Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE

[Blake]

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Mike Kear  wrote:
> Google Chrome now amounts to over half the traffic on these sites.

Wow, that's the first time I've seen Chrome over 4%.

Why are these stats so scewed, if I may ask?

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Re: [WSG] Re: Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

[Blake]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Dave Hall  wrote:
> I would suggest that w3schools attracts a "more switched on user" than
> say Live Search, YouTube or myspace/facebook/insert social network here.
> Stats from those types of sites are what I would be more interested in
> seeing.

Good luck to the Facebook user without JavaScript enabled. o_O

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Re: [WSG] headings to divide sections

[Blake]

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Ben Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I didn't use display:none because screen readers would ignore it, hence I'm
> using absolute positioning. Is this a good idea, or would it add more noise?

>From what I understand screen reader users can have all of the
headings on a page read out to them, so relevant headings are a useful
tool for navigating a page. Using headings as labels for sections
seems like a good accessibility practice to me.

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Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

[Blake]

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Anthony Ziebell
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere.

Yes, it's definitely real. I feel ashamed of being Australian right there.

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Re: [WSG] First Attempt

[Blake]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Dave Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course, there are some who say that hand coding websites is too
> inefficient... but the way to make hand coding more efficient *isn't* to
> use Dreamweaver or [insert your favourite WYSIWYG HTML editor here].

Actually, as far as coding goes I think using the right editor makes a
big difference to the time it takes to push out code. I use
Dreamweaver, but I just use it because the various auto-complete
features mean I only type about 1/4 of the code produced.

Just as an example for a basic image replacement technique I can
simply type (each line-break represents hitting the enter key):

a { b
url(whatever.jpg) 0 0 no-repeat; dis
b
; h
27px; ov
h
; text-i
-px; widt
100px; }

And Dreamweaver will output:

a { background: url(whatever.jpg) 0 0 no-repeat; display: block;
height: 27px; overflow: hidden; text-indent: -px; width: 100px; }

And that's just a CSS example, not to mention the time saved
developing HTML templates, JavaScript, PHP, etc. Choosing the right
text editor for what you do can save a HUGE amount of time.

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Re: [WSG] .NET sites which are XHTML 1.0 strict

[Blake]

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Robin Gorry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.mucu4u.org.nz/Home_61.aspx
> http://www.oneeast.co.nz/
> http://www.colorfastsigns.co.nz/Home_34.aspx

None of those sites validate.


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Re: [WSG] Is it a good practice to have 'Back to Top' link?

[Blake]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Robin Shi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Blake,
>
> In my experience, "position: fixed" seems not work with IE.
>
> Robin

Ah. I've never actually had to use it.

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Re: [WSG] Is it a good practice to have 'Back to Top' link?

[Blake]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Robin Shi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If the page has been scrolled down or up, whatever, the JS will reposition 
> the div to make sure it's not outside of the view.

Is it just me, or could you not use position: fixed?

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Blake]

Seems about par for the course.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Anton Babushkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> people are just freaking over nothing.


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[Blake]

Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that
information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing?

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tee,
>
> my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web content
> providers:
> http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome
>
> Cheers, Andrew


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Blake]

Oh, the browser works fine. I can access everything except google
services which require me to login. It just attempts to redirect to
their authentication page and kind of... stops. Loads for a while then
nothing, just a blank white page.

Again, only Google services, so kind of epic fail.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Anton Babushkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Google Chrome wasn't working for me in the office either, but I think its
> all due to the firewall and proxy that we have setup here. It couldn't seem
> to negotiate between the proxy and the installer. I just hooked it up to an
> outside ADSL connection (my work PC that is), and typing this Email through
> Chrome right now :)


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

[Blake]

Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost
instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed.

However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in
fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem
affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting
everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google.

(e-mail sent from Gmail in Firefox!!)

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Jeffery Lowder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent pages 
> I've been working on and it puts FF to shame.
> If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing is going 
> to take off big time.


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Re: [WSG] Marking up a Calendar

[Blake]

On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:42 AM, 8bits Media
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We currently have a project that includes a calendar in the design. The
> dilemma I currently have, is what is the best way to mark the calendar up?
> Should we use tables, or is it more semantically correct these days to use
> an unordered list?

A table every time. A day on a calendar recieves meaning from the
table (month), the row (week), and the column (day) that it is in, and
IMO a table is the only sensible way to reperesent such complex
relationships between data.


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Re: [WSG] dl question

[Blake]

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 1:20 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Semantically, isn't the whole point of a  to use definition data tags
> ('s) to describe a definition title ()!? Does it make sense to have
> multiple definition titles in the same ?! Or does it make more sense to
> have a seperate  for each ??

