[WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

2009-12-06 Thread Frances de Waal

Hi there,

May I ask your opinion about some semantic/HTML basics?

In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I do  
with each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few  
occasions to use breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is  
it? I like your opinion.


In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form  
semantically, both were using  a list in the form. To me that seems  
totally unneccessary plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can  
be the reason of doing it that way?


InContextEditing, the online CMS from Adobe, needs a extra div for  
every editable region. This makes me avoiding the tool. Some keep  
saying that extra divs don't make any difference to a page at all. I  
agree they have no meaning semantically, but they do create extra code  
which is not neccessary for the content. But then again, we don't talk  
about 100 divs here. So, besides of best practice, is there any place  
where the extra divs may have bad influence?


Frances de Waal
www.waalweb.nl


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Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

2009-12-10 Thread Frances de Waal

Hi,

I never thought of using pre but of course that also is an option to  
use in a poem.

And no secret need for a list in a form as I thought.
And more or less divs... nobody feels anything about this issue,  
that's ok, I suppose no user-agent will stumble over more divs, it is  
just less clean. I was just focused on InContextEditing but of course  
many other CMS's need just as well more divs, I realised after.

Thanks for your reply!

Frances de Waal
www.waalweb.nl


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Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

2010-01-03 Thread Frances de Waal

Hi Jamie,

So good to hear it from people who actually use speech.
I also think it makes most sense to use a paragraph for each verse and  
a break per line. After avoiding breaks I begin to get used on the idea.


Thanks,
Frances

Op 30 dec 2009, om 15:41 heeft Smith, Jamie het volgende geschreven:

I work for Blind Services.  This was an interesting question, so I  
sought out two folks that use speech and benefit from coding  
correctly.


The two blind folks that use speech , one an English major, one a  
verse writer, noted they would prefer that the code was done so  
verses equate to paragraph.  They don’t want to read poems as lists.  
And both often use the paragraph level to read poems to better enjoy  
them.  Paragraph by line, they both noted would make it too choppy  
if using the paragraph level to read the poem.


So, I’d use the paragraph code at the front of the verse, each line  
having a line break.



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Subject: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

Hi there,

May I ask your opinion about some semantic/HTML basics?

In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I  
do with each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few  
occasions to use breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is  
it? I like your opinion.


In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form  
semantically, both were using  a list in the form. To me that seems  
totally unneccessary plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can  
be the reason of doing it that way?


InContextEditing, the online CMS from Adobe, needs a extra div for  
every editable region. This makes me avoiding the tool. Some keep  
saying that extra divs don't make any difference to a page at all. I  
agree they have no meaning semantically, but they do create extra  
code which is not neccessary for the content. But then again, we  
don't talk about 100 divs here. So, besides of best practice, is  
there any place where the extra divs may have bad influence?


Frances de Waal
www.waalweb.nl

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Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

2010-06-17 Thread Frances de Waal

Hi Kevin,

The MIME type application/xhtml+xml may be the right choise in theorie  
but causes some problems in practice. We have finally decided to stop  
using it for mobile devices. Besides of that if your site will be  
maintained with a CMS you can't control the content and a page might  
go blank cause of one little mistake in the code. Removing the content- 
type meta-tag makes Dreamweaver to convert the page to ISO instead of  
UTF, maybe other editors do so as well. Our experience with  
application/xhtml+xml in a nutshell is that the web is not set for it.


Cheers,
Frances de Waal
www.waalweb.nl

Op 17 jun 2010 om 09:10 heeft Tom Ditmars zar...@zarggg.net het  
volgende geschreven:\



On 16-Jun-10 12:34, Kevin Erickson wrote:

Arrrgh! Thanks for the attempt but it still warns on the MIME type
after the change suggested. I guess I can move on but can anyone tell
me what the issue is???


Right here:

meta http-equiv=content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /


Also, as other have mentioned, you should check with your host to make
sure that the file is served how you want it (most likely
application/xhtml+xml). Once you have that set up, you should remove
that meta element.
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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Frances de Waal
Hi Tee,

As far as I know all the stylesheets ánd all the linked resources in them like 
background-images will be loaded with meadia-queries. So I am afraid that the 
large background image that you try to avoid for mobiles, will be loaded anyway 
as long as you try to solve this with media-queries.

