[WSG] intuitive text resizer for accessibility toolbar

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi all,

I just searched on google and found a couple that left me feeling rather
mentally limp, so your my next port of call.

please pass back links to a text resizer that has the following ability:

  - specify tags
  - specify divs
  - decent instruction, not weak attempts
  - leave me feeling warm and fuzzy inside ;-)

thanks in advance,

Ben


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Re: [WSG] intuitive text resizer for accessibility toolbar

[Benedict Wyss]

To expand a bit further:

What is the standard?

  - multiple inc/decreases?
  - restore or not to restore?
  - a single increase and a single decrease?
  - no decrease?
  - simple v complex JS?
  - no inc or decrease? even

I also need to change the sizes of multiple elements in the main content
area only. ie: h1,2,3,4 and p, for starters.

Cheers,

On 6/21/07, Benedict Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,

I just searched on google and found a couple that left me feeling rather
mentally limp, so your my next port of call.

please pass back links to a text resizer that has the following ability:

   - specify tags
   - specify divs
   - decent instruction, not weak attempts
   - leave me feeling warm and fuzzy inside ;-)

thanks in advance,

Ben

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Re: [WSG] intuitive text resizer for accessibility toolbar

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi Felix,

you are right in everything you write..but, there are always exceptions,
in that we need to (at Veteran's Affairs) cater for visitors accross the
board. We need to consider the realestate taken up and the text size which
are oposite forces and so we need to find a happy medium.

My idea is to have a basic font size to allow a reasonable amount of content
with less scrolling and then in an accessibility toolbar give the visitor
the oportunity to increase the font size in the main content area. This to
me seems like a decent compromise. I am open to correction on that, but it
seems fair though.

So I will still need to place a text resizing mechanism to cover that
government standard for the site.

While awaiting the responses from the list I came up with a simple solution
using a few lines of JS. With the + button, the visitor can increase the (h1
to 4 and p) tags to double the size in the main content area and the -
button will return it to normal. I worked on the assumption that lower that
normal font sizes are unneccessary but as a standard we are obliged to offer
a larger text size alternative, and one that differs from the cnrt+/- that
applies to the whole site.

Cheers,

Ben



On 6/21/07, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 2007/06/21 00:12 (GMT-0400) Benedict Wyss apparently typed:

> I just searched on google and found a couple that left me feeling rather
> mentally limp, so your my next port of call.

> please pass back links to a text resizer that has the following ability:

I think what you want is to reinvent the wheel and clutter your page
duplicating browser tools. One job of a modern web browser to provide its
user with whatever text size adjustment is required to
make a page comfortable and/or usable. They all provide by default a size
determined by scientific tests to be a size that works well for the broadest
range of users, along with at least one tool to
tailor it to personal whim. Presumably each user has either already done
so or found doing so unnecessary. All you need to do is accommodate them all
by leaving the base size as you found it and
setting only contextual sizes relative to the base size presumptively
chosen by each individual user. http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/font-size
http://www.lighthouse.org/accessibility/
http://www.informationarchitects.jp/100e2r?v=4
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Re: [WSG] intuitive text resizer for accessibility toolbar

[Benedict Wyss]

Ya gotta love the WSG,

This is exactly why I post here, where people respond with decent honest
answers with out too much in the way of restriction.

For that I thank you! :-)

All right, so I exaggerated on the "Government Standard", you got me.;-)


I am still unsure on how to proceed, so bare with me a little longer.

Even though I agree on the fixed reasonable font size but, with some sites
there is an over stuffing of content and we have managed to trim the content
owners down on this and so arrive at an agreed amount that if fixed at a
larger font will turn the page into more than necessary scrolling which in
the end leads to a percentage not willing to scroll too much. (no there are
not masses of content).

So even faced with the official W3C standards we still have to compromise
whether we like it or not and so I ask the pointed question - What is the
happy medium?

Please don't quote the various Standards bibles because I am not about that,
we as web developers need to live with in these standards and if a few
conflict with each other then that is what we can come here to discuss and
agree on. (correct me if I am wrong).

