ADMIN Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?
On 16/06/12 9:35 AM, Chris Pearce wrote: I'm sorry but how is this related to Web Standards? Its not relevant to web standards, but when the list is quiet (as the word echoes around the room) its harmless to have a little technical off-topic chatter. (but only a little) Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Market share of smartphones in Australia
Well, I've dropped a csv file here: http://vikings.homeip.net/temp/Analytics-Devices-20120504-20120603.csv It shows mobile visit data over the last month from 2 (thus the 2 columns) moderate-volume sites that are visited by typical 'mum and dad' users. (Data from Google Analytics) Man those Apple device are popular! Hope it helps. Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, .au On 4/06/12 1:39 PM, Grant Bailey wrote: Would someone be able to provide me with recent information about the market share of the different smartphones in Australia. I have not been able to find much using Google since such data is usually subscription-only. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility changer
On 25/04/12 4:52 PM, steve paultan wrote: What is? Could you explain it more clearly? Thanks, I found this vid from Google which gives a demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=9c6W4CCU9M4 Of course, the parodies are already out there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=t3TAOYXT840 :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, .au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN Thread closed Re: [WSG] I am currently out of the office Re: WSG Digest
Handled off list Lea On 5/04/12 3:27 PM, Terence Zweni Express wrote: Could you please unsubscribe us -Original Message- From: Rebecca Rodgersrebe...@steptwo.com.au Sender: lists@webstandardsgroup.orgDate: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:06:24 To:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Reply-to: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] I am currently out of the office Re: WSG Digest I am currently out of the office on annual leave and will return on Tuesday, 10 April. If you have an urgent query, please call my mobile, 0413 602 697. Otherwise, I will respond to your email on my return. Kind regards Rebecca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] Thread closed Re: [WSG] Keyboard Tabbing no longer working in FF v11/Mac
User deleted - sorry so many got through! Lea On 4/04/12 7:09 PM, sale.jordantradezone wrote: Dear friend , *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] The mailto link
On 4/01/12 6:51 AM, Chris Price wrote: I've been discussing the mailto link with other designers on LinkedIn and wonder what the opinions of other standards based designers are. I suspect this topic will open another kettle of fish, but - oh, well, things are always quiet in the new year :) I always offer a contact form, because people aren't always on a computer where they have access to their mail client. In addition, I always offer the option of 'click an email address' to send an email from the email client, in case thats what they prefer. Do both - no loss. :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, .au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites
On 28/12/11 7:39 PM, coder wrote: So, why do some folk think that's OK, but if you are using a browser it's awful? I think it comes down to predictability. The various programs mentioned open new windows in a predictable pattern - one knows when a new window will open. Websites open windows not only unpredictably (ignoring the small status bar message which I note, but I'm sure Jo(e) Public doesn't) but somewhat invisibly - it isn't always obvious if you blink at the wrong moment that a new window opened, it just looks like the back button stopped working... IMHO Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, .au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] Re: [WSG] major web site project
This member has been removed from the mailing list for inappropriate language. Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member On 11/08/11 12:30 PM, garment4u...@gmail.com wrote: snip *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [ADMIN] Re: [WSG] [THREAD CLOSED] inappropriate behaviour
Obviously that sort of behaviour is inappropriate! But, we'll close the unacceptable part of the thread, while leaving open Marvin's website project thread. ~ back on topic, people :) Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] is this infection of Safari or FB page?
We're offtopic here and I don't think putting the question of 'are these links dangerous?' is anything this group is qualified to discuss. (OK, maybe *you* are, but its certainly outside the group remit.) Closed. (Thanks for the prompt, Joseph) Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] Thread Closed Re: [WSG] RE: WSG Digest [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
I've unsubscribed Ms Fleming - please don't respond to this thread any further. Yes, all reasonable people can unsubscribe all by themselves by visiting: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm When you respond to a digest post, PLEASE trim down to just the part you are responding to warmly, Lea On 11/02/11 4:17 PM, Henry Mencia wrote: Hello C Fleming, If you want to be removed go here Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Cheers, *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] spam in the site...
On 13/12/10 9:51 AM, Andrew Harris wrote: A query about the http://webstandardsgroup.org/ site. Yikes! Well spotted! I've temporarily unpublished the page while we figure out what the problem is. (Sorry everyone - you don't get to see the spam when you click through!) Thanks for letting us know Ah, the joys of volunteer run websites :( warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] Thread closed Re: [WSG] greetings
I don't think we are adding any value to the world by going on about this. Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] Thread Closed Re: [WSG] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Read Alone - very special! - (i like the poem not the bits before it)
I've sent a message to Robert asking him to check his machine for viruses. I don't think we need to discuss this any further. I haven't opened the attachment, and I suggest that no one else does either :( warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member On 23/07/10 7:01 AM, Robert Dixon wrote: *From:* Christopher Simon mailto:chrissan...@sky.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:28 PM *Subject:* Fwd: Fw: Read Alone - very special! - (i like the poem not the bits before it) - Original Message - Subject: Fw: Read Alone - very special! - (i like the poem not the bits before it) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]
On 11/06/10 9:32 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote: I just took a peek at our own stats for May 2010. A very large set limited to UK online shoppers only. And I couldn't agree less with the article. I have a couple of large .au 'mum and dad' sites (ie, not techie) and I have similar results to your .uk figures: Internet Explorer 67.11% Firefox 17.19% Safari 9.70% Chrome 4.67% with specific IE figures of IE8.0 59.08% IE7.0 28.46% IE6.0 12.44% ie IE 6 is at 8.3% overall - lower than your numbers, but still worth testing for. Interestingly, I have iphone/ipod numbers at 2.77% and rising fast - I guess I better get those mobile versions up! Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, .au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Yes/No structure?
