Re: [WSG] My Site
Anthony, Do not get discouraged. Designing semantically correct, accessible, and valid sites is not easy. Transitioning to standards compliant design is a long frustrating road, but it is well worth the pain. There are many that can forget the journey that we all traveled to get where we are today. A good working knowledge of CSS and XHTML takes time and a lot of hair loss (so invest in a wig or a stress ball now). We all can take a moment in this holiday to remember 'our own journey' and be civil in our responses. Keep chugging along; shunt the negative words and absorb to constuctive criticism. It can seem like no effort was put into a site before submitting to the list if the css and XHTML does not validate. Some take great offense to that. Knowing what constitutes valid css and XHTML and CSS and how to test for it can be tricky There are many great resources on the WSG Resources section: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ Good luck! Keep up the work and journey. Jim -- __ Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com (Personal) www.freexenon.com (Consulting) __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Unordered list as Path won't wrap
Miles
Try this:
#breadcrumbs li {white-space:nowrap;}
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:25:28 +1030, Miles Tillinger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to represent the path as an unordered list, e.g.
Home Level One Level Two Level Three etc.
ul
liHome/li
liLevel One/li
liLevel Two/li
liLevel Three/li
lietc./li
/ul
However in situations where the path is extremely long the list will not
wrap and breaks my layout, so I've had to float the div so it will wrap.
This in turn causes problems with the title if the path information goes
beyond one line.
An example with a long path:
http://dev4.newstage.edna.edu.au/aictec/go/pid/128
CSS is at:
http://dev4.newstage.edna.edu.au/aictec/jsp/jahia/templates/aictecsite/d
efault/styles/aictec.css
Any suggestions of a better way to achieve this will be appreciated. I
am determined to keep it as a list!
Mt.
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Re: [WSG] Automated accessibility testers
Cole The real trick is to understand what the specification means and why it says what it says. There has always been disputes about the validity of an automated tester saying 'Yes this site is compliant'. You can code a terrible page that will pass an automated test. It is important to code in the spirit and intent of the specification and not necessarily to the word of the specification. Online validators are a tool to help you get there. I do use an automated tester, but not very often. I am familiar enough with the specs that I do not need to. As the page near completion I will run a validator to fix a few probs. I have friends in Iriga - visit Iriga Joe Motors. =)On 4/13/05, Cole Kuryakin - x7m [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Shane. I'll give it a look - Getting specific books from localbookstores here (in the philipines) can be a real challenge, but I'll see if I can source the one you've recommended.After you do a site (or during) do you validate your code against one ofthese Accessibility web sites I mentioned?Cole -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] base css
If you set the Body font size to 100.01% you can avoid the scaling issue in IE and some older versions of Opera, and be able to use font sizes less than 1em. Go towards the very bottom of this page - it has an explanation: http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=FAF76print=true -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Font Size Re-sizing
Mario,
/* use percentile on html to prevent IE from seemingly using a logrimthic increase and decrease
in font size when scaling (IE
Bug) and use 100.1% to prevent a bug in Opera, and then set your font
sizes in em's after that. Declare Body and Table Font size together to
compensate for an IE bug of Table not in heriting font info (I think) */
html {font-size:100.1%;}
body, table {font-size:1em;}
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Re: [WSG] Firefox Greyscale Extension
Marcel, Give this a spin: http://www.vischeck.com/vischeck/ JimOn 8/18/05, Zulema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Marcel Pociot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo zusammen! Ich suche nach einer Erweiterung für Firefox , die es ermöglicht eine Webseite in Graustufen anzeigen zu lassen. Im Bezug auf Barrierefreiheit ist die Darstellung der Farben in Grautönen mit ausreichendem Kontrast eine Prio 1. Allerdings ist es etwas umständlich von dem Bildschirm ständig Screenshots zu machen und diese in Grautöne umzuwandeln. Wenn es eine einfache Firefox-Plugin Lösunggeben würde, wär ich sehr erfreut. Google hat mir leider nicht weitergeholfen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Pociot Marcel Pociot | e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Xbyte GmbH | 40699 erkrath | trills 23 http://www.xbyte.de | tel.: 02104-138 49 30 | fax: 02104-138 49 34It's very interesting how this translates:---Hello together! I look for for an extension for Firefox, it makepossible a webpage in gray tones indicate to let. In the reference to barrier liberty the representation of the colors is in grey tones with sufficient contrast a Prio1. However it is to be constantly made somewhat pedantically from the screenScreenshots and converted these into grey tones. If it would give a simple Firefox Plugin to solution, more waer I much pleases. Google did not help meunfortunately.Yours sincerely,Marcel Pociot---Marcel, if I understand correctly, you are looking for a Firefoxextension that will remove all colors from a web page to render it in black and white. I donot believe there is such an extension. You may be able to use the WebDeveloper toolbar [1] to edit the CSS of a webpage and change the colors manually, but that will not be easy to do either compared to your currentprocess.