So do I approach the powers that be and indicate it is unnecessary to have
this option or do I find a happy medium like I suggested in the previous
post? (my aim being to accommodate the W3C/ Accessibility / IA / etc
Standards and funnily enough provide a decent site for the intended
audience).

Yours Faithfully,

Ben

PS: Side Question: does everyone else see multiple entries for each of my
posts or does this only appear spasmodically on gmail? (I only send it
once). Is there a setting to change?

On 6/22/07, Philip Kiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Benedict Wyss wrote:
> My idea is to have a basic font size to allow a reasonable amount of
> content with less scrolling and then in an accessibility toolbar give
> the visitor the oportunity to increase the font size in the main
> content area. This to me seems like a decent compromise. I am open to
> correction on that, but it seems fair though.
>
> So I will still need to place a text resizing mechanism to cover that
> government standard for the site.

I'm not sure what you mean by "government standard" here.  There is some
debate about whether "text resizer" widgets are a good idea at all, and I
don't think that there is any government standard that explicitly requires
them.  There are a variety of arguments about this, but a couple quick
ones
are: is the widget usable without JavaScript? (This is required for the
site
to meet W3C WCAG 1.0 Priority 1 Guidelines). Is it usable without cookies?
How can you inform a visitor that the widget exists, and what it will do,
if
they cannot read the text on the site to begin with?

What is usually required from a standards perspective, at minimum, is that
a
site use relative font sizes in a way that allows a visitor to increase
the
font size of the site using browser controls.  Some very respectable sites
provide a link to "increase text size" that offer simply an explanation of
how to increase the text size in different browsers, rather than trying to

change the size of the fonts being sent to the browser.


> [...] I worked on
> the assumption that lower that normal font sizes are unneccessary but
> as a standard we are obliged to offer a larger text size alternative,
> and one that differs from the cnrt+/- that applies to the whole site.

I don't think you are obliged to offer "a larger text size alternative,
and
one that differs from the cnrt+/- that applies to the whole site."


> On 6/21/07, Felix Miata wrote:
> I think what you want is to reinvent the wheel and clutter your page
> duplicating browser tools. One job of a modern web browser to provide
> its user with whatever text size adjustment is required to
> make a page comfortable and/or usable.
> [] All you need to do is
> accommodate them all by leaving the base size as you found it and
> setting only contextual sizes relative to the base size presumptively
> chosen by each individual user.

I'd have to agree with Felix on this one, particularly for a site whose
target market includes large numbers of seniors.  Seniors are more likely
to
be unfamiliar with how web browsers work than the younger population, and
as
a result, they will be less likely to know how to change the font size in
their browsers, and they will also be less likely to understand the
function
of font resizing widgets on a page, no matter how you present them.  And
given that deteriorating vision is such a common issue for that
population,
the best approach for a site targeting that market would be to use a large
enough default size that most users can use it.  To do this, I would
seriously consider following Felix's recommendation of leaving the base
size
as you found it.

Phil.



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Re: [WSG] How to send two values to javascript

[Benedict Wyss]

I believe it is as follows;

onchange="showSubcategory(name, email, message)" --- if they are the
name=name and name=email, etc.

or, if you want to parse text, then

onchange="showSubcategory("banana", "orange", "apple")"  --

So when it arrives at the script it becomes an array starting at [0]
to be used how you want.

Cheers,

Ben

On Nov 15, 2007 9:37 AM, Michael Horowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have examples using one value
>
> onchange="showSubcategory(this.value)">
>
> from a form to a script.
>
> What if I need to send two values one from the current element in the
> form and one from another element
>
> Thanks
>
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[WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi all,

in our attempts to improve our accessibility we want to get a version of
JAWS.

My prime question being, is there a developer version that will adequately
do the job with out having to buy the full version?

Further to that, are there any suggestions as to where we can purchase it?

Thanks in advance,

Ben


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Re: [WSG] Looking to source a JAWS version

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi All,

I appreciate all the comments and feel a lot more empowered to actively
manage this aspect.

I honestly didnt think about training (assumed an on-the-fly approach) but
was aware of the difference between testers (sighted / non).

As it is a large area to cover I am open to any and all angles relating to
this subject and welcome all input. I will no doubt be asking more questions
in the future as this progresses.

