Re: [WSG] Marking up multiple form inputs

2008-06-10 Thread Darren West
Chris, Please can you provide more information about the form. I would be hesitant in agreeing with a solution that seems to omit the labels for the second form controls. Darren 2008/6/10 Chris Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > > > Would the following layout be best marked up using a table:

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Darren West
An alternative could be to develop with relative sizes for all measurements, allowing the interface to be scaled to any screen resolution. Examples can be seen at http://www.linkedin.com and http://www.sky.com *** List Guidelines: ht

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-07 Thread Darren West
Cool design, maybe you could reveal the sublnks onClick? then keep the panel open and repopulate with the relevant links as you move over the navigation links. If you have the time/money in the project, it would be well worth doing user testing :-) We maybe veering away from the purpose of this m

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-07 Thread Darren West
ty of clear > pointers to the content sections, the popout subnav becomes less necessary. > > > On Jun 6 2008, at 16:18, Darren West wrote: > > Joe said: > > Therefore if javascript is off, any descended subnav should display in it's > expanded state. > > I agr

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread Darren West
Joe said: > Therefore if javascript is off, any descended subnav should display in it's > expanded state. I agree with this pattern for some scenerios, for example with tabbed panels, but (depending on the design) surely with drop down navigation it would cause usability issues with the expanded

Re: [WSG] Suckerfish and IE 5 with no Javascript

2008-06-06 Thread Darren West
James, Have you heard of progressive enhancement? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Enhancement I would link all the 'nav' items to root pages that include the sub links so if JS is unavailable a usable experience is provided for all, then if JS is available, enhance the experience by d

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumbs showing organisational structure and usability

2008-06-06 Thread Darren West
Ihttp://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/pattern.php?pattern=breadcrumbs 2008/6/6 libwebdev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi folks, > > My organisation manages around 7000+ pages for 100s of departments, > using a CMS. Mine is the only department outside the CMS, just because > we can. > > We have been per

Re: [WSG] Help With Hover

2008-06-05 Thread Darren West
Are there ... how many? 2008/6/5 Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Darren West wrote: > > You maybe able to make it works with further experimentation ... > > > 2008/6/5 Olajide Olaolorun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > One more thing, it doesnt work on IE :( >

Re: [WSG] Help With Hover

2008-06-05 Thread Darren West
No but you do have access to style.css so pop it in there 2008/6/5 Olajide Olaolorun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Where did you see the sharethis.css? I think thats on the sharethis.com > website. I have no access to that. > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Darren West <[EM

Re: [WSG] Help With Hover

2008-06-05 Thread Darren West
{ ... with: div#mainContent a img { ... 2008/6/5 Olajide Olaolorun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What do you mean? > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Target the links specifically in the mainContent using: >> >> d

Re: [WSG] Help With Hover

2008-06-05 Thread Darren West
, everything is good. >>> Jut the movement is still there, thats ok. That one is not like the other >>> one so thats good ;-) >>> >>> One more question, if you look at the end of a post, you will see the >>> Share This link. Now mouse over it and see that

Re: [WSG] Help With Hover

2008-06-05 Thread Darren West
ost, you will see the Share > This link. Now mouse over it and see that the Share This moves into the > image? Why is that? > > THANKS > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Maybe this ... >> >> a { >&g

Re: [WSG] Help With Hover

2008-06-05 Thread Darren West
re question, if you look at the end of a post, you will see the >> Share This link. Now mouse over it and see that the Share This moves into >> the image? Why is that? >> >> THANKS >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >&

Re: [WSG] Help With Hover

2008-06-05 Thread Darren West
the parent paragraph 2008/6/5 Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Opps, no, it sucks up the next block element > > > 2008/6/5 Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Olajide, >> >> I've not tested on IE as just reinstalled and haven't had chance to &g

Re: [WSG] Help With Hover

2008-06-05 Thread Darren West
Opps, no, it sucks up the next block element 2008/6/5 Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Olajide, > > I've not tested on IE as just reinstalled and haven't had chance to > put parallels back but, what about this ... > > a { > background: black; > } >

