Re: [WSG] [CSS] IE6 header issue.

2004-03-20 Thread James Ellis
Nick Do you have a URL? Cheers James Nick Lo wrote: Hello all, Ok this is my first fully CSS based site * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to

Re: [WSG] mysterious space

2004-03-21 Thread James Ellis
Peter Sounds like a trip on the Magical Mystery Whitespace Tour (sponsored by Microsoft). I had this problem while back with a nested list, threw things at the screen in the end to try and fix it. Luckily calmness (counted to 32768 backwards) prevailed and I ended up rejigging the complete

Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread James Ellis
Hey Off the top of my head: # cc9900 = #c90 # cc8800 = #c80 # dd2255 = #d25 Just take the 1,3 5 characters of the string. If the 6 chr hex is not paired then this #e6dfe2 as #ede will be the same as #eeddee http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/syndata.html#color-units Cheers James theGrafixGuy wrote:

Re: [WSG] APC Article on Web Standards

2004-03-23 Thread James Ellis
Hi I wonder what the disabled would have to say about that. The very word disabled is a label stuck on people that a society deem to be deficient in some way, sourced from the term bad ability' - it's a disabling effect. I'd hate to be called a lever, it would be very disabling. And of course,

Re: [WSG] Drop Caps

2004-03-24 Thread James Ellis
Hi Use the :first-letter pseudo thingo to do this, but I doubt it works in Winternet Explorer (please prove me wrong). CSS2 Recommendation section 5.12.2 Cheers James Leo J. O'Campo wrote: Make a class that will position and size according to line height and then use a span element. That's

Re: [WSG] Suggestions about what to do here ...

2004-03-24 Thread James Ellis
Hi Michael With that OS someone could log into his computer and upgrade for him... :D Seriously, though, you do have three paths here : 1. Push IE6 2. Make it work in IE5. It may be simple, I have a feeling it is this : font-size : smaller; Try small as a starter. I've been tooling with body

Re: [WSG] Auto Width [Virus checkedAU]

2004-03-25 Thread James Ellis
Hi Remember, an inline element will collapse over linebreaks and cannot have block level elements inside it. Cheers James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi Sam, * The discussion list

Re: [WSG] Skip links and Accessibility Info Links

2004-03-27 Thread James Ellis
Hi Susan There's been a lot of talk here about skip links, recently I tried to use some of the information in a live beta of the new Sydney PHP Group site (http://sydney.ug.php.net). Basically I went for skip links that would be useful to all visitors I have tho' been looking at aural

Re: [WSG] What's wrong with this page??

2004-03-28 Thread James Ellis
Felix This looks to generated from Outlook Express - it hasn't been sent by a list member. (The guidelines http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm suggest that everyone uses plain text to send email.) You may also be having some trouble rendering the messages with the mail client

Re: [WSG] Thead closed : Safari 1 2 side-by-side? (a little OT)

2004-03-31 Thread James Ellis
Hi Justin Support for Safari would be more appropiate on a Mac users list. Posts about how Safari supports the relevant standards are ok. Cheers James Justin French wrote: Just upgraded to OS X 10.3 from 10.2 last night, and whilst some of the new features in Safari are nice, I still need the

Re: [WSG]Tables or DIVs / Spans?

2004-04-02 Thread James Ellis
Hi James The legend tag is most useful for grouping fieldset sections of forms, the label tag describes only one input element. I've put this to use on sydney.ug.php.net form fieldset legend/legend labelinput //label /fieldset fieldset legend/legend labelinput //label labelinput //label

Re: [WSG] Flow from bottom?

