Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?

2012-08-02 Thread James Ducker 
Second that. If you can version the filenames that's definitely the
most sure-fire way to make sure users don't cache old copies.

James


On 3 August 2012 14:39, Emmanuel Negri  wrote:

> Sometimes a random query string does not work.
>
> Changing the filename itself works 100% of the time.
>
> Eg. style-.css
>
> Manu
>
> On 03/08/2012, at 1:25 PM, James Ducker  wrote:
>
> Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like
> example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will
> be refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because
> it makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or
> images, go nuts.
>
> James
>
>
> On 21 July 2012 03:22, Rob Crowther  wrote:
>
>> On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote:
>>
>>> How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers,
>>> i.e., perform a cache bypass?  And I don't mean for me - I mean for all
>>> visitors to the page?  Is it possible?
>>> ??
>>>
>> Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it, the
>> browser will store the cache settings at the time when it cached the page
>> and if those settings say "don't check again for a month" then, generally,
>> it won't.
>>
>> If you want the page to never be cached then you need to set the expiry
>> header.  With Apache servers this is quite straightforward and can usually
>> be done in the directory's .htaccess file:
>>
>> ExpiresByType text/html "access plus 0 seconds"
>>
>> This is example was take from HTML5 BoilerPlate:
>>
>> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-**boilerplate/blob/**
>> 83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c44**8a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
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Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?

2012-08-02 Thread Emmanuel Negri 
Sometimes a random query string does not work.

Changing the filename itself works 100% of the time. 

Eg. style-.css

Manu

On 03/08/2012, at 1:25 PM, James Ducker  wrote:

> Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like 
> example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will be 
> refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because it 
> makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or images, 
> go nuts.
> 
> James
> 
> 
> On 21 July 2012 03:22, Rob Crowther  wrote:
> On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote:
> How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers,
> i.e., perform a cache bypass?  And I don't mean for me - I mean for all
> visitors to the page?  Is it possible?
> ??
> Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it, the 
> browser will store the cache settings at the time when it cached the page and 
> if those settings say "don't check again for a month" then, generally, it 
> won't.
> 
> If you want the page to never be cached then you need to set the expiry 
> header.  With Apache servers this is quite straightforward and can usually be 
> done in the directory's .htaccess file:
> 
> ExpiresByType text/html "access plus 0 seconds"
> 
> This is example was take from HTML5 BoilerPlate:
> 
> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c448a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233
> 
> 
> Rob
> 
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Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?

2012-08-02 Thread James Ducker 
Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like
example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will be
refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because it
makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or
images, go nuts.

James


On 21 July 2012 03:22, Rob Crowther  wrote:

> On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote:
>
>> How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers,
>> i.e., perform a cache bypass?  And I don't mean for me - I mean for all
>> visitors to the page?  Is it possible?
>> ??
>>
> Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it, the
> browser will store the cache settings at the time when it cached the page
> and if those settings say "don't check again for a month" then, generally,
> it won't.
>
> If you want the page to never be cached then you need to set the expiry
> header.  With Apache servers this is quite straightforward and can usually
> be done in the directory's .htaccess file:
>
> ExpiresByType text/html "access plus 0 seconds"
>
> This is example was take from HTML5 BoilerPlate:
>
> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-**boilerplate/blob/**
> 83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c44**8a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233
>
>
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[WSG] Out of office

2012-08-02 Thread Kiama Web Design 
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2012-08-02 Thread Dominic Hey 
joining the party a little late here.. unless i have misunderstood things
here this is a perfect situation to employ XSLT (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSLT). you can assign whatever attributes you
require to the XML and then use XSLT to have the browser render the file as
XHTML.


On 2 August 2012 10:38,  wrote:

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> From: Mathew Robertson 
> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:57:54 +1000
> Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid
> way?
>
> Hi Isabel,
>
> It sounds like you might be confusing/mixing your requirements... from the
> limited information you have provided, this sounds like perfect candidate
> to generate two separate files ie: HTML already has accessibility built
> in, and you get the XML file contain exactly what you require.
>
> regards,
> Mathew Robertson
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> On 1 August 2012 09:29, Isabel Santos  wrote:
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> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > thank you, and sorry for the delayed answer.
> >
> > The need for xml comes from the site being
> > a web application for an academic work.
> > The idea is to generate xml both to the site and for exchange purposes.
> >
> > I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant,
> > and would not optimise the resources.
> > In fact, accessibility, validity, design and usability are my own
> concerns,
> > they aren't part of the work, won't be evaluated,
> > and are taking more time then they should.
> >
> > Anyway, as long as it is possible to do,
> > the more difficult a work, the more one learns.
> >
> > I gess I've lost a good part of the WAI-ARIA development history,
> > it's kind of hard to understand the excessive and aparently arbitrary
> > strictness
> > of xhtml in regards to ARIA.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > isabel
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Rob Crowther  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> What XML content do you need to include?  If you just stick to regular
> >> HTML5 then all the ARIA stuff is valid (with some sanity restrictions)
> and
> >> you won't have to work around the strict parsing:
> >>
> >> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/**web-apps/current-work/**
> >> multipage/elements.html#wai-**aria<
> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/elements.html#wai-aria
> >
> >>
> >> XML elements will be parsed into the HTML5 document tree, albeit
> slightly
> >> differently to how an XML document would be parsed, but maybe close
> enough
> >> for your purposes depending on what XML you'll be including.
> >>
> >> Rob
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> >
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> From: Rob Crowther 
> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 02:01:34 +0100
> Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid
> way?
>
> On 01/08/12 00:29, Isabel Santos wrote:
> > I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant,
> > and would not optimise the resources.
>
> Unless you serve the XHTML files with a MIME type of application/xml or
> application/xhtml+xml, which will break things in IE<9, the browser will
> treat all the content as HTML anyway.  This is precisely because of
> XHTML's arbitrary strictness.
>
>
> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/HTML_vs._XHTML#Differences_Between_HTML_and_XHTML
>
> Rob
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