Bye,
Frances 

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Op 20 sep 2011, om 00:02 heeft tee het volgende geschreven:

 Please see this.
 
 http://bit.ly/mWvfWC
 
 The reason I want to target body tag in media queries is because I don't want 
 to panelize mobile user to load the large background image.  I started first 
 with min-width but the result was more problematic, so I switched to 
 max-width. As to the reason why there is a min-width and max-width separately 
 for 1024px is because I want to use a background image (no repeat-x) that 
 fills up the width of the desktop's screen (e.g. 2500px), and there is no 
 reason to ask the 1024 screen resolutions' user loads this large image.
 
 tee
 
 On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
 
 On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:34 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hmmm, media queries can't understand body tag; a id or class for the tag is 
 needed. Spec on W3C site doesn't indicate though as I see example like so:
 
 @media all { body { background:lime } }
 
 A browser bug?
 
 Works for me in Chrome:
 
 http://pastehtml.com/view/b7qe04of6.html
 
 Do you have a testcase you can point to that fails in a named browser?
 
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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-10-05 Thread Frances de Waal
Sorry, I missed the replies in this thread, I didn't intend to be unresponsive. 
Indeed it is only Safari as far as I can see that loads all the background 
images at once, but that seems to include also iOS, so quite a big group of 
mobile users. Maybe this will be improved in iOS 5.

Bye,
Frances 

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Op 27 sep 2011, om 23:33 heeft Hassan Schroeder het volgende geschreven:

 On 9/27/11 1:42 PM, Frances de Waal wrote:
 
 As far as I know all the stylesheets ánd all the linked resources in them 
 like background-images
 will be loaded with meadia-queries. So I am afraid that the large background 
 image that you try
 to avoid for mobiles, will be loaded anyway as long as you try to solve this 
 with media-queries.
 
 What are you basing this on?
 
 A quick test in Chrome and Firefox on OS X and Chrome on an old G1
 Android phone, at least, shows that *not* to be true; a background
 image is only loaded for the rule that matches the applicable media-
 query. You can watch the logs (or developer console) and see other
 images fetched as you resize the browser.
 
 What browsers/platforms have you tested where this doesn't work?
 
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Re: [WSG] Can some of the HTML5 elements be used more than once?

2011-10-05 Thread Frances de Waal
Hi Tee,

You can have multiple semanticle HTML5 elements like header, article, section, 
, footer, aside and nav elements in one webpage. It all depends on it if you 
want to give the content a semantical meaning, if so, use the corresponding new 
elements. Only if the box is for other purposes like layout, div is the one to 
use. As welcome as the elements are, I find that it also often leads to quite a 
puzzle sometimes to have a clear and logic use of them. 

Frances 

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Op 5 okt 2011, om 12:44 heeft tee het volgende geschreven:

 I can't find any info if it's OK to use some of the HTML5 elements more than 
 once. 
 
 What I have in mind, in a ecommerce site which has 3 columns layout, in which 
 left/right side columns are used for reports (e.g., recently view, upsell, 
 related products, poll or newsletter etc...). 
 
 
 So can I have?
 
 aside id=leftcol/aside
 section id=middle-col/section
 aside id=rightcol/aside
 
 p/s. I know I can do something like below but for layout/design 
 consideration, this may not be the best approach sometimes.
 
 
 section id=middle-col/section
 aside
 div class=sidecol1/div
 div class=sidecol2/div
 /aside
 
 Similarly, can nav element be used twice? One for cateogries menu, and one 
 for general menu that is used for Customer Service, FAQ sort of the pages.
 
 Thanks!
 
 tee
 
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[WSG] nav element

2011-11-22 Thread Frances de Waal
Hi,

Working with the semantical HTML5 elements I keep feeling aversion to the extra 
elements I am producing. Like the nav element, using it as a container for a 
menu in an list does not feel as an advantage, I never needed a container for 
the list before. I trained myself in keeping the code as clean and small as 
possible and now I am simply creating more elements. 

How about a nav element containing just links? I can think of answer myself 
like that a nav element may also contain a header, or contain paragraph with 
links inside the text. So this could lead to the conclusion that (with keeping 
in mind to never use an element unless you need it) that I should only use the 
nav element in such cases, and that a nav element around a simple list is not 
adding anything to it but creating more code.

