[WSG] Australia Standards Based Web Awards
Ever wanted to enter e web awards in which you knew you would be judged on web standards and by your peers in the web industry. Pipe dream? Well this year you can, following on from the highly successful WA Web Awards, held annually since 2005, the Australian Web Industry Association (AWIA) is expanding its awards program nationally to all of Australia. The inaugural Australian Web Awards is open to all web sites produced primarily by Australian designers and developers in the 2008/2009 financial year - that's right, we want YOUR work to be showcased! Entries close on July 7 (only a week away) so don't delay - get your work entered to see how it stacks up against others in Australia. Awards presentation events will be held in Brisbane, Sydney and Perth, with the overall best of the best announced at a black tie dinner on the 6th of November in Perth, after the Edge of the Web conference. Find more details about entry and judging criteria, categories, and costs, visit the Web Awards web site: http://www.webawards.com.au/ I hope you are inspired to enter your work - and good luck to everyone! Don't forget that entries close in just over a week from now. P.S. If you know anyone else who should know about the Australian Web Awards, please forward this onto them. P.P.S. If you use Twitter, you can follow us at http://twitter.com/auswebawards Gary Barber User Experience Designer/ Web Architect Web: radharc.com.au blog: manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] PNG - how cross-browser standard reliable?
Yes you can use the IE6 PNG filter.
However note that IE6 implementations before the service packs will not
support this either.
And yes there are major installations of IE6 on these older subversions
of IE6. This used to trip me up all the time. To the point that I no
longer bother, just replacing the PNG in IE6 with the GIF. All park of
the not for perfect experience for IE6 users.
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Zain Ansari wrote:
Hi Mike,
A simple solution for IE6 PNG support is
_*HTML Code:*_
div class=iePng_logo id=ieBg img src=images/logo_png.png
class=ieHide //div
_*CSS Code:*_
.iePng_logo
{filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='images/logo_png.png',sizingMethod='scale');
width:307px; height:34px;}
.iePng
{filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='images/screenshot.png',sizingMethod='scale');
width:438px; height:230px;}
.ieHide {border:0 solid #fff; _display:none;}
#ieBg {border:0;}
You can check its working demo from the following URL, Check top left
logo in all browsers its transparent PNG, you can save it and check
its transparency
http://expertsdesk.net/novotech/
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG - how cross-browser standard reliable?
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:31:15 +0100
Only if they are PNGs with alpha transparencies - these are not
supported in IE6 amongst others (although there are hacks). If it's
just a straightforward image, then PNG will be absolutely fine.
Ben
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On 27 Apr 2009, at 10:46, Mike Kear wrote:
I’m looking at a whole bunch of icons to use in a new app I’m
building, and rather than convert them all to gifs, I was
thinking of leaving them as the .png format they are now.They
work on all the browsers I use, but I’m wondering what everyone
else’s experience has been of using .pngs in web pages.
Last time I tried using a png, I found it worked ok in some
browsers and not in others. Is this still a relevant issue?
Cheers
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Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
On 16/4/09 05:56, Gary Barber wrote:
Now it is
h#{
left: -px;
}
that had issues with screen readers.
Interesting. Not in my experience.
What screen readers and versions are you talking about? Do you have a
test case that demonstrates the problem?
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this may have improved with the browsers and readers (as happens), but
when in was popular, years ago, I do distinctly remember running into
this issue time and time again with testing. hence why text-indent is
the preferred, if not the best all round option.
Mind you we shouldn't develop to the latest in software as a good number
of people with accessibility issues do not have the latest equipment.
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Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty
I will point out that
h#{
text-indent: -px;
}
Is accessible by screen readers. Go test it yourself, but the text is
not visible if images are turned off for normal viewing, which is a main
reason not to use it.
Now it is
h#{
left: -px;
}
that had issues with screen readers.
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Steve Green wrote:
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]on
Behalf Of Christopher Kennon
Sent: 15 April 2009 01:40
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty
Hi All,
The text indent CSS property can render an h# element inaccessible to
screen readers. Other than using an img element and alt attribute,
what image replacement techniques are also accessible?
h#{
text-indent: -px;
}
Chris
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There are lots of image replacement techniques but none of them is
accessible to all user groups. It's a case of selecting the least worst, or
preferably not using image replacement at all.