A DL is a definition LIST - a list of definitions. Multiple terms and
definitions makes perfect sense.


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Re: [WSG] Semantic markup of a byline & date/time

[Blake]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Ben Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Normally I'd use spans for all 3 elements, but I'm quite interested to find
> out a better way of doing this.
> Did you manage to find a solution to this?

Normally I use DIVs with appropriate class names.


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Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.

[Blake]

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Rob Enslin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've recently built a website trying to move towards more
> standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my
> world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a
> colleague noticed rogue 'ls." text some way down the home page.

I haven't had a proper look at it, but have you tried removing the
comments in the source code? That should get rid of the problem.


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Re: [WSG] * { display: inline; }

[Blake]

On Feb 18, 2008 10:00 AM, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is that supposed to happen? And if so, why? I am honestly stumped on
> this one.

All the information in the HEAD is still part of the document but is
automatically styled as { display: none; } IIRC. When you set all
elements to { display: inline; } that overwrited the browsers default
of { display: none; }.

Hope that clears it up.

Cheers,
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Re: [WSG] floats not wrapping

[Blake]

Add a width to the containing element to 'brace' the page so that it
can't shrink below the width of the container element. Make sure that
width is wide enough to accomodate the floated layout as you want it.

Regards,
Blake

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Taco Fleur
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> does anyone know how I can stop floats from wrapping (not sure if thats the
> right word for it).
> Best way to explain it is by going to the following page and resize the
> browser to something smaller than 800px
> http://www.clickfind.com.au/advertise-online.cfm
>
> Once you do that, the right side float starts to go below the first float,
> which is really not what I want to happen, the browser should just show the
> horizontal scrollbar when the browser is resized.
>
> Would adding a whitespace:nowrap somewhere do the trick? And if so, what
> kind of support does that have?
> Maybe I should lay the page out differently?
>
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: [WSG] Usability & Accessibility Over Design?

[Blake]

My general school of thought is that usability is a product of good UI
design and accessibility is a product of good coding practice. Of
course UI design and coding overlap, in that they both impact both
fields, so it is the job of the designer AND front-end developer to
make things tick for as many users as possible.

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Re: [WSG] reading the spec [WAS: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?]

[Blake]

On 6/5/07, Paul Novitski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Perhaps our debates would be kinder if we ruminated longer on our
shared plight: abandoned on a barren planet with only fifty kinds of
parts with which to build everything we need.


Well said. In all a very insightful post. I agree, generally we're all
trying to do our best with what we have.

However, some of us are pedantic about using the most appropriate
element possible while others are happy to use something that makes
sense in their styling context. I think some of us (myself included)
lose touch a little when we see someone do something differently to
how we would, and start getting all high and mighty.

In a way, it's so easy to do, because we are passionate about what we
do. I think that's why we clash horns so often, because we do care.
But so many developers don't care at all, so I think we should
remember that we're generally on the same side on this list.

Regards,
Blake

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Re: [WSG] Re: Use of Fieldsets other than in form?

[Blake]

On 6/5/07, Lucien Stals <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The HTML 4 specs say...

"The FIELDSET element allows authors to group thematically related
controls and labels..."

While "controls and labels"  refer to form controls, the fieldset
itself can contain anything. My opinion would be that the important part
of the use of fieldset is "group thematically related" content.

I say go for it!


If you only use a few words of a sentence you can make it say anything
you want. You can't just lop off the end of a sentence to change its
context. It says 'controls and labels' and it's meant that way.

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Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

[Blake]

Keep it up and you'll get your page size back up to nested table
levels ;-)


I was expecting a response like that. As I said, it is over the top,
but it is an idea of how far things can go if you try too hard to
pursue semantics. Sometimes the goal post is a little too far away,
and we can only get close.

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Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

[Blake]

On 5/27/07, Katrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In some sense, the label and input are thematically related.


Interesting idea, and in a way I agree. However I still think, in
combination with fieldsets and appropriate form elements, that a ul is
an appropriate way to mark up form controls. For example, I have
recently been marking-up forms roughly like this:



Personal Details


First Name



Last Name





Contact Details


Address



City



Postcode



E-mail Address






To my way of thinking this is a semantically correct way of displaying
a form. I have a fieldset grouping related form controls. Inside the
fieldset I have a list of individual form controls. Makes perfect
sense.

In a way I could almost take Katrina's thinking a little further wrap
each fieldset in an  tag as part of an unordered list of
fieldsets, and insert an additional fieldset into each exisiting li.
Like so...





