[WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!

2005-09-24 Thread Adam Morris
HELP! I've just done a site for http://www.charismalab.com. Everything
is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is looking at
the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use the import
to use a separate style sheet which helped massively but there are some
things that I just can't seem to make work! I've downloaded the classic
mac IE and can't see what she sees .eg. apparently, the nav line on the
bottom of each page breaks off and starts a new line (!) and I've given
up on trying to make the wrapper stretch 100% so I'm going to simply
give each page a separate wrapper and give it a fixed length, but
things still aren't right... can ANYone see where I'm going wrong???
the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.css

Thanks... 
Adam



Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!

2005-09-26 Thread Adam Morris
Thanks, Christain. I didn't think of doing that.

Adam
On 9/24/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the problem here might have to do with the fact that your XHTML is invalid. Please run every page through the validator and fix all the errors. There are definitely elements on every page that have not been closed, and I think they are causing all the problems. 

On 9/24/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: 
HELP! I've just done a site for 
http://www.charismalab.com. Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is looking at the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use the import to use a separate style sheet which helped massively but there are some things that I just can't seem to make work! I've downloaded the classic mac IE and can't see what she sees .eg. apparently, the nav line on the bottom of each page breaks off and starts a new line (!) and I've given up on trying to make the wrapper stretch 100% so I'm going to simply give each page a separate wrapper and give it a fixed length, but things still aren't right... can ANYone see where I'm going wrong???
the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.cssThanks... Adam
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Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!

2005-09-27 Thread Adam Morris
Validated the pages. Most were fine, actually, but there was a shocker
where I'd not closed a whole load of links and that was the page that
was really mis-behaving!! Thanks, again

AdamOn 9/26/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, Christain. I didn't think of doing that.

Adam
On 9/24/05, Christian Montoya 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
think the problem here might have to do with the fact that your XHTML
is invalid. Please run every page through the validator and fix all the
errors. There are definitely elements on every page that have not been
closed, and I think they are causing all the problems. 
On 9/24/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote: 
HELP! I've just done a site for 

http://www.charismalab.com.
Everything is great for Windows PC, Firefox, Safari BUT the client is
looking at the site on her Mac OS 9 IE 5 and it's not right. I've use
the import to use a separate style sheet which helped massively but
there are some things that I just can't seem to make work! I've
downloaded the classic mac IE and can't see what she sees .eg.
apparently, the nav line on the bottom of each page breaks off and
starts a new line (!) and I've given up on trying to make the wrapper
stretch 100% so I'm going to simply give each page a separate wrapper
and give it a fixed length, but things still aren't right... can ANYone
see where I'm going wrong???
the mac ie css is http://www.charismalab.com/ie51.cssThanks... Adam

-- ADAM x 

-- ADAM x


Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!

2005-09-28 Thread Adam Morris
Yes, I noticed that too and was trying to sort it out earlier today without any success whatsoever. Thanks for the advice!
On 9/28/05, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I noticed one other thing worth mentioning on the charismalab site.Your container div with the background gets cut off at the bottom of thefirst page length (in Firefox using 1024x768 resolution).I haven'tgone through your CSS as I'm supposed to be working right now, but I'm
guessing that you have at least one height in the chain from html to thecontent set to 100%. (screen shot enclosed)You may want to try going backwards in your document and set anythingthat div is nested in to be 100% as well including adding a declaration
for html itself set to 100%.That should fix that.
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Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!

2005-09-29 Thread Adam Morris
I've found a 'bodge' using the faux column thing. Repeated a wrapper
background image for the body and it covers a multitude of sins!On 9/28/05, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I noticed one other thing worth mentioning on the charismalab site.Your container div with the background gets cut off at the bottom of the
first page length (in Firefox using 1024x768 resolution).I haven'tgone through your CSS as I'm supposed to be working right now, but I'mguessing that you have at least one height in the chain from html to the
content set to 100%. (screen shot enclosed)You may want to try going backwards in your document and set anythingthat div is nested in to be 100% as well including adding a declarationfor html itself set to 100%.That should fix that.

