[WSG] accessible free web hosting account
hi. looking for a free web hosting account that can handle side scripting, able to use such technologies as visual web developer, sql server, visualbasic, java script,etc. i am in devonport, tasmania, australia. i do not have a credit card, so a paid account is out of the question. i am a blind web site designer, using the jaws for windows screen reader from http://www.freedomscientific.com so if any one can help out and recommend a good one which also has plenty of large space. and using windows vista, let me know. cheers Marvin. E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn: startrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Outlook 2010
Nathan de Vries writed: In other words, Microsoft are effectively creating their own HTML- email standard, authorable and viewable in Microsoft tools only. So, what else is new? :o) -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://blog.dwacon.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Outlook 2010
Indeed. Here's Microsoft's 'totally up-themselves' response. I'm sure they'd welcome comments ;) http://blogs.msdn.com/outlook/archive/2009/06/24/the-power-of-word-in-outlook.aspx On 25/06/2009, at 4:37 PM, Conyers, Dwayne wrote: Nathan de Vries writed: In other words, Microsoft are effectively creating their own HTML- email standard, authorable and viewable in Microsoft tools only. So, what else is new? :o) -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://blog.dwacon.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Rendering difference between Strict Transitional doctypes in FF, IE8 Safari
Damian Edwards wrote: [...] It only affects a few elements on the page (see links below) and is driving us mental. We need to serve this page as transitional as it uses a 3rd party service that requires an iframe. ... I don't see anything in the W3C recommendations that forbids frames of any kind? Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Rendering difference between Strict Transitional doctypes in FF, IE8 Safari
David Hucklesby wrote: I don't see anything in the W3C recommendations that forbids frames of any kind? http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/elements.html clearly marks iframe as a feature of the Loose (AKA transitional) DTD. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account
Marvin Hunkin wrote: looking for a free web hosting account that can handle side scripting, able to use such technologies as visual web developer, sql server, visualbasic, java script,etc. [...] so if any one can help out and recommend a good one which also has plenty of large space. and using windows vista, let me know. Hi Marvin, I have used a couple of free hosting accounts. Neither lasted very long. Unless you are prepared for the hassle of moving hosts on a frequent basis, I suggest you avoid free hosts. Have you considered setting up your own computer as a server? This may sound ambitious, but you would get exactly the set-up you need. From what I see when searching for hosting, Windows hosting is often more costly than Unix, and certainly more rare. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
Hello all! I have updated my best practice table at http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements/ I've switched from XHTML to HTML and I've added an experimental layout with rotated column headers in Firefox 3.5 (JS required, but progressive enhancement is used). Please report any content issues. Please report any problems in FFox 3.5. Known issue: The checkmarks (✓) do not work in MSIE or Webkit based browsers. It does not make the table less understandable though. -- Keryx Web (Lars Gunther) http://keryx.se/ http://twitter.com/itpastorn/ http://itpastorn.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
This is very useful. Thanks! -- I made magic once. Now, the sofa is gone. http://blog.dwacon.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
Thanks! very handy =] Keryx Web wrote: Hello all! I have updated my best practice table at http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements/ I've switched from XHTML to HTML and I've added an experimental layout with rotated column headers in Firefox 3.5 (JS required, but progressive enhancement is used). Please report any content issues. Please report any problems in FFox 3.5. Known issue: The checkmarks (✓) do not work in MSIE or Webkit based browsers. It does not make the table less understandable though. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
Very useful! ...but I would love the PDF or ODT versions to be available so I can print it up to stick onto the wall for quick-reference (and to make me look a little smarter)... On 26/06/2009, at 5:28 AM, Keryx Web wrote: Hello all! I have updated my best practice table at http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements/ I've switched from XHTML to HTML and I've added an experimental layout with rotated column headers in Firefox 3.5 (JS required, but progressive enhancement is used). Please report any content issues. Please report any problems in FFox 3.5. Known issue: The checkmarks (✓) do not work in MSIE or Webkit based browsers. It does not make the table less understandable though. -- Keryx Web (Lars Gunther) http://keryx.se/ http://twitter.com/itpastorn/ http://itpastorn.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
2009/6/25 Keryx Web webmas...@keryx.se: Known issue: The checkmarks (✓) do not work in MSIE or Webkit based browsers. What?! Something doesn't work in MSIE? I'm shocked. Seriously, when will the Calc version be available? -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
daniel a. thornbury wrote: Very useful! ...but I would love the PDF or ODT versions to be available so I can print it up to stick onto the wall for quick-reference (and to make me look a little smarter)... What Daniel is trying to say, Lars, is that the links are 404ing. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet
This file gives me 482 errors and 6 warnings from the W3C parser plugin for Firefox. Adobe Acrobat was unable to parse it. regards Mark Mark Huppert Library Web Development Integrated Library Management System Coordinator Division of Information R.G. Menzies Building (#2) The Australian National University ACTON ACT 0200 T: +61 02 6125 2752 F: +61 02 6125 4063 W: http://anulib.anu.edu.au/about/ CRICOS Provider #00120C -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Keryx Web Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 5:29 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] My best practice HTML sheet Hello all! I have updated my best practice table at http://keryx.se/resources/html-elements/ I've switched from XHTML to HTML and I've added an experimental layout with rotated column headers in Firefox 3.5 (JS required, but progressive enhancement is used). Please report any content issues. Please report any problems in FFox 3.5. Known issue: The checkmarks (✓) do not work in MSIE or Webkit based browsers. It does not make the table less understandable though. -- Keryx Web (Lars Gunther) http://keryx.se/ http://twitter.com/itpastorn/ http://itpastorn.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account
