[WSG] Joost van Gorsel is out of the office from August 26th till September 14th.

2008-08-27 Thread Joost van Gorsel
Dear Sir, Madam, Joost van Gorsel will be out of the office starting from 26th of August till 14th of September. For urgent matters please contact: Metro Design Communication B.V. Delfsestraat 33 3013 AE Rotterdam T. (+31)10.2800500 With kind regards,

[WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Jason Pruim
Good Morning everyone! I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links. I am wondering, how would I go about convincing my client that this isn't the best way to do it? I personally think that some nice text

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Rob Enslin
Hi Jason, Why don't you turn the convincing angle up-side-down? Instead of pulling the 'accessibility' pitch focus on the performance and customizability of having a CSS-driven navigation (accessibility will follow naturally). Perhaps you could prepare two versions of a similar looking

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Schalk Neethling
Very good advice Rob. Rob Enslin wrote: Hi Jason, Why don't you turn the convincing angle up-side-down? Instead of pulling the 'accessibility' pitch focus on the performance and customizability of having a CSS-driven navigation (accessibility will follow naturally). Perhaps you could

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread info
Hi Jason, I would most certainly not allow the use of an image map. They are only useful for defining polygon or circular areas on maps (or similar) as links. They are not good for a sites primary navigation. For navigation that is consisting of an image I would create an unordered list:

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Ian Chamberlain
Agreed Jason, totally blind users may be small in number but turning away those with partial sight could hurt your clients bottom line; the trick is to invite in the missing 11% without making the site so boring that normal users wander off elsewhere. Further it may help to widen the

RE: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Rick Faircloth
Darren... I find your comment, I would most certainly not allow the use of an image map, interesting. What would you do, as is Jason's situation, if your client demands it? You can always turn down the work, but would you simply because a client wants to do something that you don't like? Rick

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hi Jason, I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links. That's not necessarily an inaccessible method, not completely anyway. Take my MapPop [1] for example. It's a list and CSS driven. works with keyboard.

RE: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread info
Hi Rick, If any client were to tell me how to code their website I would probably tell them to go elsewhere. The client is more than likely going to be a pain throughout the project and then also when making payment. Obviously this is within reason - design aspects - of course they

RE: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Rick Faircloth
You're right about a client like that being a pain in the rear. I had a client who wanted customers to contact them via email, but didn't want to use a contact form and didn't want them to just use a link to email from the website. He was dead-set against forms even though they were the answer.

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Jason Pruim
Honestly, I think he just wants a very specific look... He also thinks it looks neater then using plain txt I'll talk to him about it and let him know about the possible down falls with the whole thing... After I read up on image maps that is :) I'm assuming they rely on some sort of

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Joseph Taylor
People have already said this, but an unordered list, a little css and some sprites allow for very graphically rich navigation that is usable in almost all circumstances. I have been putting image replaced navigation on all my sites for some time. You could even use a big photograph.

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Tim Offenstein
At 6:37 AM -0400 8/27/08, Jason Pruim wrote: Good Morning everyone! I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links. I am wondering, how would I go about convincing my client that this isn't the best way to do it?

RE: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Ted Drake
It's not too difficult to use CSS to turn a list of links into an image map. Just give the ul the image as a background and position relative. You can then define the size and absolute position of each list item and position the text off screen. This still isn't as accessible as a simple list,

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Nancy Johnson
I dislike image maps as there are so many better ways to do navigtation. However, client side image maps are 508 compliant and accessible if coded correctly. Server side image maps are not. see this article in http://www.webaim.org/techniques/images/alt_text.php#maps Nancy On Wed, Aug 27,

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:37:06 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: Good Morning everyone! I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links. I am wondering, how would I go about convincing my client that this isn't the best

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:37:06 -0400, Jason Pruim wrote: Good Morning everyone! I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a picture and then use image maps to get to the actual links. I am wondering, how would I go about convincing my client that this isn't the best

Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread fernando
Hi WebAIM have articles about Accessibility. http://www.webaim.org/intro see http://www.webaim.org/articles/vis_vs_cog/ and example : http://www.peepo.com/ Good luck Fernando - Original Message - From: David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Pruim

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2008-08-27 Thread russ - maxdesign
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Re: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-27 Thread Jens Nedal
Even if the text replacement should not look as satisfying as using a whole big image with image maps on it, you can still split up that image into the navigation part and use image replacement techniques where the Text is still preserved. Since most of those techniques hide the Text and put the

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