Thanks again,

Ben


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[WSG] Re: Searching for standards information

[Benedict Wyss]

And then the clouds parted...

http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/

If anyone wants to add then please do so but shall consider this closed.

Cheers,

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Benedict Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am looking for any and all links to comprehensive listings of:
>
>1. Australian Government Industry Best Practices
>2. Australian Government Standards (Privacy, Accessibility and
>Usability)
>
> I have been googling for a while and coming up with bunk.
>
> All assistance welcomed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben
>


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[WSG] Searching for standards information

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi all,

I am looking for any and all links to comprehensive listings of:

   1. Australian Government Industry Best Practices
   2. Australian Government Standards (Privacy, Accessibility and Usability)

I have been googling for a while and coming up with bunk.

All assistance welcomed.

Thanks,

Ben


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Re: [WSG] Re: Searching for standards information

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi Andrew,

First off..good reply.

I like the last paragraph re human rights. Even though I don't need to be
forced to be compliant to standards as I have a conscience but (and excuse
my ignorance) when has being able to access the internet a human right. I
thought it was the domain of things like security, sustenance and protection
from the elements. I am further thinking that in order to obtain justifiable
rights the movement inevitably swings heavily to the right/left in an
attempt to end up in the middle ground.

I am interested in hearing peoples thoughts on this one. Is it a human right
or...?

[disclosure: no offense intended]

Cheers,


On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Andrew Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ben,
>
> AGIMO publishes guidelines that cover some of what you asked for - it is up
> to individual organisations as to which guidelines they follow and how far -
> it shouldn't be that way but it is. Each organisation that I've worked in
> over the last 25 years in Government has had their own writing standards -
> and since there has been a web, their own web
> content/usability/accessibility standards in one form or another. Most are
> compliant in some way or another with WCAG 1.0 - but this is based on
> interpretation, and these interpretations vary between organisations.
>
> Privacy is looked after by the Australian Privacy Commissioner (
> http://www.privacy.gov.au/).
>
> An study of the Australian Government web standards environment is not
> complete without examining the role of the Australian Human Rights
> Commission (http://www.hreoc.gov.au). One of the Commissioners, Graeme
> Innes, has put the lot of us on notice - he will (to use his words) "name
> and shame" organisations that have inaccessible sites. He has started this
> already.
>
> Cheers, Andrew
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Benedict Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> And then the clouds parted...
>>
>> http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/
>>
>> If anyone wants to add then please do so but shall consider this closed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Benedict Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am looking for any and all links to comprehensive listings of:
>>>
>>>1. Australian Government Industry Best Practices
>>>2. Australian Government Standards (Privacy, Accessibility and
>>>Usability)
>>>
>>> I have been googling for a while and coming up with bunk.
>>>
>>> All assistance welcomed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>
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Re: [WSG] Re: Searching for standards information

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi Elizabeth,

Thanks for your clarification as that brings it back into perspectiveI
think I read too much into Andrews reply;-)

I am all about equal opportunity and would not dream of intentionally
excluding anyone especially when it is so easy to include as many as
possible.