Re: [WSG] Help With Hover

2008-06-05 Thread Darren West
Olajide, I've not tested on IE as just reinstalled and haven't had chance to put parallels back but, what about this ... a { background: black; } a:hover { padding: 5px; } a:hover img { margin: -0px -5px -10px -5px; } Hope it helps Darren 2008/6/5 Olajide Olaolorun <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-06-03 Thread Darren West
To be clear, my statement, which was quite sweeping, was meant to express that when a site is built for computers as opposed to humans then that to me flies in the face of Web Standards. So I agree :-) 2008/6/3 Rick Lecoat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 3 Jun 2008, at 12:55, Darren West wrot

Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-06-03 Thread Darren West
t;> >> Site title - Section Title - Page title >> >> And >> >> Page title, section title or Logo? >> >> Once you have it in the title tag, does it matter whether you have the >> logo in a H1 or not? Should you have something different between the &g

Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-06-03 Thread Darren West
My 2 pence ... Page title - Site title Page Title ... Search Navigation 2008/6/3 Rick Lecoat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 3 Jun 2008, at 07:04, Matijs wrote: > >> How about: >> >> The Times >> >> Homepage >> >> There's water on mars >> >> >> >> The Times >>

Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-28 Thread Darren West
ahhh hahaha thats brilliant!! Tom said: > How about a real 'attributes for dummies' reference?? are you writing a book? 2008/5/28 Tom Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Andrew Maben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On May 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Freedman

Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-28 Thread Darren West
Rick, what email client are you using? how do you get the 'on 28 may darren wrote ...' and the border-left on the quote? Cheers Darren 2008/5/28 Rick Lecoat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 28 May 2008, at 12:53, Darren West wrote: > >> There is the argument that you are

Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-28 Thread Darren West
Rick Lecoat wrote: >I agree that that's an argument. But the counter-argument, to my mind, is that >I'm *correcting* the behaviour of IE through markup and css >(well, ok, not css in this case) to bring it into line with standards >compliant browsers, which is what we, ad web designers/developer

Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-28 Thread Darren West
There is the argument that you are changing the behaviour of IE, however wrong it is, it could be what users expect. I believe Jaws ignores empty attributes so all good there ... 2008/5/28 Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Seems like a good idea, any implications? > > > 200

Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-28 Thread Darren West
Seems like a good idea, any implications? 2008/5/28 Rick Lecoat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 28 May 2008, at 11:31, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: > >> Me too. IE/win shows title-text on images when such exists, otherwise it >> shows the alt-text if such exists. > > For this reason I quite often use a null-v

Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-27 Thread Darren West
I'm not sure exactly what the spec says, go read it, but alt stands for alternative so the content would be represented alternatively when say the other content was unavailble. Where as title is meant to provide additional information related to the content such as a title. So 2008/5/27 Tom

Re: [WSG] Conact Form!

2008-05-15 Thread Darren West
No action attribute on the form? 2008/5/15 james <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi All; > >> >> On my contact page i have used this code, however it comes back as not >> being valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional, am i missing something silly here? >> >> Name > /> >> Company: > value="" /> >> Email Address: >

Re: [WSG] The Problem of adjacent links

2008-05-09 Thread Darren West
"The reason for putting the character there in the first place is explicitly to help screen-reader users distinguish between links." It is my understanding that the fact that they are seperate links is what distinguishes between links ... "Screen-reader users have said that the vertical bar is T

Re: [WSG] Page Structure

2007-06-27 Thread Darren West
You can use more than one Darren. On 27/06/07, Web Man Walking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello I am about to start a new website and was given some advice by a SEO expert who says the h1 on the page should be the most relevant thing to the page. For example for a Sports Packages company I de

Re: [WSG] A list of images with text under each image

2007-06-26 Thread Darren West
I would probably use something like this ... (with h replaced with the level heading required) View Buy View

Re: Accessible auto-submit dropdowns [WAS: Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata]

2007-06-09 Thread Darren West
Maybe then a tip could be added to explain that functionality something like: Internet Explorer users can use Alt+Down Arrow to open the SELECT element and then use the arrow keys to navigate within it without triggering the onChange event. One of our JAWS users does this as a matter of cours

Re: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

2007-05-10 Thread Darren West
Just the first time it appears on each page. On 10/05/07, Craig Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just how extensive should our use of the tag be? For example, if I have a page devoted to explaining what a Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is, should I tag MSA with the tag every single tim

