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Hi, At the bottom of the site , I have a client list which shows the client logos horizondally. Could any one tell me which is the best markup to show that.. just put all the images inside a div or p tag :- divimg src= img src= img src= img src= img src= /divor as a list ulliimg src= /liliimg src= /liliimg src= /li/ul thanks a lot regardsnavii _ Planning the weekend ? Here’s what is happening in your town. http://msn.asklaila.com/events/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG]
On 04.05.2009 at 10:05 Uhr, naveenbhas...@live.in (Naveen Bhaskar) wrote: Hi, At the bottom of the site , I have a client list which shows the client logos horizondally. Could any one tell me which is the best markup to show that.. just put all the images inside a div or p tag :- divimg src= img src= img src= img src= img src= /divor as a list ulliimg src= /liliimg src= /liliimg src= /li/ul Hello - Semantically you would go for a list, as it is a list of client logos you put there. Make sure to specifiy an alt in the img tag. Style in CSS, etc. etc. :) T. -- Tobias Horvath http://tobyx.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Mysterious background dis-appearing
Hello all, I was wondering if anyone would know why the background on our site is initially not there and after a few refreshes it appears and then doesn't go away anymore (which is just how I would like it from the start). Website http://www.executiveresults.com.au/index.cfm Thanks in advance Kind regards, Taco Fleur (Marketing) _ Boot Camps, Personal Training, Corporate Sport Events and Fitness Holidays www.executiveresults.com.au http://www.executiveresults.com.au/ www.bootcampthailand.com http://www.bootcampthailand.com/ This email (which includes any attachments) has been sent on behalf of Executive Results or its Associated Entities. The information contained in this communication may be privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this communication is expressly prohibited. If you have received this E-mail in error, please delete it immediately. Clickfind does not warrant or represent that this E-mail (including any attached files) is free from electronic viruses, faults or defects. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Mysterious background dis-appearing
the background image may have been afraid that Colonel Anna was gonna break him in two. :) Are you seeing this in any particular browser? it looked ok in my firefox. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Browser toolbars
Good morning all, I have a quick question regarding browser toolbars and functionality. I have a client who is requesting a web application (online form) be built where they will lose some if not all browser navigation control and functionality, much like you would see on a Internet banking page. I'm against the idea personally but wanted to find out if there are any such standards out there that strongly encourage you keep these on your web page for usability and accessibility reasons. Finally, they wanted to the URL to be hidden as well, surely this is not recommended?? I'd appreciate any help on these questions, Cheers Frog *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Mysterious background dis-appearing
Hi, Yes, you might well be right and the Col. scared the image away ;-) the background image may have been afraid that Colonel Anna was gonna break him in two. :) Are you seeing this in any particular browser? it looked ok in my firefox. The problem appeared on any page at http://www.executiveresults.com.au/ http://www.executiveresults.com.au/ in IE7, Firefox3 and IE6, I tried IE6 on another machine than mine. And the white under the logo just wasn't there until doing a few refreshes, I now noticed that was not the only thing, the image replacement also did not work initially. It's almost as if the browser did not see part of the stylesheet. I say part as it must see some of it as there is a layout. I don't understand how a refresh could fix it, the whole stylesheet is either not there at all, or its there, not just a little bit... Kind regards, _ Find Australian businesses, products and services on http://www.clickfind.com.au/ www.clickfind.com.au www.onlineadvertisingplatform.com.au http://www.onlineadvertisingplatform.com.au/ Blog: http://australiansearchengine.wordpress.com http://australiansearchengine.wordpress.com/ This email (which includes any attachments) has been sent on behalf of Commerce Engine Pty Ltd or its Associated Entities (hereinafter called clickfind). The information contained in this communication may be privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this communication is expressly prohibited. If you have received this E-mail in error, please delete it immediately. Clickfind does not warrant or represent that this E-mail (including any attached files) is free from electronic viruses, faults or defects. Confidentiality and legal privilege are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. For more information about use, disclosure and access see our privacy policy at http://www.clickfind.com.au/privacy-policy.cfm P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Browser toolbars
On Tue, 5 May 2009, Frogspoon wrote: Good morning all, I have a quick question regarding browser toolbars and functionality. I have a client who is requesting a web application (online form) be built where they will lose some if not all browser navigation control and functionality, much like you would see on a Internet banking page. I've never lost navigation control or functionality on a banking web page, and I would complain loudly if I did. Browser toolbars are not under the control of the web page, nor should they be. I'm against the idea personally but wanted to find out if there are any such standards out there that strongly encourage you keep these on your web page for usability and accessibility reasons. Browser toolbars are not part of a web page. Finally, they wanted to the URL to be hidden as well, surely this is not recommended?? It doesn't matter whether it is recommended or not; it is impossible. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Browser toolbars
