RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
I haven't used W2K since 2002 but doesn't W2K support other browsers ie Chrome, FF etc? -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chad Kelly Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:15 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet - Original Message - From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed works much better. And then throw in the fact that IE 6 was first release around 2001 and ask them if they even care if they can see a site in a best viewed fashion. I am thinking they are not. ;-) j/k. All's good. I know of some work places still useing Windows 2000. Or rather, I have read that they have rolled back to it, after some applications and the like wouldn't run on XP, which means that IE6 is about the only thing they can run on Windows2000, unless they use Firefox, or some other browser. As I don't think IE7 and 8 run on Win2K. I also know that a lot of workplaces are swiching to Vista though, so with all these different versions of Windows floating around the place, and with MS still not dropping official support for IE6 untill 2014 it is rather anoying. All that said, I don't test in IE6 anymore and have not done so for a year or so. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
I like the let it fail gracefully method. And, using something like !--[if IE 6]link rel=stylesheet href=/styles /ie6_detection_message.css media=screen type=text/css /![endif]--, display a message for IE 6 only, You are using IE 6. Please upgrade your browser to view this site correctly. Kevin -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 6:20 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this be done? Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed works much better. And then throw in the fact that IE 6 was first release around 2001 and ask them if they even care if they can see a site in a best viewed fashion. I am thinking they are not. ;-) j/k. All's good. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Felix Miata Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:26 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet On 2010/12/20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Erickson, Kevin (DOE) composed: I like the let it fail gracefully method. And, using something like !--[if IE 6]link rel=stylesheet href=/styles /ie6_detection_message.css media=screen type=text/css /![endif]--, display a message for IE 6 only, You are using IE 6. Please upgrade your browser to view this site correctly. Correctly? Do all compliant browsers do correctly? Better not best viewed or as intended or *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Document Formats
Great comments and advice to all who helped me with this. I can't thank you enough! I know HTML is the best way to go. I am in a unique situation. It's slow to change but I am working on it. :) Kevin -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chris Beer Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 7:15 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Subject: Re: [WSG] Document Formats Hi Kevin You're also touching on accessibility issues there, as well as gov business processes, legal requirements etc etc. One thing I thought worth raising and worth considering though is copyright - do you even have permission to alter the format of the document as submitted to you? US is different to us, I know, but something to keep in mind... We deal with multiple formats in my workplace constantly. Best approach we find, when you can, is HTML first, PDF for print as needed. We try to steer clear of using any file format that isn't an open standard (eg we don't use.xls when we can use .csv) etc as it can imply inferred support or approval for a vendor. Cheers Chris On 12/1/2010 6:52 AM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: Hi All, The website I work with receives a lot of documents to be posted that come in the form of Word, PowerPoint and Excel documents. And now, with the release of the latest versions of Ms Office, they are coming to me with an X on their extensions. I have information in the footer of all the web pages for access to free viewers for all documents including these latest extensions. This may be an adequate CYA but I am not convinced it is the best practice. I know this must be confusing for some of our visitors. I would like to ask any of you if you have had to deal with multiple document formats and how you handled this for the best user accessibility. I am thinking the best practice is to have, first, a browser/HTML version, second, a PDF version, and after that whatever version the document was created as, i.e. Ms Word, PowerPoint, etc. Example: ul li Titlea href=info.html titleTitle Web Page (Web Page)/a a href=info.pdf titleTitle in PDF Format (PDF)/a a href=info.docx titleTitle in MS Word Format (Word)/a /li /ul Thank you very much for sharing your experiences on this, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Document Formats
Hi All, The website I work with receives a lot of documents to be posted that come in the form of Word, PowerPoint and Excel documents. And now, with the release of the latest versions of Ms Office, they are coming to me with an X on their extensions. I have information in the footer of all the web pages for access to free viewers for all documents including these latest extensions. This may be an adequate CYA but I am not convinced it is the best practice. I know this must be confusing for some of our visitors. I would like to ask any of you if you have had to deal with multiple document formats and how you handled this for the best user accessibility. I am thinking the best practice is to have, first, a browser/HTML version, second, a PDF version, and after that whatever version the document was created as, i.e. Ms Word, PowerPoint, etc. Example: ul li Title a href=info.html titleTitle Web Page (Web Page)/a a href=info.pdf titleTitle in PDF Format (PDF)/a a href=info.docx titleTitle in MS Word Format (Word)/a /li /ul Thank you very much for sharing your experiences on this, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Advanced Javascript course (Sydney)?