Cheers,

ben

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Elizabeth Spiegel <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hi Ben
>
>
>
> In Australia, HREOC is responsible for administering various
> anti-discrimination legislation, including the Disability Discrimination
> Act. (It comes under the banner of 'equal opportunities' rather than 'human
> rights'.) One form of discrimination is offering a service to one group and
> refusing to offer it, or offering on less advantageous terms, to another
> group. For website designers/builders, this means that if you sell stuff (or
> even just offer free information) to the general public and present it in
> such a way that people with a disability (e.g. blind people using screen
> readers; people with movement disorders that make it difficult/impossible to
> use a mouse) can't access it, you are breaking the law.
>
>
>
> *Elizabeth Spiegel*
>
> *Web editing*
>
> *0409 986 158*
>
> *GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001*
>
> *www.spiegelweb.com.au*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> Behalf Of *Benedict Wyss
> *Sent:* Saturday, 25 October 2008 11:07 PM
> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Re: Searching for standards information
>
>
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> First off..good reply.
>
> I like the last paragraph re human rights. Even though I don't need to be
> forced to be compliant to standards as I have a conscience but (and excuse
> my ignorance) when has being able to access the internet a human right. I
> thought it was the domain of things like security, sustenance and protection
> from the elements. I am further thinking that in order to obtain justifiable
> rights the movement inevitably swings heavily to the right/left in an
> attempt to end up in the middle ground.
>
> I am interested in hearing peoples thoughts on this one. Is it a human
> right or...?
>
> [disclosure: no offense intended]
>
> Cheers,
>
>  On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Andrew Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> AGIMO publishes guidelines that cover some of what you asked for - it is up
> to individual organisations as to which guidelines they follow and how far -
> it shouldn't be that way but it is. Each organisation that I've worked in
> over the last 25 years in Government has had their own writing standards -
> and since there has been a web, their own web
> content/usability/accessibility standards in one form or another. Most are
> compliant in some way or another with WCAG 1.0 - but this is based on
> interpretation, and these interpretations vary between organisations.
>
> Privacy is looked after by the Australian Privacy Commissioner (
> http://www.privacy.gov.au/).
>
> An study of the Australian Government web standards environment is not
> complete without examining the role of the Australian Human Rights
> Commission (http://www.hreoc.gov.au). One of the Commissioners, Graeme
> Innes, has put the lot of us on notice - he will (to use his words) "name
> and shame" organisations that have inaccessible sites. He has started this
> already.
>
> Cheers, Andrew
>
>   On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Benedict Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>  And then the clouds parted...
>
> http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/
>
> If anyone wants to add then please do so but shall consider this closed.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Benedict Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am looking for any and all links to comprehensive listings of:
>
>1. Australian Government Industry Best Practices
>2. Australian Government Standards (Privacy, Accessibility and
>Usability)
>
> I have been googling for a while and coming up with bunk.
>
> All assistance welcomed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben
>
>
>
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Re: [WSG] Login/password app?

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi Brooke,

I used .htaccess as a way to control this aspect as a simple solution before
you find a more robust one as needed. I suggest trying it out and see what
you think.

Option I = Manually put it together via a tutorial
http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/htaccess/

Option II = "htadmin" a prepared solution = $5
http://www.htadmin.com/

After spending the wopping $5 a long time ago and saw later that it was also
easy to replicate . depending on skill level.

Cheers,

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Brooke Nelson  wrote:

> I need an app that will prompt users for a login and password to view
> a certain page. I will need a different login/password combo for each
> user.
>
> I know that there is likely a simple solution to this, but I haven't
> needed anything like this before. Is there any easy PHP-based script
> to use?
>
> Basically, I would like a little form with a username and password
> field that when entered correctly will reveal or direct users to
> another page.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> If it matters, my site is hosted on an Apache/Linux server.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Brooke
>
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Re: [WSG] [Spam] :changing font sizes from within a page.

[Benedict Wyss]

I am also interested.I have been asked to deliver it inside a
SharePoint site.
I would like to hear from anyone who has been there...done that

Thanks,

Ben

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:05 PM, designer <
desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk> wrote:

>  I would be grateful if someone could tell me what is the current best
> practice for letting users change the font-size (e.g., by clicking on three
> 'a's of different sizes to make different css files be used) on the web
> site.  Is it still a good idea, or do we go for the approach of using the
> browser to do it?  Any and all helpful suggestions gratefully appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
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[WSG] best standard / format for imbeded mp3 player in browser

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi all,

just wondering which (free) mp3 player works best cross browsers with
minimal code etc etc

All opinions and suggestions welcome.

Thanks,

Ben


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Re: [WSG] best standard / format for imbeded mp3 player in browser

[Benedict Wyss]

I like some of the flash players out there.

I did a little searching and found an option using flash but parseing a url
to it with 1 line of code to put in the page.

I set a demo here http://wysstech.com/audio/test.htm.

Any opinions on this method

On 4/12/07, Brad Pollard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 For those after a flash component, this one is good:
http://www.1pixelout.net/code/audio-player-wordpress-plugin/

brad
fatpublisher <http://fatpublisher.com.au>

- Original Message -
*From:* Jixor - Stephen I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:53 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] best standard / format for imbeded mp3 player in
browser

Yes, IMHO the best thing to do is to provide both a direct link to the
file and a flash player that is customized to your site's design.

