RE: [WSG] Question on servers and Email campaign
Sherri hey.. I agree with Thiru on that - you should NEVER give out your root access to anybody... Its far 2 risky... There are 2 alternatives. Either a) set up a normal user account with SSH access (this would give them access to their area of the server only) OR b) Research the software and install it yourself (and charge the client appropriately for your time) I hope they help David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thiru Yoganathan Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 11:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Question on servers and Email campaign Hi Sherri I think you have done the right thing, giving away root access means you possibly could become quite vulnerable.I think. But I am pretty sure this person you are speaking with is talking rubbish when she says others have given access. Mind you, to at least keep a positive relationship. I am pretty sure you can write some software basically allowing some form of restricted access to a particular user name and login. This means you can give them access to the areas which they need but keep them out of areas which are confidential. I hope this helps Cheers TY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graphics Web Designing, LLC Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:42 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Question on servers and Email campaign I am sorry to ask this question but I am very curious as to how others feel about this. I have a client that is purchasing E-mail listings from a company called expedia mail and I Was called and asked for my server's root access information so that they can download their Software onto my server for my clients email campaign. I refuse to give anyone access to MY server let alone my root access. Am I being rude and uncooperative on this or am I right? According to the lady I spoke with she claims that I am uncooperative and that they have many Companies give out there root access information to their servers. I just can NOT put my other clients at risk and give some other company access to my server Where they have full access to my server and all of my clients and my servers information and in Addition they can do as they please once I give them my root access information. Again, I would like to thank all for reading this post and I do hope this is not against WSG standards. But I am really needing confirmation that I am not losing it and that I was right in protecting My clients as well as my server. Sherri Graphic's Web Designing, LLC (941)876-4609 (941)889-8336 Cell Have a great day. http://www.webgraphicdesigning.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] li hover bg preloader
You can do rollovers in javascript - its usually to do with image swapping etc but it is possible... David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Ortenzi Sent: Monday, 10 November 2008 10:27 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] li hover bg preloader pedant humbled. I just remember rollovers being javascript-controlled but thanks for correcting me. I'm impressed you out-pedanted me! On 10/11/2008, at 8:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless it is a new extension that I have never heard of, there is no such thing as 'rollover' in JavaScript. /correct-pedant Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Ortenzi Sent: 08 November 2008 03:53 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] li hover bg preloader you mean on hover (i.e.: a:hover) not on rollover (that's javaScript), don't you? Pedantic Joe *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 (0)434 047 804 http://www.typingthevoid.com http://twitter.com/wheelyweb http://www.linkedin.com/in/jortenzi Skype:wheelyweb http://au.movember.com/mospace/1714401 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?
Brett While I agree they can be annoying, they are quite a useful thing for normal circumstances. They are generally set up by the person who owns the email address (sometimes by their network admin etc). Basically say if you were going away for 2 weeks, but didn't want people thinking you were ignoring them (handy for work etc) you would set up the auto responder with that message. That's about it.. Hope that helps. David Fuller Developer magickweb Web: http://www.magick.com.au/ http://www.magick.com.auTel http://www.magick.com.au Email:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Patterson Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 7:06 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? Are these away on leave notices from people who manage the webstandardsgroup.org site? Or individual people? It is kinda getting annoying? -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***image001.jpg
RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have access to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash 8. Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't code in flash, so no real need to upgrade it any further at this stage...) A good point raised :) David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, KerryA Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 8:09 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future? Johan Douma wrote: Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe. But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of computers, that's a different matter. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Is it a good practice to have 'Back to Top' link?