On 4/06/10 2:41 PM, nedlud wrote: The full questions in the form is Do you require an interpreter? This is followed by: If so, what language? Personally, I would try this structure: Do you require a translator? o No o Yes [] Greek | {I require a Greek Translator written in greek} [] Russian | { I require a Russian Translator written in Russian} [] etc [] Other [__ ] and so on, obviously using the languages appropriate to your population segment. I wouldn't do anything clever with making the language part appear and disappear when they select yes/no, as seeing the name of their language in the form can help prompt them to check it. Hope it helps Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, .au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] Thread closed Re: [WSG] Birthday Calendar
Yes, I know. I've spoken to Sivaramakrishnan and I don't think we need to discuss it further, do we? warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Group *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] THREAD CLOSED - OFF TOPIC Re: [WSG] G'day from Copenhagen!
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[ADMIN] OFF TOPIC - CLOSED Items for Sale Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs
im having a out of business sale , my partner ship finish and im going on my own but we ened to sell the equipment. THIS THREAD IS CLOSED - WSG IS NOT A CLASSIFIEDS FORUM. (The original thread, about breaks etc is still open) Lea *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] THREAD COSED Re: [WSG] Looking for Images
This thread is closed as off topic for this list. Should you wish to help the OP, please reply off list. warmly, Lea *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Re: International SMS Provider
This thread is off topic for this list and is closed. Should you wish to help the OP, please reply off list. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] Thread closed Re: [WSG] Auction Auto Bidder
Mister Shamveel won't be bothering us anymore :) (so we don't need to discuss this further) Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member On 15/09/2009, at 2:46 PM, Mohamed Shamveel wrote: Some stuff we don't need to see *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] E Power Lanka Web Site
I don't know what the point of the post was - probably spam - but best just to ignore it. If the offender repeats we'll be unsubscribing him or her (We'll assume it was a missend at this point) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] Thread Closed Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest
OK, I've unsubscribed both parties. Thread closed, party over :-P Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Group Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] using images for my website and accessibility
This thread is closed. I'm afraid 'how can I license these images?' isn't a matter for web standards discussion. Please feel free to answer Marvin offlist. People - please try to stick to on topic posts! warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member On 14/07/2009, at 3:42 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. tried looking for these images for a web project. and needs the url, so i can contact the owner to get permission to use these images. will paste the names below. tried looking on google, altavista, yahoo, etc. but no luck. cheers Marvin. ps:have these images on my hard disk, but need to get permission to use these. the images i am looking for are: banana.jpg cherry.jpg image002.gifimage002.gif img_0537.jpg logo_01.gif mango.png Mushrooms.jpg pineapple.jpg rockmelon_large.jpg E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn: startrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/ JawsOz/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] SEO vs. Accessibility
On 27/05/2009, at 2:26 AM, Spellacy, Michael wrote: It was recently brought to my attention that a few elements I have placed on a site that have text indented px to the left for accessibility might be viewed as a form of cloaking by some search engines. Is my colleague correct in this assessment? If so, is there a middle ground that can be met to make search engines and visually impaired folks happy? Yes, it is an issue, and at times people will jump on it. It really comes down to how much you've done, and what it looks like. Its the sort of thing that will be picked up in a manual review, and they aren't that common. I tend to use a class name like class=accessabilityonly for these fields, in the hopes of giving a reviewer at least a clue as to what I am doing, but it isn't a well defined field. The litmus test is: if you took them out., would you be more worried about the search engines not seeing your text, or the accessability implications... hope it helps :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, .au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] Thread closed Re: [WSG] SEO - how to upgrade my skills?
and... we do need to close this thread. 'how do I get better SEO skills', while dear to my heart, *is* off topic. If you'd like to help Mike out, please feel free to reply offlist warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Time For a Table?
On 08/05/2009, at 3:27 AM, CK wrote: Would this group of link listhttp://archive.bushidodeep.com/theme_test/links.html be better served inside a table with headers? No. To figure out 'is this a table?' look *across* the columns. Do you need to match up particular cells in each row? If so, its a table. If not, it probably isn't. So, in your layout there's no relationship between, for example, 'Heartfelt Writers' and 'Request OOP Code', so - no table layout. Hope it helps. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, .au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[ADMIN] THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Login/password app?
This thread is closed, as it is not on topic. Please only post discussions, questions, etc, based on standards to the list. Should you wish to answer Brooke, please do so offlist. Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Admin Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Exemples to use microformats?
On 23/02/2009, at 5:19 PM, Ronaldo Bitencourt - Webmaster wrote: I am looking for example to use microformtas, something relatively new here in brazil, someone can help me with some links? http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, .au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] css Help Please
On 12/01/2009, at 11:37 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: Sorry! We found the following errors (3) URI : file://localhost/C:\DOCS\MarvinsWebsite\styles.css 6 div header Lexical error at line 5, column 2. Encountered: i (105), after : id=Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1% auto; } OK, you haven't quite picked up how CSS works. I haven't seen your actual markup (the contents of the 'view source' of your page) but it looks like you have something like this: div id=Borg; width: 400px; margin: 1% auto; ... /div where you want to have: div id=Borg ... /div and in your .css file (or inside your style type=text/css ... / style element) put: #Borg { width: 400px; margin: 1% auto; } if you want to have a 'Borg' type block appear more than once, you should use a 'class' rather than an 'id' - an 'id' should only appear once on the page while a 'class' is for repeating blocks. This would give markup like this: div class=Borg ... /div and the class would be referenced in the CSS with 'dot' notation: .Borg { width: 400px; margin: 1% auto; } Hope it helps Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, .au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Its been a good read, but I think we've said everything we need to say, and I can't think of any excuse to make it on-topic. Thread closed. So - Aussies, make sure you make your opinion known to the appropriate people. Rest of the world - please try not to snicker, point and laugh at us too much :( Lea ~ but the implementation is non standard! Umm, no, still off topic ;) -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
THREAD CLOSED (well, the off topic part) Re: [WSG] Web governance
On topic? no way! Tony is no longer with us. Bye bye Tony! Don't let the door hit you on the way out! But - please continue discussion of the 'web governance' topic. 'How to move to Web Standards' is certainly on topic :) What do you think of the issues Andrew is facing? What have you done in similar situations? Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member On 24/11/2008, at 3:58 PM, Tony Paterson wrote: Ladies and Gents I am seeking JV partners for some of our company's websites If you have any interest please call or email me Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [ADMIN] THREAD CLOSED AGAIN [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from? THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED!
