[WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
I think it's still necessary... These articles sum it up well. http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end_of_flexibility/ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, James Jeffery wrote: Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? Users don't want to change the type size; they set it at their preferred size and want to leave it there. Having to change it for different sites is a PITA! A well-designed site will work no matter what the user's font size (within a very wide range). I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Please remove me from these emails. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Paul Collins Sent: 18 August 2009 11:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? I think it's still necessary... These articles sum it up well. http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end _of_flexibility/ _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Dont just auto mail me back. Actually delete me From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Scott Andrews Sent: 18 August 2009 11:30 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Please remove me from these emails. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Paul Collins Sent: 18 August 2009 11:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? I think it's still necessary... These articles sum it up well. http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end _of_flexibility/ _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Scott Andrews wrote: Please remove me from these emails. Please remove yourself. The instructions are at the bottom of every message posted to the list. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Paul Collins Sent: 18 August 2009 11:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? I think it's still necessary... These articles sum it up well. http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end _of_flexibility/ _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
Remember device independence? So it's still important to design for large font-sizes. I believe i read somewhere that the WCAG 2 guidelines recommends up to 200% font scaling. That's Ctrl+ six times in Firefox. From a personal perspective. I need to have larger text to read articles and it annoys me when the whole page zooms and goes horizontally off the page. Mike. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: 18 August 2009 11:08 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited Company Number: 519500 Registered in England Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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You have to remove yourself from the list; see the instructions at the bottom of every post. On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Scott Andrews wrote: Dont just auto mail me back. Actually delete me From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Scott Andrews Sent: 18 August 2009 11:30 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Please remove me from these emails. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Paul Collins Sent: 18 August 2009 11:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? I think it's still necessary... These articles sum it up well. http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/ http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end _of_flexibility/ _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2308 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm How hard can that be? On Aug 18, 2009, at 6:37 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: Dont just auto mail me back. Actually delete me *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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At least he didn't call us fucktards, like the last bloke :) From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Maben Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:02 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility? Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm How hard can that be? On Aug 18, 2009, at 6:37 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: Dont just auto mail me back. Actually delete me *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
Foskett, Mike wrote: I need to have larger text to read articles and it annoys me when the whole page zooms and goes horizontally off the page. It just goes to show that you can't rely on technology to fix all the issues. You need an accessibility mindset to cover all the angles. -- Kind Regards Chris Price chris.pr...@choctaw.co.uk www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 629 0227 Choctaw Media Fertile Ground for Websites Follow me on Twitter Catch up with me on LinkedIn ~~ Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd ~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB, United Kingdom. ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org***
Re: [WSG] table inside a dd?
Hi Two good resources may help you here: HTML help: http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/lists/dd.html Contents Inline elements, block-level elements The DTD for XHTML (strict e.g): http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd and http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Strict !-- definition lists - dt for term, dd for its definition -- !ELEMENT dd %Flow; !ATTLIST dd %attrs; Meaning you can add pretty much any element inside a dd. Whether it's the best way to do it, is another matter which I think the other replies answer. HTH James On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:18:35 pm Tim MacKay wrote: Hi all, Is it semantic markup to include a table of items ( in this case a nutritional information table ) as the contents of a dd within a definition list? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
On 2009/08/18 11:07 (GMT+0100) James Jeffery composed: Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that do that? I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current practices and conventions. Browser zoom, text or full, is a defense mechanism provided by browser makers for the benefit of their users. Absent offense from a site (e.g. undersized text, tiny images), defense is unnecessary. Best to not make your sites offensive in the first place. -- How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver. Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?
For some of us, web accessibility is the law. More importantly, it's the right thing to do. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***