RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Stuart Foulstone

Which IS semantic and separates content (the link) from presentation (a
button).

On Mon, February 23, 2009 10:56 pm, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
 On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote:

 Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code.
 I will definitely not be using Javascript. It seems entirely logical
 to me that there should be such a thing as a button, which can exist
 outside a form, which has an HREF attribute or can be wrapped in an
 anchor.

 Why? All you need do is style the anchor element.

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RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Stuart Foulstone

Which IS semantic and separates content (the link) from presentation (a
button).

On Mon, February 23, 2009 10:56 pm, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
 On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote:

 Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code.
 I will definitely not be using Javascript. It seems entirely logical
 to me that there should be such a thing as a button, which can exist
 outside a form, which has an HREF attribute or can be wrapped in an
 anchor.

 Why? All you need do is style the anchor element.

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Re: [WSG] DHTML Menus

2009-02-24 Thread Chris Dimmock
Q. What is the percentage of
 population that does not have javascript enabled?

A. 100% of search engine spiders.

So if you don't want your site fully spidered.


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RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote:


Advantages of using buttons:

1) Button elements don't need styling, they take their styling from the
user's operating system, which they are, I assume, familiar and
comfortable with. I won't be reinventing the wheel.


Button elements are styled by the browser.


2) Anchor elements don't have a built-in disabled mode, buttons

  do,

Disabled mode is just more styling.


and again the styling comes directly from the OS and the user is
familiar with it.


Anchor elements are styled by the browser.


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Subject: RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote:


Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code.
I will definitely not be using Javascript. It seems entirely logical
to me that there should be such a thing as a button, which can exist
outside a form, which has an HREF attribute or can be wrapped in an
anchor.


   Why? All you need do is style the anchor element.

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RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
 Chris F.A. Johnson

 On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote:
 1) Button elements don't need styling, they take their styling from 
 the user's operating system, which they are, I assume, familiar and 
 comfortable with. I won't be reinventing the wheel.

 Button elements are styled by the browser.

But the browser should, in normal circumstances, heed any OS preferences
(or at least, unless explicitly styled differently, present all those
controls with a consistent look and feel).

 2) Anchor elements don't have a built-in disabled mode, buttons
   do,

Disabled mode is just more styling.

It's also a functional change, as it disables the button (makes it
unclickable and does not trigger the specified onclick action).

 and again the styling comes directly from the OS and the user is 
 familiar with it.

 Anchor elements are styled by the browser.

I believe John meant the styling of the 'disabled' button, so same as
above applies.

P

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RE: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On Tue, February 24, 2009 1:54 am, John Horner wrote:
 Advantages of using buttons:

 1) Button elements don't need styling, they take their styling from the
 user's operating system, which they are, I assume, familiar and
 comfortable with. I won't be reinventing the wheel.


Actually, the specific purpose of the button is to allow one to have
buttons that *don't* look like ordinary buttons:

Buttons created with the BUTTON element function just like buttons
created with the INPUT element, but they offer richer rendering
possibilities: the BUTTON element may have content.  
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-BUTTON

In other words, the purpose of the button element is to allow the
functionality of a button without imposing the appearance of one.

 2) Anchor elements don't have a built-in disabled mode, buttons do,
 and again the styling comes directly from the OS and the user is
 familiar with it.


If it doesn't do anything (that is, it is disabled), then it shouldn't
be an anchor element. An anchor element used as a hyperlink has a semantic
meaning. If that meaning should not be attached to a piece of content -
e.g. the words Next page when there is no next page - then the link
should be absent. While there may be good usability reasons for retaining
the content, such as maintaining consistency of interface, to think in
terms of providing functionality and then disabling it is to put the cart
before the horse: instead, only provide the functionality when it is
functional.

Regards,

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RE: [WSG] Classes---Adding multiple classes to an element, is there a downfall???