Really guys - you aren't adding any value to a list with thousands of members that is supposed to be conversations about Web Standards. Yes, you're very amusing. Amuse your friends off list You're currently in violation of the terms of the list. The normal penalty is un-subscription. I'm hoping the thread will go quiet now and my finger won't have to hit that button. Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member On 07/11/2008, at 9:51 AM, Brett Patterson wrote: And I'll bring the empty belly. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I'll bring the beer! :) Sent from my iPhone. On 06/11/2008, at 8:53 PM, 8bits Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ, Will you be bringing a cake? Nick. On 6 Nov 2008, at 21:44, russ - maxdesign wrote: If there are any more posts to this thread I will have to come to your houses, one at a time... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:49:21 +1000, Chris Pearce wrote: For a few years now I’ve been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however I’d be interested in seeing what other people on this list think. There are many discussions of this one around. Here's one: http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/03/quick_quiz_h1s_and_logos/ There are lots more :) My take is that I will put the logo in the h1 element when the logo is the most important thing on the page (most important isn't quite what I mean, but its as close as I am getting at 6PM :)) This is usually the homepage. So other pages don't get a h1 for the logo, the title of that page gets the h1 instead. I usually end up with markup like this: div id=mast XX id=logoimg/XX pPossibly other stuff too/p /div Where XX is ether H1 or div depending on the page. This lets me write a set of rules like: #mast { ... } #mast #logo { ... } so all pages are the same, whether the logo has the h1 or not Hope it helps warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag
Joel Spolsky has published an ... interesting article http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html I wonder if Microsoft considered the approach of IE 7 is the last version of IE. Our new product will be $NEW_PRODUCT_NAME[1]. All old hacks for IE are irrelevent - we're starting afresh, people! Sounds like its worth considering :) After all, when I browse the web with Safari or Firefox I literally never see a broken page, because nothing assumes I am using some version of IE. M2CW :) warmly, Lea [1] I like Internet Avenger for I am a romantic. Who can think of a better name? :) -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news - stats
Well, if you'd like some stats from a .au site with very much non-technical, typically Australian-sourced traffic: 1. Internet Explorer / Windows 44,549 80.32% 1. 7.0 23,965 53.77% 2. 6.0 20,507 46.01% 3. 5.5 47 0.11% 4. 5.0117 0.04% 5. 5.0 16 0.04% 6. 5.2311 0.02% 7. 4.5 3 0.01% 8. 4.0120.00% 9. 5.2220.00% 10. 4.0 10.00% 2. Firefox / Windows 6,581 11.86% 3. Safari / Macintosh 2,352 4.24% 4. Firefox / Macintosh 828 1.49% 5. Mozilla / Linux 623 1.12% 6. Opera / Windows 150 0.27% 7. Firefox / Linux 121 0.22% 8. Mozilla / Windows 48 0.09% 9. Konqueror / Linux 37 0.07% 10. Internet Explorer / Macintosh 24 0.04% So, 80% Windows IE, split between 7 6 - I too expect to see most of the IE7 users migrate to an IE8 Gold release quite quickly, but that IE6 will hang around for much longer. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction and myths
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:11:53 -0800, tee wrote: Anybody knows about this? The robots text is good for search robots, but I read from somewhere, that robots text no longer is needed when Google Sitemap is implemented for the site. For Google bots, there are some elements of Google Sitemaps that interact with the robots.txt file. No other bots have access to Google Sitemaps info. You still want a robot.txt file even if you are using Google Sitemaps I didn't know robots text was important for accessibility, however I learned from the accessites team that it is. Umm... no - you (or someone) has mixed up robots.txt with something else (not sure what!) robots.txt is generally used to tell bots where they can't go. People who benefit from high accessability in a site are not bots! :) I can't think of *any* overlap between accessability and robots.txt True statement: 'if it is accessible then a bot will be able to crawl it well' (a general rule, anyway) False statement: 'if you block a bot with robots.txt then the site is not accessible' IMHO warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[ADMIN: THREAD CAUTION] Re: [WSG] Electronic forms building software
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:53:22 +1100, Jessica Enders wrote: I was wondering what WYSIWYG electronic (web and other) forms building software would you recommend or avoid? I'm interested in experience with Form Assembly, in particular. The sorts of things I'm interested in feedback on include Wufoo, Icebrrg, SurveyMonkey, Zoomerang, QuestionPro, Vovici, FormSite, ColdFusion, InfoPath, Adobe LiveCycle and SnapForm. Hi guys, I don't think this is an on on-topic thread, but feel free to reply - if you can keep it to a discussion of standards. Any off topic responses should go directly to Jessica. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groiot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[ADMIN] THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] APHP counter script
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:49:40 -0800, Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote: The nonprofit I run a web site for again wants a counter. I did work on putting together a PHP counter and came up with the following. We are off topic here. If anyone would like to comment, plase reply to Angus directly :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:58:52 +1100, Sarah Peeke wrote: So, if the HTTP headers are changed along the response chain from server to client what is the likely outcome? Where would the user be directed in this case? HTML doesn't care. Its possible to write server-side code that generates different markup based on the referer, or even js code the same, but HTML on its own doesn't read the referer to care what it says or doesn't say and will display the same. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Joomla question
Sorry, Jos, this is off topic for this list. Everyone, if you have a response for Jos please send it off list. Jos, you might want to search for Joomla forums :) Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:12:33 +0700, Jos Flachs wrote: I'm familiarising myself with Joomla. The basics, I understand and can manage. What I find very difficult to understand is how sections, categories and modules work and interact. Also the various template layouts. I mean, the blog format, etc. (Not the actual html layout itself.) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[EVEN MORE ADMINISH] thread closed Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!
