Re: [WSG] hoot of the day - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2008-07-09 Thread dwain
sorry, i thought it went somewhere else.  my humblest apologies.
dwain

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CLOSED, again Re: [WSG] Help

2008-07-09 Thread James Ellis
Hi

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either do so off list or alter the subject to something descriptive and ask 
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On Wednesday 09 July 2008 09:33:28 Bidemi Adejumo wrote:
 I guess at not a wrong group coz we're to share ideas. Flash b'cos its
 creat interactive platforms.

 On 7/6/08, Matijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Wrong group I'm afraid Bidemi, but one wonders, why Flash in the first
  place?
 
  On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Bidemi Adejumo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello All,
   Is there anyone who can design guestbook with flash? I guess you know
  what
  the question means..
  .. I want someone to teach me how to develop guest book with
  flash.
 
  Thanks
 
  Bidemi.




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[WSG] Re: Form (layout/accessibiity)

2008-07-09 Thread shaun
I have created a form which acts as a interface to a system outside of my
control. This takes UK postcode in two parts (postcode1 - the initial part
e.g. ng1 and postcode2 the later part e.g.7sw) 

Is it appropriate that I have one label for two inputs or does anyone
know of a surefire way to hide second label I have tried this but it does not
seem cross browser

html snippet
label for=PostCode1Postcode:/labelinput type=text class=postcode
id=PostCode1 name=PostCode1  maxlength=4 /label for=PostCode2
class=hidesecond part of postcode:/labelinput class=postcode
type=text id=PostCode2 name=PostCode2  maxlength=4 /
 

css selectors relating to this 
#su_housing input.postcode
{
width:2em;
}

#su_housing label.hide
{
position:absolute;
left:;
font-size:0;
color:#fff;

}

Would appreciate anyones thoughts help 

Many Thanks
Shaun




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RE: [WSG] Re: Form (layout/accessibiity)

2008-07-09 Thread Thierry Koblentz
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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 Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:50 AM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: [WSG] Re: Form (layout/accessibiity)
 
 I have created a form which acts as a interface to a system outside of my
 control. This takes UK postcode in two parts (postcode1 - the initial part
 e.g. ng1 and postcode2 the later part e.g.7sw)
 
 Is it appropriate that I have one label for two inputs or does anyone
 know of a surefire way to hide second label I have tried this but it does
not
 seem cross browser
 
 html snippet
 label for=PostCode1Postcode:/labelinput type=text
class=postcode
 id=PostCode1 name=PostCode1  maxlength=4 /label for=PostCode2
 class=hidesecond part of postcode:/labelinput class=postcode
 type=text id=PostCode2 name=PostCode2  maxlength=4 /
 
 
 css selectors relating to this
 #su_housing input.postcode
   {
   width:2em;
   }
 
 #su_housing label.hide
   {
   position:absolute;
   left:;
   font-size:0;
   color:#fff;
 
   }
 
 Would appreciate anyones thoughts help

Try:
left:-em; /* it can't be unitless */

As a side note, if you hide it off-screen, there is no need for font-size
and color in that rule


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Re: [WSG] Re: Form (layout/accessibiity)

2008-07-09 Thread John Unsworth
Shaun,

Somewhat new subscriber to the list, first time respondent...

It's a bit late of night, but if I read this right, if this section
(as it is a form, right?) is wrapped in a fieldset you can then hide
both labels and use legend to identify that's it's postcode. I'm
relatively new in this web malarky, but have been working on a lot of
form pages for a web app, and think fieldset legend are as good
as, and as easy to work with as div's. So if your fieldset carries
your id, then you can target your form elements. So to take your
snippet..

fieldset id=postcode
legendPostcode/legend
label for=PostCode1Postcode:/labelinput type=text
id=PostCode1 name=PostCode1  maxlength=4 /label
for=PostCode2
second part of postcode:/labelinput type=text id=PostCode2 
name=PostCode2  maxlength=4 /
/fieldset

Then style the font etc of the legend, and hide the label the same
as your CSS, and size the input likewise.
Example - #postcode input { width: 2em;} #postcode label { position:
absolute; left: -px;}

Alternatively, if you can't or won't use fieldset then you might use
a Definition List. The term postcode is the dt, then just add input
elements in the dd and use title to explain the input use for screen
readers.

To all the more experienced members, please step forward to clarify or
correct my advice.