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[WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Morris
Is there a way to accurately and seamlessly position this image over
the background? At the moment, a percentage left position doesn't
quite do the job.
Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/uwish/girls.html
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Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Morris
Sorry to seemingly use this group to have a conversation with myself
but I have been working on my problem and floated the image within the
wrapper and then used relative positioning! Is this a valid method?
The site works in IE for PC and Safari and Firefox for Mac. In Mac IE,
though, the relative positioning is completely ignored. Why is that?
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Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Morris
BTW the floated page is here:

http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/uwish1/girls.html

On 05/10/05, Adam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sorry to seemingly use this group to have a conversation with myself
 but I have been working on my problem and floated the image within the
 wrapper and then used relative positioning! Is this a valid method?
 The site works in IE for PC and Safari and Firefox for Mac. In Mac IE,
 though, the relative positioning is completely ignored. Why is that?

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Re: [WSG] Css fluid but accurate positioning

2005-10-05 Thread Adam Morris
That's great! Using margins instead of relative positioning has placed
the image in IE Mac too!
What is this bug in IE/Win that you need position: relative; for?

On 05/10/05, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Adam Morris wrote:
  Is there a way to accurately and seamlessly position this image over
   the background?

  http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/uwish/girls.html

 .tornpic {
 width:350px;
 height:316px;
 float: right;
 margin: -113px -24px 0 0;
 background: url(tornpic0.jpg) no-repeat;
 position: relative;
 }

 That's pulling the float into position by its margins. More robust and
 cross-browser stable than 'rel-pos' and achieving the same. Note that
 I've added 'position: relative;' anyway, in order to fix a bug in IE/win.

 IE/Mac will position the image correctly (like the other browsers).
 However, there's a lot going on on the elements below, so neither IE/win
 nor IE/Mac are lining up the text all that well.

 Delete 'width: xxx;' on #content and .contenttext p, and add 'padding: 0
 30px 0 0;' on #content. That'll fix text line-up in IE/win, and partly
 also in IE/Mac.

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[WSG] Strange width/padding/margin issue with IE5 for Mac

2005-10-17 Thread Adam Morris
For some strange reason, the only way I can get this block of text to
behave in Mac IE is by putting a block element at the top of it! i.e.
I can tame its width by sticking an h5 title on the top. In the block
of text, everything before a list stretched and ignored my
instructions. But, after a list appeared, the block of text listened
to what I was trying to tell it to do! So I stuck the h5 there and
everything below it began to behave! WHY?
The pages validate.
The page is here: http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish/philip.php
The page without the h5 is here:
http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish/philiptest.php

the css I'm using for the mac is ie51.css
Thanks in advance.

Adam
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Re: [WSG] Strange width/padding/margin issue with IE5 for Mac

2005-10-20 Thread Adam Morris
Ok.. I've cleared both floated columns by putting a cleared div in
there, but had to add a height to the #innerwrap for it to work.
#innerwrap is there to place the floated columns... necessary? Almost
there, I think. Not one hack yet and this page looks almost identical
in FF and IE.
Am I heading in the right direction?

http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish/floattest.html
http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish/floattestbase.css

Thanks, again, in advance.

Adam

On 18/10/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Adam,

 I had a quick look in IE 5.0, 5.1, 5.2 and both pages looked the same on all 
 three.

 On IE6 Win the heading drops below the main photo, but on FF it doesn't. I 
 would start by getting the rendering the same on IE6 and FF and then see 
 what's happening with IE5 Mac.


 General comments:

 1. Where are your paragraph tags? Why are you using br /br / instead?

 2. What is the point of all the class=list in your list items? Drop the 
 class and style them with '#navigation li {...}'

 3. You are really making things tough for yourself with the excessive CSS 
 hacks. As far as I can see, You don't need any of the min-height stuff - just 
 clear:both your columns and you'll be fine. Secondly, you are using 
 htmlbody selectors for FF pretty much everywhere you've set a padding on 
 an element. Here's a tip: don't set width and padding for the same element, 
 and you won't need box model hacks. In your case, set the width of the 
 columns, then set *margins* on the column contents (including the missing p 
 tags).

