Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread David Dorward
On 27 Sep 2010, at 22:46, tee wrote: Without CSS, wouldn't the browsers render the page just like normal HTML page with browser default styling? Yes … so the blocks would collapse back to inline. Quote Hugo, It will create those elements for IE6-8 (and older browsers with lack of HTML5

Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 28/09/2010 07:12, David Dorward wrote: On 27 Sep 2010, at 22:46, tee wrote: Quote Hugo, It will create those elements for IE6-8 (and older browsers with lack of HTML5 support) in DOM. I suppose DOM will still work in older IEs when CSS is off yes? Yes To clarify though: the DOM will

Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread Steven Tan
Also ran into an issue when i was using js templating with html5 tags. Html5 shiv only ran once when the document loads. Either need call it again or use html4 tags. I am choosing html4 tags for now. Sigh. Steven On 28/09/2010, at 6:34 PM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: On

Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread Rob Crowther
Steven Tan wrote: Also ran into an issue when i was using js templating with html5 tags. Html5 shiv only ran once when the document loads. Either need call it again or use html4 tags. I am choosing html4 tags for now. Sigh. All the HTML5 shiv is doing is calling document.createElement against

Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread Steven Tan
No, it doesn't. But if you use html5 tags in your templating, then it might. Just something to watch out for. One of my templates create a section and header for about 20 times. Steven On 28/09/2010, at 8:49 PM, Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com wrote: Steven Tan wrote: Also ran into an

[WSG] query on HTML5 nav tag

2010-09-28 Thread tee
In a blog archive page, which is the best way? #1 h1The Archives/h1 nav h2last x number of posts /h2 (ul list) /nav nav h2 By Categories/h2 (ul list) /nav nav h2 Yearly Archives /h2 (ul list) /nav or #2 (I think this one is a better choice as they are all navigations.) h1The Archives/h1

Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread Rob Crowther
On 28/09/10 14:10, Steven Tan wrote: No, it doesn't. But if you use html5 tags in your templating, then it might. Just something to watch out for. Sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying here: no it doesn't what? It might what? One of my templates create a section and header for about 20

Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread Steven Tan
Sure. :) The issue i am encountering is when I generate HTML on the fly using js templates. I have a couple of templates written with sections and headers tags. Because html5 shiv only create the elements on document loads, it will not work the html5 tags that gets appended to the document

Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread Rob Crowther
Steven Tan wrote So watch out if you rely on js libraries that do something like this: $(body).append(sectionsomething/section); $(section).text(new something); // this line will throw an error in IE. Hope that makes sense. Ah, I understand, interesting. I've done some example cases:

Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread Steven Tan
Nice setup. Thanks for explaining it better than I do. ;) Load html5shiv, use innerHTML to create element, change with jQuery (works in IE8): http://www.boogdesign.com/examples/html5shiv-inner-jquery.html Strange, I expected the innerHTML part to fail. Any idea why that works? So it

[WSG] CSS and h264 vs Flash

2010-09-28 Thread cat soul
I hope that this is within the scope of this list... Some months back, you may have read Steve Jobs saying that Flash could easily be replaced by a combo of CSS and h264, or something very similar. My CSS skills don't empower me to see how this could be..could somebody shine a light on

Re: [WSG] query on HTML5 nav tag

2010-09-28 Thread Steven Tan
#1 seems the most logical to me. Because I see them as different nav types, not as a whole site navigation. You probably don't need to section the Archive page since there is only one section. steven On 28/09/2010, at 11:26 PM, tee wrote: In a blog archive page, which is the best way?

Re: [WSG] CSS support of HTML5 tags not ready yet?

2010-09-28 Thread Rob Crowther
On 28/09/10 23:41, Steven Tan wrote: Strange, I expected the innerHTML part to fail. Any idea why that works? Nope! I expected one or the other of the two (DOM and innerHTML) to fail as surely jQuery is using one or other of them underneath? I haven't had time to dig in to the jQuery source

Re: [WSG] CSS and h264 vs Flash

2010-09-28 Thread Sam Sherlock
Kroc Camen video for everybody http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody I think Steve Jobs is thinking about everyone using Safari browser (or another modern browser that support h.264 not ff3.6 but ff4 will maybe, chrome does) but in reality for now such modern browsers are not as wide

Re: [WSG] CSS and h264 vs Flash

2010-09-28 Thread cat soul
On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Sam Sherlock wrote: Kroc Camen video for everybody http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody I think Steve Jobs is thinking about everyone using Safari browser (or another modern browser that support h.264 not ff3.6 but ff4 will maybe, chrome does) but

Re: [WSG] CSS and h264 vs Flash

2010-09-28 Thread Sam Sherlock
transitions with css here http://timvandamme.com/ some icons use transition with css with in . vcard in firefox the icons just use hover active - S On 29 September 2010 01:12, cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org wrote: On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Sam Sherlock wrote: Kroc Camen video for

Re: [WSG] CSS and h264 vs Flash

2010-09-28 Thread cat soul
that's pretty nice.. I've also been reading that MS is on board with the HTML5+ h264 combo as an alternative to Flash, so perhaps a critical mass is forming... I do feel that flash has its place, but that it was a mistake jumping in head first as the web seemed to do over flash so many