Your faithfully,
I've got no signature set up,
John Unsworth,
New Web Designing Bloke.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 6:49 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have created a form which acts as a interface to a system outside of my
 control. This takes UK postcode in two parts (postcode1 - the initial part
 e.g. ng1 and postcode2 the later part e.g.7sw)

 Is it appropriate that I have one label for two inputs or does anyone
 know of a surefire way to hide second label I have tried this but it does not
 seem cross browser

 html snippet
 label for=PostCode1Postcode:/labelinput type=text class=postcode
 id=PostCode1 name=PostCode1  maxlength=4 /label for=PostCode2
 class=hidesecond part of postcode:/labelinput class=postcode
 type=text id=PostCode2 name=PostCode2  maxlength=4 /


 css selectors relating to this
 #su_housing input.postcode
{
width:2em;
}

 #su_housing label.hide
{
position:absolute;
left:;
font-size:0;
color:#fff;

}

 Would appreciate anyones thoughts help

 Many Thanks
 Shaun




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[WSG] columns with matching vertical alignment

2008-07-09 Thread Ben Lau
Hi all,

I would like to know the best (or at least better and simple) way to achieve
this kind of design.
I have uploaded a sample design image for convenience:
http://www.hellobenlau.net/design.gif

Basically I need to have the lists at the bottom of each columns to match up
vertically, but the content paragraph above it is supposed to be dynamic
(clients could enter a novel if they wish). I don't think setting the list
to be position:absolute and bottom:0 would be ideal, nor setting a
min-height on the paragraph. What should be the best approach for this?

Thanks a million!


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Re: [WSG] columns with matching vertical alignment

2008-07-09 Thread Andrew Maben


On Jul 9, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Ben Lau wrote:



I would like to know the best (or at least better and simple) way  
to achieve this kind of design.
I have uploaded a sample design image for convenience: http:// 
www.hellobenlau.net/design.gif


Basically I need to have the lists at the bottom of each columns to  
match up vertically, but the content paragraph above it is supposed  
to be dynamic (clients could enter a novel if they wish). I don't  
think setting the list to be position:absolute and bottom:0 would  
be ideal, nor setting a min-height on the paragraph. What should be  
the best approach for this


I don't know about best, but I think I'd divide the page  
horizontally, where the bottom portion contains the lists, and the  
top everything else.
Make this two divs and then place the column parts in their  
respective div.


Perhaps semantic purists might take exception, but I contend that the  
semantic weight of a div is fairly neutral.


Any more elegant solutions, anyone?

Andrew







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RE: [WSG] Re: Form (layout/accessibiity)

2008-07-09 Thread Chris Taylor
-Original Message-
From: John Unsworth
Sent: 09 July 2008 14:37

 It's a bit late of night, but if I read this right, if this section
 (as it is a form, right?) is wrapped in a fieldset you can then hide
 both labels and use legend to identify that's it's postcode

That's certainly an idea, but legends are notoriously difficult to style 
reliably across browsers. I'd go with something similar to Thierry's solution:

HTML:

label for=PostCode1Postcode:/label
input type=text class=postcode id=PostCode1 name=PostCode1  
maxlength=4 /
label for=PostCode2 class=hidesecond part of postcode:/label
input class=postcode type=text id=PostCode2 name=PostCode2  
maxlength=4 /

CSS:

.hide { left: :-em; overflow: hidden; }

Chris


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[WSG] Survey on the Adoption of Web Standards

2008-07-09 Thread ROBINS, DAVE
Hello fellow members of the web standards group:

I'm a faculty member at Kent State University in Kent, Ohio in the US.

My colleague, Sanda Katila, and I are conducting research on the extent to
which web standards are being adopted into the design and development of web
sites, and we would very much appreciate it if you would take the time to
complete our survey.

By doing so, you will help us gain knowledge about the processes and
problems associated with adopting web standards into web design and
development practices. We can share this knowledge with management, clients
and other stakeholders to show them the importance and state-of-the-art of
web standards adoption. In addition, we can administer this survey on an
annual basis to compare with prior results to measure the changes in web
standards adoption.

We are really excited to find out what people are doing.

You will find the survey by clicking on the following link:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=espUJiWK_2bExygsQP3vRjkQ_3d_3d

The survey itself takes between 20 and 30 minutes to complete.

The researchers will protect your confidentiality by leaving your names
unassociated with any data collection.

Please do not hesitate to contact us for preliminary results of the survey.
We will be distributing the results through publication channels and when we
do, we will contact various lists to alert subscribers to the publications.

Thanks for participating, should you decide to do so.

David Robins, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Information Architecture and Knowledge Management
Kent State University
drobins (at) kent.edu
phone: 330-672-5852
fax: 330-672-2118
http://faculty-l.slis

Sanda Katila, MFA
Associate Professor
Visual Communication Design
Kent State University


http://www.kent.edu/


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