 I suspect your original problem will disappear if you fix these other things 
 first.

 Cheers,
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Re: [WSG] Strange width/padding/margin issue with IE5 for Mac

2005-10-20 Thread Adam Morris
Right, I've now got the pages looking IDENTICAL in FF on MAC and
Windows XP  with NO HACKS!!
Will now try to tidy it up a little, still with no hacks. Clearing the
floats was the very useful advice, and nesting one of the floats too.
The rest, I just started from scratch.
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Re: [WSG] Strange width/padding/margin issue with IE5 for Mac

2005-10-21 Thread Adam Morris
Brilliant! Thanks, Geoff. I did notice that the nav was off on IE5 for
Mac - IE5 for Windows too, eh? Do they generally behave the same then?
- but was so pleased with myself about being hack-free in XP and FF I
didn't care about the MacIE!!!.
But that's great to know that I still don't have to hack the nav list
into the right place! I've learned so much on this one! Took it right
back to basics. Added borders around the boxes of content to see what
was happening and kept it simple. Brilliant.
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[WSG] Safari problems

2005-11-04 Thread Adam Morris
Checked my site on a Mac OSX running Safari 1 yesterday. The little
background image of the flower for the navigation list does not align
itself to the left of the text link but 'floats' to the top of the
link's background height. On my version of Safari (1.3), this does not
happen, the flower acts as a regular button for the list. It's fine on
Windows XP or Firefox too. Why is this happening?  Is there a way to
line up the image with each of the links for this early Safari
browser?
The guys who I've done the site for, use this browser so it would be
nice for it to behave.
This is the flowered list:
http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish/

Thanks in advance!

Adam
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Re: [WSG] Safari problems

2005-11-07 Thread Adam Morris
Ah, that's brilliant to know, Tom, that it's a dodgy browser and not
my ignorance!
They seem to be running the first incarnation of OSX so I imagine it's
the first Safari release too.
It would be nice to know exactly what bug is causing the problem though...



On 07/11/05, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm having trouble recalling the what-version-of-Safari-runs-on what-
 version-of-Mac OS X listing, but is it possible to have them upgrade
 Safari to the highest possible that they can run (if they all ready
 haven't, that is)? I just know that Safari 1 was buggy as all get
 out. Few people at the time cared about it because of that, and I am
 sure many still ignore it.

 Just a thought. I have never tried to code for it.

 On Nov 5, 2005, at 2:05 AM, Adam Morris wrote:
  The guys who I've done the site for, use this browser so it would be
  nice for it to behave.
  This is the flowered list:
  http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish/


 -
 Tom Livingston
 Senior Multimedia Artist
 Media Logic
 www.mlinc.com



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Re: [WSG] Safari problems

2005-11-08 Thread Adam Morris
Thanks, Jan. I am going to take a screen shot today of the problem and
I'll post a link to it later. It's the image of the flower that is
misaligned on the nav list.

On 07/11/05, Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On my version of Safari (1.3)

 The 1.3 branch is fairly OK, it implemented all the bugfixes and
 features that are present in 2.x, but the odler one misbehave seriously.

 My EUR 0.02 - try to play with

 #navigation li {
   background-position: 0.5em;
 }

 a bit, like: 5px 5px or 20% 20% to see whether it works or not. I'd say
 it'd be enough to use something like 0.5em 0 or similar.

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Re: [WSG] Safari problems

2005-11-09 Thread Adam Morris
Here are the screen shots of the weirdness that is Safari 1. On
mouseover too, the flower persists in displaying...
http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/safarishots.html
http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish

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[WSG] Fluid problems

2005-11-16 Thread Adam Morris
I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be
held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm
beginning to lose it.

Adam

http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5
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Re: [WSG] Fluid problems

2005-11-16 Thread Adam Morris
true! I want the height to stretch the height of the content...  how??!!??

I've added the missing /p (thanks, Seona) and the page now validates.

base.css? just a hang-over from another page. all the style info is in
the head at the moment.