2009-02-24 Thread michael.brockington
In my own personal opinion, if you get into the situation where you want
to use a selector like:
 
.class1.class2  { stuff }
 
then it is time to do a little re-factoring. The whole point of allowing
an element to have two or more classes is so that each class remains
semantically logical. As you pointed out, it is legal to use a selector
like the above, but I would never allow such code on any project I was
working on. Worst case is you need to be more specific with your rules.
Obviously, the cascade determines exactly which rule will win, but I
would also be very wary of relying on source-order - it would be far too
easy for you (or someone else) to decide to tidy up the stylesheet at
some point and change the order of these two rules.
 
Mike
 
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Re: [WSG] Code scan, complient to guidelines version 2.0

2009-02-24 Thread David Dorward

Thiru Yoganathan wrote:
I am looking for a code scan tool that compliant to the new 
accessibility guidelines v2.0


 

We currently use Bobby, however that is still adhering to the 
guidelines, version 1.0


 


Does anybody know of a tool which can do this?


I use siteSifter - http://www.sitesifter.co.uk/

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/ has some lists.




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Re: [WSG] DHTML Menus

2009-02-24 Thread David Dorward

Kristine Cummins wrote:


I’ve recently seen some arguments against the use of DHTML menus for 
accessibility issues. How much is this an issue…. What is the 
percentage of population that does not have javascript enabled? Any 
other thoughts on the topic?


DHTML menus is a very vague term. The tool doesn't matter so much as 
what you do with it.


A menu which used JavaScript to change the background colour of the menu 
item when pointed at would qualify as a DHTML menu. It would be an 
inefficient way to do something that could be more easily achieved with 
CSS, but the term would still apply.


I'm going to assume you are talking about drop down menus.

It is entirely possible to create something that works without 
JavaScript progressively enhances (although there are some arguments 
about whether drop down menus are an 'enhancement' on websites, see 
below) when it is.


It is also possible to create things that not only fail to work when JS 
isn't available, but sometimes fail to work when it is.


Take, for instance, a menu that depends on the user moving the mouse 
over the title to cause the menu to appear.


Now approach it with a keyboard - there aren't any links (in their 
theoretical example) for the focus to go to, so the menu can't be used - 
even those the client supports JavaScript.


Next approach it with a touch screen (on an iPhone for example). The 
client supports JS. The client can click. But the client can't hover the 
pointer over anything. It's broken again.


Then there are other arguments again them: 
http://www.message.uk.com/index.php?page=81



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Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread David Dorward

Nick Fitzsimons wrote:

Actually, the specific purpose of the button is to allow one to have
buttons that *don't* look like ordinary buttons:

Buttons created with the BUTTON element function just like buttons
created with the INPUT element, but they offer richer rendering
possibilities: the BUTTON element may have content.  
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-BUTTON
  
No, you can have richer rendering possibilities without giving up 
looking like ordinary buttons. The typical case is a button with an icon 
on it.


http://www.packagekit.org/img/kpk-confirm.png for example.

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[WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Bob Schwartz
I have questions regarding two types of meta tags, Dublin Core and  
geo.position:


1. Dublin Core: I have only been able to find older studies (2000)  
regarding the possible improvement in search engine positioning  
through the use of these tags. The conclusion in these olders studies  
was no significant imporvement, however they did go on to say that  
in the future these tags will play a more important role. Has that  
future arrived or are these tags essentialy still code bloat?


2. geo.position: According to Wikipedia geo.position tags help in  
returning regional search requests, or as they put it: It  
understandably makes little sense to look for a baker and find one who  
has his shop in a completely different town. If this is the case,  
then it would seem putting geo.position tags on a bed and breakfast  
site in Pisa, Italy that is trying to reach potential guests around  
the world would not be a good idea. Anyone have any experience or  
thoughts regarding these tags?


Thanks,

Bob Schwartz




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RE: [WSG] Code scan, complient to guidelines version 2.0

2009-02-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
 David Dorward

 I use siteSifter - http://www.sitesifter.co.uk/

With the usual caveat that automated testing tools can flag up false
positives and false negatives (for instance, on one site I just ran
through the free sitesifter service, it flagged the lack of
Content-Language in the HTTP header as a problem, while ignoring the
fact that the language is set with both lang=en and xml:lang=en in
the actual document).

