Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs
I do recall reading somewhere that it's possible to link a div to an external source (it used an attribute like data or src) but I think it was a Netscape-ism. you can take it a step further with a server side include: div id=somescroller ?php include (somefile.php); ? /div * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs
Scott Barnes wrote: Are you absolutly positive about iframes not being available in strict XHTML? because I've got one working as we speak? !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; ?? working and being valid are two different things all together. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)
Scott Barnes wrote: I will say that the user of Object tag was a new one for me.. is there any compatibility issues out there for using it that you know off? I understand your thinking, and the whole it's the cool thing to do but it honestly does have its advantages if used correctly. The SEO side of things, as well as more portable, easier to update, cleaner code base. As for the object tag, I'm not familiar with any of its limitations, if any. To me, it sounds like there could be some issues with it. I'm not too familair with it, but I remember there being a different method for both IE and NN browsers back in the day- I just can't recall what it was. Something about codebase vs something else- It's early morning, and i'm not fully awake yet. need mroe coffee :) But, the problem with the object tag is that it relies a lot of the user's browser more than anything to actually pull of the inclusion- and again, to me, that's server side territory. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)
Hugh Todd wrote: I mean, I'm sure the people in the w3c gang are really smart monkeys, but like all clusters of people, politics could end up driving it (whether it be some small hidden demon within who voted No on something purely because the guy who thought it up made a bad XMAS party joke about him)? its why we as a society just fail at coming to a collective decision on topics unless a majority ruling is in fact in place (look to local governments). The way i see it is, if what the W3 distributes as a DTD can effect the way EVERY major browser on the market renders layout, who else really is there to follow? I can put: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//JoeSchmoe//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.joeschmoe.org//xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; html xml:lang=en lang=en xmlns=http://www.joeschmoe.org/1999/xhtml; and well, guess what- We're back in quirks mode on most browsers. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] font size question
Giles Clark wrote: font: 12px/19px How is the split font size being used. Thanks You might be asking something else here, but: 12px/19px equates to 12px font size with a 19px line height * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)
Hugh Todd wrote: Brian, Just to deny that I wrote this. The attribution belongs to Scott Barnes, I think. My belief is that the W3C is much more accountable than Scott seems to imagine. -Hugh Opps- Thunderbird handels multiple quoted messages poorly. I blame it fully for that error :) Couldn't possibly be user error :X * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Does anybody know an expandable vertical css/js menu based on uls?
Gerhard Schoder wrote: Sorry I forgot to mention: The sublevels need to be opened below the toplevel element. Something easily done on a server-side basis, but I'd need it on a flat-file-stupid system. Thanks again! Hi Folks! Could one of you please point me to a vertical menu solution based on css/js and semantically structured by ul/li's? I'd love to have a solution that opens a sublevel-ul when clicked on a toplevel navigation item. It would need 4-5 sublevels... I know this is a lot to ask for, but maybe somebody knows a webstandard - konform solution to that bugger ;) check out http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/sub01.htm * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] [Fwd: New XHTML 2.0 draft, HTML/XHTML FAQ, XML Events for HTML Authors]
XHTML 2 draft is out. see below. -- Masayasu Ishikawa wrote: Hello, After long editorial work, finally the sixth public Working Draft of XHTML 2.0 is now available at: http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xhtml2-20040722 The HTML Working Group thanks the great many people on this list for lots of thoughtful feedback. We are still actively working on resolving remaining issues, and appreciate your feedback. Public discussion may take place here, but if you have an issue, please make sure to send your issue to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your issue can be properly regisitered as an issue. The HTML Working Group also published two documents: HTML and XHTML Frequently Answered Questions http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2004/xhtml-faq This is a non-exhaustive list of questions and answers on HTML and XHTML. Comments and suggestions should be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] XML Events for HTML Authors http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2004/xmlevents-for-html-authors This document is a quick introduction to XML Events for HTML authors. XML Events is a method of catching events in markup languages that offers several advantages over the HTML onclick style of event handling. Thanks, * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?
