Re: [WSG] Accessible menu lists - using the pipe character as separator?

2008-09-28 Thread Stuart Foulstone

Early screen-readers were not very good at differentiating links and would
run together the text of two adjacent links so it was necessary to use a
separator character.

The vertical line (pipe) became the preferred character to separate
adjacent links because, whilst it is quite  verbose - the screen reader
reads it as vertical line - this character is not used for very much
else and so reduces any possible confusion with other text.

(When I first started out in web design, I too thought this continual
repetition of vertical line would be annoying but was assured by a
screen-reader user that it was preferable to confusion otherwise).

Thus, this separator was not merely a visual cue but vital for separating
links from each other.

That said, modern screen-readers are much better at differentiating
between links and so screen-reader user's need this device much less.

Additionally, improvements in CSS have led to best practice in web design
increasingly placing navigation menus in lists.

On Sat, September 27, 2008 3:24 pm, Daisy Morgan wrote:
 Hello all

 I can't seem to find a definitive answer on this via Google - is it best
 practice to use something like the pipe character ( | ) to separate links
 a menu so that screenreader software pauses between the list items? Any
 recommended articles dealing with accessible menus in general?


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Re: [WSG] suckerfish problem - ie6

2008-09-28 Thread willdonovan

Hi Kevin,

I have the FF issue as well.

Fore me: FF2.17 on a PC.


kevin mcmonagle wrote:

Thats strange eBiz,
The dropdowns are working over the flash in ff3 mac for me.
Anyway im getting that or a very similar problem in safari so will def 
try your suggestion tomorrow.
Actually the hover states are not even working in safari though so it 
might be another issue alltogether.

George that ie solution you put together works very nice - thanks again.

Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd wrote:
FF3, it only happens on the home page where the flash is, if you set 
flash container to z-index 1 (assuming your using SWFobject) and you 
ul to

z-index 99 then it will work in all browsers.



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Re: [WSG] Is it a good/bad practise to have more than one same link url?

2008-09-28 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun

tee wrote:
As far as SEO concerns, it seems to have an advantage because google 
image search and a few other image search engines (can't remember 
their names). This seems to be very useful for sites that sell 
products, image stock and photographers

Have to keep that in mind when I'm looking for such products - look
beyond the first few dozen finds. This is something I quite regularly do
anyway, for all searches, because of all the SEO aimed at twisting

But no good for screen reader I guess. Without one to test from, I 
imagine the screen reader reads each links?!

They ain't got much of a choice - a link is a link even if it is a

To expand on practical solutions at hand:

I often duplicate links myself, but in a different way and for a
different reason - no SEO intended.
- One link to a page goes in the relevant place in the main section.
- One link to same page goes in a listing of links in a separate
section, so that all relevant links can be found in one place - for
instance in the sidebar. I may have one such link-group for internal
pages and one for external, marked up with suitable group-headlines.

In some layouts an image can be positioned out of the text-link, which
eliminates the need for duplicated links. Depends very much on the
actual layout if this noise-reduction method can be used, or not.
Would work fine in layouts like the one the site I used as example of
link-duplications -


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[WSG] Is it a good practice to have 'Back to Top' link?

2008-09-28 Thread Joe Chiang
Hi all,

I have some VERY long pages in the website I maintain. Currently, I
insert 'Back to Top' after every section in the page.
Sometimes, I feel they are disturbing and am not sure if there is any
better way to do it or don't insert them at all.

Of course, splitting the page into smaller pages is the simplest way
out, but for our application, the page has to contain all the
information on the same page.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.


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