Particularly in the case of the tech-agnostic WCAG 2, automated tools
can only really check the machine-checkable parts, and there only using
an interpretation of the WCAG 2 Techniques document for a specific
subset of technologies.

P

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Web Editor
Enterprise  Development
University of Salford
Room 113, Faraday House
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Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ben Dodson
I don't know about the Dublin Core issue but my gut feeling with  
geo.position and your example would be that of course the bed and  
breakfast in Pisa, Italy should have their location as the hotel will  
always be in the same place.  I think that you've looked at the issue  
from the wrong side in that you assume it would only show in regional  
searches (e.g. an italian search engine) whereas in actual fact it  
should show up in a global search for that region - e.g. if I search  
for hotels pisa italy I would expect it to show up as it's  
geo.position clearly states that is where it is and so the search  
engine can be 100% sure that it is in the area I'm looking for.


I haven't done any tests, etc, but that is what I would expect of the  
tag.  How much difference it makes in terms of SEO will be harder to  
gauge as I doubt that adding that tag will make you rank higher (as  
the search engines cater for the lowest possible denominator) but it  
should help in terms of specific search queries.


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On 24 Feb 2009, at 11:21, Bob Schwartz wrote:

I have questions regarding two types of meta tags, Dublin Core and  
geo.position:


1. Dublin Core: I have only been able to find older studies (2000)  
regarding the possible improvement in search engine positioning  
through the use of these tags. The conclusion in these olders  
studies was no significant imporvement, however they did go on to  
say that in the future these tags will play a more important role.  
Has that future arrived or are these tags essentialy still code  
bloat?


2. geo.position: According to Wikipedia geo.position tags help in  
returning regional search requests, or as they put it: It  
understandably makes little sense to look for a baker and find one  
who has his shop in a completely different town. If this is the  
case, then it would seem putting geo.position tags on a bed and  
breakfast site in Pisa, Italy that is trying to reach potential  
guests around the world would not be a good idea. Anyone have any  
experience or thoughts regarding these tags?


Thanks,

Bob Schwartz




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Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Bob Schwartz

Ben,

I think that you've looked at the issue from the wrong side in that  
you assume it would only show in regional searches (e.g. an italian  
search engine) whereas in actual fact it should show up in a global  
search for that region - e.g. if I search for hotels pisa italy I  
would expect it to show up as it's geo.position clearly states that  
is where it is and so the search engine can be 100% sure that it is  
in the area I'm looking for.


That's why I posted, to get another perspective - thanks - what you  
say makes perfect sense.



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Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Nick Fitzsimons

On Tue, February 24, 2009 10:57 am, David Dorward wrote:
 Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
 Actually, the specific purpose of the button is to allow one to have
 buttons that *don't* look like ordinary buttons:

 Buttons created with the BUTTON element function just like buttons
 created with the INPUT element, but they offer richer rendering
 possibilities: the BUTTON element may have content. 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-BUTTON

 No, you can have richer rendering possibilities without giving up
 looking like ordinary buttons. The typical case is a button with an icon
 on it.

 http://www.packagekit.org/img/kpk-confirm.png for example.


True; I didn't phrase that very well. The point I was really trying to
make is that to suggest that the value of the button element is that it
*looks* like a button is to miss the point; the point is that it *behaves*
like a button. In other words its purpose is to provide a specific kind of
functionality, not a specific kind of appearance.

Cheers,

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Re: [WSG] Classes---Adding multiple classes to an element, is there a downfall???

2009-02-24 Thread Brett Patterson
Yea, I would never consider allowing it on any project I am working on
either...I was actually asking because I have heard that it could be done,
but never really understood (maybe, come to think of it, heard) what the
downfalls were. I do, now, thanks to you and Russ Weakley.