James Ellis wrote:

Hi Ben

file.mp3 [50 Kb] works well and allows
people to play the file in the player of their choice (maybe they even have
their browser set up to do this if they want). They can also download it for
later playing.

If you want to play it inside a browser then I'm sure there is a flash
component that will play mp3's with play and pause buttons?

HTH
James

On 4/12/07, Benedict Wyss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> just wondering which (free) mp3 player works best cross browsers with
> minimal code etc etc
>
> All opinions and suggestions welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben
>


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Re: [WSG] Browser Check with Firefox 1.5

[Benedict Wyss]

I have FF 2.0 and it renders fine on first and second glance.

Fix up those "strict" validation issues and see how you go again.

Rgds',

Ben

On 4/17/07, Jonathan O'Donnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Samuel

Just for interest, I checked it in both Firefox 1.5.0.6 and Opera
9.01 on Mac OS X 10.4.9.

In both cases, the page background is a red tile pattern with orange
highlights. The text area appears as a very very pale red (or deep
pink) surrounding a white background for the form.

I hope that this is of some help.

Your html code doesn't validate, which probably doesn't help.


Some of your style sheets don't validate, either.



Although I suspect that the latter is tailored to some specific
condition, like a specific browser, maybe.
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On 17/04/2007, at 4:06 PM, Samuel Richardson wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> I've noticed a problem on our website when rendering pages with
> Firefox 1.5 (and possibly lower).
>
>
> If you have Firefox 1.5 installed could you please take a look at
> the following page:
>
>
> http://www.intrepidtravel.com/africatrees
>
>
> And let me know if the main content area renders with a black
> background.
>
>
> Has anybody encountered this rendering bug before? I think it might
> be related to the size of the background image being used in that
> content field. It's only occurring when using Firefox 1.5 (and
> possibly lower), Firefox 2.0 renders that pages fine.
>
>
> --
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>
> Samuel Richardson
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Re: Autoresponders on the list Was: Re: [WSG] equal height columns

[Benedict Wyss]

This is definitely an issue and I second it. But if we as professionals are
going to deal with this issue on an ongoing basis then a solution will be
handy and left for the administrator to pass to the offending party
involved.

My suggestion only.

So that being said is there a solution that suits all?

People need to have auto responders for business reasons, does this mean we
say people on the list have to send and receive from a web mail address not
a work address?

Cheers,

Ben

On 4/18/07, Matthew Cruickshank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dear WSG,

I suggest that those annoyed at these autoresponders begin a list of
companies, organisations, and people who can't operate their email
machines. This way you can avoid doing business with them, or - when you
see them on the street - you can throw scrunched up balls of paper at
them.

And to those sending these autoresponders... I know that these email
thingymabobs and computer dohickys get a little complex. Perhaps you
could enroll in a night class?


.Matthew Cruickshank
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Re: Autoresponders on the list Was: Re: [WSG] equal height columns

[Benedict Wyss]

Spot on... there is little reason for read receipts as they are in the end
unreliable etc etc

But I was referring specifically to the out of office responders.

On 4/18/07, Brian Cummiskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Benedict Wyss wrote:
> People need to have auto responders for business reasons, does this
> mean we say people on the list have to send and receive from a web
> mail address not a work address?
I don't think "View -> Options -> Uncheck 'request read receipt'"  box
is too much to ask before clicking on reply, do you?

I find it very annoying, to the point where i auto delete the message
without even reading it even if the subject had interested me before hand.




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[WSG] dl v table for form layout

[Benedict Wyss]

Hi all,

I am having a discussion with colleagues here at work (won't mention our
site as it stinks) about the best way forward for form layouts.

I have one person saying he will continue to use tables till otherwise
informed.

I have another who uses none of the above, which you can imaging is not that
good to look at with everything butting up against each other. His other
suggestion was to add  's to move things about.

I like to use the definition list with Labels.

Now I know the dl I am using is not being used exactly as it was originally
used (good point), but I say it is 100 times better than tables.

Can I get a WSG response on the best format to layout a form.

Cheers,

Ben


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