Try Lynda.com. It is sure to get you up and running quickly! Kevin -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Jens-Uwe Korff Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 12:36 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Advanced Javascript course (Sydney)? Hi all, I am trying to find someone who can hold a one-day advanced Javascript course but have no luck. Many courses start with the very basics or take three days to get to the advanced level. We are looking for a syllabus that addresses things like . progressive enhancement principles . JS testing and debugging using Firebug . how to write high-performance code . listening for events . traversing the DOM . accessibility . error handling . jQuery UI . effects (fade etc.) . writing JS so it can be compressed efficiently . writing functions which can be reused . closures and encapsulated code Any pointers are very welcome. If you offer such a course please email me off list. Thanks. Cheers, Jens The information contained in this e-mail message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail or any attached files is unauthorised. This e-mail is subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or communicated without the written consent of the copyright owner. If you have received this e-mail in error please advise the sender immediately by return e-mail or telephone and delete all copies. Fairfax does not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. Internet communications are not secure, therefore Fairfax does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] HTML5 Periodic Table of Elements
This is too clever, (and maybe even helpful), not to share. http://joshduck.com/periodic-table.html ...hope it is helpful to someone. Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] HTML5 with Chrome
Hi, I found an edgy Chrome Only, HTML5 development here, http://www.chromeexperiments.com/, called The Wilderness Down and am wondering if this wasteful, at this point in time, to develop an HTML5 site like http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/? If it is, how long is your ETA of when it will be the normal? Regards, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] HTML5 with Chrome
Yes, let me clarify that. I am asking, if this is too far in to HTML5, is the time spent developing this site going to be, in large part, a waste of time in your opinion? It seems that is might be out-dated by the time the rest of the browsers catch up. Also, it came up fine for me running XP with the latest Chrome browser. Kevin From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Dan Freeman Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:20 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] HTML5 with Chrome Has anyone got this to work? I tried several times yesterday and it just stuck at 44%. Also, what do you mean by wasteful? Dan Freeman Webmaster ERP Administrator 800.650.6506 (TOLL FREE) 330.655.0341 (DIRECT) www.lexi.com http://www.lexi.com/ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:47 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] HTML5 with Chrome Hi, I found an edgy Chrome Only, HTML5 development here, http://www.chromeexperiments.com/, called The Wilderness Down and am wondering if this wasteful, at this point in time, to develop an HTML5 site like http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/? If it is, how long is your ETA of when it will be the normal? Regards, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients only. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended receiver is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this electronic e-mail or by calling 330-650-6506. Please delete it from your computer. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Video Accessibility Help
Hi all, Has anyone heard of Sorenson Communications? They handle free communications for deaf, etc. - http://www.sorensonvrs.com/svrs. From what I can tell, it looks like a good way to try out. Did I mention it's free??? Kevin -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Spellacy, Michael Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:05 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Video Accessibility Help Every little bit helps, John. These look like good places to start. Thank you. If anybody else has anything to share please keep it coming. I stumbled upon a site called subply.com which will create caption files (in various flavors) based on the audio track in video. It seems like a pretty decent service. Sent from my iPod On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:13 PM, John Unsworth john.unswo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michael, Your first port of call might be the WCAG2 guidelines, found here; http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/#media-equiv I also did a quick search for accessible online video best practice and this link to a PDF from the US Department of Health and Human Services exactly on the topic of Online Viral Video Requirements and Best Practices might be useful to you. It is dated Jan 2010 and covers the departments use of YouTube (and other video providers) and importantly Section 508 compliance. A good deal of the document regards brand guidelines as much as technical requirements, but in that regards questions about dimension and file size and type might be useful knowledge. This was the PDF link; www.cdc.gov/socialmedia/Tools/guidelines/pdf/onlinevideo.pdf Accessibility advocate Joe Clark I recall became very interested in the question and quality of captioned video. From my search above this resource of links from the Victorian Government in Australia might also be useful; http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/website-practice/online-video-content.html I'm not that knowledgeable about Flash, but to your questions I recall seeing a presentation from Adobe regards CS4 and that their Audio program, whose name escapes me, could extract Caption text and that in turn that file could be brought into Flash. However I thought it was an XML file. I also understood that using ActionScript you could program the import of the XML file, but the last time I used Flash was at school and it was Flash8 and given the presentation I mentioned it might be a tool built in?? Of course how this would be handled in HTML5 I'm less clear on:) Didn't really answer your questions directly, but I hope some of this is useful. Cheers, John Unsworth *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] @media ordering in stylesheet
No, the last one overrides the ones before it.
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Jody Tate
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 1:21 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] @media ordering in stylesheet
Hi all,
Does @media rule ordering in a stylesheet matter? For example, given the
following order:
@media print {
body {
#FF;
}
}
@media all {
body {
#99;
}
}
Will @media print override the @media all in this ordering?
Googling around, I've not found a clear answer to the question. So, any
help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
jody
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RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Thanks Jayachandran!
That definitely works but is there a way that it could keep the CSS off
when the visitor leaves the page? Using a cookie maybe?
Here is the page using your example:
http://www.doetest.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/test-css-off-fro
m-wsg2.shtml
Thank you,
Kevin
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Jayachandran Kandasamy
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:25 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Hi Kevin,
I have tried some sample code for switching off the CSS in jQuery.
