Re: [WSG] Safari Beta 4

2009-03-02 Thread tee
On Mar 1, 2009, at 3:57 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Without that rule, empty thumbnail box is still clickable. Not quite so easy, it seems. Note that what you see as empty thumbnail boxes in Safari (without the extra CSS rule) aren't necessarily empty. Those images are just blown up so

[WSG] Javascript Accessibility

2009-03-02 Thread David Dixon
Interesting blog entry by the creators of the Cappuccino project (http://cappuccino.org) on the subject on Web Accessibility vs JavaScript Availability: http://rossboucher.com/2009/02/26/accessibility-degradation-in-cappuccino Personally im in favour of the distinction he makes, but the

Re: [WSG] Safari Beta 4

2009-03-02 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
tee wrote: By the way, Google Chorme behaves as Safari does. Not during my testing, but that may be conditional. Conditional is problematic since that mean behavior may change with factors like OS and connection speed = highly unreliable. Tested Chrome, OmniWeb and Arora - all complete

RE: [WSG] Javascript Accessibility

2009-03-02 Thread michael.brockington
David, I think you are reading things differently to me. I don't know the authors true intention, but I read his words as being a call for anyone who wants to see ARIA implemented to join their team, not necessarily someone who is on the ARIA team. I do also agree with the sentiments though -

Re: [WSG] Javascript Accessibility

2009-03-02 Thread Mathew Robertson
David Dixon da...@terrainferno.net wrote: Interesting blog entry by the creators of the Cappuccino project (http://cappuccino.org) on the subject on Web Accessibility vs JavaScript Availability: http://rossboucher.com/2009/02/26/accessibility-degradation-in-cappuccino

Re: [WSG] Javascript Accessibility

2009-03-02 Thread David Dixon
michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote: David, I think you are reading things differently to me. I don't know the authors true intention, but I read his words as being a call for anyone who wants to see ARIA implemented to join their team, not necessarily someone who is on the ARIA team. Thanks

Re: [WSG] Javascript Accessibility

2009-03-02 Thread David Dixon
Mathew Robertson wrote: Its been possible to do ARIA style accessibility since about 1995 - its just now that people are starting to care. Mathew Robertson Before this question gets sidetracked, the request was for opinion on the position of the distinction of accessibility vs

RE: [WSG] Javascript Accessibility - ARIA

2009-03-02 Thread Foskett, Mike
Dude, that's a little unrealistic and a tad bitter: Its been possible to do ARIA style accessibility since about 1995 - its just now that people are starting to care. Personally I've been waiting for ARIA to come of age now both assistive technologies and browsers offer support. With the

Re: [WSG] Javascript Accessibility

2009-03-02 Thread Matt Morgan-May
On 3/2/09 2:02 AM, Mathew Robertson mat...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Its been possible to do ARIA style accessibility since about 1995 - its just now that people are starting to care. Not sure what value you were hoping to add to the conversation, but MSAA, the Windows accessibility API, didn't

Re: [WSG] Javascript Accessibility

2009-03-02 Thread David Dixon
Guys please, move this to a different topic, this ARIA issue has now clouded the original question. David -- David Dixon t: 07967 569 489 e: da...@digitaloasis.co.uk linkedin | http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidjdixon twitter | http://twitter.com/daviddixon Matt Morgan-May wrote: As someone

Re: [WSG] Javascript Accessibility

2009-03-02 Thread Al Sparber
On 3/2/09 2:02 AM, Mathew Robertson mat...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Its been possible to do ARIA style accessibility since about 1995 - its just now that people are starting to care. But ARIA, as deployed by companies like Yahoo with its ARIA Menu [1] is very nice, but with JavaScript disabled

Re: [WSG] The notion of accessibility [was: Javascript Accessibility]

2009-03-02 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Matt Morgan-May wrote: Look at the Atlas project that was unveiled this week, as an example. ref? -- Hassan Schroeder - has...@webtuitive.com Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code.