Personal Details



First 
Name





Last 
Name








Contact Details



Address





City





Postcode





E-mail 
Address









Yes, it may be overkill (but then compound elements often seem
pointless until you look depper), but I think it's hard to argue the
semantic value of an unordered list when there are repeating elements
that have the same underlying purpose or meaning.

In reality there are a lot of ways that you could do this that make
sense on some level, and the fact that there is such a discussion
about this proves that this is an issue that is commonly faced, and I
find it interesting that there is currently no firm consensus on the
best way to create semantic meaning around form elements.

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Re: [WSG] Semantics and

[Blake Haswell]

Specific to your situation, I question whether an article's date or
its supplementary text is really best characterized as being "less
important" than the article itself.  That doesn't strike me as a
useful semantic distinction.  In the absence of markup elements
 and , you may be left without a semantically
direct way of specifying your auxiliary content in today's
HTML.  Personally I don't think  fits the bill.


My example of article date or supplementary information at the end of
an article was just one which I had to think of on the spot. Perhaps
citations, footnotes, references, etc. make better examples of the
type of thing I'm thinking of.

The use of  has been something I've had in the back of my mind
for a while and there are a number of situations where I feel some
information should possibly be marked up as supplementary information
that is in support of, but not directly part of, an article.

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Re: [WSG] Semantics and

[Blake Haswell]

HTML 5 (love it or hate it) redefines  as being semantic. I would say that, in 
the absence of anything else,  would probably be your best bet.


Okay, thanks. That pretty much confirms my thoughts, so I'll continue
to consider it for the moment.

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[WSG] Semantics and

[Blake Haswell]

Hey list,

We have two elements, EM and STRONG, to emphasise text as being more
important than the text around it, but we don't seem to have any
elements to show that text is less important than the surrounding
text.

What is the best way to show something is less important than the
surrounding information (e.g. the date of a post or article,
supplementary information at the bottom of a post or article)?

It seems to me the only tag that represents anything remotely close to
that is the  tag, however that is a purely presentational tag
according to the W3C specifications as it only specifies font
information.

While style sheets and, for example the SPAN element, are definitely a
better way of specifying the font information that the SMALL element
would provide, they don't provide any semantic information to indicate
that the text is less important.

What do you guys think about showing that something is less important
relative to the surrounding content?

Regards,
Blake


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Re: [WSG] dropdown menus

[Blake Haswell]

On 4/24/07, Shane Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I thought I would bring this before the group to hear your opinions
on using dropdown menus.  How do you feel about them?  What is the
best method for usability?


I think they have their place, and with modern browsers it's not such
a problem in terms of support. But then it depends just who the
audience is, and how much backwards compatibility you really want.

I think the biggest problem is usability, because a lot of people
aren't comfortable using them and they can be a bit tricky if you have
difficulty using a mouse.

You also have to be sure that a user can access the deepest levels of
the menu using just a keyboard, so you have to make sure to add :focus
pseudo-class to your :hover CSS rules so that when a user tabs over a
link its sub-menu pops up. But then this adds the problem of a user
having to (potentially) tab through upwards of 20 or 30 links to get
to the one that they want.

In the end, if it's possible, it's probably best to have a well
thought-out page structure, rather than a drop-down menu. Sometimes
you just have to make a compromise if it's what the client wants.

In terms of the method, I think the Suckerfish method [1] is the best
way to do it. Of course it can be adapted to come up with any sort of
results that you like, the CSS isn't too revolutionary.

[1] 

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Re: [WSG] handling accessible form

[Blake Haswell]

On 4/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On the other hand, relying on the form data to indicate which fields to
validate may be dangerous - a malicious user may rename the field before
submission, potentially bypassing your security.


Well obviously you'd validate again on the server, right?

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Re: [WSG] Markup for Poetry?

[Blake]

On 3/30/07, Jeremy Boggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm working on a website that contains a number of poems. Are there
any discussions or examples on strategies for marking up and styling
poetry?


Poetry is one of the few times when it's semantically correct to use
, IMO. For example, something like this could be okay:

Dulce Et Decorum Est

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.
GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!— An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Wilfred Owen



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Re: [WSG] css mark up for creating table dynamically?

[Blake]

On 2/27/07, kevin zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm creating my table dynamically - for instance, using ASP.NET tech to pull
data from a database.Question is  how can i use css to mark up my table?
any idea?


Why is the back-end relevant? The mark-up is still a table when the
browser receives it...

What sort of data is going into the table – perhaps that is more
relevant to how you style it...

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