Please go through this code below and let me know how far it is helping
you - if need anyother assistance please reply
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
HTML
HEAD
TITLE New Document /TITLE
META NAME=Generator CONTENT=EditPlus
META NAME=Author CONTENT=
META NAME=Keywords CONTENT=
META NAME=Description CONTENT=
script src=http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js;/script
http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js%22%3E%3C/script
link href=css/sample.css type=text/css rel=stylesheet/
style type=text/css
body {
background-color: #acc;
color: #fff;
font-size: 25px;
}
/style
style type=text/css
.chumma {
background-color: #ff9900;
color: #123456;
font-size: 30px;
width: 500px;
height: 500px;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
$(document).ready(function(){
$(input.offButt).click(function() {
if($(head:has(style)) $(head:has(link))){
$(head:has(style)).remove();
$(head:has(link)).remove();
}
});
});
/script
/HEAD
BODY
Sample for CSS off
form name=sampleForm
input type=button value=Click to Off the CSS class=offButt
id=offButt /
div class=chummaHi Kevin/div
div class=nameWebsite group - Kevin/div
/form
/BODY
/HTML
Thanks,
JC
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote:
Hello fellow WSG'ers.
Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a
clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS?
Thanks,
Kevin
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RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Sorry. That question wasn't very clear. I meant when the visitor goes to
other pages on the site I would like the CSS to remain off using a
cookie. Do you have a way to do that?
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:44 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Thanks Jayachandran!
That definitely works but is there a way that it could keep the CSS off
when the visitor leaves the page? Using a cookie maybe?
Here is the page using your example:
http://www.doetest.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/test-css-off-fro
m-wsg2.shtml
Thank you,
Kevin
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Jayachandran Kandasamy
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:25 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button
Hi Kevin,
I have tried some sample code for switching off the CSS in jQuery.
Please go through this code below and let me know how far it is helping
you - if need anyother assistance please reply
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN
HTML
HEAD
TITLE New Document /TITLE
META NAME=Generator CONTENT=EditPlus
META NAME=Author CONTENT=
META NAME=Keywords CONTENT=
META NAME=Description CONTENT=
script src=http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js;/script
http://code.jquery.com/jquery-latest.js%22%3E%3C/script
link href=css/sample.css type=text/css rel=stylesheet/
style type=text/css
body {
background-color: #acc;
color: #fff;
font-size: 25px;
}
/style
style type=text/css
.chumma {
background-color: #ff9900;
color: #123456;
font-size: 30px;
width: 500px;
height: 500px;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
$(document).ready(function(){
$(input.offButt).click(function() {
if($(head:has(style)) $(head:has(link))){
$(head:has(style)).remove();
$(head:has(link)).remove();
}
});
});
/script
/HEAD
BODY
Sample for CSS off
form name=sampleForm
input type=button value=Click to Off the CSS class=offButt
id=offButt /
div class=chummaHi Kevin/div
div class=nameWebsite group - Kevin/div
/form
/BODY
/HTML
Thanks,
JC
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote:
Hello fellow WSG'ers.
Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a
clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS?
Thanks,
Kevin
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RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Yes. I have a prototype with the imports and it DOES work. Thanks -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS off button That's because you have so many different css files link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/508.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/core.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/body_content.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/general_html.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/header.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/leftnav.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/rightnav.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/custom_styles.css type=text/css / link rel=stylesheet href=/styles/import/footer.css type=text/css / It might work better if you had a base css that included imports within it to the sub css files. When you switch that with a new css file the imports should also be skipped. I haven't tested that, but I think it would work. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:27 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS off button Thanks for the responses. The reason I am looking for something along these lines it to have a text only look. A state requirement by State of Virginia for all government web sites. I like the style switcher idea which I am already using but when I switch to an alternate style it only changes what I specify in that alternate CSS file. A blank CSS file would change nothing. Or am I missing something about how to use the style switcher. I have it used in the far right of the banner for changing the text size here: http://www.doe.virginia.gov. cheers -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button Hi Kevin On 23 January 2010 06:52, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS? Why do you want to switch off CSS? Reasons aside, the simplest method that jumps to my mind is to use an empty alternate stylesheet and some JavaScript to switch between it and the default [presuming you have all your style in the one external CSS file]. This rather old article explains the concept http://www.alistapart.com/articles/alternate/ If you have the option, a server-side approach as Paul suggests would be more reliable as it would work without JavaScript. Comes back to why!? Hope that helps Ollie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] CSS off button
Thanks for the responses. The reason I am looking for something along these lines it to have a text only look. A state requirement by State of Virginia for all government web sites. I like the style switcher idea which I am already using but when I switch to an alternate style it only changes what I specify in that alternate CSS file. A blank CSS file would change nothing. Or am I missing something about how to use the style switcher. I have it used in the far right of the banner for changing the text size here: http://www.doe.virginia.gov. cheers -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS off button Hi Kevin On 23 January 2010 06:52, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Could anyone please tell me if there is a right way to put a clickable button in a web page that will turn off all CSS? Why do you want to switch off CSS? Reasons aside, the simplest method that jumps to my mind is to use an empty alternate stylesheet and some JavaScript to switch between it and the default [presuming you have all your style in the one external CSS file]. This rather old article explains the concept http://www.alistapart.com/articles/alternate/ If you have the option, a server-side approach as Paul suggests would be more reliable as it would work without JavaScript. Comes back to why!? Hope that helps Ollie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] [WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (22/12/09)