2004-04-03 Thread James Ellis
HI Sam Do you have a URL? Maybe there is another way to do this that could be helped along with something visual. Cheers James Sam Walker wrote: Yes, I notice that now that I try it with more content. Perhaps there' another way without so many problems? On Apr 3, 2004, at 6:23 PM, Tim Shortt

[WSG] default browser stylesheets

2004-04-07 Thread James Ellis
Hi all In a few threads here it's been mentioned there are three types of stylesheets: 1. User 2. Author 3. Browser If you are interested in the third one then you should delve into the /res/ directory of Firefox to have a look at how the default rendering style is set up for that browser

Re: [WSG] bar graph with html 4.01 strict + css

2004-04-07 Thread James Ellis
Adam I've done this for our users - both a stacked horizontal bar graph and stacked vertical bar graph. It works across *all* useful browsers (including IE5+) funnily enough and is very simple to do. To see it and the markup you'll have to join up with SpamTrap as it's not in a public area.

[WSG] Guidelines reminder - attachments/caps

2004-04-08 Thread James Ellis
Hi all Just a quick reminder that the guidelines for the list are at http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm - one of these includes a no attachments policy. If you want to send a screenshot to someone please do it off list - I'm pretty sure Peter doesn't want to send out a 345 kb

Re: [WSG] Valid Flash...

2004-04-13 Thread James Ellis
Hi Looking at the code (from source URL below) object classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-44455354 codebase=http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0; width=300 height=120 param name=movie

Re: [WSG] Valid Flash...

2004-04-13 Thread James Ellis
scott parsons wrote: For some things the lack of streaming can be very restrictive as there are several things you cannot do with a loaded movie. Sure modularising the movie is a good plan, but there are times that you need access to that root level of the movie. Not that this is a Flash

Re: [WSG] Valid Flash...

2004-04-13 Thread James Ellis
support object? [3] or just use Drew Mclellan's solution? Also I ask the same confirmation question as P. Leo On Tuesday, April 13, 2004, at 07:43 AM, James Ellis wrote: Hi Looking at the code (from source URL below) object classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-44455354

Re: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design

2004-04-20 Thread James Ellis
Nice one It's great to see such a large site being discussed openly on the list. Other than what has been discussed, the only I thing I can see is the markup: p class=standardsNote strongNote:/strong You are reading this message either because you can not see our css files, or because you do

Re: [WSG] Attribute wrap not allowed in text areas

2004-04-20 Thread James Ellis
Umm off the top of my head you could try overflow : auto; HTH Cheers James theGrafixGuy wrote: What is the recommended replacement when using a textarea? Thanks Brian * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Help in web-standards Flash insert code

2004-04-20 Thread James Ellis
Andy Some links: (not meaning to beat my drum, but..) http://www.sitepoint.com/articlelist/300 and... http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ and... http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1 HTH James Andy Clarke wrote: Comrades It's not very often I fire up Flash, but today has

Re: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design

2004-04-20 Thread James Ellis
Yeah, taxidermy's the best option for them ... the NS4 people who have raised your site is broken with me upgraded to Net 7. Ooh it works. That said, I did have a user complain that the site was slow on their 2.4 kb modem the other day, truly. I thought about buying a 56k modem for them.

Re: [WSG] Submit Buttons - dont fall in with other input elements...

2004-04-23 Thread James Ellis
Chris It's just the way the browser's put together their widgets - try to do the most minimal styling on widgets anyway, take a look at Safari, or input type=file and you'll see what I mean :D There's no such thing as pixel perfect on the web, unless your page is a bitmap. Cheers James Chris

Re: [WSG] Org Charts

2004-04-23 Thread James Ellis
Hi all I have no idea what an Org chart is but I guess we are talking about graphing or tree views of some sort. I've done some cool stacked bar graphs in CSS with inline style - but I provide a plain text version as well (given that I use red and green on the bars). Peter F's question asked

Re: [WSG] EMBED tag

2004-05-11 Thread James Ellis
Simon Yes, but comments are for comments and not code. If we start putting comments in to a script/markup that start to look like code to another piece of software we'll have to stop using comments. Just another piece of Microsoft stupidity to break the distinction between code and comments.