Typical problems are that the images do not scale if the text size is
changed, you cannot change the colour of the text or background, nothing is
displayed if images are turned off but styles are enabled etc etc.
Techniques such as sIFR or FLIR address some of these issues but none of
them address all the issues, so every technique will be inaccessible to some
people.
Steve
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[WSG] [event] Perth - Web Accessibility
Okay Perth, Western Australia doesn't really have a WSG anymore However this event maybe be of interest to any WSG members in Perth. So for those that missed in the Links for Light Reading (thanks Russ - love your work) : *Understanding WCAG 2.0 Preparing Websites with Improved Accessibility* Roger Hudson and Andrew Downie chat about understanding WCAG 2.0 and preparing websites for improved accessibility. Where: The Melbourne Hotel 942 Hay Street PERTH WA 6000 When: Wed. 22 April 2009, 7:00pm + Cost: AWIA Members: $40 Non-Members: $55 Rego and more details - http://www.webindustry.asn.au/ideas5/ -- Gary Barber User Experience Designer/ Web Architect Web: radharc.com.au blog: manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is anyone of you deaf?
Michael Heuberger wrote: Hello folks As a deaf webdesigner strictly following web standards, I am wondering if anyone of you is deaf too? Currently I live in Auckland and am waiting for my permission for residency... Cheers Michael H. Michael You may want to talk with Vicky Stanton. She sometimes contributes here. Her blog is http://www.vickisvapours.com/ -- Gary Barber Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information Architect Web: radharc.com.au blog: manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Western Australia Web Awards
Just to give people in Western Australia the heads up. The WA Web Awards close this Thursday 7th August. This awards comp is very much run on strict web standards and accessibility lines. So it you have a site that was launched last financial year and its a gem of web standards... well I would be submitting it . http://www.wawebawards.com.au/ -- Gary Barber Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information Architect Web: radharc.com.au blog: manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] BarCamp Perth 2.0
People say not a lot happens in Perth, Australia. Not so. Following on from the success of first BarCamp Perth and PodCamp Perth its time for: BarCamp Perth 2.0 -- Date: 10-May-08 Central TAFE, 140 Royal St, East Perth WA 6004 When: 900-1700 on Saturday 10 May 2008 More Details: http://barcamp.port80.asn.au/Main/BarCamp2 Who should attend: Anyone interested in the web, technology and related topics. Cost: FREE! Remember to go sign up, that way we know you are coming and can cater for you. -- Gary Barber Freelance User Interaction Designer/ Information Architect Web: radharc.com.au blog: manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Perth: Event - Usability and Web Startups
This will be relevant to people in Perth, Western Australia its been a bit long between WSG meetings in the west. In case you didn't know there is a micro conference on tomorrow night (Wednesday 30th January, 6:30 pm for 7:00pm) . The Australian Web Industry Association is presenting Ideas4. Hear two great speakers, Lisa Herrod, Usability expert, and Rachel Cook, Founder of Minti talk about usability, accessibility, web start-ups and more, and just mingle with your local industry peers. The Melbourne Hotel 942 Hay Street PERTH WA 6000 You can book online - http://www.webindustry.asn.au/ideas4/ Tickets : AWIA Members : $25 Non- Members : $35 -- Gary Barber User Interaction Designer / Information Architect Web: radharc.com.au blog: manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility
Oh I agree with what is being said. But consider, for a moment. You ask do you want a good quality web site. The clients replies, quality means expensive. As long as it looks good I don't care. Here in lies the problem. It can be the worst tag soup inaccessible non standards nightmare, and it will look good (in all browsers), client doesn't have people with disabilities (that they know of) as customers. So its all sweet. Right? Why bother taking the time to make something that is good quality when at the end of the day the client just wants cheap and functional and looks nice. You and I scream, SEO, 1 in 5 people with a disability, future proofing etc.. But still the client says, ranks okay in Google for me. They are willing a pay again for a make over in total in few years, Isn't that the way. In few years it will all be different so it will cost me the same again, I can't see a cost saving, they say. So the client says Why should I use you with your standards and accessibility, Cowboy Design Joe here is half the cost and looks the same, same Google ranking. Thats the true cost of Accessibility. -- Gary Barber Blog: manwithnoblog.com Twitter: twitter.com/tuna Christian Snodgrass wrote: I agree completely with you. With the exception of your API specifics, I think the same exact way. The cost of adding accessibility should really be zero. It takes no extra time or effort if you are designing and coding your websites the proper, because the methods used for accessibility are also the standards for basic web design. Also, many of the changes that help make a website accessible are also very good for things like cross-browser compatibility and S.E.O. Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design Joseph Taylor wrote: McLaughlin, Gail G wrote: We always ask the client if they require that the site comply with accessibility. Why not say Would you like a shitty website, or a good quality website? Well-made shouldn't be an extra feature... In fact, since its clearly cheaper and easier to make a crappy website, why don't you just mock up pages in Illustrator, save the whole thing as an image with no alt attribute, and use that instead of a real page? Thats real cheap and easy. Heck, there are people that actually do that! Most people will never know! I cannot tell anyone how to run their own business, or design a website for that matter, but I want to state for the record that anyone on this list should be doing there very best to make the best sites they can. Adding alt attributes to images and doing other minor things that make pages more adaptable to devices and more user-friendly is the right thing to do. Blind people? Accessibility is not about blind people. As a designer/developer I don't really care about blind people. I don't consider them (gasp!). I do consider PDAs, cellphones, text-only browsers, screenreaders and google. I take the responsibility upon myself to deliver a product that works on all of them. I also make no guarantees. I don't mention accessibility or other browsers, etc to the client since the aren't considered with the computing world beyond their own desktop for the most part. Those who do ask get the speech of the year and come away knowing that it's a major part of my methodology. I do it for my own satisfaction. Each site is a little better than the last and comes a little closer to being the perfectly marked-up document that it should be to properly function of all devices. Does this take longer or cost more? I'll say not. My PHP coding goes 10 times faster since I use the codeigniter framework to handle the typical BS, my javascript goes 10 time faster since I use jQuery to handle the typical BS, and I have written enough sites that I have a pretty good process going, the result being a better site put together more quickly. For some developers it will take longer and cost more. I know people that shudder to think of making a navigation bar by hand, forever stuck to dreamweaver's horribly bloated javascript rollover menu. For them its simply not an option. Joseph R. B. Taylor - Sites by Joe, LLC Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design Phone: (609) 335-3076 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED
[WSG] Perth - AWIA Port80 Mini Talks Tonight (4th Jul 2007)
Australia Web Industry Association (Perth) Meeting When: Wednesday, July 4, 2007. 6:00 PM Where: The Velvet lounge, Corner of Walcott St and Beaufort St, Mt Lawley, WA Cost: FREE Meet your fellow web professionals. There’s free food, a bar and each month we host two, ten minute talks from members on their area of expertise. This month’s speakers are: David Fono - “Alternate Reality” games Gary Barber - “PDF is not your friend - Accessibility and Optimisation”. Maybe of interest to Web Standards people -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] BarCamp Perth now FREE
Well Finally Perth gets to hold a BarCamp. Thing is it's only 16 Days away on the 30th June from 9-5, Central TAFE, 140 Royal St, East Perth So if you are in Perth, Western Australia. Come along. Its all about sharing. And its FREE. Register ASAP, and get your t-shirt details to the organiser ([EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) and you get a FREE t-shirt on the day. So Signup here - http://www.webindustry.asn.au/projects/barcamp-perth What's a BarCamp. Well those details are on the wiki http://www.barcamp.org/BarCampPerth -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Rob I suspect you are onto something. I too have a very large number of fonts. problem is if you don't have a good Font.plis to copy from. -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com Rob Crowther wrote: Roberto Gorjão wrote: Well, I have quicktime and iTunes. I don't have Swift. I still got all the reported problems in my Win XP SP2: no fonts and crashing bug button. And no, deleting the two .ttf files didn't solve it. I think I've found most of the solution now, following reading this blog post: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/06/safari-3-is-half-baked-web-browser-from.html The problem appears to be the Font.plist file which is created as part of the user profile. I replaced mine with a copy from a colleague's machine (where it was working perfectly), copied the Lucida fonts back in, and now the browser chrome is rendering as expected. Still get some issues with particular fonts on web pages, but the browser chrome now looks right. I suspect the issue might be because I have a big pile of extra fonts installed on my machine over and above the standard ones shipped with Windows, or because one of those fonts is upsetting Safari, because an install I did on a VMWare machine worked fine. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Press that and it hangs.. a bug activating a bug reporting tool, sweet! I know its beta, but at least apple could have a link to an online bug reporter.. -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com Jake Badger wrote: On the tool bar there is a big bug button, try that. :) Jake On 12/6/2007, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] AWIA - June Port80 Mini Talks