Hi Marvin and everyone else, I have been doing some research into web site accessibility and I would be interested to know a little bit about your experiences of using a screen reader and also if there are any designers out there that have experience of designing for, or using a screen reader. At the recent WSG meeting at the Australian museum I met a designer who had just spent days trying to design a site to make it usable by colour blind users. A much better solution may be for colour blind users to tweak the colours of their operating system so that everything on their computer displays correctly. This also means the user can fine tune the displayed colours to cater for their exact type of colour deficiency. I have heard of software that does this, but it does not seem to be that successful. I guess this is a similar concept to a screen reader that works at the level of the operating system rather than on a website by website basis. I would be interested to know of your experiences of using the web - are there some sites that work fine and others that are terrible? Can you tell if the designer has taken the time to consider screen readers? Are there lots of differences between different screen readers? Your other point about free hosting eludes to another uncomfortable issue - whilst a lot of things on the web are cheap, they are not free. I guess that in many cases a screen reader compromises your use of the internet, possibly making you less likely to return revenue to the companies that are paying for everything to be online. Most people would love to make every website 100% accessible to everyone. However, if it costs a lot of time and money, but returns very little revenue from the small number of users with screen readers, then why should companies bother? In effect this is asking the majority of people without screen readers to subsidise the users with screen readers. Maybe this is the best thing to do, but I think we would all benefit from some discussion on the issue. I should probably mention that I am primarily a flex/flash developer creating very visual sites that I doubt would work at all with a screen reader. But unlike every flash/flex developer I have met, I am very interested in accessibility, SEO, and standards. Thanks, Andy -- a...@universalsprout.com Andrew Stewart London :: +44(0)7900 245 789 Sydney :: +61(0)416 607 113 www.universalsprout.com :: websites that sprout On 25 Jun 2009, at 16:56, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. looking for a free web hosting account that can handle side scripting, able to use such technologies as visual web developer, sql server, visualbasic, java script,etc. i am in devonport, tasmania, australia. i do not have a credit card, so a paid account is out of the question. i am a blind web site designer, using the jaws for windows screen reader from http://www.freedomscientific.com so if any one can help out and recommend a good one which also has plenty of large space. and using windows vista, let me know. cheers Marvin. E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn: startrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/ JawsOz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account
Andrew Stewart wrote: Most people would love to make every website 100% accessible to everyone. However, if it costs a lot of time and money, but returns very little revenue from the small number of users with screen readers, then why should companies bother? Andrew, I don't wish it upon anyone but suppose you developed a need to use assistive software in the future. How would you feel about designers and developers not following standards that allow you to continue using the web? A site that is accessible using assistive technology is (by nature) more accessible to its wider audience. So everyone wins. Not just users of assistive technology. Besides, Australian law makes web accessibility a mandatory requirement. Have you heard of the Bruce Maguire vs. SOCOG (Sydney Organising Committee for the Olympic Games) case of 1999? Bruce Maguire complained to the HREOC that the website of the Sydney Olympic Games' organising committee was not accessible as per the provisions of DDA, 1992. The commission declared in August 2000, only a few weeks before the inauguration of Sydney Olympics (15th Sept. 2000), that the complainant had been discriminated against and ordered the SOCOG to make certain access provisions to be complete before the inaugural date. SOCOG failed to comply with this order and hence in November 2000, the HREOC fined the SOCOG a sum of Australian $20,000. Regards, Craig -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Stewart Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 1:15 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account Hi Marvin and everyone else, I have been doing some research into web site accessibility and I would be interested to know a little bit about your experiences of using a screen reader and also if there are any designers out there that have experience of designing for, or using a screen reader. At the recent WSG meeting at the Australian museum I met a designer who had just spent days trying to design a site to make it usable by colour blind users. A much better solution may be for colour blind users to tweak the colours of their operating system so that everything on their computer displays correctly. This also means the user can fine tune the displayed colours to cater for their exact type of colour deficiency. I have heard of software that does this, but it does not seem to be that successful. I guess this is a similar concept to a screen reader that works at the level of the operating system rather than on a website by website basis. I would be interested to know of your experiences of using the web - are there some sites that work fine and others that are terrible? Can you tell if the designer has taken the time to consider screen readers? Are there lots of differences between different screen readers? Your other point about free hosting eludes to another uncomfortable issue - whilst a lot of things on the web are cheap, they are not free. I guess that in many cases a screen reader compromises your use of the internet, possibly making you less likely to return revenue to the companies that are paying for everything to be online. Most people would love to make every website 100% accessible to everyone. However, if it costs a lot of time and money, but returns very little revenue from the small number of users with screen readers, then why should companies bother? In effect this is asking the majority of people without screen readers to subsidise the users with screen readers. Maybe this is the best thing to do, but I think we would all benefit from some discussion on the issue. I should probably mention that I am primarily a flex/flash developer creating very visual sites that I doubt would work at all with a screen reader. But unlike every flash/flex developer I have met, I am very interested in accessibility, SEO, and standards. Thanks, Andy -- a...