Hey every1... Just a silly idea, but what about using a background image, with a transparent gif over it, the gif is the return to top link... Being part of the background it wont print, you can make it PART of the background without it looking like a special link etc.. Just a random thought that I pondered.. Hope it helps.. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Radford Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2008 8:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Is it a good practice to have 'Back to Top' link? Hi Joe, Therefore, the use of 'Return to top' link will be required unless I can prove to my client that users don't click them via studies, research or user feedback, not just only from my personal experience. I think you answered your own question there... Can you do some studies or research (such as implementing crazy egg or similar, observing the users etc.) into how people use the current site and the back to top links on it? You may find that they are used a lot, and that site visitors find them very useful, regardless of what our own opinions and feelings are. You may also find that they are not used at all, in which case there is no need to include them in a redesign. Likewise, continue testing on the new redesigned site to see whether the back to top links are required on your new design, or what the best implementation (sticky sidebar, fixed position, etc.) of the back to top links is. :) Rach -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Chiang Sent: 30 September 2008 09:19 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Is it a good practice to have 'Back to Top' link? Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts and commenting. After reading through the responses to my original post, I'm trying to frame a conclusion here. But first, a little website background: - target audience don't have much computer background - majority of target audience use IE 6/7 - since it's an academic site, I think many users would like to print out the page to read - the page includes references Personally, I prefer not to have 'Return to top' links as I don't click on them and also feel it is annoying. But, my target audience may expect or use those links as the 'Return to top' links have been present on the site for the last 10 years and I think my client will also prefer to have them. Therefore, the use of 'Return to top' link will be required unless I can prove to my client that users don't click them via studies, research or user feedback, not just only from my personal experience. I think the solution I found to be best suited for me is to make a 'Return to top' link appearing on the page as neatly as possible and use CSS for printer-friendly version (not include those links). Perhaps, implement something like 'sticky sidebar' or 'position fixed' to present the 'Return to top' link rather than adding it after each section is another option I look favourably at. Obviously, I need to work out on IE6 for this. http://www.derekallard.com/blog/post/conditionally-sticky-sidebar http://www.nowcss.com/javascript/emulating-position-fixed-in-ie-6-below Any thoughts? Thanks, Joe On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest that we fix an Up link at the bottom and a series of section tabs and Skip to ... at the top of the window - 'position: fixed' that is. Should work on all but the smallest windows and in all the latest browsers, and are easy to reposition or turn off for print. IE6 will have to pull a little extra, but should otherwise cooperate well. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1698 - Release Date: 9/29/2008 7:25 PM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help:
RE: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list
I spend my development time actually working on client sites... How I spend my time is none of your concern - If your going to start getting all antsy and narcissistic then its showing your not professional... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis, Matthew Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:55 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list What would be more a productive use of your time David is validating your pages. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes And there is plenty of We are still moving into our new site... please bear with us... stuff that still needs to be written. Just a suggestion. On 5/08/2008, at 12:34 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Well hey everybody... It would appear Andrew has decided to take his comments out of the public view and turn them personal... Please read.. On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:31 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: group does NOT have to be SPECIFICALLY about web standards Perhaps not, but totally irrelevant attacks on any platform are a waste of everyone's time and energy. Frankly I don't believe anyone on this list learned anything useful from the fact that you don't like macs. So as one professional to another, please keep your comments constructive at least. If you have a reasoned argument as to why the macintosh platform is inimical to web standards, I for one would be interested to hear what you have to say. Otherwise your remark is as useful and informative to this list as your tastes in ice-cream would be. List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Andrew http://www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. Andrew if you are so afraid of negative comments, don't post at all. My comments were not aimed @ macs or any other platform - get your facts right before you start sprouting your mouth off... I used that development platform as an EXAMPLE of similar discussions had in the past where people got uppity... I was not referring to now.. To paraphrase yourself Andrew If you have something of value, then don't bring it to the forum Why can people not realize that they are not the end all and be all, and my main point was this. Those with less skills than professionals like myself (and Andrew I don't know I haven't seen his work) will ask questions to learn and to grow as developers... If we as a community want a unified web standard and it to be widely used and accepted, we need to encourage, help and support those who are still learning... Why is that so hard for you to fathom Andrew? David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list I suspect there is more than a grain of truth in both David and Adams views. If places like this are to reach the widest possible audience they must be accessible to all (with reason); ditto to be a usable standards debating forum we should be debating the finer points not spending ALL our time on what the experts among us may consider to be trivial. Two suggestions; [1]That we all take a moment to consider those who may know a little less than we on a specific subject and attempt to use plain English when replying; thus to help others along the way. [2]When responding to eager questioners such as Michael suggest that they take the conversation off the forum; but please bring it back when a conclusion has been reached as I suspect I lot of equally eager thread watchers may be keen to know the answer too. I will now return to lurking Regards Ian Chamberlain ex-Head of Web Strategy BT Global Services; now Freelancing and having a ball. www.chamberlainsofharrogate.co.uk - Original Message - From: David Fuller - magickweb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list Adam... I am sorry but I have to disagree whole heartedly... What is the standards group, if not a place where all people can who choose to, can come and gain guidance and learning to become STANDARDS COMPLIANT??? It would appear that this is exactly what the group