Re: [WSG] Forms, labels headers

2004-05-11 Thread James Ellis
1. I have a multi-column layout... when I psuh the site to a layout for handheld I'll turn off the floats that handle the columns. The content will then cascade down the page. This will involve adding a new stylesheet and linking to it via a media attr, a user agent sniff or a hyperlink for

[WSG] Application of Web standards in real life

2004-05-12 Thread James Ellis
degree of cross browser compatibility, ill do my best to convince them but in the end its their choice -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy James Ellis wrote: 1. I have a multi-column layout... when I psuh the site to a layout for handheld I'll turn off the floats

[WSG] Application of web standards in real life (new thread)

2004-05-12 Thread James Ellis
to go the Nth degree of cross browser compatibility, ill do my best to convince them but in the end its their choice -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy James Ellis wrote: 1. I have a multi-column layout... when I psuh the site to a layout for handheld I'll turn

Re: [WSG] Application of web standards in real life (new thread)

2004-05-13 Thread James Ellis
some clients are not willing for you to go the Nth degree of cross browser compatibility, ill do my best to convince them but in the end its their choice -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy James Ellis wrote: 1. I have a multi-column layout... when I psuh

Re: [WSG] standards compliant .NET modules

2004-05-13 Thread James Ellis
Hi Surely a .net developer can write their own function to output compliant markup? seems strange that a language forces someone to use inbuilt modules. Cheers James SomeNewKid wrote: The ASP.NET framework does not produce standards compliant XHTML. Hence, no off-the-shelf forum component for

Re: [WSG] Re: Site Review and IE5 issue

2004-05-14 Thread James Ellis
IE 5 Mac or Windows? Cheers James Alan Milnes wrote: I'll agree on the W3C icons. A grey or blue would be a better fit for the site. Also need to specify a style for the hover on those images, ridding them of the back background. Thanks. I have now downloaded the old IE Browsers and

Re: [WSG] Forms, labels headers

2004-05-08 Thread James Ellis
Bert Works for me in Mozilla 1.7 and Firefox. My OS is Fedora. As for tables, use them for tabular data, not presentation. cells can't exist outside their tables - boxes can be placed anywhere on the page allowing you to completely separate the presentation logic from the content. Try picking

Re: [WSG] Removing bullets

2004-05-06 Thread James Ellis
ul { list-style-type : none } Cheers James simon wrote: Hi guys ,, I have contructed this navigation bar -- http://simondodson.com/nav2.html and im having trouble removing the bullet points from the list ... any help would be great !!!. Cheers Simon Dodson

[WSG] hiding styles from Mac IE5 : how to?

2004-05-14 Thread James Ellis
Hi all Having some problems with a site that is crashing IE5 on the Mac (OS8 to X). The code is moving towards HTML4 compliance with only a few character errors, tag ends i.e instead of /' , and one id clash left to fix. I tested the site and it works perfectly on : IE5.5, 6 for Windows.

Re: [WSG] Org Charts

2004-04-29 Thread James Ellis
Geoff Given that, from what I've seen of SVG, it's markup based - so I'm assuming that one could apply some XSLT to it and create a plain text version of it for those who can't navigate a SWF. The same thing could be done with Flash if you were to pull the data from an external data source -

[WSG] evangelism : Icon article (Sydney Morning Herald) promoting the modern browser

2004-05-01 Thread James Ellis
Hi all Great to see an article in this weekend's Icon promoting the modern browser, with a few salient words about our popular friend. Link http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/30/1083224574998.html This thread is not a discussion on browser merits but is about promoting the tools that

Re: [WSG] Australian Communications Authority

2004-05-02 Thread James Ellis
Hi Following on from this, it's the kind of thing a Web Standards Group whitepaper could help with - drawing on everyone's collective knowledge. ..or a press release... coming after the Australian Gov's $4 million IT dept website fiasco last year, it may be picked up by a few outlets. Ideas?

[WSG] evangelism : Icon article (Sydney Morning Herald) promoting the modern browser

2004-05-02 Thread James Ellis
Hi all Great to see an article in this weekend's Icon promoting the modern browser, with a few salient words about our popular friend. Link http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/30/1083224574998.html This thread is not a discussion on browser merits but is about promoting the tools that

Re: [WSG] hiding styles from Mac IE5 : how to?