Chris Blown wrote: On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 10:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is the Firefox browser used by Web Developers? What does it have that makes it a good tool? - over other browsers? Why not Opera? DOM Inspector Venkman Javascript Debugger Edit CSS Browser Session Saving Open Bookmark Groups in Tabs Style Selector Icon And this plugin extension tool bar: http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxid=60vid=63 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Hacks
Andy Budd wrote: So I'm interested to hear what you folks think. Do you hack or are you hack free? If you hack, what methods do you use, why do you use that method, and more importantly, why do you need it in the first place? I'm like you... box model, and even that, rarely. I KNOW some things on my site don't work 100% on IE. But, it still works, and degrades gracefully- just don't have the same broder, or is not perfectly lined up Everywhere I go on the forums, I'm ranting something about IE and promoting firefox... enough so that my stats are now reaching close to 25% of my userbase has made the move to firefox, and ie is dropping below 60% Soon enough, i think i will be able to say the opposite. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing
Nick Lo wrote: http://9rules.com/whitespace/css_redesigns/yahoo_css_redesign.php Good writeup- but I must say yahoo has done a horid job so far. HTML Errors: 223 The css validates, but it is horrid. in 2 days, how could one ever remember what #v or where#v #v4.h appears in the document? IMO, they need to get some developers in there who actually know what they're doing. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing
Darren Wood wrote: I think you're missing the point...agreed the code is well shoddy, but, as Scrivs says, this is a major step forward for the web. If the best/most popular site on the web is tableless and moving towards complete web standards, then it becomes very easy for us to sell tableless/web standards to our clients: Client: Why should I use web standards on my site? Us: Well - yahoo.com is built that way. Its one of the most visited sites on the web. Surely they know what they're doing...?... etc Understandable- but at the same time, IMO, I'd rather see them have a table-ridden, quirks mode site than a table-less site that is developped poorly as an example site. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing
Tony Crockford wrote: At 09:34 on Thursday, 30 Sep 2004, Mugur Padurean wrote: Tony Crockford wrote: I'm a bit confused, if I go to http://www.yahoo.com/ I'm still seeing the tabled version. have they got some clever locale sniffing going on or what? (I'm in the UK) Here you go: http://www.yahoo.com/?r=1096530966 but sadly not for me seems to be very selective, some colleagues in a different office (1 on mac 1 on pc) get two different sites... going to http://yahoo.com/beta will set a cookie on your machine and keep you on the beta table-less layout ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Let's give Yahoo our feedback. They provide a way to receive feedback using the link under the search box. True, our comments may fall on deaf ears, or they may not. But from my experience, numbers do matter, so I filled out the feedback form and voiced my option on their partial move to standards. I agree- and in fact, I already sent feedback via their form they have linked on the main beta site. I offered constructive criticism and gave a couple links and ideas on how to better their efforts. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] video standards?
I'm producing a small video, and per request, he wants it in wmv format. What's the extent of apple/linux guys being able to view this format? are their codecs for non-windows systems? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] video standards?
Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, If the client is at all flexible, I would suggest looking into .flv. The flash video fromat is taking off like wildfire, and with the flash player penetration, it is a stable solution: http://www.flashstreamworks.com/ Looks great- But i don't have flash, nor have even messed around with it (frankly, i can't stand flash websites), and the software they recommend is $450. That's more than i'm getting paid for this job, and is just not profitable, nor logical, for me to spend more than my contract for something that the client doesn't want anyway. Pretty sure i'm going to stick with the wmv format, as per his request. It's his site. I recommended an mpg4 and avi/divx as an alternative format, but he only wants 1. His choice... and windows movie maker is a piece of cake to use :) With the link to the other software posted a few back, i think i will simply provice a link to get the software (like a get flash button) or something. I guess this will conclude this thread unless someone has something to change my clients mind and is practical (free? cheap? something like that) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Need direction with key detection
not sure if this will help or give a pointer, but we use this code to
keep users from hitting the refresh key and escape keys. Our enviroment
(3rd party web browser-like interface) doesn't have a back button, so
we never dealt with that issue. it might be able to be tweaked for the
back button too.