Anyone having any thoughts on this?

Bye,
Frances 

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Re: [WSG] nav element

2011-11-22 Thread Frances de Waal
Hi Phil,

Yes, you are right, and screenreaders have the opportunity to skip the nav, for 
instance. It is just that when I work with this I keep having the feeling it is 
a bit overdone and I keep looking for some logic to simplify things. So I 
wonder how others deal with this, maybe something I didn't think of...?

Frances 

Op 22 nov 2011, om 16:16 heeft Phil Archer het volgende geschreven:

 Hi Frances,
 
 I think you might be missing some of the semantics. I might include a list in 
 a page, such as a list of references, or a friend list where each friend was 
 linked to their public profile - but those aren't navigation links. The nav 
 / element tells search engines etc. what this list of links is for.
 
 Dunno if that makes sense,
 
 Phil.
 
 On 22/11/2011 14:32, Frances de Waal wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Working with the semantical HTML5 elements I keep feeling aversion to the 
 extra elements I am producing. Like the nav element, using it as a container 
 for a menu in an list does not feel as an advantage, I never needed a 
 container for the list before. I trained myself in keeping the code as clean 
 and small as possible and now I am simply creating more elements.
 
 How about a nav element containing just links? I can think of answer myself 
 like that a nav element may also contain a header, or contain paragraph with 
 links inside the text. So this could lead to the conclusion that (with 
 keeping in mind to never use an element unless you need it) that I should 
 only use the nav element in such cases, and that a nav element around a 
 simple list is not adding anything to it but creating more code.
 
 Anyone having any thoughts on this?
 
 Bye,
 Frances
 
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Re: [WSG] nav element

2011-11-22 Thread Frances de Waal
Thank you, David, good to know, I am afraid this is an example of what made me 
pose this question :). Suppose time will solve it all!

Frances 


Op 22 nov 2011, om 16:52 heeft David Hucklesby het volgende geschreven:

 On 11/22/11 6:32 AM, Frances de Waal wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Working with the semantical HTML5 elements I keep feeling aversion
 to the extra elements I am producing. Like the nav element, using it
 as a container for a menu in an list does not feel as an advantage,
 I never needed a container for the list before. I trained myself in
 keeping the code as clean and small as possible and now I am simply
 creating more elements.
 
 How about a nav element containing just links? I can think of answer
 myself like that a nav element may also contain a header, or contain
 paragraph with links inside the text. So this could lead to the
 conclusion that (with keeping in mind to never use an element unless
 you need it) that I should only use the nav element in such cases,
 and that a nav element around a simple list is not adding anything
 to it but creating more code.
 
 Anyone having any thoughts on this?
 
 
 FWIW - I also include a heading element inside the nav element (or
 div class=nav ). This is for the benefit of non-visual agents, or
 for cases where CSS is not applied. (Go naked day ???)
 
 example:
 nav
  h2Site Navigation/h2
  ul
 lia href=??Home/a/li
 ...
  /ul
 /nav
 
 This heading is not needed where convention dictates the purpose of the
 links - as in the case of a menu bar, for example. So it can be moved
 off screen or otherwise visually hidden, but available to screen readers
 etc.
 
 HTH.
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 David
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Adobe Installation Nightm Mares

2011-12-09 Thread Frances de Waal
Hi Marvin,

As far as I know there are no different versions for 32 and 64 bit, this must 
have something to do with your own computer. Adobe has a first line and second 
line helpdesk, they should be able to assist you with this.

Bye,
Frances 

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Op 9 dec. 2011, om 07:01 heeft Marvin Hunkin het volgende geschreven:

 installing adobe cs 5.5
 Hi.
 well purchased adobe student 5.5 cs 5.5 web premium.
 now when i try to install.
 i get the error.
 did purchase a 32 bit version.
 but thinks i have a 64 bit program.
 so, how to get this to work.
 have got my serial number and my adobe online account.
 any one installed adobe from dvd.
 this is frustrating.
 as i am in australia, did contact adobe, but they could not resolve my 
 problem.
 and now it could be a few days, before adobe can help.
 any ideas.
 Marvin.
 ps: will paste the errors below
 
 Installation Status
 Your installation encountered errors.
 WELCOME
 SERIAL NUMBER
 ADOBE ID
 Please try restarting your system and installing again.
 OPTIONS
 Exit Code: 7
 
 -- Summary 
 --
 
 - 1 fatal error(s), 10 error(s), 3 warning(s)
 
 WARNING: DW024: The payload: Adobe Photoshop CS5.1 Core  
 {08EF22BC-43B2-4B4E-BA12-52B18F418F38} requires a UI parent with following 
 specification:
 
Family: Photoshop
 
ProductName: Adobe Photoshop CS5.1 Core_x64
 
This parent relationship is not satisfied, because this payload is not 
 present in this session.
 