You didn't give up did you Russ??? There is always hope if we choose to see it right? Please keep sending your links and don't let the bad apples spoil the whole bunch :) Sincerely! -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:55 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] [WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (22/12/09) ...Ahhh... I give up... there is no hope. Russ On 22/12/2009, at 10:46 PM, Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Will HTML5 make the Web even more invalid? http://rebuildingtheweb.com/en/html5-make-web-more-invalid/ Can you provide any reason why you keep posting links to this site? Yes the blog _seems_ to be about web standards, but the posts are just speculation of poor quality and based on the lack of information, misunderstanding and false assumptions. Sure, the guy has financial interest of keeping xhtml afloat, so he may see the HTML5 as a threat, but that's not a good enough reason to spout nonsense. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chabot, Elliot Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation The start attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start . Elliot From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation
Excellent information! Thanks!! From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Frank Palinkas Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:36 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hi Kevin, If you wish to write HTML5, the start attribute has been rescued from its deprecated state and may be used when needed. Here is the HTML5 working draft describing it: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#attr-ol-start Validating HTML5: W3C: http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/#validate_by_upload+with_options Under Document type select HTML5 (I'm not sure how good this one is yet.) Validator.nu (by Henri Sivonen): http://html5.validator.nu/ (This one has been in use for a while.) Hope that helps, Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Documentation and Localization Core Technologies and Consumer Engineering Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11 http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not break a list apart ever??? From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chabot, Elliot Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation The start attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 specification - http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start . Elliot From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Deprecated start for lists confirmation Hello, Is the start attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to do this? i.e. - ol class=list_style_numeric liinfo/li liinfo/li /ol anything... ol class=list_style_numeric start=3 liinfo /ol Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts
Thank you Russ! Much appreciated here as well!!! Kevin From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:03 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] The 'Some Links for Light Reading' posts Hi there I'd just like to send a big thank you to Russ Weakley for taking the time to collate and send this to WSG Announce each week! I always find really interesting stuff there, and usually bookmark a couple of links from it. So, thanks Russ - it's really appreciated! Cheers susie *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Yes there is an H2 and H1 that proceeds. Thanks. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Matijs Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:32 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice If you're using a h3 inside a list, I kind of expect a h2 and a h1 to precede that... Is it really necessary to use a h3 or could you just style an ol or ul in the appropriate way? On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Hi, I have an ordered list that needs the items to be alphabetized and have lines in between the items that will be subheadings within the list BUT also need to NOT take a letter. Is there a best practice on trying to accomplish the desired look? (examples below) Here is the code with no validation issues but the two lines with Subheading will get a letter (not desired): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol I appreciate any advice, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Thank you! But unfortunately the subheading lines there would steal a letter, (i.e. B and E in your list). I am trying to avoid that. So on this subject, I am with Paul, who commented that I need to break it up with sub lists: ol li ol li a /li li b /li li c /li /ol h3 subhead /h3 ol li d /li li e /li /ol /li /ol From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Ireson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice Hi Kevin, Headings in lists will validate. However as Matijs says all you need to do is style the list elements and remove the divs. Kevin Work in progress includes: http://www.hotel-france-hotels.com http://www.hotels-uk-accommodation.co.uk ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li li class=margin_left_minus_40pxbSubheading/b/li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li li class=margin_left_minus_40pxbSubheading/b/li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol From: Matijs mailto:mat...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice If you're using a h3 inside a list, I kind of expect a h2 and a h1 to precede that... Is it really necessary to use a h3 or could you just style an ol or ul in the appropriate way? On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Hi, I have an ordered list that needs the items to be alphabetized and have lines in between the items that will be subheadings within the list BUT also need to NOT take a letter. Is there a best practice on trying to accomplish the desired look? (examples below) Here is the code with no validation issues but the two lines with Subheading will get a letter (not desired): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol I appreciate any advice, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Hi, I have an ordered list that needs the items to be alphabetized and have lines in between the items that will be subheadings within the list BUT also need to NOT take a letter. Is there a best practice on trying to accomplish the desired look? (examples below) Here is the code with no validation issues but the two lines with Subheading will get a letter (not desired): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol): ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol I appreciate any advice, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Good call. I did this and it works visually and validates. How will this work for screen readers? Anyone??? -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kepler Gelotte Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:44 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol): How about: ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Thanks Stuart.
Exactly what I was looking for!! But will this work for an ordered list
with capital letter styling? And is it kosher for web standards?
BTW- I changed my list to use CSS for the deprecated type attribute.