[1] http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ hope that helps,Zulema· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Zulema Ortizwebdesignerfolio: http://zoblue.comblog: http://blog.zoblue.com browser: http://getfirefox.com· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **-- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work)www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting) __Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Projecthttp://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designershttp://www.gawds.org/
[WSG] User Centered Design seminars via Human Factors International
Greetings All, I am considering taking the User Centered Design seminars via Human Factors International in Chicago Illinois when it comes around here in September. Work will pay for it, so cost is not an issue. I am wondering if any of you have taken their seminars or know anything about them. I do not ant to waste my time or my company's money. I am curious if their training is worth the time and money? http://www.humanfactors.com/training/default.asp On a related note, they sponsor World Wide Usability Day on November 3, 2005. http://www.worldusabilityday.net/ You may reply to me off-list. =) Thanks in advance, Jim ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com
I think that the fix is 100.01% on the html element and the 1em (or what ever height) on body element. This prevents scaling issues in older versions of Opera and in Internet Explorer. I can try to find you references tomorrow. Looks great! On 9/20/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Budd wrote: I have to be honest and admit that I haven't come across that bug before. Did a bit of a search but couldn't find any details. Could you elaborate?Change the font-size in body, use 100.01% instead of 1em-- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work)www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Projecthttp://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designershttp://www.gawds.org/
[WSG] [Off Topic] Javascript Change Time Zone Offset for Date Object
Hey Guys, I am curious if you know of a way in Javascript to change the Time Zone Offset for Date Object. There is a way to getTimezoneOffset, but I do not see a way to set the Time Zone Offset. When you create a new Date object it will always be set to the current local time zone as defined on your computer. Please reply off-list. Thanks, Jim -- __ Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.com Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Help with menu
I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart's hybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works fine in Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite a long time. It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi! http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope Thanks guys,-- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com (Personal) www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Help with menu
Joseph: Interesting. Do you have something that I can reference for this? Thierry: I will take a look at that tonight. Thanks guys!On 11/15/05, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a reminder, at this point you cannot safely apply widths to any elements that have a border, padding or a margin.In the case you needto apply width adn one of the others mentioned, safest best is to inserta nested div/span with the padding applied etc to break it up. This has long since been a point of confusion for many people, and thissimple remedy (although in the long term not the best) proves mosteffective with todays browsers.Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.comThierry Koblentz wrote:James O'Neill wrote:I am having problems with a menu that is similar to the Alistapart'shybrid menu. I can not get the width to be consistantly even with the rest of the site and it is not workig in IE or Opera. It works finein Firebird. I have been beating my head against this for quite along time.It seems that absolutely positioned widths do not behave as I expect them. Oi!http://twitch.sharkpork.com/_work/Freedom/ Help me Obi-wan you are my only hope Did you give this one a try?http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/demo.asp It is a bit moe accessible. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Class
Stephan,
I do not know if it desprecated but if you want to use it you can add
the following to your CSS declarations:
body { margin-top; 200px; }
however you may want to go with
body { margin-top: 12em; }
so it scales with fluid designs (or use percentages).
Jim
On 11/25/05, Stephen Kortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am a bit confused about: style. Take the following statement: body
style=margin-top; 200px From my reading, I understand that this html
element, style has been deprecated. Is this true or have I misinterpreted
the information?
Second, how would I go about replacing this html version of style into a
proper CSS rule to use in my document?
