[WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

2011-07-20 Thread Stevio
I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I 
give them two options:

1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the 
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they were 
on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once they add 
the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.


However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal 
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?


It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on 
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.


However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog 
box'. Any thoughts?


Thanks,
Stephen 




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RE: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

2011-07-20 Thread Nixon David
I usually go with business activity - business function with my modal
forms (SharePoint)
e.g. Records - Declare a new record

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Subject: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record,
I give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they
were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once
they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.

However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?

It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.

However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
box'. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Stephen 



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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

2011-07-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I give 
them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the form 
which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists the 
current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated 
using AJAX.



However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog box'. 
Any thoughts?


Just curious -- why offer a choice?

Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
if not?

What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
pick one unhesitatingly? Or think eh? what?  :-)

Just askin' ...

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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

2011-07-20 Thread Jason Grant
+1 to Hassan's comment.
There is no point in having two options.
Just have one chunky button called 'Add record' which takes user to modal
form with JS on and separate page with JS off.
As long as this is coded in progressive enhancement manner everything should
be fine.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Hassan Schroeder has...@webtuitive.comwrote:

 On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

 I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I
 give them two options:
 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
 form which allows them
 to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists
 the current records).
 This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated
 using AJAX.


  However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
 box'. Any thoughts?


 Just curious -- why offer a choice?

 Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
 if not?

 What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
 to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

 Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
 pick one unhesitatingly? Or think eh? what?  :-)

 Just askin' ...

 --
 Hassan Schroeder - has...@webtuitive.com
 webtuitive design ===  (+1) 408-621-3445   === http://webtuitive.com
 http://about.me/**hassanschroeder http://about.me/hassanschroeder
 twitter: @hassan
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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

2011-07-20 Thread Stevio
User choice basically. They may prefer to see more of a form in its own 
page, or they may prefer to use a modal form to add the record.


If JavaScript is disabled, the system still works fine with the non-modal 
form option.


Take Facebook's current implementation of photos for example. A while back 
they introduced a modal viewing box for images. However, if you click F5 to 
refresh Firefox, you go back to the old style viewing of the image in it's 
own page. Often I do this because I prefer it, other times I persist with 
their viewing box.


As for a user-friendly name for the modal link, so far I've come up with 
coolbox, float, or using an icon with an arrow.


Any better suggestions?

Thanks,
Stephen


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From: Hassan Schroeder has...@webtuitive.com

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?



On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:
I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, 
I give them two options:

1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the 
form which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists 
the current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is 
updated using AJAX.


However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog 
box'. Any thoughts?


Just curious -- why offer a choice?

Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
if not?

What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
pick one unhesitatingly? Or think eh? what?  :-)

Just askin' ... 




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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

2011-07-20 Thread Jason Grant
Stephen,

I think we are talking about different context with regards to Facebook
example.

You don't really get side by side options on Facebook to open in separate
page or open in modal window.

Why does this thing need to have a 'name' anyway?

Cheers,

Jason

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Stevio redea...@freeuk.com wrote:

 User choice basically. They may prefer to see more of a form in its own
 page, or they may prefer to use a modal form to add the record.

 If JavaScript is disabled, the system still works fine with the non-modal
 form option.

 Take Facebook's current implementation of photos for example. A while back
 they introduced a modal viewing box for images. However, if you click F5 to
 refresh Firefox, you go back to the old style viewing of the image in it's
 own page. Often I do this because I prefer it, other times I persist with
 their viewing box.

 As for a user-friendly name for the modal link, so far I've come up with
 coolbox, float, or using an icon with an arrow.

 Any better suggestions?

 Thanks,
 Stephen


 - Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder 
 has...@webtuitive.com
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?



  On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

 I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record,
 I give them two options:
 1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
 2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
 form which allows them
 to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists
 the current records).
 This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is
 updated using AJAX.


  However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
 box'. Any thoughts?


 Just curious -- why offer a choice?

 Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
 if not?

 What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
 to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

 Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
 pick one unhesitatingly? Or think eh? what?  :-)

 Just askin' ...




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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

2011-07-20 Thread Stevio
Hi Jason, I was just using that as an example, that users may prefer one way 
over the other, and so I wish to offer them a choice. It would be nice if 
Facebook offered the choice!

See my original email - it needs a name because the word modal is not one that 
I think users would be familiar with. I need something to differentiate between 
opening the form in a separate page and in a modal form, preferably something 
short and to the point.

Thanks,
Stephen
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  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?


  Stephen,

  I think we are talking about different context with regards to Facebook 
example. 


  You don't really get side by side options on Facebook to open in separate 
page or open in modal window. 

  Why does this thing need to have a 'name' anyway? 


  Cheers,

  Jason 


  On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Stevio redea...@freeuk.com wrote:

User choice basically. They may prefer to see more of a form in its own 
page, or they may prefer to use a modal form to add the record.

If JavaScript is disabled, the system still works fine with the non-modal 
form option.

Take Facebook's current implementation of photos for example. A while back 
they introduced a modal viewing box for images. However, if you click F5 to 
refresh Firefox, you go back to the old style viewing of the image in it's own 
page. Often I do this because I prefer it, other times I persist with their 
viewing box.

As for a user-friendly name for the modal link, so far I've come up with 
coolbox, float, or using an icon with an arrow.

Any better suggestions?

Thanks,
Stephen


- Original Message - From: Hassan Schroeder 
has...@webtuitive.com
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?




  On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a 
record, I give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing 
the form which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page 
lists the current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is 
updated using AJAX.



However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog 
box'. Any thoughts?


  Just curious -- why offer a choice?

  Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
  if not?

  What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
  to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

  Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
  pick one unhesitatingly? Or think eh? what?  :-)

  Just askin' ... 





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From: Stevioredea...@freeuk.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:45:33 +0100
Subject: Modal forms - what to call them?

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I
give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they were
on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once they add
the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.

However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?

It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.

However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
box'. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Stephen


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From: Nixon Daviddavid.ni...@altran-cis.co.uk
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 17:53:41 +0200
Subject: RE: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

I usually go with business activity - business function with my modal
forms (SharePoint)
e.g. Records - Declare a new record

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Stevio
Sent: 20 July 2011 16:46
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record,
I give them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the
form which allows them to add the record without leaving the page they
were on (this page lists the current records). This uses jQuery. Once
they add the record, the list of records is updated using AJAX.

However, what user-friendly descriptive name should I use for the modal
forms? I doubt many people know the word modal. Any suggestions?

It would be laid out as follows:
Add record (pop-up dialog box)?

Clicking on 'Add record' takes the user to a new page, while clicking on
'pop-up dialog box' opens the modal form.

However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog
box'. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Stephen



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From: Hassan Schroederhas...@webtuitive.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:18:29 -0700
Subject: Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I give 
them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the form 
which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists the 
current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated 
using AJAX.
However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog box'. 
Any thoughts?

Just curious -- why offer a choice?

Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
if not?

What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
pick one unhesitatingly? Or think eh? what?  :-)

Just askin' ...



I agree that, from a usability point of view, having only one choice- 
one path- offers the best experience. It just sounds more efficient. So, 
yes, the modal form (no name) when JS is turned on, and the HTML form 
(again, no name) for when JS is off. To the user there is only one form.



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