On 16/11/05, Buddy Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I noted that the contentRight div has a height of 500px on it. The first
 paragraph fits within that 500 and so its staying in...after the text
 exceeds to bottom of the right div, it spills out...so you need to work
 on that rightDiv I think.

 Buddy

 Paul Bennett wrote:

 There's a message here:
 
 *Before* asking - VALIDATE your code! :)
 
 Paul
 
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 Why does your base.css file have html in it?
 
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 I'm having BIG problems trying to get the content of this site to be
 held within the image 'containers' I've used. Help me, please?! I'm
 beginning to lose it.
 
 Adam
 
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Re: [WSG] Fluid problems

2005-11-16 Thread Adam Morris
I've DONE IT!!! I'VE DONE IT!! To create the right side of the
content that stretches the length of the browser window, I used the
contentright background image on the BODY instead of in it's own
floated div. BINGO!! The top and bottom corners now sit over a
beautifully repeated, 100% of the content, line. Paul, I've not used a
grey bordered div because I want to eventually make a lovely blurred
effect on the border. Hence the use of images...

Thanks for all your help, guys and girls! Invaluable.
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[WSG] All is not well...

2005-11-17 Thread Adam Morris
http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5/

In IE, when the window is shrunk, the content block drops underneath
the logo image (ugly). Why does that happen when, in FF, it stays in
position and compresses nicely?

Also, in IE, there are gaps between the border images. Again, in FF, a
nice smooth line.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Adam
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Re: [WSG] All is not well...

2005-11-18 Thread Adam Morris
Done it. Georg? margin-right:-6px; did not work on the right side of
the container but 'margin-LEFT: -6px' did! Why do negative margins
shift things around in a better way than positive ones?
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[WSG] Re: All is not well...

2005-11-18 Thread Adam Morris
Thanks for the links, Gunlaug. A great css step forward for me, this one!

Adam

On 11/18/05, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Adam Morris wrote:
  Done it. Georg? margin-right:-6px; did not work on the right side of
   the container but 'margin-LEFT: -6px' did!

 My fault - sorry. Yes, it should be a negative margin-left on the right
 container :-)

  Why do negative margins shift things around in a better way than
  positive ones?

 In your case: the negative margin is pulling in the backside edge of the
 floating container - the container becomes so many pixels narrower when
 the browser is calculating its space in relation to other elements.
 The actual, and visual, width stays the same though, so the containers
 starts to cover each other visually. That's one way to make the gap
 disappear.

 Note that this is a solution that'll only work well on floats. Floats
 can be positioned and manipulated by frontside and backside margins in
 many ways.
 Create some tests so you know how to control them. It may come handy.

 Example:
 http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_chaos_04.html

 More extreme examples - with IE/win fixes:
 http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_demo_float_01.html
 http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_demo_float_02.html
 http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_demo_float_03.html
 ...links to more float-info in the side-column(s).

 regards
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[WSG] Float city Arizona

2005-11-19 Thread Adam Morris
http://www.janelehrer.co.uk/live5/

Seems to be working now... but
still falls apart in Safari 1 on OS X

Any comments on how to improve this would be greatly (and gratefully) received

Adam
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Re: the basics of Firefox (was RE: [WSG] BBC E-mail: Overhaul for Firefox web browser)

2005-12-01 Thread Adam Morris
I'm having the same trouble and, yes, I've clicked the bloody Edit
Options button but bog all happens!!
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Re: [WSG] Re: the basics of Firefox (was RE: [WSG] BBC E-mail: Overhaul for Firefox web browser)

2005-12-02 Thread Adam Morris
ok ok ok... don't get your knickers in a twist! I'll shut up about FF now!!xOn 02/12/05, Lachlan Hunt 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Adam Morris wrote: If I uninstall everything, will I lose all my bookmarks, prefs etc.?
No, you won't, that's not how it works.However, as has been saidseveral times on this list, this is not a Firefox support list.Look upinformation about the profile folder, how to backup your bookmarks,
passwords, etc, and how to create a new profile.Reinstallation usuallywon't fix problems associated with corrupted profiles.--Lachlan Hunthttp://lachy.id.au/
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[WSG] Fluid layout