function document_onkeydown()
{
// keycode for F5 function
// traps F5 key press assign to backspace
// then cancels backspace ;-)
if (window.event window.event.keyCode == 116) {
alert(diabled);
window.event.keyCode = 8;
// keycode for backspace
if (window.event window.event.keyCode == 8) {
// cancel the backspace
window.event.cancelBubble = true;
window.event.returnValue = false;
return false;
}
}
// escape key
if (window.event window.event.keyCode == 27) {
alert(disabled);
window.event.returnValue = false;
}
}
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Re: [WSG] question - follow, index meta tag
The Man With His Guide Dog At The Tent Store wrote: I know I should read about Robots from the Robot FAQ web site. However, I am a little pressed for time right now. What do I need to web sites to stop Robots reading my web sites I maintain? Thank you. in robots.txt User-agent: * Disallow: /www.mysite.com/ but, it has its limitations. using an .htaccess file is the only real way to stop a robot. http://www.website-promotion-ranking-services.com/tutorials/27.htm ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Reduce Page Weight
John Ozturk wrote: The point of putting metatags on pages is mostly for search engines. 6 years ago this was the case, but all the good ones today, this is simply untrue. content drives search engines more than meta tags do. in fact, i don't even run meta tags anymore and have multiple top 10 result sets on google, yahoo, msn and aol's search engines. that said, i wouldn't even bother with the user agent switch/conditional. its really just not worth the coding time. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] noscript in xhtml1.0 strict
Nick Verstappen wrote: Is the noscript tag not allowed anymore in XHTML 1.0 Strict? I'm trying to use it, but it does not validate. If it IS allowed, what markup should I use to make it validate? Many thanks! Nick, you need to format it like this: div script type='text/javascript' src='java.js'/script noscript diva href=nojava.htmlNo JavaScript user link/a/div /noscript /div you can ignore the outer wrapper div if you wish, but i like to keep them all in one 'block' ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] SiteCheck please
http://PirateQueen.tk http://piratequeen.tk/ let me know what you think :) admin, close this thread. it has NOTHING to do with webstandards. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another amazing css zen garden entry
Todd Baker wrote: hang on a sec.. Ill just pick my jaw up of the ground Thats amazing. those bubbles own :) seriously, awesome job. But, its not balanced at all. Until i got to the bottom i was like ok, what's the big deal?. Perhaps thats a feat in and of itself... http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.css-praxis.de/cssocean/zenoc ean.css Make sure you look in a good browser and scroll down! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Color Scheme Tools (Was: My Site)
I like: http://www.webwhirlers.com/colors/wheel.asp has a colour wheel and some theory behind colors. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Odd IE Issue...
Chris Stratford wrote: hey group, odd problem here: www.gamerdb.net using IE, that page seems to take AGES to load the background. It also scrolls funny, and when you have it in the background with another app in half-screen view over it, and switch back to it, it almost like re-loads it self for me. i've seen this happen before with the http://www.neester.com/DTD/xhtml-target.dtd; DTD. i'd recommend using a real w3 dtd and really make it strict. you don't seem to be using targets on any of your links, so why not? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Slightly OT... Interview with IE Dev team
Kornel Lesinski wrote: How *Microsoft* would benefit from supporting XHTML and CSS2? To play the counter act here... How does microsoft benefit by offering IE at all? It's free. Updates are free. It costs them bandwidth for downloads and updates. It costs them staff time to code, fix, patch, etc. and they don't get a dime off it. So why not support some standards :p ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
Paul wrote: I have been writing html code for awhile now and and starting to realize how inaccessible and non-web compliant my pages are. I have always hand written code in Edit Plus 2, is there a better editor I can use for web standards ( like Dreamweaver MX ? ) and where should I start for tips on accessibility and standards compliance. Thanks for any help. Paul The editor doesn't make you write bad code-- you do :) I use edit plus2 for all of my dev work, and 99% of it is valid xhtml/css. the last 1% is because i'm on an MS system at work, and we all know how sometimes, theres just no way to do it right and serve a 99.9995% IE6 audience. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] firefox bug?
