

2008-06-25 Thread Matijs
If the number of times the font is used per page isn't excessive, you could also resort to sIFR3 for font replacement. Check: http://novemberborn.net/sifr3 for more information. If you need help with this, you can contact me off-list. :) Gr. Matijs On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 5:29 AM, Lynette

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread Matijs
There isn't really a way for a search engine to see how many times a link has been clicked. It is however possible for a search engine to see / count how many links are pointing to a page (either internally or externally), thereby measuring its 'popularity'. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM,

Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

2008-06-25 Thread Сергей Кириченко
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/scripts.html#edef-SCRIPT *Start tag: required, End tag: required* http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#prohibitions C.3. Element Minimization and Empty Element Content Given an empty instance of an element whose content model is not EMPTY (for example, an empty

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Thank you matijs thats what i was wondering, you make a good point about using javascript but im not an expert in using it. Matijs wrote: There isn't really a way for a search engine to see how many times a link has been clicked. It is however possible for a search engine to see / count how

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 25 Jun 2008, at 11:49, Matijs wrote: Regardless of whether you stick alternative navigation in the div that's going to be replaced, I've personally found using Flash for navigation about the worst use of Flash possible. Are you sure that you cannot achieve what you want by using HTML

[WSG] flickr streams

2008-06-25 Thread kevin mcmonagle
any good standards based tutorials out there for adding them to regular xhtml pages? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] flickr streams

2008-06-25 Thread Melissa
Best one I've seen and used is at Veerle Pieters' blog: http://veerle.duoh.com/blog/comments/fickr_badge_w3c_valid/ Melissa Web Developer Graphic Designer www.technocolor.net On Jun 25, 2008, at 7:45 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: any good standards based tutorials out there for adding

Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-25 Thread willdonovan
Michael, My understanding is that they have different styles targeted for the different handsets and that is the other justification for carrying out such an exercise. William Michael MD wrote: I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be following web standards

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread willdonovan
I know that there are a lot of free javascript libraries available for you to use without having to go to the extent of programming your own javascript features. things like dhtml goodies and scriptaculous, I'm sure the group has some other options but this is getting off topic now. a quick

Re: [WSG] flickr streams

2008-06-25 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Thanks thats just what i was looking for. Melissa wrote: Best one I've seen and used is at Veerle Pieters' blog: http://veerle.duoh.com/blog/comments/fickr_badge_w3c_valid/ *** List Guidelines:

RE: RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS

2008-06-25 Thread Darren Lovelock
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael MD Sent: 25 June 2008 11:10 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be following web