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[WSG] strange behavior in IE7
Hello I'm having trouble with this table which is part of a page not shown: http://test3.dekkers.net/test.htm in IE7 only when hovering over the table different cells get colored red? now i know the first css rule causes it. what i don't know is why ?? it has nothing to do with the table and is targeting a different element in the page.. any ideas ? thanks Ido *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] RE: Deprecated start for lists confirmation
That came up as a topic recently. I'm told a transitional doctype allows it. Mike Foskett From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: 10 November 2009 15:17 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited Company Number: 519500 Registered in England Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
The start attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start. Elliot From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chabot, Elliot Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation The start attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start . Elliot From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Hi Kevin, If you wish to write HTML5, the start attribute has been rescued from its deprecated state and may be used when needed. Here is the HTML5 working draft describing it: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#attr-ol-start Validating HTML5: W3C: http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/#validate_by_upload+with_options Under Document type select HTML5 (I'm not sure how good this one is yet.) Validator.nu (by Henri Sivonen): http://html5.validator.nu/ (This one has been in use for a while.) Hope that helps, Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Documentation and Localization Core Technologies and Consumer Engineering Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11 http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? -- *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Chabot, Elliot *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation The “start” attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - * http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start *http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start . Elliot *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.orgli...@webstandardsgroup.org ]* On Behalf Of* Erickson, Kevin (DOE) *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? No, it means when using strict doctypes the attribute is not allowed. If you need both attribute and validation use a transitional doctype or you might try using HTML5, where the start-attribute is reintroduced: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-ol-element Cheers, jens -- Jens Brueckmann http://www.yalf.de *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
On 10 Nov 2009, at 16:43, Jens Brueckmann wrote: Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? No, it means when using strict doctypes the attribute is not allowed. It doesn't. There are a number of attributes / elements which are deprecated or appear only in Transitional/Frameset but not both. In this case, the start attribute is both deprecated and does not appear in Strict. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Looking for Images
You also may want to look at the Veterans History Project of the Library of Congress at http://www.loc.gov/vets/. Elliot -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of J.S. Ferguson Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:24 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Looking for Images If you're still looking, you might check with the owner of http:// www.hnsa.org/index.htm Steve Ferguson - http://www.illumit.com Developer of WebLight the practical web site content testing tool On Nov 2, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. doing a world war veterans club website. actually updating it. so was wondering, looking for images, of icons, logos, ships, planes, sub marines, flags, pictures of men , woman. and could spend years trolling via google images. so i would ask. where i could find royalty free images. that is accessible with a screen reader. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Excellent information! Thanks!! From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Frank Palinkas Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:36 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hi Kevin, If you wish to write HTML5, the start attribute has been rescued from its deprecated state and may be used when needed. Here is the HTML5 working draft describing it: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#attr-ol-start Validating HTML5: W3C: http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/#validate_by_upload+with_options Under Document type select HTML5 (I'm not sure how good this one is yet.) Validator.nu (by Henri Sivonen): http://html5.validator.nu/ (This one has been in use for a while.) Hope that helps, Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Documentation and Localization Core Technologies and Consumer Engineering Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11 http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chabot, Elliot Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation The start attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start . Elliot From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] strange behavior in IE7
Hi Ido
2009/11/10 Ido dekkers idekkers@gmail.com:
I'm having trouble with this table which is part of a page not shown:
http://test3.dekkers.net/test.htm
in IE7 only when hovering over the table different cells get colored red?
now i know the first css rule causes it. what i don't know is why ??
it has nothing to do with the table and is targeting a different element in
the page..
Weird indeed!
I would put that down to general IE bugginess.
As an alternative approach you should use TH instead of TD for the
cells you wish to style differently.
tbody th {color:red;}
Or you could try COL/COLGROUP as a means to distinguish them.
hth
Ollie
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