Re: [WSG] Screen reader friendly show/hide dhtml

2007-03-06 Thread Darren West
Hi Rebecca, Screen readers handling of JavaScript events are a real pain as not only do different screen readers handle HTML and CSS differently but this is also true of their handling of JavaScript. Typically as no content should be inaccessible without JS if you must "hide" content from a sight

Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

2007-03-01 Thread Darren West
You will find these books very helpful http://www.amazon.co.uk/DOM-Scripting-Design-JavaScript-Document/dp/1590595335/ref=pd_ka_1/202-6135156-2275021?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1172759335&sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.co.uk/JavaScript-Anthology-Essential-Tricks-Hacks/dp/0975240269/ref=pd_ka_1/202-6135156-227

Re: [WSG] css generating i.e security pop up

2007-02-28 Thread Darren West
This behaviour is by design, for security reasons when the script is sourced locally (ie. if you load the website and script from your local machine) you will see this alert; I don't get the message and neither will other visitors. On 28/02/07, kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Im

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Darren West
I would advise your client against this behaviour as it will not only cause user confusion but also conflicts with the default behaviour of the form. Darren On 27/02/07, Nick Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input field

Re: [WSG] .net question

2006-03-16 Thread Darren West
I'm no .net developer however if he uses the WSYWIG to build the webform then yes this is true, however I'm sure that if he uses the editor he will be able to code the elements manually using from the story boards you have no doubt produced. Daz On 16/03/06, kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Darren West
Thats cool, thanks all, although I think I may have miss explained myself - will simplify with links :) Basically I am trying to setup pagination - here are the pages: http://ta.rt-ms.net/teamengine/property.html http://ta.rt-ms.net/teamengine/assets/js/media.js And is the markup: Photos Ima

[WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Darren West
Hello, Can anyone please recommend a standards compliant slideshow script that uses a list of images within the HTML markup to dynamically create the show. Thanks Daz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://websta

Re: [WSG] Styling Fieldset and Legend Elements

2006-03-07 Thread Darren West
I would advise against * html hacks though - http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_12.html#a000598Daz On 07/03/06, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote:> The following test case demonstrates how I want it to look and my> current solution that works in Firefox.  Both

Re: [WSG] DOM Scripting

2006-03-03 Thread Darren West
Now fixed - the error is a firefox 1.0 bug and the problem was a typo!DazOn 03/03/06, Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Thanks Richard and Jesse for your earlier help, thats all working now.  I hope you don't mind but I could do with your assistance again :-) I am now trying t

Re: [WSG] problem with border-bottom in mozilla/netscape

2006-03-03 Thread Darren West
Is caused by applying the line-height to the body (http://www.positioniseverything.net/gecko/mozshift.html) DazOn 03/03/06, Soeren Mordhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Mozilla and Netscape do not display "border-bottom: 1px solid #bbb;" inthe navigation-list in the 'li': Forums (first right box).

Re: [WSG] DOM Scripting

2006-03-03 Thread Darren West
Thanks Richard and Jesse for your earlier help, thats all working now.  I hope you don't mind but I could do with your assistance again :-) I am now trying to clear the default value of a field (which works fine) and then restore the default value if there is no user input. The problem is I get th

[WSG] DOM Scripting

2006-03-02 Thread Darren West
Hello All, I am slowly learning the DOM and Javascript, and have started applying scripts for validation, the validation part works fine (I think) however the problem is I am trying to highlight fields which do not validate and they only highlight for a second (I think while the field is checked a

Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Darren West
Opps, and associated the label with and id. For instance: Please choose Daz On 01/03/06, Darren West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Kim, > > You need to associate a label * with your select element. For instance: > > > > > * Please choose > > &

Re: [WSG] Validation problem

2006-03-01 Thread Darren West
Hi Kim, You need to associate a label * with your select element. For instance: * Please choose Vælg her Sort/Grøn Hvid/Blå Sæt accesskeys Substituting 'Please choose' with something indicative of the select elements choices. Daz On

Re: [WSG] Online Store Categories

2006-02-28 Thread Darren West
I would say thats a perfect use for a definition list. Daz On 28/02/06, Josh Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, I'm creating an online store for a client and they want a browseable > list of the store categories, plus a small description of the category > underneath each one. > > I was plannin