Hi guys! If you have strong feelings about this, we welcome your email at the address down the bottom of this message :waits while you scroll down then back up: However, we like to keep meta discussions off the list - 98% of the members don't want to hear it. So, thread closed. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!
Hello everyone! Its that time of year again - time for me to bang my head on the table again! No, really. I do. Presently, the large majority of us get a few days off, and, responsibly, we will make sure that people who try to talk to us know we aren't ignoring them, we've just got our feet up with a nice cold one. Sensibly, we leave an Out Of Office message for our colleagues and clients. But its important not to ruin that professional appearance by doing it improperly. The memberships of all your mailing lists generally don't need to know that you are away (and its not just because some of us work through and are jeaous - honest!! ;)) SO! Make sure you set your Out Of Office message so it doesn't reply to your mailing lists. It takes a little more effort, but it stops us thinking you're a dork. And you aren't one. (Are you?) Merry Seasonally Appropriate Greetings! (Santa is bringing me a 30 monitor. Hehehe. God Santa. But there better be chocolate in there too! :)) Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:48:17 +, Nick Roper wrote: Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with CSS etc? You can make it *harder* to do things like this, but you can't completely stop determined and skilled people. If nothing else, they can always take a screen dump of the window and drop the image somewhere else. Lots of techniques can be used - the invisible image layer over is one. Writing the page with gobbledygook javascript is another. A strong but polite copyright message will work for some percentage of people. But all of them will only slow people down - once you've published on the internet the content is out there and it is impossible to completely prevent reuse. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN [THREAD CAUTION] Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part
Guys, While the thread is interesting, do try to keep it on the topic of *web standards*. Some of the points which are either off topic or verging there include: - is Microsoft the boogey man? - should the government implement standards. The thread is still open, and it will stay that way if *you* stay on toopic! :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Validation questions
Hey Taco! This sounds like one of those 'its much easier if you show us the code' things :) Write a stripped down version, if its Things You Must Not Show The Public ;) (And often stripping it down will give that marvellous illumination that fixes the problem :)) I have an error where it says document type does not allow element OL here The ol tag is within a formfieldset I don't understand, is this not allowed? Could the OL be occurring within an inline element? That would not validate. I have an error where it says end tag for element P which is not open. The p tag is actually within javascript, within the headscript I don't see how I can fix this error. Move the '/p' into the js too. Perhaps have 'openThingy' and 'closeThingy' functions? warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:44:15 +, Chris Taylor wrote: But even for a relatively small site having a sitemap will help some users find what they want quickly. Those people are the same ones who will scan the index of a book before flicking through the pages. Yes, its got to be total 'brochure ware' before I leave off the sitemap. Its not just for the search engines - some people choose to navigate via the sitemap. If there isn't a reason *not* to have a sitemap (and I can't think of one - way too small a budget to do anything extra at all?) then I would include one. It may be the case that 'this site doesn't need a sitemap' but I can't think of reasoning 'this site will be damaged by a sitemap' warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:07:16 +0900, Jermayn Parker wrote: The way I personally do sitemaps (if i decide to do them) is use the google sitemaps tool and keep it as a xml document and just make sure that your navigation is easy enough so people can access the content without getting lost. XML sitemaps and HTML sitemaps are completely different beasties - its unfortunate that they share a name, but we are not discussing the use of XML sitemaps in this thread. IMO if you create a sitemap so people can get to a location, the navigation obviously needs working on. Sitemap is just a bandaide to the bigger problem. But some people prefer to have a quick squiz at the sitemap to see the totality of what the site contains. People are all different. Your navigation can be fine, and their mindset just wants to look at things differently. Of course, if the logs showed a lot of navigation to the sitemap, I'd be examinging the navigation to see if it was adequate, but that doesn't change the observation that a minority of people want to see your sitemap to navigate through your site. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest
Guys, We have asked that meta discussion go directly to the admin group, rather than bogging down the list. That said - while I agree with the sentiment, it is a software based problem. At the moment we are receiving generous free service from webboy. Webboy uses particular technologies and with a technolofgy choice there come limits. Certainly, Yahoo may have it under control, but last time I looked we weren't seeing any ads on this list (sh! Peter isn't looking is he? ;)) Sadly, its a case of you get what you pay for, and while we all get the list for free I don't really think it is productive to complain about its features or lack thereof. There is, of course, now a forum-based alternative at http://forum.webstandardsgroup.org/ which should surely be free of OOO messages. So! Back to our regular standards based discussion. All discussion of this topic should go to the list admins - see the contact details below :) Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Group On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:44:26 -0700, Chris Williams wrote: My point is, there must be a software solution to this in the mailing list software. Yahoo must be filtering these messages, no? Isn't there a better mousetrap here, rather than expecting thousands of members to remember to edit their settings right before they head out on holiday? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] H1 font not set in IE