Alan Trick wrote:
I've been working on redesigning a website and I have a bug where there
is a bit of space at the top of the body that won't go away. I'm not
sure it it's padding or margin or what, but I tried setting all of those
to 0 and it wouldn't go away
Do you have a form on the page? (you forgot to provide a link) Firefox
applies a default margin/padding to form elements.
form { display: inline; margin: 0; padding: 0; }
try that.
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Re: [WSG] usage of new entities in dtd's
Alan Trick wrote:
Ideally you can use something like PHP and check
the HTTP_ACCEPT
the following came across a list (maybe this one) a while back
?php
//Sends the correct MIME type depending on the browser
//Created on 11th November 2004
//Amended on n/a
//Version 0.1
$charset = iso-8859-1;
$mime = text/html;
if(stristr($_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT],application/xhtml+xml)) {
# if there's a Q value for application/xhtml+xml then also
# retrieve the Q value for text/html
if(preg_match(/application\/xhtml\+xml;q=0(\.[1-9]+)/i,
$_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT], $matches)) {
$xhtml_q = $matches[1];
if(preg_match(/text\/html;q=0(\.[1-9]+)/i,
$_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT], $matches)) {
$html_q = $matches[1];
# if the Q value for XHTML is greater than or equal to that
# for HTML then use the application/xhtml+xml mimetype
if($xhtml_q = $html_q) {
$mime = application/xhtml+xml;
}
}
# if there was no Q value, then just use the
# application/xhtml+xml mimetype
} else {
$mime = application/xhtml+xml;
}
}
# special check for the W3C_Validator
if (stristr($_SERVER[HTTP_USER_AGENT],W3C_Validator)) {
$mime = application/xhtml+xml;
}
# set the prolog_type according to the mime type which was determined
if($mime == application/xhtml+xml) {
$prolog_type = ?xml version='1.0' encoding='$charset' ?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC '-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN'
'http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd'
html xmlns='http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml' xml:lang='en';
} else {
$prolog_type = !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC '-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0
Strict//EN'
'http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd'
html lang='en';
}
# finally, output the mime type and prolog type
header(Content-Type: $mime;charset=$charset);
header(Vary: Accept);
print $prolog_type;
?
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Re: [WSG] is an empty href value valid
Alan Trick wrote: If I want a link that points to whatever page i am alread at (without any querystrings I can use a href='' (for example, I'm at index.php?start=10 and I want to go to index.php) Is this allowed? Not sure, but, why not just use a href=?= $PHP_SELF; ? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Little cool feature?
thats pretty neat! it says it doesn't work in ie, but i see the skeleton in it... strange. David Laakso wrote: Ah, the possibilities...? http://biocandy.dk/test.html And it works in Opera8, too! Sorry. I think temptation exceeds my better judgement. Rgards, David ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Comments
Kerri McKenna wrote: Hi everyone, I realize that /* */ are used to add comments to CSS, but I'm not clear on what /* \*/ means, or what the single asterisk is used for. /* */ pairs alone are comments, yes, but they are also used as hacks when they are used in the right sequence. Some browsers can read through it, some skip it. more info: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/browser-specific-css-hacks ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] whats this
Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 12 May 2005, at 10:44 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: Could be an Ooops. No, not at all. Even if there's no CSS that references it, it provides a hook if you *do* want to style that element individually later on... I always give my nav links unique IDs for that purpose. it can also serve as a bookmark... a href=page.html#homehome/a on another page will bring you right to that menu. saves from adding a id=home/a tags. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hi there!