2004-05-16 Thread James Ellis
Kay Smoljak wrote: James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: That said, I *will* try, as it is the only useful browser for OS8 - 9, apart from Mozilla 1.0x from 2002. I convinced a client on OS9 to upgrade from Netscape 4(!) to Netscape 7. I had to hunt for it - the very latest version of Netscape

Re: [WSG] Looking for feedback

2004-04-28 Thread James Ellis
Nancy Netscape7 is Mozilla, they are one and the same thing as they use the same rendering engine (as do Firefox and Camino, the beta standalone browsers) - you can safely incorporate the two into one group. Cheers James Nancy Johnson wrote: Dear Andy, Side note question. What is a browsercam

Re: [WSG] my second simple css question

2004-04-28 Thread James Ellis
Paul Do you have a picture or URL? Then we can grok it in fullness. Cheers James Paul Ingraham wrote: Okay, you guys made good short work of my first simple css question, and it was a great introduction to this list. Thank you all. Now it's time for another! I want a sidebar, and I've created

Re: [WSG] back to basics

2004-05-17 Thread James Ellis
Justin French wrote: My first reaction (after years of PHP scripting) was to escape it with a slash: input type='text' name='surname' value='O\'Riley' / -- doesn't work. Adding to this - try htmlspecialchars() in PHP with ENT_QUOTES set - this will special character all the XML reserved

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread James Ellis
Hi Todino Welcome to the list. Yes, it is far better to do validation on the server side because, with JS turned off, you don't get any form validation. Regarding the button to do the job, an input type=submit or input type=image will do the job for you. Remember: 1. When you submit an image

Re: [WSG] hiding styles from Mac IE5 : fixed

2004-05-18 Thread James Ellis
of the containing box width. Have hidden this from IE5 Mac. Site is at http://my.spamtrap.net.au/ - minor markup furphy in the login form stopping validation but that is fixed for next version already. feedback welcome (off list if it strays from the topic). Cheers James James Ellis wrote: Hi

Re: [WSG] should I track down this problem?

2004-05-20 Thread James Ellis
Peter See my thread the other day I tried this and it works fine. #box { float : none - style for every browser /* hack for IE5 mac \*/ float : left - for every browser bar IE5 mac (allows hiding styles from IE5 Mac) /* end hack */ } So I guess you could do that around your whole stylesheet

Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash

2004-06-02 Thread James Ellis
Neerav I think you have to look at a bigger issue here... is the time spent on getting a page to work in IE4 actually worth the effort? Users of IE4 have an upgrade path to a better browser - the time spent assisting these users to follow an upgrade path is more worthwhile than attempting to

Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread James Ellis
Hello all I have started a new category on the WSG site call Development and design tools. I think at this point it would be a good idea for everyone to login and start listing all these programs on the WSG website so that we can refer to these in the future, without having to navigate thru a

Re: [WSG] NS6 indiscrepancies

2004-06-07 Thread James Ellis
Hi Netscape 6 is not a stable browser, it's built off Mozilla alpha code (i.e about 0.9) (v7 is a branch off Mozilla 1.1, I believe). There is a thread on this topic about a month or two back with some links to the Mozilla roadmap - try a search at mail-archive.com The 6 was put in for

Re: [WSG] Which *free* editors do you guys recommend?

2004-06-07 Thread James Ellis
Hi As I posted before, let's put these up on the WSG website, not on the list. An archive would contribute better to the group and are the posts are now tending to just take up bandwidth now on the list as we are just getting a pile of emails with links in them. Cheers James Jad Madi wrote:

ADMIN thread closed Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-08 Thread James Ellis
This thread is now closed. Please put up your editors on the WSG website in the category provided. I've provided instructions on how to do this in a previous post. regards James Michael Donnermeyer wrote: On the Macs I usually use either Dreamweaver MX 2004 (code view) or BBEdit 7.1 for all my

Re: [WSG] applying styles to legend

2004-06-09 Thread James Ellis
Heh.. I banged my head against the wall about this for while, then gave up and went with the flow which got the application into production sooner. Is an IE user going to be simultaneously viewing the same page in Firefox or Mozilla or Opera? Bet you it's only web developers. Wait till you see

Re: [WSG] How to Make Your Web Site Work with Windows XP Service Pack 2

2004-06-09 Thread James Ellis
Hi all This would be better discussed on a place like the Sitepoint.com forums, as it's about general web development. Having a discussion about where you have sent screenshots is not for the list, it's for the person you sent the screenshots to. Cheers James

Re: [WSG] standard compatible richtext editor?

