[WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread James Jeffery
Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this
leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow
should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower
browsers that do that?

I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current
practices and conventions.


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RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Paul Collins
I think it's still necessary...

These articles sum it up well.
http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/
http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end_of_flexibility/




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Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave 
elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the 
user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that 
do that?

I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current 
practices and conventions.

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Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, James Jeffery wrote:

 Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this
 leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow
 should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower
 browsers that do that?

Users don't want to change the type size; they set it at their
preferred size and want to leave it there.

Having to change it for different sites is a PITA!

A well-designed site will work no matter what the user's font size
(within a very wide range).

 I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current
 practices and conventions.


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RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Scott Andrews
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I think it's still necessary...

 

These articles sum it up well.

http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/

http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end
_of_flexibility/

 

 

 

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Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this
leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow
should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower
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I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current
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RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Scott Andrews
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I think it's still necessary...

 

These articles sum it up well.

http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/

http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end
_of_flexibility/

 

 

 

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Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this
leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow
should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower
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RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread cfaj
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 I think it's still necessary...
 
  
 
 These articles sum it up well.
 
 http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/
 
 http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end
 _of_flexibility/
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
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 Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this
 leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow
 should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower
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RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Foskett, Mike
Remember device independence?
So it's still important to design for large font-sizes.
I believe i read somewhere that the WCAG 2 guidelines recommends up to 200% 
font scaling.
That's Ctrl+ six times in Firefox.

From a personal perspective.
I need to have larger text to read articles and it annoys me when the whole 
page zooms and goes horizontally off the page.

Mike.

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Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this leave 
elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow should the 
user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower browsers that 
do that?

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RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson

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 I think it's still necessary...
 
  
 
 These articles sum it up well.
 
 http://zomigi.com/blog/why-browser-zoom-shouldnt-kill-flexible-layouts/
 
 http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200906/page_zoom_does_not_mean_the_end
 _of_flexibility/
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
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Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Andrew Maben

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RE: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Paul Collins
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Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Chris Price




Foskett, Mike wrote:

  
  
  
  I
need to have larger text to read articles and it annoys me when the
whole page zooms and goes horizontally off the page.

It just goes to show that you can't rely on technology to fix all the
issues. You need an accessibility mindset to cover all the angles.

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Re: [WSG] table inside a dd?

2009-08-18 Thread James Ellis
Hi

Two good resources may help you here:

HTML help: http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/lists/dd.html

Contents   Inline elements, block-level elements

The DTD for XHTML (strict e.g):
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd
and
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Strict

!-- definition lists - dt for term, dd for its definition --

!ELEMENT dd %Flow;
!ATTLIST dd
  %attrs;
  

Meaning you can add pretty much any element inside a dd.


Whether it's the best way to do it, is another matter which I think the other 
replies answer.

HTH
James



On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:18:35 pm Tim MacKay wrote:
 Hi all,



 Is it semantic markup to include a table of items ( in this case a
 nutritional information table ) as the contents of a dd within a
 definition list?


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Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/08/18 11:07 (GMT+0100) James Jeffery composed:

 Zooming is present on the majority of modern browsers, so where does this
 leave elastic layouts, and em's? Should we still develop sites that grow
 should the user want to increase the text size? Even though it's the lower
 browsers that do that?

 I've been out of the scene for a while, so I've lost touch with the current
 practices and conventions.

Browser zoom, text or full, is a defense mechanism provided by browser makers
for the benefit of their users. Absent offense from a site (e.g. undersized
text, tiny images), defense is unnecessary. Best to not make your sites
offensive in the first place.
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Re: [WSG] How Important Is Web Accessibility?

2009-08-18 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
For some of us, web accessibility is the law.

More importantly, it's the right thing to do.

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