--
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On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:17 AM, michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote:

  In my own personal opinion, if you get into the situation where you want
 to use a selector like:

 .class1.class2  { stuff }

 then it is time to do a little re-factoring. The whole point of allowing an
 element to have two or more classes is so that each class remains
 semantically logical. As you pointed out, it is legal to use a selector like
 the above, but I would never allow such code on any project I was working
 on. Worst case is you need to be more specific with your rules. Obviously,
 the cascade determines exactly which rule will win, but I would also be very
 wary of relying on source-order - it would be far too easy for you (or
 someone else) to decide to tidy up the stylesheet at some point and change
 the order of these two rules.

 Mike


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RE: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Ted Drake
You can see dublin core as well as RDF and microformatted information has
been indexed by yahoo when you use the BOSS api and/or build a SearchMonkey
application.
I don't know how  much it influences Yahoo's rankings, but it is being used
in building the index.
http://developer.yahoo.com/boss
http://developer.yahoo.com/searchmonkey
http://developer.yahoo.com/yql
 
Ted
 

  _  

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Behalf Of Ben Dodson
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:38 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] meta tag questions


I don't know about the Dublin Core issue but my gut feeling with
geo.position and your example would be that of course the bed and breakfast
in Pisa, Italy should have their location as the hotel will always be in the
same place.  I think that you've looked at the issue from the wrong side in
that you assume it would only show in regional searches (e.g. an italian
search engine) whereas in actual fact it should show up in a global search
for that region - e.g. if I search for hotels pisa italy I would expect it
to show up as it's geo.position clearly states that is where it is and so
the search engine can be 100% sure that it is in the area I'm looking for.


I haven't done any tests, etc, but that is what I would expect of the tag.
How much difference it makes in terms of SEO will be harder to gauge as I
doubt that adding that tag will make you rank higher (as the search engines
cater for the lowest possible denominator) but it should help in terms of
specific search queries. 

Ben

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On 24 Feb 2009, at 11:21, Bob Schwartz wrote:


I have questions regarding two types of meta tags, Dublin Core and
geo.position:

1. Dublin Core: I have only been able to find older studies (2000) regarding
the possible improvement in search engine positioning through the use of
these tags. The conclusion in these olders studies was no significant
imporvement, however they did go on to say that in the future these tags
will play a more important role. Has that future arrived or are these tags
essentialy still code bloat?

2. geo.position: According to Wikipedia geo.position tags help in returning
regional search requests, or as they put it: It understandably makes little
sense to look for a baker and find one who has his shop in a completely
different town. If this is the case, then it would seem putting
geo.position tags on a bed and breakfast site in Pisa, Italy that is trying
to reach potential guests around the world would not be a good idea. Anyone
have any experience or thoughts regarding these tags?

Thanks,

Bob Schwartz




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Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Andrew Maben

On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote:


 the point is that it *behaves*
like a button. In other words its purpose is to provide a specific  
kind of

functionality


and if I remember correctly, the functionality to be provided as  
originally stated was a link to a next page. I'd suggest that that  
specific functionality - linking - is adequately provided by the  
anchor tag, and it is inappropriate to use a button (of any kind) to  
provide that functionality.


(And I believe it's irrelevant that various screens specific to an OS  
use buttons to progress from screen to screen, e.g. MacOS's use of a  
Continue button during software installation. If it's a web site  
provide a consistent, standard *web* interface).


$0.02


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[WSG] Inserting text in IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Robin Gorry
Hi all.

 

My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility between 
IE versions. 
In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where the 
cursor is placed) using pasteHTML(). 

In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is highlighted and not when the cursor 
is placed. 

See here for very simple example. 

http://robing.xtools.co.nz/demo_cms/test_editor/ 

Any idea's why? 

Robin. 

 



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[WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Robin Gorry
 

Hi all.

 

My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility between 
IE versions. 
In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where the 
cursor is placed) using pasteHTML(). 

In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is highlighted and not when the cursor 
is placed. 

See here for very simple example. 

http://robing.xtools.co.nz/demo_cms/test_editor/ 

Any idea's why? 

Robin. 