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Re: [WSG] Layout Check Please
My only little comment is to either make the font size fo the nav bar a little bigger or to bold the text. The size of the font seems kind of hard to read verses the background.On 12/2/05, Patrick Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, I'm on a PC with Firefox 1.5, IE 6.0 and Opera 8.5. Everything looks okay so far, but I was hoping some of you mac / linux guys could take a peek at this layout please. http://sausalito.sitesbyjoe.com/default.as -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work)www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Abbreviations and Acronyms
As far as I am aware acronym is deprecated in XHTML 2.0 in favor of abbr? Here is an article on it from Lars Holst which dates back to 2003, but I think that it is still very relevant. http://larsholst.info/blog/index.php?p=14more=1#more14-- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work)www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Site Critic
Cheree ,One of the first things you will want to do is to validate your code. That will be of a tremedous help not only to your development process, but it will also go a long way towards getting more answers here. Validation is your friend!! You can pick up Chris Pedericks developer tool bar for Firefoxhttp://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/or something similar here for Internet Explorer: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038DisplayLang=en If you do not have the Firefox browser, get it! It is your best friend!http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/My BLog has a bunuch of links that may be of interes such as: http://www.alistapart.com/http://www.htmldog.com/http://www.w3schools.com/that can Super-Charge your standards development journey! Welcome to the list! =)JimOn 12/16/05, Boteler, Cheree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone: I was wondering if any of you would be willing to look at my new sites and critic them. Any comments would be great! Thanks! http://econdev.sierrapacific.com http://econdev.nevadapower.com Cheree Boteler Web Marketing Consultant Economic Development Sierra Pacific PowerCompany 6100 Neil Road Reno, NV 89501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (775) 834.3755 Fax: (775) 834.3384 -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work)www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Site Critic
Cheree, One of the first things I will say it looks like you might be writing this in MS Frontpage! You have a lot of inline javascipt: Your may want to take a look at Unobtrusive Javascript http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ Keeping your javascript in an external file will be more efficient and make it easier to maintain. Sierra Pacific Counties: This can be done in all CSS (AlistAPart has great examples).A CSS solution will be more search engine friendly and accessible. Nevada Industrial Parks sections: You can create this using headers and Paragraph tags instead of multiple br tags. This type of solution will be more semantically correct. h2 a href=industrialparks/index.htmNevada Industrial Parks/a/h2 pView a list of industrial parks within Nevada./p h2a href=taxes.htmNevada Taxes/Incentives/ah2 pThe incentives of doing business in Nevada are expansive. Nevada boasts one of the most liberal tax structures in the nation and from a tax-planning perspective, the return on investment in the form of tax saving dollars can be enormous. Explore the numerous advantages of doing business in Nevada./p h2a href=documents/overview.pdfNorthern Nevada Overview/a/h2 . Contact Info Section: A similar solution of using headers would be good and more semantically correct. Also a definition list would be a good set of tags to use here for the pictures and associated information. h2CONTACT INFO/h2 dl dta href=about.htm#simsimg src=images/grant.gif alt=Grant Sims align=left border=0 height=57 width=45Grant Sims/a/dt ddManagerbr 775.834.5742br a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a/p /dd dta href=about.htm#woodringimg src=images/brad.gif alt=Brad Woodring align=right border=0 height=57 width=48Brad Woodring/adt ddExecutivebr 775.834.3716br a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a/p /dd /dl I will not go into the multiple h1 issue. Some believe that there should only be one H1 per page, like me, and the rest believe that it is OK! The specification sure does not help. My opinion is that there should only be one h1 per page, take it for what it is worth. =) Just some thoughts to get you going! Similar things can be said of the other site as well! Good luck, Jim! -- __ Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.freexenon.com (Consulting) www.arionshome.com (Personal) __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.com Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Re: Setting Up Font Sizes
100.01% on body and then em's for the rest This prevents scaling issues with IE and older versions of Operahttp://www.freexenon.com/2005/10/css-fonts-and-font-sizing.html -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow
I haven't looked at the code but overflow:hidden wil give you the effect you are looking for!On 12/21/05, Barrie North [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a fluid layout and for the life of me can't get the image to be "cropped" as the screen adjusts.Here is the link: http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/ If you resize the window the image will stay on top. I have played with z-index, overflow:hidden. I can't for the life of me get this to work. Anyone fancy jumping in and pointing out the obvious thing I am missing J ? Barrie North -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work)www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Site Check - ShetlandCoffee.com
Three validation issues that are easy to fix http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http://www.shetlandcoffee.com/site/index.cfm The CSS validates! There are some alignment issues as other have mentioned. The colored stripe in background seems to be too low or the content too hight??Jim On 1/11/06, David Nicol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'd appreciate it very much if you could take a quick look at: http://www.shetlandcoffee.com/ All comments welcome. In particular, please let me know if you spot anything that I'd need to fix before my client begins to promote the site. Thank you in advance. Kind regards David Nicol www.nbcommunication.com -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work) www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice
I as well.