2004-06-12 Thread James Ellis
Hi Alex Try our resources section, you can add any editors you wish by logging in. http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resourcecat30.cfm Cheers James alex 'fanatique' thomas wrote: Hello everybody, wow. second posting today but this one is more general. i'm looking for a webstandard compatible

Re: [WSG] file extensions

2004-06-13 Thread James Ellis
Hi The portability of URI's is an important point here: as discussed, if a web developer wants to move from X to Y server side language yet retain the URL stucture then this is the way to go, in Apache it's just a simple matter of telling it how to handle certain extension-less files. That

Re: [WSG] Very odd behaviour on IE5 Mac. Any ideas?

2004-06-15 Thread James Ellis
Hi Try hiding the CSS from this magnificent piece of software by using the \*/ hack as outlined elsewhere in a thread here (try mail-archive.com) - it's called the backslash hack, It's the only hack I've employed as users on OS 8 and 9 have no upgrade path. Does tend to bloat the CSS a tad as

Re: [WSG] IE4 /Win

2004-06-16 Thread James Ellis
Hanni My opinion is don't bother, it's not worth the effort. Users still with this browser should be pushed to upgrade for various reasons, not just for the benefits of standards support they bring. Any user who approaches me complaining about a site that doesn't work in IE4, NN4, Opera 5 or

Thread closed : Re: [WSG] FireFox 0.9 is out

2004-06-17 Thread James Ellis
People, Discussion of installation of Firefox is for http://www.mozillazine.org, rather than here. Discussion of browser support for your pages is fine. If you'd like to put the Web Developer extension (and similar) up on the wsg site resources section then go for it. Cheers James

Re: [WSG] Recommended Books

2004-06-22 Thread James Ellis
Hi all To not lose these examples in a thread somewhere I have set up a resource category on the website. As with code editors, please put your recommended books up on the site in the category Offline resources (books, magazines etc) We can then refer back to this listing if the topic comes up

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread James Ellis
John Whenever I've been forced to test IE5 Mac I've found it to be unreasonably slow - the rendering engine is a dud compared to other browsers. I'm sure it was cutting edge 3-5 years ago but not now. Safari is much faster and better but it tends to have a pretty fierce cache (like Opera), as I

Re: [WSG] PDA Viewer

2004-07-03 Thread James Ellis
Hi Gecko based browsers have an extension called Small Screen Rendering. Again, like the Opera SS rendering option it just passes the page through a special stylesheet to emulate the screen res. It doesn't emulate the various quirks of various handheld User Agents.

Re: [WSG] Tags for file names

2004-07-04 Thread James Ellis
Peter - The code tag is HTML 4, and represents 'computer code'- http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/phrase/code.html Quote: The *CODE* element denotes /computer code/. Visual browsers typically render *CODE* as monospaced text, but authors can suggest a rendering using style sheets

Re: [WSG] entities bug in camino

2004-07-05 Thread James Ellis
Marc Camino, like Firefox, is a beta release so it's going to have bugs in it. You should lodge these bugs at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/, rather than here and you'll get noticed by the Camino development team. HTH James Marc Greenstock wrote: Hi all, I hope this isn't too OT but I have

CLOSED Re: [WSG] Styling Text... (Andy Budd Accessibility Quiz)

2004-07-05 Thread James Ellis
Hi all WCAG is on topic -please discuss all you want, but address the topic, not the person. The list is here to provide a constructive discussion on web standards and accessibility. If you want to be destructive or have a beef with the author, don't do it here as your subscription will be