2006-02-24 Thread Adam Morris
Hi everyone!Been trying to make this site I'm building fluid after seeing it on a huge monitor in my local Mac store and marvelling at how teeny weeny it looked!The site is at
http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwishMy attempts at getting fluid is this:http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish/index1.htmlI have used different ie. larger background images for top, middle and bottom... and a background img for the right side of the body but, as you will see, if you kindly take a look on all your huge monitors, it's not quite there yet. Could you point me in the right direction?
Thanks!Adam


Re: [WSG] Fluid layout

2006-02-25 Thread Adam Morris
Ok. I added a min-width to the #content which seems to stop the page breaking up under 1000px. I also used the _javascript_ fix for IE but... now then it seemed that IE dropped apart at widths OVER 1200px! So.. I added 'position:relative' to the #content - seems to always fix most IE probs! - but no joy. THEN tried 'position:ABSOLUTE'... bingo! Why on earth does this work??
Also, there is still a flaw bottom left where some image dropping out of the 'box'... why is that?Thanks in advance!Adam


Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Fluid layout

2006-02-25 Thread Adam Morris
I've just made the background images 3000px wide to cover the gaps that open up and, I think, I've narrowed the container - although I'm not sure now!.. It also now seems not to break in IE at widths over 1200px.. Am I right? My Virtual PC browser window doesn't allow me to stretch the site much at all!
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Re: [WSG] Fluid layout

2006-02-25 Thread Adam Morris
Really? I thought I'd done everything the project 7 site told me.. ie. change the two things: the div and the size. What have I missed, Gunlaug?On 25/02/06, 
Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The min-width _javascript_ doesn't have the correct values for yourlayout, so it is jumping a bit at around 1020 window-width.


[WSG] Safari stylesheet switcher wierdness!

2006-02-27 Thread Adam Morris
http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish

I'm trying to provide two versions: fixed and fluid.

On FF everything is fine, IE not too sure about... but Safari..!
On returning to fixed width after choosing the fluid version, all
background images aren't there anymore, and, sometimes, the entire
page is missing except the body background colour!! Refreshing the
page brings things back to normal. I have used the same styleswitcher
script on my personal site and everything's fine... any ideas?

Adam
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Re: [WSG] Safari stylesheet switcher wierdness!

2006-02-28 Thread Adam Morris
I've given up and simply concerted the whole site to the fluid version!On 28/02/06, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 06/02/27 07:35 Adam Morris apparently typed: 
http://www.megustalatelevision.com/uwish I'm trying to provide two versions: fixed and fluid. On FF everything is fine, IE not too sure about... but Safari..! On returning to fixed width after choosing the fluid version, all
 background images aren't there anymore, and, sometimes, the entire page is missing except the body background colour!! Refreshing the page brings things back to normal. I have used the same styleswitcher
 script on my personal site and everything's fine... any ideas?I know my eyes are old and tired, but I just don't see any way totrigger any styleswitcher.--Love your neighbor as yourself. Mark 12:31 NIV
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Re: [WSG] need some help

2008-04-15 Thread Adam Morris
I'm in London and hand coded these...

http://www.genieinthehouse.com
http://www.popetown.com


On 11/04/2008, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 well, no slicing as it must be crafted out of Xhtml according to
 existing plansdesign is already done.

 On Apr 10, 2008, at 21:28, Spirit Q.9 Gaming wrote:

 Hi Joe,

 Just slice xhtml or must design and slice?

 On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Максим Косак [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Sorry man, i'm too busy
 
  2008/4/10, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Hi All London Standardistas!
  
   Hope this little job request is agreeable to the list.
  
   I need some quick template creation help (paid) for 2-3 days next week
   possibly. Anyone got some time available?
   You need to be a whizz at fully-compliant XHTML/CSS and modifying a
   basic template to several (6) different variations.
   My deadline got squeezed and I need my OOP coders concentrating on the
   back-end and interface functionality.
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