RE: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread michael.brockington
Personally, I think there should have been a companion article explaining why designers can't write code. This is a classic example: the whole point of setting the base font size to this value is to make the maths easier when sizing all other font rules; but that itself exposes the fact that the

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/04/24 12:47 (GMT+0300) Rimantas Liubertas composed: And there is NOTHING wrong with pixel sizes. On the contrary, everything is wrong with pixel sizing fonts, because any size in px totally disregards the size the visitor has set in his browser prefs, and thus cannot be expected to be

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread jason
My point was that sizing to 62.5% is to make it easy to convert from pixels to ems. Who cares about 'easy pixel conversion'? Make it look good and accessible no matter what numbers you are using. Pixels are no good and % can be misleading. I personally stick to ems on everything. --Original

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread daniel a. thornbury
On 24/04/2009, at 7:47 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: And there is NOTHING wrong with pixel sizes. On 2009/04/24 12:47 (GMT+0300) Rimantas Liubertas composed: On the contrary, everything is wrong with pixel sizing fonts, because any size in px totally disregards the size the visitor has set

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread jason
Font sizes should be judged by eye and tested with users to see if they can be read and look pleasing. Whether the font is 12px or 13px should be irrelevant. You have to final judgement by eye and resets will just add extra code to pages and make firebug work trickier. --Original

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
Personally, I think there should have been a companion article explaining why designers can't write code. That would be the very wrong article. This is a classic example: the whole point of setting the base font size to this value is to make the maths easier when sizing all other font

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread tee
On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:21 AM, michael.brocking...@bt.com michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote: Personally, I think there should have been a companion article explaining why designers can't write code. And they love to say there is a good reason why developers shouldn't touch design :-)

RE: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread michael.brockington
Tee, My original comment was meant to be taken light-heartedly, but was also taken in direct response to the article quoted by CK: Why Programmers Suck at CSS Design http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/169/ Your comment itself seems to be contradicting itself: If developers _are_

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread Jason Grant
CSS coder, JS coder, PHP coder and designer should all be very familiar with accessibility principles. Developing non-accessible systems is like making a family car which can only drive on tarmac surface, but as soon as it hits anything else grinds to a holt. That's just plain old wrong. This year

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread Jason Grant
If a developer is able to do something about making interfaces work well in non standards compliant user agent without breaking standards, they should absolutely do so. Most of the time this requires little or no work at all. Font sizing is a simple issue and it is easy to cater for all user

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread Brett Patterson
Getting back on subject, I do not think the box model has been fixed in IE7, but I do not know for sure. You might try adding margin for separation with containing div tags in browsers. -- Brett P. Is the box model in IE7 still messed up? I thought they sorted it? I am floating a div to the

pixel-font sizing/definition [was: [WSG] Box model in IE7]

2009-04-24 Thread Mathew Robertson
Joe Clarke gave a great presentation on this at @media 2007 titled When Web Accessibility Is Not Your Problem, notes available here: http://joeclark.org/appearances/atmedia2007/#fonts This was an intriguing article... some of the points were fairly well reasoned (while others were just

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
Getting back on subject, I do not think the box model has been fixed in IE7, but I do not know for sure. You might try adding margin for separation with containing div tags in browsers. Once again: box model was fixed in IE6, given your page has proper doctype (and nothing above it).

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread Brett Patterson
Well, good deal then. :) -- Brett P. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Rimantas Liubertas riman...@gmail.comwrote: Getting back on subject, I do not think the box model has been fixed in IE7, but I do not know for sure. You might try adding margin for separation with containing div

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread Stevio
I am using the following doctype: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; Correct me if I'm wrong but this switches on standards-compliant mode doesn't it? I'll maybe need to strip down my web page to try and work

Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7

2009-04-24 Thread David Hucklesby
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: We were told in the past by a massive client that for accessibility purposes font sizes needed to be set to 74% as a minimum as the basic reading size below which it's a straign on the eyes. To answer the O.P. question about IE box sizing-- I think the issue has