Re: [WSG] HELP REQUEST: netscape float:absolute problem

2004-07-09 Thread James Ellis
Hi Scott Which version of Netscape..? This is important as with Netscape 4 you are better off hiding the stylesheet. Netscape 6 is/was a dud so better off pressing for an upgrade for the 1 % of users who use it. If you are targeting Netscape 7 then the problem *should* (touch wood) manifest

Re: [WSG] Frameworks of Design for Easy Reuse and Change in CSS

2004-07-11 Thread James Ellis
Hi I do just this for a reseller based product. One set of markup styled with CSS based on the client's 'look n feel' requirements. All done with floats and works off the bat with all modern browsers and some older ones like IE5.x for both platforms. It took me a while to do it but once done I

Re: [WSG] Good radio station sites?

2004-07-14 Thread James Ellis
Hi I'd be interested in John Horner's comments on this, as he's a member of this list. Given the ABC is a government organisation shouldn't they really be fulfilling some requirements of the DDA? I'd have thought making the feature image (Chris and Craig at the mo) a non background image would

Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread James Ellis
Gavin, Scott. Try doing this: http://www.webqs.com/experiment.php?id=15 apologies for the link links. I stopped working on my site ages ago due to other work commitments. I'm sure you can tweak it to output a markup page based on the insert method name here method. Currently it allows you to

Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread James Ellis
Hi Ted, all Title attributes don't have to pop up in a tooltip, that's up to the user agent. I'd suggest you do something like this... label for=arrivaldateYour arrival date at Hotel WSGlabel Also, user of fieldsets allow to you to control the appearance of different parts of a form: fieldset

Re: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-27 Thread James Ellis
Hi Ted I've steered clear of access keys as they cause some problems on Safari etc. After seeing a screen reader in action at a previous WSG meeting in Sydney there are some much better ways it has to directly access content on a page (e.g list links, list headings etc). Cheers James Ted Drake

Re: [WSG] Valid XHTML and Flash

2004-07-30 Thread James Ellis
Olajide Olaolorun wrote: I know that some other browsers like Firefox might not work without the embed code, * Olajide Firefox, Mozilla, Opera 7 et al actually support the object tag far better than Internet Explorer for Windows. It's a

Re: [WSG] safari display = konqueror display ?

2004-08-01 Thread James Ellis
Neerav It depends on the version of khtml you are running... and there will always be differences in the two, although slight. I believe Apple are putting back some good css and markup support into the khtml development project.. See : http://www.konqueror.org/developers/ and

Re: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread James Ellis
Hello Chris Glad to see you got what you are after and welcome to the WSG list. Please remember to post all code, including a valid doctype, to a site so we can use browsers to work out any quirks - email programs aren't the best at rendering code and introduce their own quirks into the mix.

Re: [WSG] Horizontal List in Mac IE

2004-08-05 Thread James Ellis
Jaime I guess you are having the problem where IE Mac doesn't float your list elements properly and they all go to 100% width down the page? I did this to solve the problem.. you need to float the anchor to the left as well.. it's the only hack I use: #menu ul li { float : left;

Re: [WSG] IE print bug crashes page

2004-08-11 Thread James Ellis
Gavin Do you have any code? Cheers James Gavin Cooney wrote: Hi all, I've got a page that when someone tries to print it in IE 6 on windows, it crashes the browser. There's nothing fancy in it, and i've stripped it down so i know the problem only happens when something is the second line of the

Re: [WSG] XP SP 2 - Thread Closed

2004-08-12 Thread James Ellis
Hi Unless there are some major benefits to Win IE's support of CSS (I doubt it but please prove me wrong), the Web Standards Group list isn't the best place to post information like this. Cheers James Chris Stratford wrote: Hey List, Just letting you know XP SP2 is out now. It says its not for

Re: [WSG] RE: Image replacement techniques for linked elements

2004-08-14 Thread James Ellis
Peter Ottery wrote: these are still linked. the actual (non graphic) heading is just using the technique [1] of making the font size 1px and white (so its not visible on a white page) leaving the background image visible. the link that contains the heading is given a width height and