Re: [WSG] Linking to top of page

2006-02-27 Thread Darren West
Back to Top On 27/02/06, Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Novitski wrote: > > At 05:35 AM 2/27/2006, Curby wrote: > >> What is the recommended way for linking back to the top of the page? I > >> can't link to the id of my H1 because of my CSS. > > > > Whoa. Stop right there. How ca

Re: [WSG] Min-Width, IE, Fluid Content and Hair Loss

2006-02-24 Thread Darren West
If you werent worried about users without JavaScript enabled you could use this http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/, alternatively have a fixed size for IE. Daz On 24/02/06, Joseph R. B. Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings all, > > I'm working on getting a site launched - http://mcdowell.site

Re: [WSG] Should logo not link to the homepage?

2006-02-24 Thread Darren West
It definatly should, relax and think of home ;-) On 23/02/06, John S. Britsios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear co-members, > > I would like to ask your opinion here, if a web site logo should or not > link to the homepage. > By the way, see for example what Jesper Tverskov wrote about this: > ht

[WSG] Img element relationship to content

2006-02-23 Thread Darren West
Hello all, If I have an image which has a relationship to other content within a containing element how should this be marked up. For instance: 1. Person A Big feet Small hands 2. Person A Big feet Small hands 3. Person A Big feet Small hands 4. Person A

Re: [WSG] [admin] list mail turnaround

2006-02-21 Thread Darren West
I too rarely get the start of most threads (although I got this one) Daz On 21/02/06, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For quite some time I've had a problem with missed and late posts on > this list. I've talked to my ISP, as I'm sure the SPAM volume they have > to deal with contributes

Re: [WSG] Font size menu

2006-02-15 Thread Darren West
tml or xhtml? If html, wrap the a in a   a Personally, I don't like those tags but I know others do. You can then use CSS to define the look of those letters ted   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Darren West Sent: Wednesday, February 15,

Re: [WSG] Font size menu

2006-02-15 Thread Darren West
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Darren West Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:58 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Font size menu   Evening group Has anyone got any suggestions as to how I would mark up a font size menu, for example: Font size:   A

[WSG] Font size menu

2006-02-15 Thread Darren West
Evening groupHas anyone got any suggestions as to how I would mark up a font size menu, for example:Font size:  A  A  A With font sizes defined ever larger on the list items as a visual indication and the ordered list from an accessible unstyled point of view.Daz

Re: [WSG] list's with header text

2006-02-01 Thread Darren West
Exactly for that point; IMHO decribing the content rather than the presentation makes your markup easier to read, style and manage by whomever - users, coders, accessibility tools, browsers, search engines, and yourself,  this is why web standards are so important. Some interesting reading on sugge

Re: [WSG] list's with header text

2006-02-01 Thread Darren West
I would use:       Buncrana Town                     Community               Where 'bananas' is replaced with a semantically suitable name such as main for main navigation or supp for supplemental etc... I would use h3 as long as it fits in with the rest of your mar

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Darren West
How about the list of class 'properties', should that be an un-ordered list?DazOn 30/01/06, Stephen Stagg < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Should an agent's address really be a definition list?? If you want that sort of semantic pedantry, the markup should be:Acme Estate AgentsAddress

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Darren West
Thanks Martin,I have sorted all issues highlighted apart from the DL for the address as only one item will ever appear - would DL still be appropriate? and microformats leave with me.Daz On 30/01/06, Martin Heiden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Darren,on Monday, January 30, 2006 at 12:26 wsg@webstandar

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Darren West
) Check the CSS Validation. You left a few items on your localhost. Zach // zachinglis.com At 30/1/06 11:26: "Darren West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello all, Please can you review and give comment on the following: http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/properties.html http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/propertydetails.html Thanks in advance Darren

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Darren West
ibility by doing something like:   Price £450,000   Anyway, my suggestions are neither here nore there and probably more about my our personal preferences more than anything else.   Cheers   Nathan - Original Message ----- From: Darren West To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent:

[WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Darren West
Hello all,Please can you review and give comment on the following:http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/properties.html http://ta.rt-ms.net/2/propertydetails.htmlThanks in advanceDarren