Re: [WSG] The notion of accessibility [was: Javascript Accessibility]

2009-03-02 Thread Matt Morgan-May
On 3/2/09 3:15 PM, Hassan Schroeder has...@webtuitive.com wrote: Matt Morgan-May wrote: Look at the Atlas project that was unveiled this week, as an example. ref? http://www.280atlas.com/ One of the developers is actually talking about ARIA right now:

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2009-03-02 Thread info
I am currently out of the office running a training course returning the morning of the 04/03/2009. For technical assitance please contact Anthony Johnston - anthony.johns...@spotlessdesign.com I will have limited access to email but will try to respond to your enquiry. If your enquiry is

Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Blake
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote: Google Chrome now amounts to over half the traffic on these sites. Wow, that's the first time I've seen Chrome over 4%. Why are these stats so scewed, if I may ask? -- Blake http://www.blakehaswell.com/

[WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Mike Kear
For the first time since I started building web sites, IE is not the most prominent server on my two highest traffic sites. Google Chrome now amounts to over half the traffic on these sites. Not sure what that means for us as web developers, but it would certainly be significant for Microsoft

RE: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Mike Kear
Oops.There's a senior moment. Of course I mean IE is not the highest traffic BROWSER on these two sites of mine, not SERVER. Sorry. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd

Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread James Ducker
How big is the sample? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote: For the first time since I started building web sites, IE is not the most prominent server on my two highest traffic sites. Google Chrome now amounts to over half the traffic on these sites. Not

Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Nick Cowie
My blog has similar stats except it is Firefox over 50%, Safari about 10%, and Chrome around 5% I am thinking somehow Chrome and Firefox got swap around somehow? 2009/3/3 Blake haswel...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote: Google Chrome now amounts

Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Andrew Harris
hmmm - this is not reflected on our main site... from the past three days: 1. Internet Explorer 642,173 61.98% 2. Firefox 286,669 27.67% 3. Safari 89,030 8.59% 4. Chrome 11,195 1.08% which is, I imagine, par for a 'mainstream' site. --

Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread David Laakso
Mike Kear wrote: For the first time since I started building web sites, IE is not the most prominent server on my two highest traffic sites. There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. -- Benjamin Disraeli (1804 - 1881)

RE: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Mark Huppert
It's less than 1% this year at my site - a university library. regards Mark Mark Huppert Library Web Development Integrated Library Management System Coordinator Division of Information R.G. Menzies Building (#2) The Australian National University

Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mike Kear wrote: For the first time since I started building web sites, IE is not the most prominent browser on my two highest traffic sites. Of course other sites will have a different pattern, depending on the audience. Not entirely new, but much broader...

Re: [WSG] Safari Beta 4

2009-03-02 Thread Luke Hoggett
You tell 'em Dyre ;) Dyre Hult wrote: Opera 10 was unveiled already last year and do pass the web standards Acid 3 test. Safari 4 was unveiled this month. Both browsers are still in the dev stage, so I reckon Mr. Andrew Lyle was misinformed.

Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Nick Cowie
OK here are some other interesting stats from another major library site, IE7 rules and Chrome is 0.5% Browser Website IE7/IE6 Internet Explorer 86.88% (80/20) Firefox 9.29% Safari 2.17% Chrome0.47% Opera

Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Al Sparber
From: Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com OK here are some other interesting stats from another major library site, IE7 rules and Chrome is 0.5% Browser Website IE7/IE6 Internet Explorer 86.88% (80/20) Firefox 9.29% Safari 2.17%

[WSG] The notion of accessibility [was: Javascript Accessibility]

2009-03-02 Thread Mathew Robertson
On 3/2/09 2:02 AM, Mathew Robertson mat...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Its been possible to do ARIA style accessibility since about 1995 - its just now that people are starting to care. Matt Morgan-May matt...@adobe.com wrote: Not sure what value you were hoping to add to the conversation,

RE: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Mark Huppert
I don't where Nick is from, but part of the explanation in our case is hits from computer labs on campus. The biggest set of labs have IE, Firefox and Safari but Chrome is not in the build. I would humbly suggest that a blog site for geeks will naturally get lots hits from the latest

Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

2009-03-02 Thread Al Sparber
From: Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com OK here are some other interesting stats from another major library site, IE7 rules and Chrome is 0.5% Browser Website IE7/IE6 Internet Explorer 86.88% (80/20) Firefox 9.29% Safari 2.17%