Re: [WSG] Valid Flash state of play

2004-08-18 Thread James Ellis
Hi I have a feeling that the inconsistencies in valid xhtml markup for embedding (object) Flash were from general badness in the ActiveX used by Flash Player (somebody mentioned a corrupt OCX file on the Flash Satay discussion at ALA) and Internet Explorer having it's own version of the

Re: [WSG] Job Posting

2004-08-18 Thread James Ellis
Hi Marc, all Anyone interested in this, please reply off list. Thanks James Marc Greenstock wrote: I know it's not common for this list to hold job postings although we are really desperate to find someone here. From: http://jobs.careerone.com.au/search/dsp_show_job.cfm?AD_ID=1235550 Shock Media

Re: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor

2004-08-23 Thread James Ellis
Hi Sarah You could try this project at Mozdev.org - it's cross browser/platform (Mac, Linux, Win32 - anything that runs Mozilla). http://mozile.mozdev.org/ I had a go at it a few months ago, not sure how it would integrate with a data store. Probably just a matter of POSTing content to a server

Re: [WSG] accessible audio-visual content

2004-09-10 Thread James Ellis
One quick question about Quicktime - my colleague said Quicktime is a Bad Idea because the file sizes are big and it doesn't have a big installed base... is this a good enough reason not to use it? Vicki That's an opinion from a distinctly Windows perspective. It would be interesting to see

CLOSED Re: [WSG] My Favorite XHTML/CSS/JavaScript/PHP Editor - NO WYSIWYG

2004-09-19 Thread James Ellis
Hi all This has been discussed ad nauseam previously on the list. Their is a resource category on the site created just for this topic so that all members can have quick access to available editors and add new ones. http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat30 Please feel free to log in at the

Re: [WSG] Footer stuff

2004-09-19 Thread James Ellis
Amit It's a list of information for the user. You can use floats to turn on/off horizontal/vertical display of the list. You'll have much more control over the list display than with a br Also, you should move the pipes within an li tag or use the li or a border to act as the delimiter so a

[WSG] Tidy extension for Firefox

2004-09-20 Thread James Ellis
Hi all Just a heads up for all of you trying to move to standards compliant, accessible code - there's a new extension at Mozilla update called HTML validator with Tidy. This gets triggered when you view the source of a page in Firefox, reporting errors and there is an option to Tidy your page

Re: [WSG] Problem withnested div not displaying javascript driven content

2004-09-21 Thread James Ellis
Suzanne As a guide, and this has helped others in the past with the same problems: 1. Develop for a standards compliant browser such as Mozilla or Opera 7, then make the necessary tweaks to get IE playing nice. 2. Make sure your CSS and HTML is compliant by validating at the w3c 3. Post some

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread James Ellis
David McKinnon wrote: I've used Ian Hixie's method, because it seems to be the least problematic. David One of the central tenets of good coding is that comments are for comments, code is for code. It's bad practice to put code into comments. Comments should not be interpreted by any software,

Re: [WSG] screen resolution and standards

2004-09-25 Thread James Ellis
Mordechai Peller wrote: Lea de Groot wrote: Yes, speculation is useless. One of my clients, for the month of August shows the follow figures in their logs: Count | % of screen used by window snip / Interesting, but you're missing a critical piece of data. Without knowing what their

Closed - Re: [WSG] Mac Tools Kit for... [ADMIN]

2004-10-11 Thread James Ellis
Hi all As per Russ' request this thread is now closed. There is a category for development and design tools on the WSG website which as WSG members you are all welcome to use and update. This thread is being closed because it has been discussed at least three times already in pretty lengthy

Re: [WSG] Div Away The Day

2004-10-12 Thread James Ellis
Chris That's true if you look at it from a rigid grid layout point of view. In this case the programs aren't tabular data, additionally if you wanted to represent the 4 programs in another visual format using css only then this wouldn't be possible with a table layout. My suggestion would be

[WSG] Mac IE5 double character weirdness

2004-09-27 Thread James Ellis
Hi Looks like it's Mac IE 5 day today... Has anyone experienced this before? Mac IE 5.x user hits a page with a login form. When they tab to the form field and type in their details two characters appear for every one typed. If the user clicks in the field with their mouse the problem goes away.