@universalsprout.com Andrew Stewart London :: +44(0)7900 245 789 Sydney :: +61(0)416 607 113 www.universalsprout.com :: websites that sprout On 25 Jun 2009, at 16:56, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. looking for a free web hosting account that can handle side scripting, able to use such technologies as visual web developer, sql server, visualbasic, java script,etc. i am in devonport, tasmania, australia. i do not have a credit card, so a paid account is out of the question. i am a blind web site designer, using the jaws for windows screen reader from http://www.freedomscientific.com so if any one can help out and recommend a good one which also has plenty of large space. and using windows vista, let me know. cheers Marvin. E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn: startrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/ JawsOz/
Re: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account
On Jun 25, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Craig Henneberry wrote: then why should companies bother? Um - because companies are composed of people, and because ethics should be an important component of people's lives? AKA Because it's the right thing to do. Oh, and also because accessibility is mandated by law. Andrew Maben http://www.andrewmaben.net and...@andrewmaben.com In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account
Craig, thank you for your response, this is the kind of thing that I am after, however you did quote the most controversial part of me email without the following sentence that slightly moderated it. I do agree that having the web 100% accessible is the goal, but what is the best way of getting there? I assume that we are not there at the moment and rewriting all the content already there is not that practical. The web is moving into many complex areas of multimedia, for example should youtube be required by law to supply subtitles and voice-overs on all its videos? - maybe not, but where do you draw the line? For example there was a site I visited recently where you could control a dodgeball cannon with a webcam in real-time, firing at people in a warehouse somewhere in England. How would you suggest dealing with that site? It is clear that a publicly funded website like that for the Olympic Games should be accessible, but are you suggesting that the same rules should apply to a high-school student doing a website for a school project? - again another tough line to draw. The scale of the internet means that the Australian laws will only have a very small impact on the internet as a whole. Perhaps concentrating on improving assistive technology to cope with the varied state of the internet is a better solution than trying to improve the accessibility of websites. This would also make a lot of the content that is currently inaccessible accessible. Andy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account
Andrew Stewart said: It is clear that a publicly funded website like that for the Olympic Games should be accessible, but are you suggesting that the same rules should apply to a high-school student doing a website for a school project? - again another tough line to draw. The scale of the internet means that the Australian laws will only have a very small impact on the internet as a whole. The way the law is written is that a person has been entitled to lodge a complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission if they find a site inaccessible, be it SOCOG or the high school student's. Arbitration would ensue. More recently though the legislation has been amended so that a complainant can take a case directly to the state/territory Supreme Court. So, you won't go to jail for having an inaccessible site, but you could be required by the Court to make it accessible, as SOCOG was. But as previous poster Andrew said, it's the right thing to do. That's a good rule to follow. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account
Yes, so our best option is to get accessibility integrated early on in the development process. Obviously we are not going to re-write the web (unless Bruce Maguire goes to town on us). I don't believe that integrating accessibility into a project adds a significant cost to a project anyway. Especially when compared to the benefits of doing so. But I'm pretty sure it would add a significant overhead if it's done as a separate process at the end. Which is probably why SOCOG didn't bother. I think part of the issue is that to integrate accessibility into our projects and ensure that we are actually providing a benefit to the people who rely on it - we really need a panel of users with various vision, hearing, dexterity disabilities etc to test our work with... But most of us don't have that luxury. Craig -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Webb, KerryA Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 3:26 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account Andrew Stewart said: It is clear that a publicly funded website like that for the Olympic Games should be accessible, but are you suggesting that the same rules should apply to a high-school student doing a website for a school project? - again another tough line to draw. The scale of the internet means that the Australian laws will only have a very small impact on the internet as a whole. The way the law is written is that a person has been entitled to lodge a complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission if they find a site inaccessible, be it SOCOG or the high school student's. Arbitration would ensue. More recently though the legislation has been amended so that a complainant can take a case directly to the state/territory Supreme Court. So, you won't go to jail for having an inaccessible site, but you could be required by the Court to make it accessible, as SOCOG was. But as previous poster Andrew said, it's the right thing to do. That's a good rule to follow. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