RE: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list
Actually Andrew I am not here to annoy people what I have said has merit. You are so quick to pass judgment simply because you do not agree with somebody's point of view. Its actually rather pathetic behaviour. If you cannot accept peoples point of view that differs from yours, then you clearly should not be part of any forum system because your going to get that everywhere you go. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Maben Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:49 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Joseph Ortenzi wrote: Would I be considered rude if I asked you to continue this particular thread off board? Thanks, Joe. As you saw, I took it off the list once but David had to bring it right back. It looks to me as if he just wants to annoy people, so I've contacted Russ about it. Andrew http://www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list
Adam... I am sorry but I have to disagree whole heartedly... What is the standards group, if not a place where all people can who choose to, can come and gain guidance and learning to become STANDARDS COMPLIANT??? It would appear that this is exactly what the group is for... I've mentioned this in another thread, where people get all uppity about not exactly web standards content (I think in that example it was discussing Development Platforms...) Regardless we are all professionals, and we are here to help, to learn and to keep up to date, so if somebody with slightly less experience than you asks for assistance, what's the harm in giving that assistance? It doesn't cost you anything and you do end up with a grateful developer/designer - and that's positive networking - again a very big plus for any business. /endOfRant Enjoy all :) David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Martin Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list Sorry to come across blunt - but I don't think the web standards group is meant to be a teacher of css. Great that people on here are wanting to learn. But there are plenty of other places dedicated to these sort of things. - Original Message - From: Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list In playing I've found using the relative positioning working pretty good for me. Is it just a matter of personal preference what I use then? Thanks for the article I really haven't understood negative margins. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 David Hucklesby wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:32:16 -0400, Michael Horowitz wrote: The live page is horowitzfamily.net. I'm just learning positioning and this seemed to work. The issue as mentioned earlier was transparency in my image. however I am just learning to do css without tables and really don't know what I should be doing for positioning. Quite honestly in hacking around this worked. I'll be happy to get feedback on better techniques for the future CSS gives you a lot of options for positioning elements on a page. As with all design issues, the best choice is usually a compromise, depending on what you want to achieve. My first choice for positioning elements is often to use margins - including negative margins on occasion. See this CommunityMX article for more: http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=b0029 Hope this helps. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1589 - Release Date: 8/3/2008 1:00 PM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list
Well hey everybody... It would appear Andrew has decided to take his comments out of the public view and turn them personal... Please read.. On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:31 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: group does NOT have to be SPECIFICALLY about web standards Perhaps not, but totally irrelevant attacks on any platform are a waste of everyone's time and energy. Frankly I don't believe anyone on this list learned anything useful from the fact that you don't like macs. So as one professional to another, please keep your comments constructive at least. If you have a reasoned argument as to why the macintosh platform is inimical to web standards, I for one would be interested to hear what you have to say. Otherwise your remark is as useful and informative to this list as your tastes in ice-cream would be. List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Andrew http://www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. Andrew if you are so afraid of negative comments, don't post at all. My comments were not aimed @ macs or any other platform - get your facts right before you start sprouting your mouth off... I used that development platform as an EXAMPLE of similar discussions had in the past where people got uppity... I was not referring to now.. To paraphrase yourself Andrew If you have something of value, then don't bring it to the forum Why can people not realize that they are not the end all and be all, and my main point was this. Those with less skills than professionals like myself (and Andrew I don't know I haven't seen his work) will ask questions to learn and to grow as developers... If we as a community want a unified web standard and it to be widely used and accepted, we need to encourage, help and support those who are still learning... Why is that so hard for you to fathom Andrew? David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list I suspect there is more than a grain of truth in both David and Adams views. If places like this are to reach the widest possible audience they must be accessible to all (with reason); ditto to be a usable standards debating forum we should be debating the finer points not spending ALL our time on what the experts among us may consider to be trivial. Two suggestions; [1]That we all take a moment to consider those who may know a little less than we on a specific subject and attempt to use plain English when replying; thus to help others along the way. [2]When responding to eager questioners such as Michael suggest that they take the conversation off the forum; but please bring it back when a conclusion has been reached as I suspect I lot of equally eager thread watchers may be keen to know the answer too. I will now return to lurking Regards Ian Chamberlain ex-Head of Web Strategy BT Global Services; now Freelancing and having a ball. www.chamberlainsofharrogate.co.uk - Original Message - From: David Fuller - magickweb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list Adam... I am sorry but I have to disagree whole heartedly... What is the standards group, if not a place where all people can who choose to, can come and gain guidance and learning to become STANDARDS COMPLIANT??? It would appear that this is exactly what the group is for... I've mentioned this in another thread, where people get all uppity about not exactly web standards content (I think in that example it was discussing Development Platforms...) Regardless we are all professionals, and we are here to help, to learn and to keep up to date, so if somebody with slightly less experience than you asks for assistance, what's the harm in giving that assistance? It doesn't cost you anything and you do end up with a grateful developer/designer - and that's positive networking - again a very big plus for any business. /endOfRant Enjoy all :) David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Martin Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list Sorry to come across blunt - but I don't think the web standards group is meant
RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not
Come on everyone don't give Michael too hard a time, we ALL typo from time
to time and wonder why it won't work...
Its just part n parcel of the coding world...