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:40:00 +0100, Nick Roper wrote: http://dev.logical.co.uk/castlewelding/final/gates_railings.php The font for the h1 should be Garamond - as it is for the menus at the left. However it refuses to render in FF/Windows - although it is fine on FF/Mac. The other weird thing is that FF/Windows renders Garamond for the menus but not the h1. Could it be a caching issue? If you view the style sheet directly in the browser, does the H1 have the correct style? If not, hard-refresh it and look again :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Microformats was [ Is this a good use of dl ]
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:57:27 +0100, Designer wrote: Perhaps I'm being dumb here, but I've looked at Microformats (briefly) and I can't see the advantage over what any decent webby would knock up on his own. The hcard example makes every line a div and just seems, frankly, daft. Here's an example of where I have used hcard mf in a dl based structure: dl class=vcard dtNAME:/dt dd class=fn orgUniversity Early Learning Centre/dd dtADDRESS:/dt dd class=adrspan class=street-addressUniversity Of Melbourne, Faculty of Educationbr40 Clarke St/spanbrspan class=localityAbbotsford/span span class=regionVIC/span span class=postal-code3067/span/dd dtPHONE:/dt dd class=telspan class=value(03) 9419 /span/dd /dl It was a bit hacked up and quickly done at the time, so I would pick holes in it now (note to self - review time), but hopefully you can see how to use hcard microformats in a dl-structure for addresses :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ~ who must get off the computer and go get dressed to go to The Abbey Tournament. Ah, Sundays :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:45:26 -0500, Joyce Evans wrote: Is it important to include the following as part of the meta tags on web pages? meta name=robots content=index,follow No. 'index' and 'follow' are the default values for the robots meta - any robot will assume these values if there is no robots meta element on the page. You only need to include them if you are resetting them to eg 'noindex' or 'nofollow', etc. Of course, it isn't *wrong* to include them, just redundant. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] force download a media file
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:40:39 +0530, SJL wrote: I have this problem where i want to force download and mp3 and mp4 format file, but by default the browsers are handling it. I actually want the save as window to appear and give the choice to the viewer. Zipping the file is the only way I know of to ensure a download. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:22:36 +1000, Kane Tapping wrote: I have been reading with interest the WCAG Samurai Errata ( http://wcagsamurai.org/errata/intro.html ) and am suprised to have not found it discussed on WSG as of yet. Thank you! I missed this announcement, somehow. What a refreshing read! :) Points - no noscript? I still use it to add a submit button to dropdowns which are otherwise javascript driven - I thought I was doing a good thing! (Wah! :( ) Hmm.. its in the introduction, but not in the document. Thats not right, surely? - Guideline 10 Do not add non-link, printable characters (surrounded by spaces or not) between adjacent links unless the semantics of the document naturally would include such characters. Am I right in interpeting this as that we *don't* need to make sure there are extra characters between links! Wow! Cool! :) :reads more: warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:27:46 +0100, Matthew Pennell wrote: Auto-submitting dropdowns are not usable by keyboard users. More information, please? :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:49:00 +1000, Kane Tapping wrote: I took this one to mean that you should be writing your form in a accessible and non-js way first then use JS to HIJAX ( http://ajaxian.com/archives/hijax-graceful-degration) that version to provide enhanced useability.This way you get a perfectly useable form without JS and enhanced usability when it is enabled. I have considered that, and there are very, very few places where I would use a noscript element - the 'select dropdown' is probably the only *common* implementation I do. The only problem with the 'make it plain, then pretty it with JS' approach is the Redraw Problem. The first thing to bear in mind is that for the majority of applications more than 95% of your visitors will be using a plain vanilla graphical browser. While a web page/app must be accessiible, it must also service your majority audience *perfectly*. Having elements pop in and out on a slow connection is very confusing for Joe Public, and if its a page or site that will take their money its important Not to make them feel in anyway insecure on what is happening. Because of this, I've made a specific decision that, rather than having a: select + button, then use JS to remove the button and add an onclick, I have: select + noscripted-button, and use js to add an onclick (actually, I think its an onchange - I'd have to go look). This gives an almost identical experience to non-js browsers and a perfect experience to Joe Public's vanilla browser, and avoids elements popping in and out on the screen. If its below the fold it doesn't matter so much If the element is very visible at the top of the page then its important. It would probably be worthwhile to consider browsers that do js, but don't support onchange but I haven't looked into it - its a pretty old element. IMHO warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN Re: [WSG] What does Semantic mean?