This is the default for my stylesheets
html {font-size:100.01%;}
body, table {font-size:1em; }
http://www.freexenon.com/2005/10/css-fonts-and-font-sizing.html
Jim
On 2/22/06, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/20/06 5:14 AM, Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I read a lot of threads about font-sizing lately, but I still did
not catch the point of best practice yet.
Not to beat an already beaten, kicked, poked, piddled-on very dead horse,
but I didn't see an actual answer to this post. Is there a font-size best
practice? Did a majority here agree on anything?
(FWIW, I use 100.01% on the body, and size other things - if needed - with
ems)
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Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice
Tom,
Body or HTML it doesn't really matter as it will cascade down to
everything else. I set the Percent on the Root Element and then the EM
on the Body just so that the EM font size is set as the default
everywhere vice the Percent.
Later on in what I refer to as the Core Style sheet I set every font
size that is not 1 EM to whatever I want it to be, as you have shown.
It might save you from setting all of the elements that you would like
to 1 EM, but the 100.01% will work fine. I just prefer everything to
be in EM's for consistency.
Jim
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Is there a benefit to the above, as opposed to just:
body{font:100.01% (font family)}
followed by whatever needed additional sizing, like
h2{font-size:1.2em;}
for example?
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Re: [WSG] making tables/rows/cells in IE lose their tableness via CSS
I've tried this too, with no luck in IE. I was able to get FF and Opera to play well. =( On 4/16/07, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just at the beginning of a little experimentation, and already IE stumps me. Basically, trying to use a table in markup but hide one column and make the other fall apart into individual inline cells. Try as I might, though, IE doesn't seem to lose its desire to show the cells as a table. Any thoughts? http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/archives/tagcloud_table/index.html P -- Patrick H. Lauke *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Javascript based ASP Form Mail script?
Greetings all, Does anyone know of a solid and robust Javascript based ASP Form Mail script that outputs a compliant confirmation email as well? Thanx *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript based ASP Form Mail script?
I work for a small county government and we own and manage our own servers. CDONT's is easy for us to implement right now. We are in the process of looking for a CMS and that will hopefully handle it once we get there. Jim . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Employment Opportunity: Small County Government Site in Drupal
Greetings all, *I posted the following on the Drupal Forums and I will post it here as well for your consideration:* Currently, we are working towards bids for a full site developed, including back-end database work and, potentially, custom mods and content types. I have a page layout and design already coded up and that can be used as a very strong base to work from, so most of that work is already done. We would need that turned into a theme and spruced up a bit. Perhaps some graphics work can be done as well as other suggestions that you may have. First, I would like parties that are interested to please email their interest (off list) along with samples of their work. The first criteria for acceptance is web standards. If you or your company produces valid and semantic code with Drupal I would like to see that as a start for consideration. If your samples are not perfect but you have reasons please post that as well and that will be taken into consideration. Later on, once we have more specifics figured out, I will post what work and features are going to be our required and what will be on our wish list. My previous post will give you an idea as to what we are looking for: http://drupal.org/node/235342 Our site is currently: http://www.co.sauk.wi.us. Thank you for your time and patience all, Jim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?
Greetings all, I am in the process of working with a developer on a Drupal project and I was wondering if there was any Standards Compliant and/or Semantically Correct widgets for Drupal out there... specifically for dropdown navigation (which is a primary concern of mine) or other things... I am a bit paranoid about general widget code quality since Web Standards developers are the exception, so I am assume that so are the the people that make OS CMS widgets. Perhaps the fact that we are working with OSS that the code quality will be better. A bit naive perhaps, but there you go. Thanks, Jim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?