Erica Jean wrote: Is there somewhere I could download older browsers for testing by chance? http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=msie http://wp.netscape.com/download/archive/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
Mike Whitehurst wrote: is this mailing list for anything other than helping novice designers with their hacks? [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a pretty much catch-all for web/html/php/sql/asp/apache.javascript/flash help. sign up. http://www.evolt.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IBM article
Zulema wrote: Hi all, I got this link from a friend at work and wanted to pass it on ;) Migrate apps from Internet Explorer to Mozilla http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-ie2mozgd/ Funny, I'm always trying to fuge it to work for IE, not the other way around as the article suggests :wink: ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opening external links in popup windows with no extra markup
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Hi all,
I'd appreciate your feedback about this technique that does not rely on
hooks; it only uses the href attribute...
http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/popups.asp
Looks good Thierry.
One thing though-- what happens to mailto: links?
i know in an *old* switcher i had:
if(href.indexOf(mydomain.com) == -1){ // Href is not a file on my server
if(href.indexOf(javascript:) == -1){ // Href is not a
javascript call
if(!anchors[i].onclick){ // Href does not have
an onclick event
if(href.indexOf(mailto:;) == -1){ //
Href is not a mailto:
if(href.indexOf(http://;) != -1){ // Href is not relative (for
Safari)
anchors[i].setAttribute(target,_blank);
}
}
}
}
}
I found the the mail and safari links got all weird.
perhaps this is something to look into or test if you haven't already.
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Re: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing
Janelle Clemens wrote:
Can you explain what the slash in your example is (body {font:
x-small/130% Veranda, Arial, san-serif;}).Is this a browser hack?
130% in this case is the line height. it's short hand for:
body {
font-family: verdana, sans-serif;
font-size: x-small;
line-height: 130%;
}
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Re: [WSG] achieve 95% height with empty div?
kvnmcwebn wrote:
hello,
I
how can i get this div to scale to 95% of
the window height without filling
it with (invisible) content.
div.logo {
background: url(../LOGO.gif)
bottom right no-repeat;
height:95%; margin: auto 0 0 0;
}
This doesn't work, because it has no idea what 95% of nothing is.
you need to specify the parent element to be 100%. in this case,
body { height: 100%; }
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Re: [WSG] iframes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't speak to iframes because I use the CSS overflow style, which provides the same basic functionality, but requires using absolute positioning, For the record, the div + css overflow does NOT have to be absolute position. It can be block, or relative, or asbolute, or heck- i bet inline would work too (perhaps not semantically, but overflow/scorll bars should still come out) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] EASY MONEY MAKER/LEGIT AND LEGAL
Robert Moreno wrote: AS SEEN ON OPRAH! $40K IN YOUR PAYPAL ACCOUNT! As seen on WSG! BANNED! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fully compliant sample site
russ - maxdesign wrote: One of the best fully compliant sites I have seen is: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbsite/ hehe- classic :p Hi all, Sorry to ask a silly question, but is there a really good 'Fully Compliant' sample site I could see somewhere? try csszengarden.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] td != div
For instance, they'll put a ul inside a div id=menu, just so that they can style the ul, instead of just giving the ul itself an id. I never really noticed this, but I tend to code this way too. Here's a small sample i've been playing with: div id=wrapper div id=header h1 class=hideImage replaced title here/h1 /div div id=nav ul lia href=#Home/a/li lia href=#Products/a/li lia href=#Services/a/li lia href=#Contact Us/a/li /ul /div /div By what you're saying, I could simply have my outer wrapper for the margins/bg stuff, and then the h1 id'ed to replicate the whole header, and the ul id'ed to the nav list. This makes sense. div id=wrapper h1 id=headerImage replaced title here/h1 ul id=nav lia href=#Home/a/li lia href=#Products/a/li lia href=#Services/a/li lia href=#Contact Us/a/li /ul /div is much less cluttered, and can still perform the same structure for display. Good topic. I'm going to re-think the whole approach on this project. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] td != div
Bert Doorn wrote: I'd even drop id=header and just style the h1 element. Unless you use more than one h1 per page... Good point, Bert. Time to put this mark-up on a diet. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!