OK, people - enough fun and games. Lets try and keep the posts on topic and valuable, eh? :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size
On Thu, 31 May 2007 22:31:28 -0500, Tim Offenstein wrote: Anyone have a recommendation on what size screen to use as a baseline when designing for a new site? 800x600 or 1024x768 or something else? I do base designs for 1024, but I make sure the final implementation doesn't actually break at 800x, although I ignore it being a little crowded (I usually also check 600x, but I only fix really bad breakage) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout
On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:16:11 +1000, John Faulds wrote: what if you have a form control that's not really related to anything else? Do you put it in a fieldset by itself? Then what do you do about the legend when in a lot of cases it'll simply be duplicating what's in the label? For instance, a form which has contact details and a message text area might be split into one fieldset for the contact details and another for the message (I know it could probably be argued that it could all go in one fieldset but let's say for argument's sake that there's another fieldset in between requesting the user to select from a series of checkboxes that needs to go in its own fieldset). Generally, I would leave the message text field out of a fieldset altogether. So, I would have + fieldset of contact details + fieldset of checkboxes + textfield for message content + submit button and I would wrap the textfield-plus-label in a div IMHO Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Detecting Anti-Virus Software
This post is off topic and the thread is now closed. If you would like to help Bas, please email him off list warmly Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Group On Sat, 26 May 2007 16:35:04 +0800, Bas V wrote: Now my questions to you: a) Is there a way to detect which anti-virus software is used by a site visitor so that I can create a auto-generated message for just McAfee users that they do not need to worry about the false Trojan warning? b) Do you have any suggestions for me as how otherwise to very securely protect/encrypt source code? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Australian University webpage reviews and WANAU membership
On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:33:46 +1000, Nick Gleitzman wrote: Reply made offlist as debates of qualifications and recommended medications are definitely OT. Thank you Nick. This thread is closed - it wasn't really on topic originally, although it showed some chance of morphing there. Any discussion needs to be on topic. If in doubt, please review: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm particularly What the list covers and does not cover The link to that page is always at the bottom of every post. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN Thread Closed Re: [WSG] Yahoo Groups
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:38:51 +0930, Marvin Hunkin wrote: got a group called JawsOz at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz/ This threadd is off topic and closed - if you would like to discuss with Marvin please reply off list. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Group *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] strong v's b , em v's i
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:55:57 +0800, Ca Phun Ung wrote: But on a serious note what could we do about resources like these that publicize incorrect information and advocate bad practice? I can only think of 2 options: 1. send a message to the site oner asking them to correct them or take them down. You might want to offer to help with a rewrite 2. Beat them in the SERPs so fewer people find them ;) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:54:22 +1000, Raena Jackson Armitage wrote: Using something more direct, like View larger image or Send us a message just flows better as written text. Exactly how to approach this depends on your audience. If your market is largely internet newbs, who aren't yet cofident with this mousey-thing they push around with their hand - gently walk them through it with 'click here to view a larger image' If your market is seasoned web standards developers 'larger image' is probably sufficient. ;) There is no one hard and fast rule - Know Thy Market! warmly Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] What do we say if we don't say click?
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:45:45 +1000, John Horner wrote: It's a nice idea, this know your market thing, and I'm sure it's appropriate in a commercial context, but our market is *everyone*. (The ABC, for the non-.au based, is the major government broadcasting arm) Yes, it is, so you would be justified in 'dumbing it down' for the next decade, at least, IMHO. But, for the majority of developers, there is a market that visits their website, and they should have a strong understanding of it. warmly, Lea ~ nice work in the Rural area, btw :) -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Copyright some thought on the subject
On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:00:10 -0500, dwain wrote: The issue of copyright has been discussed on this list recently and in the past. I come from a photographic background as an editorial photographer where the issue is under constant debate. Thanks, Dwain, but a discussion of copyright is off topic for this list. Please reply to Dwain off list, if interested, people :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Aw, crumbs! You can all pretend I copied the address into the To: field, not the Subject: field, and it went where it was supoposed to, right? :( All pointing and laughing offlist, please. Lea ~ wandering away mumbling... On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:06:37 +1000, Lea de Groot wrote: Suzanne, I've set you to nomail. Please feel free to reset this once you return to your desk. You might also consider rethinking your footer - its horribly spammie and you may well find your domain now has some spam reports against it, as this list has such a wide subscribership :( warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member BCC: Core On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 06:56:20 -, Suzanne Malyon wrote: I am out of the office until Monday March 12th. Please call the office on 0208 780 6350 if it's urgent. NEWS: BUSINESS MONITOR INTERNATIONAL LAUNCH 10 NEW SITES! eShopworks are pleased to announce the launch of 10 new sites for specialist business information publisher Business Monitor International (BMI) - all powered by a single WORKSsitebuilder implementation. The new sites have been designed and built with customer conversion as the key driver and feature market leading trial and subscription management functionality. BMI are able to configure and report on free and paid trials and create supporting emails for the 44 weekly and monthly publications that the network of sites promote. Advanced member management, access rules and blacklisting provide BMI with the necessary tools to protect the high value of their published content. Visit http://www.latinamericamonitor.com to find out more. --- This email was obviously intended for the people named in the message. It may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received it by mistake, please take no action based on it, copy it, or show it to anyone - just delete it and let us know about the error. Also, we should point out that any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of eShopworks. Unfortunately email cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free and thus this email should not be construed as a solicitation for, or offer of contract. If verification is required please ask us for a hard-copy. And finally, while we've scanned this email on 3/3/2007 to make sure it is virus free to be on the safe side we recommend that you also scan it with your own antivirus software. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] It's times like this you remember how far you've come
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:47:15 +1000, John Faulds wrote: Well just so you know Michael, you're not the only one who's had dealings with some Brisbane web dev cowboys. :( Now, now - don't slag the city for the actions of a few :-P John, I realise you am just venting, but you should not be reworking someone else's markup on your own time. You should be approaching your client and explaining that you have some problems with the markup thats been supplied to you and its going to take longer than you anticipated, because you had assumed that the other contractor would be supplying professional work. No problem, but you'll need more $$ (or whatever the deal is for) Be professional, but my favourite metaphor involves something about a model-T Ford and a modern Camry :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems *cough*Brisbane*cough*, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [ZONEALARM CHALLENGE]