 



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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-02-24 Thread Elle Meredith



On 24 Feb 2009, at 11:21, Bob Schwartz wrote:

1. Dublin Core: I have only been able to find older studies (2000)  
regarding
the possible improvement in search engine positioning through the  
use of

these tags. The conclusion in these olders studies was no significant
imporvement, however they did go on to say that in the future these  
tags
will play a more important role. Has that future arrived or are  
these tags

essentialy still code bloat?


The Dublib Core is only one of a few different metadata projects, such  
as Web Ontology Language (OWL), the Warwick Framework, Resource  
Description Framework (RDF) to name just a few. These metadata  
projects try to describe or represent knowledge.  The thirteen  
elements of the Dublin Core include familiar descriptive data such as  
author, title, and subject... but they are not enough. So the Warwick  
Framework aimed to expend on the Dublin Core.
How essential are they? Well, I remember that the  
webstandardsgroup.org used to  recommend using the DC metadata -- but  
last I checked they don't anymore.





2. geo.position: [snipped] Anyone have any experience or thoughts  
regarding these tags?




I recently looked into this. I think as with the above, no one  
standard has emerged just yet. Try and look into .gfx format and .kml  
format files.

But not sure if this is what you meant.

Some links to check out:
http://www.topografix.com/gpx.asp
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/
http://www.gpsbabel.org/


Elle


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Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Robert Turner




Hi Bob,

Bob Schwartz wrote:
2.
geo.position: According to Wikipedia geo.position tags help in
returning regional search requests, or as they put it: "It
understandably makes little sense to look for a baker and find one who
has his shop in a completely different town". If this is the case, then
it would seem putting geo.position tags on a bed and breakfast site in
Pisa, Italy that is trying to reach potential guests around the world
would not be a good idea. Anyone have any experience or thoughts
regarding these tags?
  
  

Does the geo ontology/schema also represent properties for longitude
and latitude? I wrote a geospacial inferencing engine a while back for
inferring distances between points using the great circle method. From
memory, I think it used the geo schema.

If it is for a web page, also look at using an 'ICBM' meta tag (eg.
meta name="ICBM" content="12.345, -67.890" / ).


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Re: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Peter Dolkens
Dunno about your IE problems, but it doesn't work in firefox at all.

Inserting text from the clipboard has always been an issue between browsers,
and it was proven a while back that IE browsers could be exploited to steal
passwords etc that you copy to your clipboard by pasting the clipboard into
hidden regions and posting them back to a server.

I'm going to go ahead and say that this is Microsofts attempt to keep the
poeple that found this exploit happy, or at least squash the bad press a
little bit.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Robin Gorry rob...@xplore.net wrote:



 Hi all.



 My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility
 between IE versions.
 In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where
 the cursor is placed) using pasteHTML().

 In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is highlighted and not when the
 cursor is placed.

 See here for very simple example.

 http://robing.xtools.co.nz/demo_cms/test_editor/

 Any idea's why?

 Robin.



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RE: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Robin Gorry
Hi Peter,

 

The example I linked to is IE only the way IE handles text ranges is 
fundamentally different than the w3c model that ff opera and the webkit 
browsers use.

 

That doesn't really add up that this is a security fix because I wouldn't be 
able to highlight text and pasted it in, it is only when you place your cursor 
and try and paste in then.

 

Like I said it worked fine in ie6 and 7 so I have submitted it to Microsoft as 
a bug. We'll see what happens

 

Robin 

 

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Peter Dolkens
Sent: 25 February 2009 15:56
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

 

Dunno about your IE problems, but it doesn't work in firefox at all.

Inserting text from the clipboard has always been an issue between browsers, 
and it was proven a while back that IE browsers could be exploited to steal 
passwords etc that you copy to your clipboard by pasting the clipboard into 
hidden regions and posting them back to a server.

I'm going to go ahead and say that this is Microsofts attempt to keep the 
poeple that found this exploit happy, or at least squash the bad press a little 
bit.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Robin Gorry rob...@xplore.net wrote:

 

Hi all.

 

My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility between 
IE versions. 
In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where the 
cursor is placed) using pasteHTML(). 

In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is highlighted and not when the cursor 
is placed. 

See here for very simple example. 

http://robing.xtools.co.nz/demo_cms/test_editor/ 

Any idea's why? 