Christian Montoya wrote:
I don't think b/b is valid. Just do another span, with {
font-weight:bold; }
b tags are still valid in xhtml1.0 strict, but they don't posess any
semantic value, which is why moving to strong is the preferred mark-up.
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Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
Helmut Granda wrote:
Is it possible to turn a table grid into a full CSS grid?
I have been looking for tutorials or some one who covers the subject, but
most places talk about using tables...
Something like this
| a | b | c | d |
| e | f | g | h |
| I | j | k | l |
This is just an example, in reality ABCD can be the title of the columns and
E-L can be the content.
sounds like tabular data to me. This semantically SHOULD be in table tags.
if you want to, it can be done.
div.cell {
float: left;
width: 100px;
border: 1px solid #000;
}
div id=container
div class=cellA/div
div class=cellB/div
.
.
.
div class=cellL/div
/div
for your mark-up
in a container of more than 600px, you will have the div wrap to the
next line. border-width, padding and margins can screw this up pretty
easily, and works best in a fix-ed width layout.
i used something similar on this basic demo i made:
http://www.hondaswap.com/ajscaraudio/
but, note, the product cat's are NOT tabluar data, hence, why i floated
them.
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Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
Helmut Granda wrote: Thanks for your feedback guys. So those who insist in creating table-less layouts can not be done so all the time, there are times when you HAVE to use tables or it wont work. Would that statement be correct? No. It's avoiding tables for positioning of elements that should be avoided. Using a table for tabular data IS what the W3 suggests is proper. but this: table tr td pHi!/p /td /table style of markup is what we call tag soup and is, well, worthless for the evolution of the web. Is it even wroth it to fight to transform that kind of content into table-less? No. Not if you are after webstandards at least. Use css for positioning, decoration, and so forth. use a table for tabular data. you wouldn't type your resume up in Excel, would you? you probably wouldn't use Word to build a chart, either :D ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FF1.5 and font sizes
Peter Leing wrote: I'm unable to duplicate this. Me either. Google's fonts haven't changed for me, nor alistapart. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
Chris Dimmock wrote: *Google's home page doesn't validate and that's mostly by design to save precious bytes. So, he's saying font color=red loads faster than font color=red ? I'd like to see some documented proof of this. The homepage of google is only a couple lines of code... but yet they have inline javascript instead of external cached/linked scripting.. I think their /saving precious bytes/ comment is full of itself. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
Francesco wrote: Multiply those two by millions of hits every day and we're talking big bandwidth! Good point. I didn't even think about it like that. I wonder how many visits google gets in a day... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions
Stephen Stagg wrote: I WAS hoping that a couple of kind people might look at their server logs or stats and read off the resolution and % data for me. my stats are here: http://www.sitemeter.com/default.asp?action=statssite=s11hondaswapreport=73 based on roughly 500,000 page views a month site, mostly 18-25 yr olds. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions
Michael Wilson wrote: I was surprised to see (in the data Brian posted) so few users at a 1280 x 960 setting. We have a large percentage who use this (I suppose because it is a 3:4 resolution). Isn't 1280x960 mostly on laptops? i don't even have that option on my machine (basic intel built in graphics card) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: I am looking for some ideas on how to create a JavaScript/CSS fly-out menu, the dreaded day has come that a client finally insisted on using one! Has anyone got some ideas code samples etc.? Any help would be much appreciated. try the son of suckerfish. http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/example/ Mostly non-javascript (except in IE/browser that don't support the hover pseudo class) too. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] p tag