Susan, That give me an idea. I am just starting to learn PHP and Drupal so making changes on my own will be fun. I am looking forward to tacking some. Thanks, Jim I am currently working on a large Drupal project using lots of modules. I have created my own Theme that is 508 compliant (and semantic) that I use to start with - headers, footers, content area titles, main site navigation that is based off the Garland theme.No problem there. Each module though that I work with I asses the code and then make modifications to the base files if necessary to be compliant, and most times it is necessary, though sometimes its only a couple of little things. It's not hard to do, but later upgrades are going to be a b--- so I document every change hopefully to make it easier later on. It also depends on what Ajax functionality you choose to use, or not use. The more you use, the less compliant it becomes. This is all so simplistic, don't know if any of it will help you. -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Site Review: www.ItsAllaboutYou-studio.com
Greetings everyone, I just published this site: www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com for my our Yoga Studio to-be and I am curious for a critique. Someone else came up with the design and I hand-coded this in Dreamweaver. Tonight I will be applying Dean Edward's IE7/8, so, hopefully I can get rid of some of those CSS hacks. =) It is still a little bit rough it will work for now... I am also having someone put this up on Wordpress or Drupal. Let me know what you think... This is the first critique I have asked for... I would love to hear any questions, comments, suggestions, or improvements. *hides in a corner* Thanks all, Jim __ All for one and one for all. www.ArionsHome.com (Persona BLog) www.FreeXenon.com (Web Site Consulting) www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com (Our Yoga Studio) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Alan, Font size: hmmm I use the the '100.01% on the body and them 1em on body/table' settings... What resolution are you using? Image Gallery: Thanks. The CSS for the image gallery was somehow deleted during all of the editing. That is fixed now. Thank you for noticing. Images: Hopefully in the next week or so we will be looking adding images to spruce up the site a bit. New Stuff: I have implemented Dean Edwards IE7 script and have the print and handheld style sheets (only tested under Opera small-screen) done. Thank you for your time guys.. Certainly there must be more... =) Jim __ All for one and one for all. www.ArionsHome.com (Persona BLog) www.FreeXenon.com (Web Site Consulting) www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com (Our Yoga Studio) On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:26, Alan C Whiteman acwhite...@visualis.uswrote: Alan C. Whiteman Visualis Web Design http://visualis.us (562) 305-2862 ___ Your site looks fine in Firefox 3 under Linux. The font could be a tad smaller and then fill extra white space with decorative images. In the Locations page, the images at the bottom may be better arranged to show side by side. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Site Review: www.ItsAllaboutYou-studio.com
Henrik, Thank you for your feed back. I am working on those now. =) The little globe is used to indicate links to external sites. Perhaps another icon would indicate this better? What would you suggest for the link colors. I prefer colors that make the links stand our and not blend into the rest of the site... The colors that you see current are a part of the default style sheet that I use and year should probably be changed. Thank you, Jim On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:22, Henrik Madsen hen...@igenerator.com.auwrote: Hi Jim, A couple of cents from downunder (in FF3, Camino, Safari / Mac). 1) The main horizontal menu bar breaks thru the blue border on the right 2) Maybe the drop menu would look better with a matching background image on the main category, rather than a solid blue block 3) I'd have contact us link / details prominent 4) Suggest font size is decreased and leading increased 5) Increase padding around footer content 6) Link text colour is a bit 'electric' blue (and the green, on hover, doesn't seem to associate with any other colour on the site) 7) What's that little globe about? 8) Purely personal view: everything looks a bit 'tabloid' busy and cluttered, which to me is kind of juxtaposed with the yoga vibe. 1) above should help to open up the layout but perhaps less use of bold (potentially even a font change to something less cold) will deliver a purer, classier, more whitespace, overall feel? Like I said, my 2c. Henrik *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript
Our small county site has about 297k visitors last year and about 1.9% (5,700) had Javascript disabled according to SuperStats. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 14:33, Jessica Enders jess...@formulate.com.auwrote: Hi Pascal In the JavaScript/Accessibility/form validation discussion you mention the growing number of users who purposefully disable JavaScript. I'm always curious just how many people this is. Do you, or does anyone else, have any statistics on this? Is there a reason you describe it as a growing number? Any information greatly appreciated. Cheers Jessica Enders *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Parenthesis around list counters
Greetings all, I am curious if it is currently possible to have a list item display its list counter with parenthesis around it such as this: 1. Item 1 (a). sub item 1 The only way I can think of this is via CSS 3 which is not currently widely supported, especially in our IE6/7 audience. Does IE7/8 support this? Would implementing Deans IE7 help? Any other thoughts on solving this? We are a small county displaying our ordinances and parens are important for legal notations and references. Thanx Jim __ All for one and one for all. www.ArionsHome.com (Persona BLog) www.FreeXenon.com (Web Site Consulting) www.ItsAllAboutYou-Studio.com (Our Yoga Studio) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms
I think the ID's are required for the 'for' attribute to work for labels, which enables the their clickability. When these labels are clicked on they focus on the element whose ID is in the for attribute. label for=CommentsEnter you comments:/label Plus having ID's associated allows for more sophisticated form error handling by having targets.. http://www.usability.com.au/resources/forms.cfm http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?cid=02310 Jim On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:37, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov wrote: Good day, When making a form in Dreamweaver it puts in id=same as name in to every form item. When I take out all the id attributes the form still works. Why are the id attributes being put in by DW and, more importantly, is there an accessibility issue if I take them out? i.e. - textarea name=Comments cols=60 rows=5/textarea vs. textarea name=Comments id=Comments cols=60 rows=5/textarea and input type=submit name=submit2 value=Submit / vs. input type=submit name=submit2 id=submit value=Submit / Thank you, Kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms
Hmmm... I do not really remember.