For Perth based Web Standards people this may be of interest. 6 June (Tonight) 18:00, talks start 18:30 The Velvet Lounge next to the Flying Scotsman pub in Mt Lawley (corner of Beaufort and Grosvenor Streets) and meet your fellow web professionals. There’s free food, a bar and each month we host two, ten minute talks from members on their area of expertise. This month’s speakers are: * Miles Burke on “Branding is Bullshit” * Stephen Clune on “Intellectual property” No need to register, just rock up and join in! The talk on IP and Copyright by Stephen Clune will especially be of interest as its always a hotly debated topic -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] stand alone blog software
You could try Expression Engine, the core is free to Non-profits. http://expressionengine.com/ Other than that - wordpress. Gary Barber http://manwithnoblog.com Lucien Stals wrote: Sounds like you need Wordpress. http://wordpress.org/ From what you describe, it can do all that. It's also highly themeable if you need a specific custom look and feel. L. Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lisa B McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/05/07 8:41 AM Calling all blog wizards! I need a stand alone blogging software that I can insert into a client's website so they keep their branding and can update their own blogs. I've looked around to no avail. Any suggestions for where to look, how to look, or anything you use that fits the bill? Requirements are images, postings, replies to the original posting plus ability to respond to individual posts. The site is a UK charitable organization that needs the posts to be monitored,anonymous, and secure. The real trick here is being able to pull this off without fancy programming skills. I am willing to host wherever is necessary instead of hosting on my regular servers. TIA, Lisa Lisa B. McLaughlin, NCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] T: +44 (0) 1943 468624 M: +44 (0) 7835 947606 AllSpunUp Websites that work for you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Platforms aside. Given Steve's comments (thanks Steve) has anyone documented what does work and what doesn't and a clear way around this problem of PDF accessibility. I suspect a lot has to do with the rendering source platform from my meager testing. Converting it to HTML is not always practical given the business based cost considerations for say 1000, 200 page documents. Gary Barber radharc radharc.com.au manwithnoblog.com Steve Green wrote: That document makes it sound so easy but there's s much it doesn't mention. We do heaps of accessible PDFs and have the scars to prove it. The manuals are incomplete, inaccurate and Acrobat Pro is very broken. Version 8 is so bad we uninstalled it and went back to version 7 because at least we know how to work around most of the bugs. snip Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, KerryA Sent: 10 May 2007 00:08 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question Jermayn asked: and Kerry, how do you make the pdf accessible??? There are some pointers here http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/pdfs/CreateAccessibleAdvanced.pdf Kerry (noting the accessibility is relative, not absolute - so probably I should have said more accessible) --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question
Yes, I think you will find if you look into it you will find that having no JavaScript does not equate to no screen reader. Depending on the the way you use the DOM and the the way you script obtrusive or unobtrusive (I hope the latter) and the object type there are documented instances where Screen readers cope with JavaScript just fine. Screen Readers are not JavaScript blind. However there are instances when it can lead to confusion. Also using a unobtrusive hijax method of JavaScript does not equal the old horror story popups. JavaScript can be used for good. The real under lying question here is the document flow. Usually a PDF or other media type document is seen as a take-away from the web and hence as an adjunct to the sites main document flow. Or when you get to the document that is a PDF its often the end of that information Branch. Often people may like to launch this in a separate window so they preserve the site document flow on screen with the navigation etc. The question (and this topic is constantly reoccurring) is do you let the viewer use the browser controls to launch a new tab or window or do you the designer decide to open it in a new window for them Gary Barber radharc radharc.com.au manwithnoblog.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't make up my mind whether you are agreeing with me here or disagreeing? The important point is that this type of script assumes that no JavaScript == screen reader which is patent nonsense. It also assumes that screen reader users are the only ones who might dislike pop-ups, which is even more ridiculous. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:35 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] wa state guidlines question The script can do much more than just adding the event. It can add a title attribute, plug an icon or even add some text within the anchor tags. That way the info about the behavior is plugged only if the behavior is available. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
