Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread coder
- Original Message - From: Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites Can I just turn this around? To those on this discussion so adamant that

Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 29/12/2011 18:02, coder wrote: I don't say having windows all over the place is something great per se, but I do say that for most applications on a PC it is a emvery/em tidy and very convenient way of handling masses of data which is related (like my analogy of a web page in Dreamweaver or

Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
What I'm still not getting from this whole discussion is: it seems that throughout the thread those of us opposed to launching new windows/tabs have had to justify why we're opposed to them. Can I just turn this around? To those on this discussion so adamant that popping up a new window is a

Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 12/29/11 8:55 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: FWIW Apple do provide guidance for how windows in OS X are supposed to work: http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/Windows/Windows.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/2961-TPXREF21 Not sure

Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Tom Ditmars
On 12/29/2011 01:02 PM, coder wrote: I had an awful job getting her to understand what [a browser was], but eventually she explained : I use my e. This was subsequently clarified by the explanation that she meant the small blue thing at the bottom of the screen. Let me add that this lady sits

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2011-12-29 Thread CGeorge
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Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 12/28/11 8:08 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 12:49 PM, coderco...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote: SO you mean that mr Dreamweaver programmer, or Mr outlook, etc etc . . . shouldn't do it either? Since they aren't navigating hypermedia, I'm not sure that's

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Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Hassan Schroeder has...@webtuitive.com wrote: On 12/28/11 8:08 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: [snip] Since they aren't navigating hypermedia, I'm not sure that's comparable. But typically you have a fine degree of user control of the opening of new windows

Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Janice Schwarz
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Tom Ditmars zar...@zarggg.net wrote: On 12/29/2011 01:02 PM, coder wrote: I had an awful job getting her to understand what [a browser was], but eventually she explained : I use my e. This was subsequently clarified by the explanation that she meant the small

Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On 12/29/11 11:31 AM, Tom Ditmars wrote: I would dare to venture that the world has reached a point where knowing about things like tabs or right-clicking should be expected. The World Wide Web has existed for nearly 20 years. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings... :-)

Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Rob Crowther
On 29/12/11 17:53, Hassan Schroeder wrote: Why should *web apps* be unconditionally constrained from the same context-driven behavior? You ask an interesting question: are we talking about web apps or web sites? Does the answer make a difference? Can a user tell the difference? Rob

Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Rob Crowther
On 29/12/11 18:02, coder wrote: Most people don't even know what a back button is! Apparently most people do: The Back button is the lifeline of the Web user and the second-most used navigation feature (after following hypertext links). http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html Though I