I have used both together and separately at different times.
By enclosing a form control with a label you will have a little more control
over relative styling since you could something like this:
label:hover input {outline:solidl}
or have more precise placement and control over their location relative to
each other:
label {position:relative;}
input {position:absolute; right:x;}
I think there are some older browsers that like one method over the other.
Just a few thoughts.
Jim
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 13:35, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On a slightly related topic, I have wrapped inputs inside of labels
for browser compatibility for the label clickability/focus issue
(based on some research some time ago), but have just read for the
first time recently, that this is not a good idea. Any thoughts?
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Re: [WSG] legal list numbering
This straight OL does not work from a pure XHTML 1.0 Strict perspective unless your legal documents conform to the browsers' default list numbering scheme. The *'type'* attribute is not valid in XHTML 1.0 which really annoys me to no end, since I work for a county government. The numbering in a legal document is an integral part of the pages' content and should not be left to the determination of the CSS, because once you separate the CSS from the XHTML the list's numbering is not valid and much of the use and meaning for the document is lost. I am not sure, but I expect that HTML5 has a similar issue. Correct me if I am wrong. I hope I am. Jim On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 08:16, Jason Grant ja...@flexewebs.com wrote: This isn't a problem at all. It's a simple thing to do in HTML. Example: ol liBlah Blah/li liBlah Blah/li liBlah Blah ol liBlah Blah/li liBlah Blah/li liBlah Blah ol liBlah blah/li liBlah blah/li liBlah blah/li /ol /li /ol /li /ol Thanks, Jason *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
Really, really unfortunately, the only way is through CSS 3's *counter.**Somebody correct me if I am wrong. This is one of the things that really makes me cranky. =(* * * On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 08:02, T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.comwrote: What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' TIA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] skip links
I'm a bit late but here are some good 'skip link' links: http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter08.html http://www.webaim.org/techniques/skipnav/ http://juicystudio.com/article/skip-links.php *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Looking for Accessible and Standards based Drupal Main Navigation Module
Greetings all, We are working with an external developer who does speak Accessibility and Usability a bit, but not enough for me. I am looking for accessible and standards based Drupal main navigation module thingy with the specific requirement of being navigable via tabbing, including submenus. If you know of any modules, articles or specific implementations on how to do this, that would be great. Thanks all, Jim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Looking for Accessible and Standards based Drupal Main Navigation Module
Hey Thierry, Actually, your solution and the Improved Suckerfish thingy were the first two that came to mind. =) Any other options for Drupal out there? Thanks again everyone. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor
I work for a small county government and we are working with a developer to setup a Drupal website. I am of the opinion that the editor can make or break the utilization of the website by our mostly not very savvy employees. If it is too hard or creates work then it will not be used or people will resist working with it. I am not at all happy with the FCK editor. I am starting to look at Time MCE and Standard. My preferences are standards compliance and semantically correct code, accessible interface (would be nice), the ability for users to copy and paste over their content and for the editor to strip the tags/formatting that are not acceptable and keep the ones that are. I need the ability to add and remove formatting options as well as rename the labels for the formatting options, especially the headers (via the administrative interface is preferable). What option do you have that might fall into this category and is there an online demo? Thanks all for helping me to keep my hair, Jim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Read Speaker?
Any thoughts on the Usability or Accessibility of Read Speaker http://www.readspeaker.com If you have any reports, reviews or comparisons that would be great too. Thanks all, Jjim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?