 WARNING: DW025: The payload with AdobeCode:  
 {D8CCCF4C-C227-427C-B4BE-736657D2AB7E} has recommended dependency on:
 
Family: Adobe Web Suite CS5.5
 
ProductName: Adobe Media Encoder CS5.5 X64
 
MinVersion: 0.0.0.0
 
This dependency is not satisfied, because this payload is x64 and is not 
 supported on this machine.
 
Removing this payload from the dependency list.
 
 ERROR: DW025: The payload with AdobeCode:  
 {D97AF04B-B70A-4862-BC25-31E6D9C4A529} has required dependency on:
 
Family: CoreTech
 
ProductName: Adobe Player for Embedding x64 3.1
 
MinVersion: 0.0.0.0
 
This dependency is not satisfied, because this payload is x64 and is not 
 supported on this machine.
 
Removing this dependency from list. Product may function improperly.
 
 ERROR: DW025: The payload with AdobeCode:  
 {D97AF04B-B70A-4862-BC25-31E6D9C4A529} has required dependency on:
 
Family: Shared Technology
 
ProductName: Photoshop Camera Raw (64 bit)
 
MinVersion: 0.0.0.0
 
This dependency is not satisfied, because this payload is x64 and is not 
 supported on this machine.
 
Removing this dependency from list. Product may function improperly.
 
 ERROR: DW025: The payload with AdobeCode:  
 {D97AF04B-B70A-4862-BC25-31E6D9C4A529} has required dependency on:
 
Family: CoreTech
 
ProductName: AdobeCMaps x64 CS5
 
MinVersion: 0.0.0.0
 
This dependency is not satisfied, because this payload is x64 and is not 
 supported on this machine.
 
Removing this dependency from list. Product may function improperly.
 
 ERROR: DW025: The payload with AdobeCode:  
 {D97AF04B-B70A-4862-BC25-31E6D9C4A529} has required dependency on:
 
Family: CoreTech
 
ProductName: Adobe Linguistics CS5 x64
 
MinVersion: 0.0.0.0
 
This dependency is not satisfied, because this payload is x64 and is not 
 supported on this machine.
 
Removing this dependency from list. Product may function improperly.
 
 ERROR: DW025: The payload with AdobeCode:  
 {D97AF04B-B70A-4862-BC25-31E6D9C4A529} has required dependency on:
 
Family: CoreTech
 
ProductName: AdobePDFL x64 CS5
 
MinVersion: 0.0.0.0
 
This dependency is not satisfied, because this payload is x64 and is not 
 supported on this machine.
 
Removing this dependency from list. Product may function improperly.
 
 ERROR: DW025: The payload with AdobeCode:  
 {D97AF04B-B70A-4862-BC25-31E6D9C4A529} has required dependency on:
 
Family: CoreTech
 
ProductName: AdobeTypeSupport x64 CS5
 
MinVersion: 0.0.0.0
 
This dependency is not satisfied, because this payload is x64 and is not 
 supported on this machine.
 
Removing this dependency from list. Product may function improperly.
 
 ERROR: DW025: The payload with AdobeCode:  
 {D97AF04B-B70A-4862-BC25-31E6D9C4A529} has required dependency on:
 
Family: CoreTech
 
ProductName: Adobe WinSoft Linguistics Plugin CS5 x64
 
MinVersion: 0.0.0.0
 
This dependency is not satisfied, because this payload is x64 and is not 
 supported on this machine.
 
Removing this dependency from list. Product may function improperly.
 
 WARNING: DW025: The payload with AdobeCode:  
 {D97AF04B-B70A-4862-BC25-31E6D9C4A529} has recommended dependency on:
 
Family: Adobe Web Suite CS5.5
 
ProductName: Adobe Media