Robin. 

 


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Re: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Katrina

Robin Gorry wrote:
 


Hi all.

 

My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility between IE versions. 
In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where the cursor is placed) using pasteHTML(). 

In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is highlighted and not when the cursor is placed. 

See here for very simple example. 

http://robing.xtools.co.nz/demo_cms/test_editor/ 

Any idea's why? 

Robin. 

 


I don't know a lot about ranges, but I hope this article from PPK might 
help you.


http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/range_intro.html

This is the WSG list, so it is reasonable to accept that the list 
members would promote the W3C DOM method of going about getting the 
range, rather than via proprietary methods.


Does look as though this is cutting edge stuff :)

Kat



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RE: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

2009-02-24 Thread Robin Gorry
 

Thanks Katrina,

For any javascript problems the first place I look is quriksmode.com. 
unfortunatly if you want to support IE you have to fork your code ie one 
section for IE one for the rest.

All I can put this down to is a bug in ie 8 rc1.


Robin 

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Katrina
Sent: 25 February 2009 16:39
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

Robin Gorry wrote:
  
 
 Hi all.
 
  
 
 My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility between 
 IE versions. 
 In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where 
 the cursor is placed) using pasteHTML(). 
 
 In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is highlighted and not when the 
 cursor is placed. 
 
 See here for very simple example. 
 
 http://robing.xtools.co.nz/demo_cms/test_editor/ 
 
 Any idea's why? 
 
 Robin. 
 
  

I don't know a lot about ranges, but I hope this article from PPK might 
help you.

http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/range_intro.html

This is the WSG list, so it is reasonable to accept that the list 
members would promote the W3C DOM method of going about getting the 
range, rather than via proprietary methods.

Does look as though this is cutting edge stuff :)

Kat



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Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Bob Schwartz

Hi Robert.

Does the geo ontology/schema also represent properties for longitude  
and latitude? I wrote a geospacial inferencing engine a while back  
for inferring distances between points using the great circle  
method. From memory, I think it used the geo schema.


If it is for a web page, also look at using an 'ICBM' meta tag (eg.  
meta name=ICBM content=12.345, -67.890 / ).


Yes and the ICBM is part of them. As best I can tell a complete set  
looks like this:


meta name=geo.placename content=loc. Amerique, 10, 11020 Quart,  
Aosta (Valle d'Aosta), Italy

meta name=geo.position content=45.740005;7.368822
meta name=geo.region content=IT-Valle d'Aosta
meta name=ICBM content=45.740005, 7.368822


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Re: [WSG] meta tag questions

2009-02-24 Thread Robert Turner




Thanks Bob,

I've dug up some old java code that contained a snippet from the geo
schema I used (in a javadoc comment). Here it is:

  /**
...
 * pRDF Vocabulary for describing points:
 * code
 * rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
 *   xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#"
 *   geo:Point
 * geo:lat54.5722/geo:lat
 * geo:long0.014024/geo:long
 *   /geo:Point
 * /rdf:RDF
 *
 * (eg. geo:Point geo:lat="54.5722" geo:long="0.014024"/ )
 * /code
...
*/
  

I hope this helps you out. 

Cheers,
Rob


Bob Schwartz wrote:
Hi
Robert.
  
  
  Does the geo ontology/schema also represent
properties for longitude and latitude? I wrote a geospacial inferencing
engine a while back for inferring distances between points using the
great circle method. From memory, I think it used the geo schema.


If it is for a web page, also look at using an 'ICBM' meta tag (eg.
meta name="ICBM" content="12.345, -67.890" / ).

  
  
Yes and the ICBM is part of them. As best I can tell a complete set
looks like this:
  
  
meta name="geo.placename" content="loc. Amerique, 10, 11020 Quart,
Aosta (Valle d'Aosta), Italy"
  
meta name="geo.position" content="45.740005;7.368822"
  
meta name="geo.region" content="IT-Valle d'Aosta"
  
meta name="ICBM" content="45.740005, 7.368822"
  
  
  
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