sigh! I'll let others answer your main question. But as for the invisible URL, you might point out that this will make it all the easier for phishers to fake the site. And anyway, AFIK the URL will still be available in the browser's history. BTW, has anyone come up with a bulletproof way to tell a client his stupid idea is stupid? Without losing the account? Andrew Sent from my iPod On May 4, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Frogspoon frogspoo...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all, I have a quick question regarding browser toolbars and functionality. I have a client who is requesting a web application (online form) be built where they will lose some if not all browser navigation control and functionality, much like you would see on a Internet banking page. I'm against the idea personally but wanted to find out if there are any such standards out there that strongly encourage you keep these on your web page for usability and accessibility reasons. Finally, they wanted to the URL to be hidden as well, surely this is not recommended?? I'd appreciate any help on these questions, Cheers Frog *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Browser toolbars
I have a quick question regarding browser toolbars and functionality. I have a client who is requesting a web application (online form) be built where they will lose some if not all browser navigation control and functionality, much like you would see on a Internet banking page. I'm against the idea personally but wanted to find out if there are any such standards out there that strongly encourage you keep these on your web page for usability and accessibility reasons. Finally, they wanted to the URL to be hidden as well, surely this is not recommended?? I have to admit it's a long time since I actually looked up supporting articles etc on this topic... messing with the browser chrome has been considered a bad idea for a long time (and thanks to a certain new browser, searching for articles about browser chromes has become exceedingly irritating). Banks are holdouts but I wouldn't be taking any web dev/usability leads from that industry ;) Usability and user relations suggest that interfering with the user's browser (tantamount to attacking their OS in the modern day) is a really bad idea. It's a huge breach of trust in an increasingly trust-based economy - if people can't trust you online, why would they trust you offline? Hiding the URL just suggests you're trying to do something dodgy and in Opera at least the browser makes it trivially simple to reopen the toolbars etc. I wouldn't be surprised if browsers simply stopped letting pages hide toolbars and URLs altogether, now that they use the URL bar for important status and security information. The other point I'd have to make is that removing these functions doesn't do anything positive for the web app. People can still click back (right click), refresh (f5), etc... you're not preventing any undesirable user interactions that might cause problems for a web app. It's unclear what benefit the client thinks they're getting. From the accessibility point of view, it's not acceptable to mess with the user's equipment. The browser is controlled by the user (it's not part of the page after all), who will have learned their setup and may be significantly annoyed and disoriented if your site changes it. Not sure if those points will help convince your client to leave the browser alone, but if you haven't already made those arguments maybe they'll help. Essentially they need to ask themselves: do I want my website to behave like it's a phishing scam? cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Browser toolbars
I'm all ears, please inform On May 4, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Andrew Maben wrote: BTW, has anyone come up with a bulletproof way to tell a client his stupid idea is stupid? Without losing the account? CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Browser toolbars
I typically go with I highly recommend against that because and give the reasons why. And keep your written and/or spoken tone as respectful and polite as possible. That said, it doesn't always sway them. My 10 years in this field sometimes means nothing to those that are hard-headed enough. In situations where they won't go with your recommendation...then its up to you to decide if you're willing to do it or not. Janice -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of CK Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:35 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser toolbars I'm all ears, please inform On May 4, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Andrew Maben wrote: BTW, has anyone come up with a bulletproof way to tell a client his stupid idea is stupid? Without losing the account? CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Browser toolbars
Besides it being bad form, the only standard I know of that even mentions manipulating the browser chrome is the WCAG Samurai Errata for Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 1.0. Specifically * Do not cause pop-ups or other windows to appear and do not change the current window without informing the user. Kind Regards, Kane Tapping Web Standards Developer Information Services Griffith University. 4111. Australia. k.tapp...@griffith.edu.au Phone: +61 (0)7 3735 7630 From: Frogspoon frogspoo...@gmail.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: 05/05/2009 08:51 AM Subject: [WSG] Browser toolbars Good morning all, I have a quick question regarding browser toolbars and functionality. I have a client who is requesting a web application (online form) be built where they will lose some if not all browser navigation control and functionality, much like you would see on a Internet banking page. I'm against the idea personally but wanted to find out if there are any such standards out there that strongly encourage you keep these on your web page for usability and accessibility reasons. Finally, they wanted to the URL to be hidden as well, surely this is not recommended?? I'd appreciate any help on these questions, Cheers Frog *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***