*My view is that if you have the budget for these services (and they are not cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit more people. * Interesting thought. Examples? Jim On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 13:39, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.ukwrote: The merits of ReadSpeaker (and BrowseAloud, which is very similar) have been discussed at great length in the accessibility community for the best part of a decade. There is very little support for them amongst accessibility professionals. ** ** My view is that if you have the budget for these services (and they are not cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit more people. ** ** Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd ** ** *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *James O'Neill *Sent:* 21 February 2012 18:34 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* [WSG] Read Speaker? ** ** Any thoughts on the Usability or Accessibility of Read Speaker ** ** http://www.readspeaker.com ** ** If you have any reports, reviews or comparisons that would be great too.** ** ** ** ** ** Thanks all, Jjim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?
That makes sense! Thanks for the input. Jim On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 14:23, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.ukwrote: It really depends where you are starting from. If the website is well designed (from an accessibility perspective), you don’t need ReadSpeaker at all. If the website is not well designed, ReadSpeaker may or may not be a solution to the accessibility barriers for some people – you just don’t know. ** ** Bolting on a tool like that does not give you any insight into how accessible or inaccessible the website is, either before or after. Instead I would recommend some form of testing in order to understand what the current accessibility barriers are, followed by a prioritised schedule of remedial work to get to the level you want to achieve. OK, I run a testing company so I am bound to say that, but that would also be the view of most accessibility professionals. ** ** Given that ReadSpeaker requires an annual payment that used to be thousands of pounds (what is it now?), that money could fund a continuous program of remedial work that would benefit all user groups rather than the fairly narrow range of user groups that benefit from ReadSpeaker. ** ** Steve Green ** ** *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *James O'Neill *Sent:* 21 February 2012 19:58 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Read Speaker? ** ** *My view is that if you have the budget for these services (and they are not cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit more people. * Interesting thought. Examples? ** ** ** ** Jim ** ** On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 13:39, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk wrote: The merits of ReadSpeaker (and BrowseAloud, which is very similar) have been discussed at great length in the accessibility community for the best part of a decade. There is very little support for them amongst accessibility professionals. My view is that if you have the budget for these services (and they are not cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit more people. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *James O'Neill *Sent:* 21 February 2012 18:34 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* [WSG] Read Speaker? Any thoughts on the Usability or Accessibility of Read Speaker http://www.readspeaker.com If you have any reports, reviews or comparisons that would be great too.** ** Thanks all, Jjim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** ** ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?
They just contacted and I have not yet talked with them. I am doing some research first. Thanks for the link. Jim On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 14:55, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.ukwrote: On 21/02/2012 19:39, Steve Green wrote: The merits of ReadSpeaker (and BrowseAloud, which is very similar) have been discussed at great length in the accessibility community for the best part of a decade. Very strangely, just today there's been a thread about ReadSpeaker over on W3C WAI IG list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/** Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012JanMar/**0143.htmlhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012JanMar/0143.html Coincidence? Or have RS launched some kind of marketing campaign? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __**__**__ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com | http://flickr.com/photos/**redux/http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ __**__**__ twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke __**__**__ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Read Speaker?
Would you mind recapping the differences and providing some links for me if you have some available. Bias noted... =) Thanks On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 20:40, Gian Wild fin...@gianwild.com.au wrote: Hi There are some major differences between ReadSpeaker and BrowseAloud - such as the ability to read secure pages, PDFs etc. I should let you know that I am a BrowseAloud reseller, but that is because I believe in the product. Implementing a product like that is just one way to improve the accessibility of a site. I find clients who are really committed to accessibility spend the resources on ensuring their site is accessible and then provide BrowseAloud to their audience as an addition to that. Feel free to contact me with any questions. Cheers, Gian On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:25 AM, James O'Neill freexe...@gmail.comwrote: They just contacted and I have not yet talked with them. I am doing some research first. Thanks for the link. Jim On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 14:55, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.ukwrote: On 21/02/2012 19:39, Steve Green wrote: The merits of ReadSpeaker (and BrowseAloud, which is very similar) have been discussed at great length in the accessibility community for the best part of a decade. Very strangely, just today there's been a thread about ReadSpeaker over on W3C WAI IG list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/** Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012JanMar/**0143.htmlhttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012JanMar/0143.html Coincidence? Or have RS launched some kind of marketing campaign? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __**__**__ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com | http://flickr.com/photos/**redux/http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ __**__**__ twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke __**__**__ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Gian Wild Accessibility Specialist web. www.gianwild.com.au email. fin...@gianwild.com.au mobile. 042 442 6262 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