Handled! (and look! I didn't curse even once! ;)) Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member On 2 Mar 2007 21:13:18 -0800, RBaggs wrote: Subject: Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [ZONEALARM CHALLENGE] to: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mlf-Communication-Key: abbb-dbcg-aaab-fbch-baeb-cbbj;disposition=internal Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary=__1172898796.1051.MlfMimeMail__ snip *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Forward-slash suppresses word wrap in Windows IE
Paul Novitski wrote: In Windows IE, a forward-slash (virgule) that follows whitespace suppresses word wrap: http://juniperwebcraft.com/demo/slashwrap.html Probably a foolish suggestion - have you tried replacing the slash with a character entity? #047; or sol; seems to cover it. Something to try? warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Directory Structure - Best Practice
Herrod, Lisa wrote: here's me showing my greeny status again... ;) What do they mean when they mean when they say that.. :( From http://www.google.com/search?q=define:troll a newsgroup post that is deliberately incorrect, intended to provoke readers; or a person who makes such a post Close enough. I hope this thread won't devolve into a debate about trolling - we'd be totally off topic if so. FTR, I agree with most of what Daniel says, except: * the subdomain thing - although I havent experimented with it - * the page-name.some-technology, in implimentation. I tend to end all my pages in html no matter what I am using server side because a) it says 'webpage' and b) the technology for turning extensions off is flakey and I find putting a single page per directory inefficient in workflow - it has to work on both the developers and the users side! warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Website Directory Structure - Best Practice
Lachlan Hunt wrote: What's flaky about it? Apache MultiViews is the easiest way to not require file extensions for static files, with the added advantage of making content negotiation extremely easy to do. The implementation, I should have said :) As you pointed out, IE doesn't cache properly. I made a list of problems with it at one point, but I can't put my hand on it right now. Not a long list, but enough that it isn't worth the effort. 5 chars doesnt worry me when it is so clearly a usability aid to say 'web page' to the user constantly; to Joe Public who is savvy enough to look at the URI they are clicking on, but not techie enough to know everything that we know, a .html extension clearly implies 'Click here to see a web page about xxx - nothing tricky is going to happen, you will just get a simple page which won't do nasty things to your machine' and improve the probability of click. Nothing true in that implication, of course, but that doesn't stop me from giving my users a simple clear message :) IMHO Lea ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
sime wrote: I used the following as the foundation of my current approach to style sheets. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/sample.html If I am understanding it correctly, thats not meant for page developers/designers to base from, its meant for browser developers to start from. You can expect that the default styles supplied by each browser will be something like these. For a web developer to start with something like this would put an un-necessary large download on each page. (Yes, yes, I know - caching - but its still redundant) However, I'm told that my code is therefore not XHTML compliant because of my use of uppercase. So who then is HTML4 relevant to? I don't really understand the question. As written, the css shown will work under HTML dtds (and XHTML transitional? I'm not sure as I never use it) but not XHTML strict DTDs. To make it work correctly for XHTML strict, you should change each tag name to lowercase. Its a trivial change. HIH! Lea ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] o 0
On 04/03/2006, at 1:51 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: If the concern is that the number 0 would be excused for the letter O in a block of text, I can see the issue, but I'm certain that English style manuals say that one digit numbers like 0 in sentences should be spelled out. My main bugbear with such issues is things like Captchas. I appreciate it when the developer takes care to exclude o,0,1,I,l from the possible letters, as I am really bad at guessing which of these an example might be :( In a sentence such as 'you have 0 items in your cart'. one is unlikely to mistake 0 for o. -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[ADMIN] Re: [WSG] Your email requires verification verify#kdWfF4HBUy_SYGJC5A3KzB6MKspDh3nM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do I keep seeing emails asking to verify my email address, I hit reply and boom I see my reply come back to me via the list. I also wondered why I kept seeing so many others like this with different peoples names. Now I understand that they too are doing as requested and hitting reply, and then again it shows up in this emailed list. Admin message: Please do not reply to messages like this that you see come through your friendly neighbourhood mailing list. Your response will not go back to the foolish sender who does not know how to operate the whitelist software they have installed, but instead will increase the annoyance factor of the rest of us by returning to the list. Thats the way reply-munging mailing lists work. Messages like this are sent via people with enough brains to click the button and subscribe to the mailing list, but not enough smarts to figure out how to add the mailing list they asked for to the whitelist software they chose to install. If you must install these silly things can you please take the time to add the mailing lists you subscribe to yourself? Rest assured that most of us are adding you to a blacklist for running such a beastie. warmly, Lea ~ why, yes, it has been an aggravating day! How did you guess? ;) -- Lea de Groot Core Member ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
ADMIN: Thread Closing Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again
On 27/02/2006, at 7:23 PM, adam LEAPER wrote: who was this whole msg about, sunny? or what, or he started it about some1 else Thats ok - I don't think we need to name names. mutters some legal mumbo jumbo Going once, going twice... If no one has anything good to add, I think we can close this one? Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Member ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again
On 27/02/2006, at 1:16 PM, SunUp wrote: I will now be a good little backyard hobbyist web-designer as they called me (actually, it's my day job too), and never mention standards again. completely gobstopped These guys are professional service providers? If the tone of the message was as bad as it sounds I'd consider forwarding it to senior management there! Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again
On 27/02/2006, at 4:08 PM, Ben Buchanan wrote: Not to mention the fact that the people who implemented those bohemoths can't always separate standards advice from personal vilification - no matter how polite, rational, independently verfiable... I think its important to understand that, for a lot of people who actually work on a site, when you say your site doesn't validate/ isn't accessible/ doesn't work in my browser what they hear is your skills are no good / you don't know how to do your job/ say goodbye to that next payrise It takes incredible tact to tell people what a problem is without making it feel to them like a personal attack - and I don't know about you, but I'm a geek; tact isn't on my strong list :) I'm not saying don't confront - no way! But I am saying that if you can't reach the right audience (the people who sign off on the bills, quite often, not the developer) then don't be surprised when they act like you have hit them in the face with a wet fish. Actually, Sunny, have you thought about maybe you hit a home run and got all the guy's hot buttons? Maybe (s)he knew all those things were a problem and couldn't bear them being brought up by (cough, splutter) a *customer* g Lea ~ although I still can't believe the gall of a response like that: 'your problems with our site are your own problem.' Amazing! Can you imagine going into a supermarket and, upon asking for help finding the eggs, being told that the supermarket layout is your problem; find them yourself? g -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A hand with text wrapping around images in CSS?