Now using:
.list_style_upper_alpha { /*For ordered lists that need ABC...*/
list-style-type:upper-alpha;
}
Cheers
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:08 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
Perhaps you could use separate lists for each sub-heading then use the
appropriate start value for each list.
Using something similar to:
http://www.arraystudio.com/as-workshop/make-ol-list-start-from-number-di
fferent-than-1-using-css.html
(maybe an unordered list(definition list?) of subheadings with nested
ordered lists)
Just an idea.
On Tue, September 22, 2009 3:40 pm, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:
Hi,
I have an ordered list that needs the items to be alphabetized and
have lines in between the items that will be subheadings within the
list BUT also need to NOT take a letter. Is there a best practice on
trying to accomplish the desired look? (examples below)
Here is the code with no validation issues but the two lines with
Subheading will get a letter (not desired):
ol type=A
lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li
li
div class=margin_left_minus_40px
h3Subheading/h3
/div
/li
lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li
lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li
li
div class=margin_left_minus_40px
h3Subheading/h3
/div
/li
lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li
lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li
/ol
In the following list I get the desired results in the browser but
does not validate,(The tag:div is not allowed within: ol):
ol type=A
lia href=a.pdfFirst/a/li
div class=margin_left_minus_40px
h3Subheading/h3
/div
lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li
lia href=c.pdfFirst/a/li
div class=margin_left_minus_40px
h3Subheading/h3
/div
lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li
lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li
/ol
I appreciate any advice,
Kevin
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RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice
This sounds like excellent advice. I am going to rethink my naming convention as well as the way this list needs to be broken up. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Kevin -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Paul Novitski Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:51 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Ordered List Best Practice At 9/22/2009 08:43 AM, Kepler Gelotte wrote: ol type=A lia href=a.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=b.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=c.pdfFirst/a div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div /li lia href=d.pdfFirst/a/li lia href=e.pdfFirst/a/li /ol I find this solution problematic. Scrutinizing the markup, I would put a subhead at the beginning of the content it heads, not at the tail of whatever content precedes it. Semantically, if items d e deserve their own subhead, to what extent are they really part of the same list as a, b, c? They might be on the same nesting level, but are they really part of the same list? It would be interesting to see some of the actual content of this list to see why the original poster felt that all five items belong in one list. I guess the bottom line here is that today's HTML doesn't permit us to insert a headline into the middle of a list but gives us this solution: ol li ol li a /li li b /li li c /li /ol h3 subhead /h3 ol li d /li li e /li /ol /li /ol div class=margin_left_minus_40px h3Subheading/h3 /div Aside, is the div really necessary? Could not any necessary styling be applied to the h3 itself? If complicated markup is deemed necessary, for example because of multiple background images CSS3, I myself would rather nest structures inside the headline rather than hang them outside of it so as to reach for a greater semantic clarity. Also, I suggest you use class names that evoke the purpose of a structure and not its presentation. If your class names are going to be as explicit as margin_left_minus_40px then you're no better off than injecting style rules inline. Either way, if you change the graphic design you'll be changing your markup. In this particular example you likely don't need class names at all because you can specify the divs and h3s unambiguously from their position in the markup, e.g. ol.listName li h3 Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Accessible Forms
Good day, When making a form in Dreamweaver it puts in id=same as name in to every form item. When I take out all the id attributes the form still works. Why are the id attributes being put in by DW and, more importantly, is there an accessibility issue if I take them out? i.e. - textarea name=Comments cols=60 rows=5/textarea vs. textarea name=Comments id=Comments cols=60 rows=5/textarea and input type=submit name=submit2 value=Submit / vs. input type=submit name=submit2 id=submit value=Submit / Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms
Have you tested it out with any screen readers? I would like to hear about the results. Kevin -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms On a slightly related topic, I have wrapped inputs inside of labels for browser compatibility for the label clickability/focus issue (based on some research some time ago), but have just read for the first time recently, that this is not a good idea. Any thoughts? On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM, James O'Neillfreexe...@gmail.com wrote: I think the ID's are required for the 'for' attribute to work for labels, which enables the their clickability. When these labels are clicked on they focus on the element whose ID is in the for attribute. Thank you, Kevin -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms
Wow! So what is the best practice??? -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:59 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: 19 August 2009 20:10 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms The reason I use this was because I found an easy way to style forms that included the broader compatibility for the clickability of labels for focus with the flexibility of layout with the inclusion of a span like: label for=name spanFirst Name/span input type=text / /label I use this a lot for putting the label text next to the input, instead of stacking, and it gives easy control of this layout. Any info on the wrapping of inputs in a label being bad would be appreciated. We recently tested this exact construction (with the appropriate 'id' attribute in the input element) and got surprising results with JAWS. It does not associate the text label with the form control even though they are associated in two ways (the 'for' and 'id' attributes and the fact that they are enclosed in the label element. JAWS does associate the text label and form control if the span element is not present but that limits your styling options. I have no idea why JAWS behaves this way. Steve Green Director Test Partners Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms
I have two simple forms. Which is better?: http://www.doedev.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/form_mail_vi/form _mailer4.shtml Code: form name=form_submit method=post action=/home_files/forms/form_mail_template.cfm p span id=sprytextfield1 label for=FirstNameFirst Name:br / input type=text name=FirstName id=FirstName size=30 / /label span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span /span br / span id=sprytextfield2 label for=LastNameLast Name:br / input name=LastName type=text id=LastName size=40 / /label span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span /spanbr / span id=sprytextfield3 label for=EmailEmail Address:br / input name=Email type=text id=Email size=50 /br / /label span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./spanspan class=textfieldInvalidFormatMsgInvalid format./span /span /p p span id=sprytextarea1 label for=CommentsComments:br / textarea name=Comments id=Comments cols=50 rows=5/textarea /label /span /p p label input type=submit name=submit2 id=submit value=Submit / /label /p /form AND http://www.doedev.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/form_mail_vi/form _mailer6.shtml Code: form name=form_submit method=post action=/home_files/forms/form_mail_template.cfm p*Required information/p table width=800 caption Form Mailer /caption tr td width=158 align=right label for=FirstName*First Name:/label/td td width=626span id=sprytextfield1 input type=text name=FirstName id=FirstName size=30 / span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span/span/td /tr tr td align=right label for=LastName*Last Name:/label/td tdspan id=sprytextfield2 input name=LastName type=text id=LastName size=40 / span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span/span/td /tr tr td align=right label for=Email*Email Address:/label/td tdspan id=sprytextfield3 input name=Email type=text id=Email size=50 / span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./spanspan class=textfieldInvalidFormatMsgInvalid format./span/span/td /tr tr td align=right label for=CommentsComments:/label/td tdspan id=sprytextarea1 textarea name=Comments id=Comments cols=50 rows=5/textarea /span/td /tr tr td colspan=2 align=centerlabel input type=submit name=submit id=submit value=Submit / /label/td /tr /table /form -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:10 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms On 19/08/2009 20:04, David Dorward wrote: On 19 Aug 2009, at 19:35, Tom Livingston wrote: On a slightly related topic, I have wrapped inputs inside of labels for browser compatibility for the label clickability/focus issue (based on some research some time ago), but have just read for the first time recently, that this is not a good idea. Any thoughts? It isn't really a bad idea. It isn't as well supported as using the for attribute, so you should use that as well. Beyond that it is a matter of person taste. Well, I haven't personally verified this, but there are apparently some interoperability drawbacks to nesting inside labels even when you also use for and id, i.e. label for=name-field Name: input id=name-field
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms
FYI- I did replace align=right align=center with CSS styling. -Original Message- From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:33 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms I have two simple forms. Which is better?: http://www.doedev.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/form_mail_vi/form _mailer4.shtml Code: form name=form_submit method=post action=/home_files/forms/form_mail_template.cfm p span id=sprytextfield1 label for=FirstNameFirst Name:br / input type=text name=FirstName id=FirstName size=30 / /label span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span /span br / span id=sprytextfield2 label for=LastNameLast Name:br / input name=LastName type=text id=LastName size=40 / /label span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span /spanbr / span id=sprytextfield3 label for=EmailEmail Address:br / input name=Email type=text id=Email size=50 /br / /label span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./spanspan class=textfieldInvalidFormatMsgInvalid format./span /span /p p span id=sprytextarea1 label for=CommentsComments:br / textarea name=Comments id=Comments cols=50 rows=5/textarea /label /span /p p label input type=submit name=submit2 id=submit value=Submit / /label /p /form AND http://www.doedev.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/form_mail_vi/form _mailer6.shtml Code: form name=form_submit method=post action=/home_files/forms/form_mail_template.cfm p*Required information/p table width=800 caption Form Mailer /caption tr td width=158 align=right label for=FirstName*First Name:/label/td td width=626span id=sprytextfield1 input type=text name=FirstName id=FirstName size=30 / span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span/span/td /tr tr td align=right label for=LastName*Last Name:/label/td tdspan id=sprytextfield2 input name=LastName type=text id=LastName size=40 / span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span/span/td /tr tr td align=right label for=Email*Email Address:/label/td tdspan id=sprytextfield3 input name=Email type=text id=Email size=50 / span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./spanspan class=textfieldInvalidFormatMsgInvalid format./span/span/td /tr tr td align=right label for=CommentsComments:/label/td tdspan id=sprytextarea1 textarea name=Comments id=Comments cols=50 rows=5/textarea /span/td /tr tr td colspan=2 align=centerlabel input type=submit name=submit id=submit value=Submit / /label/td /tr /table /form -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:10 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms On 19/08/2009 20:04, David Dorward wrote: On 19 Aug 2009, at 19:35, Tom Livingston wrote: On a slightly related topic, I have wrapped inputs inside of labels for browser compatibility for the label clickability/focus issue (based on some research some time ago), but have just read for the first time recently, that this is not a good idea. Any thoughts? It isn't really a bad idea. It isn't as well supported as using the for attribute, so you should use that as well. Beyond that it is a matter of person
RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms
FYI- I did replace align=right align=center with CSS styling. -Original Message- From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:33 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Accessible Forms I have two simple forms. Which is better?: http://www.doedev.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/form_mail_vi/form _mailer4.shtml Code: form name=form_submit method=post action=/home_files/forms/form_mail_template.cfm p span id=sprytextfield1 label for=FirstNameFirst Name:br / input type=text name=FirstName id=FirstName size=30 / /label span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span /span br / span id=sprytextfield2 label for=LastNameLast Name:br / input name=LastName type=text id=LastName size=40 / /label span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span /spanbr / span id=sprytextfield3 label for=EmailEmail Address:br / input name=Email type=text id=Email size=50 /br / /label span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./spanspan class=textfieldInvalidFormatMsgInvalid format./span /span /p p span id=sprytextarea1 label for=CommentsComments:br / textarea name=Comments id=Comments cols=50 rows=5/textarea /label /span /p p label input type=submit name=submit2 id=submit value=Submit / /label /p /form AND http://www.doedev.vi.virginia.gov/z_testing_area/kevin/form_mail_vi/form _mailer6.shtml Code: form name=form_submit method=post action=/home_files/forms/form_mail_template.cfm p*Required information/p table width=800 caption Form Mailer /caption tr td width=158 align=right label for=FirstName*First Name:/label/td td width=626span id=sprytextfield1 input type=text name=FirstName id=FirstName size=30 / span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span/span/td /tr tr td align=right label for=LastName*Last Name:/label/td tdspan id=sprytextfield2 input name=LastName type=text id=LastName size=40 / span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./span/span/td /tr tr td align=right label for=Email*Email Address:/label/td tdspan id=sprytextfield3 input name=Email type=text id=Email size=50 / span class=textfieldRequiredMsgA value is required./spanspan class=textfieldInvalidFormatMsgInvalid format./span/span/td /tr tr td align=right label for=CommentsComments:/label/td tdspan id=sprytextarea1 textarea name=Comments id=Comments cols=50 rows=5/textarea /span/td /tr tr td colspan=2 align=centerlabel input type=submit name=submit id=submit value=Submit / /label/td /tr /table /form -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:10 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms On 19/08/2009 20:04, David Dorward wrote: On 19 Aug 2009, at 19:35, Tom Livingston wrote: On a slightly related topic, I have wrapped inputs inside of labels for browser compatibility for the label clickability/focus issue (based on some research some time ago), but have just read for the first time recently, that this is not a good idea. Any thoughts? It isn't really a bad idea. It isn't as well supported as using the for attribute, so you should use that as well. Beyond that it is a matter of person taste
[WSG] IE8 and testing for Accessibility 508 Compliancy
Hello, Could anyone please give me information about IE8 and testing for accessibility and 508 compliancy? If anyone has links to this information that would be very helpful too. Regards, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Uppercase Tag Names
Hello All, This looks like a really good cause. Please sign the petition to reopen the Accessibility Institute at the University of Texas created by the late John Slatin http://www.molly.com/2008/04/07/the-john-slatin-fund-accessibility-proj ect/ and colleagues here: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/SavetheInstitute http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/SavetheInstitute . Let's show support for Mr. Slatin who clearly worked very hard to make the path towards universal accessibility and much needed training stronger for all of us. Regards, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Appropriate postings
Thank you!!! I agree 100%. Nothing is better than trying to find information from a well rounded group. That is what makes this list so great! For some one to say they want a newbie level list, tells me they have not thought it through. We should ask those that don't want to participate in a subject to delete/ignore it. Sincerely, kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Appropriate postings On lists like these, newbies can become gurus. And the cycle unselfishly gets repeated. :) Respectfully, Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Encoding odities
try this: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 / From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barney Carroll Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:27 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Encoding odities Hello all, I've got a problem with character set encoding I'd like to rectify. I use UTF-8 as a matter of convenience and ideology, and don't believe it should be that much of a problem. My editor (Notepad++) is set to create new files in UTF-8 without a byte order mark, but when I retrieve files from my server it tells me that they're ANSI. I ran an automatic W3C validation of my markup just a second ago after making some edits and it warns me that no character set encoding was specified (even though the first tag in my heads is meta name=content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8). More than a little confused about this. Could it be that this is a contradiction with the fact that my files are somehow converted back to ANSI by the server or something? Any help much appreciated, Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
I would think that having the email available in the sense of usability is optimal. Although spam is a big red flag for many. What are some scripts to hide a readable/printable email address? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:03 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email Agree here, I really have to dislike someone to put their email on a webpage in a readable format, there are scripts to hide it. Bruce bkdesign - Original Message - From: Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email Accessible or to keep them not readble from the search engines and SPAM?? Michael Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Michael Persson front-end developer seo *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.- a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address - [EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Krystian - Sunlust Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:33 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email Couldn't an alt tag be read by a braille browser thingie? Regards, -- Krystian - Sunlust Freelance on the side: Sunlust Designs - http://sunlust.net Full time Website Designer at SME System Solutions Ltd *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
I meant title attribute ;) -Original Message- From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email I like the idea of a title tag being used i.e.- a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title=e-mail address - [EMAIL PROTECTED]first name last name/a *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
How about JavaScript? I found this code at
http://rickconner.net/spamweb/avoiding.html:
div align=center
p
script type=text/javascript
!--
// protected email script by Joe Maller
// JavaScripts available at http://www.joemaller.com
// this script is free to use and distribute
// but please credit me and/or link to my site
// data modified for demonstration purposes by Richard C. Conner
emailE=('frank16@' + 'nobody.zzz')
document.write('A href=mailto:' + emailE + '' + emailE + '/a')
//--
/script
/p
noscript
emEmail address protected by
JavaScript.br
Please enable JavaScript
to contact me./em
/noscript
/div
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of David Dorward
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:26 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email
On 15 May 2008, at 16:13, Krystian - Sunlust wrote:
How about the ultimate combo of a voice file with the email spelled
out + an image of the email + alt tag on this image ?