Todd Gleaton wrote: Hello All, I am using the p align='justify' to justify my text. I am getting a huge break between the picture above and where the text starts with the tag mentioned above. What is the best way to rid the white space? I've seen this problem a lot but have come to no conclusive way of getting rid of it. Float the image. p style=text-align: justify; This is some justified text. This is some justified text. This is some justified text. This is some justified text. This is some justified text. This is some justified text. This is some justified text. This is some justified text. img style=float: left; padding: .5em; src=pic.jpg alt=my image / /p ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Google and HTML5
I just stumbled upon this: http://code.google.com/webstats/index.html Based on commonly used classes and such, they are suggesting new html markup. For example, they mention that footer is used a lot, and are thus suggesting a footertag/footer. http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-footer Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE Weirdness
Tom Livingston wrote: p style=background-color:#f5f6f8;a href=# target=_blankGlobal Interprint/a/p There aren't any div#main or div.links ANYWHERE in the html you pasted. I'm assuming they are outer containers. Add the !important declaration to the inline style. That should over-ride the stylesheet: p style=background-color:#f5f6f8 !important;a href=# target=_blankGlobal Interprint/a/p we have a flash navigation bar at the top of the page I have no suggestions for this. I despise and avoid flash as much as possible :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Roberto Santana wrote: Hello, Which unit is better for web site font size? em px % ... Better is like beauty-- it's in the eye of the beholder. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingFontSize ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which unit is better for web site font size?
Minh D. Tran wrote: My personal preference has always been pt. I've looked at many professional source codes and alot of them uses px or % to measure size of items (divs, img, etc), em for positioning, and pt for font sizes. Minh pt is for PRINT media, not screen. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] google bans bmw
found this interesting-- http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060206/tc_pcworld/124621 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] TARGET in 4.01 Strict
Bert Doorn wrote: The main idea is that one should not open new windows at all, leaving it up to the user to decide, which is why the target attribute was removed. But if you want to (or have to), either go back to transitional or use javascript. You may find some discussions about it in the mail list archives, but the simplest implementation would go along these lines: a href=page.html onclick=return !window.open(this.href)link text/a Agreed. A good example of the JS method is outlined here: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/standards-compliant-world ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] asp and accessibility
Bob Schwartz wrote: Do database driven, dynamically created asp pages pass muster for accessibility? At the end of the day, no matter the server-side language used, the end result is HTML pages. I suppose if I could see the devices handicapped people use to surf, I would better understand what's going on (and be able to answer my own questions), but I don't know anyone who uses anything other than a browser or cell phone. there's a bunch of tools you can test with: http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_tools.hcsp *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] thoughts on the new phpbb layout
If you guys haven't seen already, phpbb re-did their boards in XHTML strict, table-less design. http://www.phpbb.com/community/ I'm curious mostly to your thoughts on how they did their main forum listing. definition lists inside of unordered lists. code trimed: ul class=topiclist forums li class=row dl class=icon style=background-image: url(./styles/prosilver/imageset/forum_unread.gif); dt a href=./viewforum.php?f=14 class=forumtitleAnnouncements/abr / span style=font-weight: boldRead me first before posting anywhere!/span /dt dd class=topics187 dfnTopics/dfn /dd dd class=posts279 dfnPosts/dfn /dd dd class=lastpost span dfnLast post/dfn by a href=./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileamp;u=11 style=color: #0099CC; class=username-coloureddhn/a a href=./viewtopic.php?f=14amp;p=2896061#p2896061img src=./styles/prosilver/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif width=12 height=9 alt=View latest post title=View latest post //a br /on Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:00 pm/span /dd /dl /li /ul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: Autoresponders on the list Was: Re: [WSG] equal height columns
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Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?