Re: [WSG] Zeroing default padding/margin

2004-10-17 Thread James Ellis
Not sure about the * declaration but the 11 browsers intrigues me? What joe bloggs user out there looks at a website in 11 browsers? Broken to us in Netscape 4 might mean works fine to the Netscape 4 user. If one browser gives me 2px padding and another gives me 1px then I'm not fussed as long

Re: [WSG] should you refuse to support IE?

2004-10-18 Thread James Ellis
Mark There are quite a few articles now in the mainstream media that expose the Skoda like qualities of IE, maybe you should link to these? Sydney Morning Herald ICON section quite regularly rates Opera and Moz as the best available. PC User Australia had a big article Why you shouldn't use IE

CLOSED Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion

2004-10-22 Thread James Ellis
Offlist please, this has nothing do with the implementation of web standards. Mozilla vs * discussions are best left for places like mozillazine.org. Don't request to keep things like this on the list or your account will be unsubscribed - that's not a threat, we are just trying to keep this

Re: [WSG] Mac IE5 double character weirdness

2004-11-01 Thread James Ellis
is the 'value=' attribute, so maybe try adding that to the password field and see if it makes any difference. Kevin On 28/9/04 1:17 PM, James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone experienced this before? Mac IE 5.x user hits a page with a login form. When they tab to the form

Closed : Re: [WSG] Sorry about the off-topic message but...

2004-11-04 Thread James Ellis
Iain You should direct your enquiry to the admins of that list. It's not relevant to this list. Regards James (admin) On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:24:14 +, Iain Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that some people here will also be members of the Webaim Discussion List. Well, I am - but

Re: [WSG] Up and down arrows using HTML entities

2004-11-07 Thread James Ellis
Hi I use #9660; and #9650; as solid up/down arrows, works in everything I can lay my hands on apart from a Palm handheld which renders a [?] character or similar. I wrap them in a span and set their font-size to ~ 150% in CSS. There are some unicode links on the WSG resource section. Cheers

Re: [WSG] Web standards, HTML email and Hotmail

2004-11-10 Thread James Ellis
Hi Ian Webmail services have to be very strict about the HTML they display in their pages. Basically a webmail service can be an attack vector for all kinds of nasties - the actual box that displays the email contains code unknown to the developers when they develop the site. You may also find

CLOSED Re: [WSG CORE] [WSG] why oh why

2004-11-23 Thread James Ellis
Hi all We've probably hit the nail on the head with this one, no more responses to the list please as it's starting to move towards noise and me-too responses. How to's on handling mime types on servers should be directed to discussion lists for that software

CLOSED Re: [WSG] 88x31 WSG Buttons?

2004-11-24 Thread James Ellis
Admin cleanup: Peter Tilbrook wrote: [request for a 88x31px WSG button] Get. A. Life. This user has been removed. Do not do this on the list. -- Hi WSG mini icons designed by Ben Bishop (and many other resources) are found at http://webstandardsgroup.org/icon/ This thread has now

Re: [WSG] Includes in XHTML

2004-11-28 Thread James Ellis
Hi Jonathon I suggest one or more of the following three options: 1 running the markup through Tidy - http://au.php.net/tidy (You'll have to compile PHP with Tidy - more at link above). 2 using an HTML4.0 transitional doctype for the pages that display 3rd party markup. 3 use strip_tags to

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver : was [ Standards Macromedia Contribute]

2004-12-15 Thread James Ellis
Hi all This is a good discussion, lets try and keep it on how to apply the mentioned software to create standards compliant content rather than a rundown of its various features and comparison to other software. Cheers James admin On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 13:41:42 +1100, Natalie Buxton

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