A lot oh hustle
Transcribing an email address is more effect then a lot of people are
willing to make. It's a good way to lose useful feedback.
but it can't be botted ( AFAIK ) and is ultra accessible.
OCR and voice recognition software exists, if the both author can be
bothered to use it.
It isn't accessible to users who can't handle the image or sound (e.g.
braille users without speakers).
--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
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RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust ... ADMIN
What is the address to the WSG forum? What is your email off-list? Could you please give us detailed information that you refer to in future distributions so that I do not have to bother you? ;) Thank you very much, Kevin Erickson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ - maxdesign Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 8:24 AM To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust ... ADMIN ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED This has long ceased to be a discussion on standards and has become a political debate. Feel free to move it the the WSG forum or off list if you wish to continue, but no longer on list. Please do not reply to or continue this thread. If you have an issue with the closing of this thread, email me off-list. Thank you Russ WSG Core *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Jump Menu Title attributes
Hi All, What is the best title attribute wording to indicate a link is a jump link (page navigation links)? Thank you very much, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Browser Text Resizing and the Ill Effects It May Cause
Hello, I am trying to realize the weight of users being able to increase and/or decrease the text size in their browser and the ill effects it has on the design and usability of our sites. Is this something other designers are concerned about and have found solutions? Are we responsible if the user distorts the normal viewing of our site? How far do we go to cover this? Thank you, Kevin Erickson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Dreamweaver Extensions
You mean right in Dreamweaver? Sure. I will use that. Do you recommend any other free or not? I checked out http://www.divahtml.com/products/scripts_dreamweaver_extensions.php. Those look great! Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E Michael Brandt Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:50 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver Extensions Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote: I am looking for extensions that aid in detecting errors on pages, missed alt tags, etc. Why not just Validate the page? E. Michael Brandt www.divahtml.com www.divahtml.com/products/scripts_dreamweaver_extensions.php Standards-compliant scripts and Dreamweaver Extensions www.valleywebdesigns.com/vwd_Vdw.asp JustSo PictureWindow JustSo PhotoAlbum, et alia -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Dreamweaver Extensions
Thanks Patrick. No particular aspect of accessibility. I am looking for extensions that aid in detecting errors on pages, missed alt tags, etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:31 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver Extensions kevin.erickson wrote: I am trying to get advice/recommendations for Dreamweaver extensions that will help with accessibility plus any others that make for must-have's. Any particular aspect of accessibility? There are some extensions that aid in automated validation of local pages, though I never used them myself (and of course, automated validation is not enough...simply the equivalent of a spellcheck, which doesn't guarantee anything other than your words are spelt correctly). Haven't got any urls off-hand for those, but they should be easy to hunt down. Not a must-have as such, but if you find yourself using certain more esoteric elements on a regular basis in WYSIWYG view, this little extension of mine may come in handy http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/88/ P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re*dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3
The BEST file compare software I have seen and used is the open source WinMerge http://winmerge.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Seokzzang Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 2:34 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3 Re Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Avi Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Dec 18, 2007 3:44 AM, Frederick Matzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's true. It does not work within Dreamweaver. I'm not sure if I've ever seen anything that does for sure. I'm using Beyond Compare quite happily with Dreamweaver CS3. Works fine for me (selecting two local documents and hitting compare fires up BC in comparison mode). -- MySource Matrix Product Evangelist Sydney / Melbourne / Canberra / Hobart / London / 2/340 Gore Street T: 1 3000 SQUIZ (77849) Fitzroy, VIC T: +61 (0) 3 9235 5400 3065 F: +61 (0) 3 9235 5444 W: http://www.squiz.net/ . Open Source - Own it - Squiz.net ./ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