I've been using View Larger Image. Perhaps even view is the wrong term now that I think about it. But wouldn't those with sight disabilities pick up on the alt and title tags of the img and href and ignore clicking on it in the first place? something like this: a href=large.jpg title=larger detail image of img src=small.jpg alt= /br /View Larger Image/a Good discussion. :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size
There was a huge topic on digg about this (that i started :D ) after yahoo released their new interface. Lot's of interesting comments in that thread. http://digg.com/programming/Is_it_Time_to_Abandon_800x600_ link to blog post (as it has changed since the digg): http://www.skeymedia.com/programming/xhtml-and-css/is-it-time-to-abandon-800x600/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility and fly out menus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering how members here feel about the accessibility of Fly Out menus. The type I'm talking about are CSS based, ie no JavaScript but I'd be interested to hear what people think about those that utilise JavaScript. The suckerfish menus are pretty accessible, but like all items that require a hover action, those with out a mouse may suffer a little. http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but I don't agree...to a point. As a web designer and user myself, I prefer opening another window IF it is to a different website that I am referring them to. That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website and forget to come back to mine. Mine will always be open in the background to remind them (kind of like I'm the one they came to the dance with). That's why you have the option to shift + click to open in a new window :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] 1to1 markup suggestions
i have some data 1 | A 2 | B and so on in a 1-to-1 I'm considering using a DL as A defines the symbol 1 but at the same time it is tabular data. Thoughts? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] 1to1 markup suggestions
Koen Willems wrote: To my opinion it would depend on the fact if there is only a relation between the data or if one is defining the other. There is no hard correlation between them. the data would be similar to this: @ | at $ | dollar sign Going like that, its easy to see that column B defines column A symbol. But, along the same lines, it could be grouped with a thead like thSymbol/ththMeaning/th *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript Help
Alexander Uribe wrote: If anyone can help with the following questions, that would be greatly appreciated do your own homework. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to send two values to javascript
Michael Horowitz wrote:
select name=subcategory id = subcategory
onchange=showSubcategory2(document.getElementById('category').value,document.getElementById('subcategory').value)
try this:
select name=subcategory id=subcategory
onchange=showSubcategory2(document.getElementById(category).value,
this.options[this.selectedIndex].value);
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Re: [WSG] Form Submit
Alexander Uribe wrote: I've created a page on a site that has a form for customers to submit information. I want the information to be emailed to me but I don't want to use the mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] as it brings up outlook express. Does anyone know what I will need to make sure it automatically sends the information to my email address? Alex, you will need to do some server-side scripting, as in php. using the languages' mail() function will send from the form. http://us2.php.net/mail Off topic, this is a standards group, not necessarily a programming help list. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BBC in Beta
David Hucklesby wrote: I get a mostly black and white page in Opera, and a brightly colored page in Firefox. I'm seeing black and white in firefox. odd. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
Anders Nawroth wrote: // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path. I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they choose to interpret it. scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img src=//path/image.gif / method. I've yet to see a problem with it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict
I've often referenced this blog post http://www.graphicpush.com/index.php?id=49 I think your answer is there. Good luck! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Full flash websites
Michael Persson wrote: What do you people, professionals and hobby standardists think about full flash websites?? where is the usability and accessibility for flash in general?? Hate 'em. I usually look in the footer for 'html/lite version' link. If there isn't one, i'll probably end up leaving a lot sooner. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6
Christian Snodgrass wrote: Yet another thing that is Facebook specific that I just thought about. I may be overstating this, since I have no actual statistics to back it up, but I'd wager that a very large part of Facebook's population is from the more tech-savvy generations, so their usage statistics of IE6 may be far lower than your average website. Additionally, since a large portion of there population is (was?) college students who generally reside on-campus, they are likely to have more up-to-date systems because nearly all colleges require that you stay current with Windows updates to access their network (meaning use the internet, not necessarily access an intranet), so a lot of the users already have IE6 or greater. Yup, Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore. xp and vista only. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
