Hello,
I was wondering whether it is acceptable CSS to combine pseudo class
selectors, like this:
div#div_Navigation ul li:first-child:before {
... [STYLES HERE]
}
The W3C CSS validator does not complain and my versions of Firefox,
Chrome, Safari or Opera display the style. Internet Explorer 7
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Just some thoughts
1. :before is not supported by IE7
2. if :before is supported by IE7.js, Dean Edwards may not anticipated the
use of multiple selectors in such manner, thus thus the script ignores it.
3. (Though very unlikely) If you have a set of group selectors and this
Are image maps still ok?
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On 14 Oct 2010, at 17:27, Tom Livingston wrote:
Are image maps still ok?
Still?
Server side image maps are as inaccessible as ever.
Client side image maps had issues last time I looked at them, but things might
have improved since then.
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/mapalt.html is
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM, David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk wrote:
On 14 Oct 2010, at 17:27, Tom Livingston wrote:
Are image maps still ok?
Still?
Server side image maps are as inaccessible as ever.
Client side image maps had issues last time I looked at them, but things
might
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM, David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk wrote:
On 14 Oct 2010, at 17:27, Tom Livingston wrote:
Are image maps still ok?
Still?
Server side image maps are as inaccessible as ever.
Client
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Image Maps
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu,
Can you use an image map?
Yes.
Do people still use image maps?
Yes.
Should you find a better way to implement it?
Absolutely.
Basically image maps can be used, but they aren't usually a good idea. A
better method would be to split it up into separate images and smash them
together to look
On Oct 14, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Christian Snodgrass wrote:
Basically image maps can be used, but they aren't usually a good
idea. A better method would be to split it up into separate images
and smash them together to look like one map. This lets you add alt
tags and what-not to make it
You can use transparent images and negative margins.
The simplest way to set this up would be to use a program like Fireworks
(which lets you move stuff around freely and gives you an x and y).
Cut up all of your states into separate images with transparent backgrounds.
Then you can bring them
If you use PNG's and negative margins, this would allow you to piece
together images, but how would you handle hovering or clicking? For
example, if you had a circle image with a transparent background, how
would you identify hovering or clicking only on the circle piece?
Dan Freeman
On 10/14/10 1:23 PM, Christian Snodgrass wrote:
If you needed to get more exact, you could use any number of Javascript script
to get more exact
results.
And all this thrashing about is going to provide a more accessible
solution than an image map?
The exact solution depends on the exact
In the US map problem, an image map may make sense.
However, there are many more in which an image map doesn't make sense. For
example, having a graphical menu with an image map, having a header image
map for links, etc. These would be better done using separate images.
Also, sometimes a
US map example: http://davidlynch.org/js/maphilight/docs/demo_usa.html
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On 15/10/2010, at 7:19 AM, Christian Snodgrass wrote:
In the US map problem, an image map may make sense.
However, there are many more in
On Oct 14, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Christian Snodgrass wrote:
I'm not saying image maps should never be used... I'm saying that
you should keep in mind alternatives because image maps are
frequently abuse
That is completely clear and understandable.
And, I would as (as I don't know) are image
US map example: http://davidlynch.org/js/maphilight/docs/demo_usa.html
That isn't really a good example of accessibility + images-maps, as it
doesn't have any... maybe it could be updated to use the tabindex attribute.
cheers,
Mathew Robertson
That map also illustrates the problem with image maps.
Disable images and refresh the page. It becomes completely unusable (granted
there are ways to make the image map work better with no images, but this is
the more common situation).
If they were all separate images with their own alt tags,
In this page:
http://lotusseedsdesign.com/css-test/list-style.html
Only Firefox got it right. Have not checked in IE yet.
li {padding-bottom: 5px;clear: both;list-style-type: disc;margin-left: 25px;}
li img {float: left;margin-right:10px;margin-bottom: 10px;border:0}
Forgot to say, I am not interested in background image approach in this case.
tee
On Oct 14, 2010, at 4:43 PM, tee wrote:
In this page:
http://lotusseedsdesign.com/css-test/list-style.html
Only Firefox got it right. Have not checked in IE yet.
li {padding-bottom: 5px;clear:
As far as I know, image maps are not deprecated... just often abused so you
should really consider your options. I agree with your little analogy as
well. I'd evaluate exactly what the problem is and then pick a solution.
For example, if all the shapes in the potential map are square, it'd be
That is unnecessary - area's support alt. With both CSS and images
disabled, a useragent should be able to draw the USA-map graphically using a
fallback css; if using a text-browser, it could render it as a list -
whether they actually do, is an entirely different problem, ie: if an image
has
Agreed.
However, with the separate images you can put them in an unordered list
yourself to control the display a bit more closely.
I'm not saying any of these are 100% good all the time. I like to soak up as
many different techniques as possible and choose the one that is the most
appropriate
Disclaimer: This is not a sarcastic question.
At Menubar, try tab through the link using your keyboard, right after you hit
File, the next link it headed is the download link below the Source.
http://hanshillen.github.com/aegisdemo/
As a Superfish script and a frequent keyboard navigation
Tee,
Just a quick test I came up with this:
li {
padding-bottom: 5px;
clear: both;
list-style-type: disc;
padding-left: 75px;
margin-bottom: 50px;
position: relative;
}
li img {
position: absolute;
top: 0; left: 0;
Tim,
Thanks! This won't work very well though because not all LIs have image and I
can't foresee which one will not have.
Your example gave me an idea to remove the float, and it seems to be working.
See the test page again!
vertical-align:top makes the image aligns with the text.
tee
On
Probably. I think there is a faction in the accessibility community
that believes a web page menu should work like a desktop
application or OS menu. The problem is that web surfing civilians who
use the keyboard are accustomed to the tab key (or equiv) and
not the arrow keys for navigating a
From: Thierry Koblentz thierry.koble...@gmail.com
What is the solution you're talking about?
That link you posted does not tell us much about your own simplistic,
unsophisticated way, nor what is your different view of menu
Accessibility.
It must be so simple it went over your head :-)
I'm
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