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not
Michael Horowitz wrote:
Interesting this works
select style= font-size: 8px name=cruiseline
but this does not
select class=small name=month
.small {
font-size:8x;
}
Interesting how? Typos usually /don't/ work, in my experience :-)
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RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not
I agree with you there however I have been known (usually when im half dead from coding too long) to look @ a misplaced space or + or whatever, and wonder why it wont work ... Anyway meh its all good. Speaking of intelligent editors... What do you all prefer?? Myself I am a Dreamweaver fan... :) David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:27 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Come on everyone don't give Michael too hard a time, we ALL typo from time to time and wonder why it won't work... Its just part n parcel of the coding world... True enough, but when something doesn't work running it through a validator (or even an intelligent editor) will frequently identify the issue(s). Validate early, validate often :-) -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not
Ive played with jEdit, while it was nice I wasn't a huge fan - I know I know I know paying for an IDE is bad when you have so many free and open source solutions, but I do love my Dreamweaver. Have used it since version 2... David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Speaking of intelligent editors... What do you all prefer?? This is probably veering OT, but I use jEdit -- feature-rich, easily extensible, runs on anything with a JVM. And free/open source :-) -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-621-3445 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not
Ive had to work on macs in the past - I wouldn't wish them on my enemy - sorry Michael :P David Fuller Developer magickweb Web: http://www.magick.com.au http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Turnwall Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:46 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not If you are on a mac, Textmate is the best choice. -- Michael Turnwall for all your web code needs turnwall.net David Fuller - magickweb wrote: I agree with you there however I have been known (usually when im half dead from coding too long) to look @ a misplaced space or + or whatever, and wonder why it wont work ... Anyway meh its all good. Speaking of intelligent editors... What do you all prefer?? Myself I am a Dreamweaver fan... :) David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:27 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Come on everyone don't give Michael too hard a time, we ALL typo from time to time and wonder why it won't work... Its just part n parcel of the coding world... True enough, but when something doesn't work running it through a validator (or even an intelligent editor) will frequently identify the issue(s). Validate early, validate often :-) -- Michael Turnwall for all your web code needs turnwall.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***image001.jpg
RE: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not
Andrew.. Seriously. We are talking about our preferences for IDE's the group does NOT have to be SPECIFICALLY about web standards - while its something we deal with a lot, its not the end all and be all. Sheesh lighten up a little.. *shakes his head* David Fuller Developer magickweb Web: http://www.magick.com.au http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Maben Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:11 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:03 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Ive had to work on macs in the past - I wouldn't wish them on my enemy - sorry Michael :P And the relevance of this comment to the subject at hand, or web standards in general, is what exactly? Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***image001.jpg
RE: [WSG] ie six download?
http://oldversion.com/program.php?n=msie --- you can download any version you like from there... Hope it helps. David Fuller Head Developer Magick Web Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] ie six download? I bought got an old laptop for testing sites-it has ie 5.5 on it now, Anybody know where i can download an upgrade to ie6 for windows 2000 proffessional? best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1556 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 4:56 PM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] ie six download?
I already said that Sajan. lol David Fuller Head Developer Magick Web Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sajan Franco Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:38 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] ie six download? Old apps has all the old versions http://www.oldapps.com/internet_explorer.htm Sajan Franco 2008/7/17 David Fuller - magickweb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://oldversion.com/program.php?n=msie --- you can download any version you like from there... Hope it helps. David Fuller Head Developer Magick Web Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] ie six download? I bought got an old laptop for testing sites-it has ie 5.5 on it now, Anybody know where i can download an upgrade to ie6 for windows 2000 proffessional? best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1556 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 4:56 PM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***image001.jpg
RE: [WSG] Pop-Ups (BOM)
Popup messages can be VERY useful. These days with floating divs etc they are not always necessary, however I do agree that they have a definite place. Personally I use them in my web applications. If you look at dreamweaver's form validation scripts, they also use that style of popup. I personally think that when used properly they are great, otherwise just an annoyance and can potentially crash a browser. David Fuller Developer magickWEB Web: http://www.magick.com.au http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:21 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Pop-Ups (BOM) What's your views on Pop-Ups? When I speak in terms of Pop-Ups I am referring to the alert type Pop-Ups that are a part of the Browser Object Model and NOT window Pop-Ups. The ones that are considered annoying! I personally do not think they are annoying when used in the right way. Google Mail uses them correctly. When you are writing an email and you decide to close the tab or move to another webpage it will alert you and ask you if you want to abandon the email you have spent 15 minutes writing and forgot to save as a draft. In the same way MS Word would ask you if you want to save an unsaved project. A good thing in my books. They are probably only best used in Ajax applications in certain situations when a users attention is needed. We have no problems using them in desktop applications so why not use them in web applications (I am talking about applications not web pages). I am only writing this because I see developers label Pop-Ups as annoying. Ganted, when used in the wrong way they are annoying, but you abuse anything (including tables) and it becomes annoying/wrong. To summarize, what's your views on Pop-Ups *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***image001.jpg