On 06/02/2006, at 5:30 PM, John S. Britsios wrote: I would like to ask here, if there is a possibility making my texts wrap around the bottom of my images here http://www.webnauts.net/redesign/test.html, without becoming rubbish when resizing the page. We've discussed this one before (a long time ago - I remember because last time it was me who asked :)) and concluded that it can only be done by including the IMG element in the HTML and floating it. If anyone has thought up something since I would love to hear it, as I go for this effect all the time. :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Background-Image download order
On 02/02/2006, at 9:59 AM, Todd Baker wrote: We are finding that the background images for our main navigation are downloading last and as such the white text is unreadable untill the background arrives .. almost last. The list that drives this is right at the topm of the source code. I've always found the download order somewhat unpredictable, particularly cross-browser. Generally the image you want most drops in last (I think its related to that butter and bread falling thing) Just to be a naysayer, have you given consideration to the accessability issues of background images being Important? Derek Featherstone's CSS Background Images: Naughty or Nice? discusses it nicely. http://24ways.org/advent/naughty-or-nice-css-background-images (Hi Derek!) Hope that doesn't make you scream too much :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] No style
On 31/01/2006, at 4:59 PM, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: Let's say I have my global style sheet where I style my ph1 etc. but on one page I have a div with id #editableArea I want that div to have no style applied that is defined in the style sheet, is that possible? You would have to undefine any styles applied to it - basically, there is no such thing as 'unstyled' in the sense you use it, you just have to unset everything that has been applied to it. The easiest way to do that, I think, would be to open the page in Firefox, open the DOM Inspector (Under 'Tools') and navigate down to the element of interest. The view 'computed styles' under the icon at the top left of the right hand pane, and examine what it has. You would have to change such things as colours, margins, font-size - everything listed there. Bear in mind that some things are set to 0, some to 'none' and some to 'normal' (Oh for some commonality!) HIH Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
On 31/01/2006, at 8:39 PM, Paul Collins wrote: Just wondering if there is such a thing as a header tag for a HTML list, ul or ol, such as the TH tag or the Summary tag for a table? No, sadly. The only way to 'associate' a header with some following content is to wrap the set in a div, or similar: div id=thisweek h2The following are the days of the week:/h2 ol liMonday/li liTuesday/li liWednesday/li ... /ol /div Wouldn't h2 for=mylist/h2 ol id=mylist/ol be nice? :) Who's got the ear of the W3C? ;) Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] list's with header text
On 31/01/2006, at 10:54 PM, Patrick Lauke wrote: It's not really a scalable solution, IMHO. Possibly true, but it doesn't make the concept entirely useless. As someone already mentioned, the source order should be enough to inform what the heading refers to, without the need for explicit association. Generally, yes. Its certainly what I use ATM. I guess we're all just looking for that magic bullet :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: ADMIN Moral High-horse - was Re: [WSG] Failed Redesign and the Media
On 01/02/2006, at 4:54 PM, Ray Cauchi wrote: Can someone pleeese just put this thread to its death? There are much more important things going on in this list...this is a waste of space... No, its important that we define what behaviour is correct and acceptable in the community we are building. But, at the same time, I think we've wrung all the value out of this one - the thread's not closed, but 'me toos' won't add any value. Be sure you are offering something new before you bother... default to 'I shouldn't bother' warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot, Admin hat tilted jauntily Core Group Member ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A Question of Slices
On 30/01/2006, at 4:35 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/remix/remix_bg.jpg Interesting - its a fixed size image. Why slice at all? Drop the whole image in as a background, then use a px measurement on the content for margins to make sure it stays in the alloted space. The reason I normally slice is because I will have some portion in the middle repeating - this doesn't appear to be the case here? Are there any other reasons for slicing that I am overlooking? warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A Question of Slices
On 30/01/2006, at 8:14 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/remix/remix_bg.jpg The plan is the very back (the textured back ground) is the container_bg, the cards are the content_bg, and my question was on properly slicing up the tabs along the right side of the cards, for use as navigation, Ah, my apologies - I didn't even *see* the tabs :( I think my first attempt would to cut the image into 5 pieces: - the entire left hand side - top right hand piece, including top tab - 2 x middle tabs, out to right hand edge of image - bottom right hand piece, including bottom tab. This gives the minimum number of pieces to apply to elements. Hmmm... although thats going to make the anchor over the large pieces difficult... OK, second try: I would cut it into 6 pieces: - the left hand piece, to the edge of the top piece of paper - the right hand piece, from that edge to the right hand edge of the image *and do some clever editing so the tabs dont appear* - then one piece for each tab. This would overlay the large right hand piece I assume the tab sticking out further is the current one - a separate image for that. Not sure if I would make the list item containing the tab the size of the larger tab or the size of the smaller one, I would have to experiment. Does that help more? :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A Question of Slices
On 30/01/2006, at 11:48 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Does this also beg the question, are the tabs to small? looks again and thinks Possibly. Its more about the contrast - the shadow of the top page goes over the tab, moving it to 'dont notice me' Yes, I think making the tabs bigger is the obvious solution - hope you can do it without ruining the image. BTW - beautiful work! Wish I could do graphics like that! :) (I have to subcontract to get that quality :)) and I think we're off topic now - please dont start a big thread about the size of the tabs. Consider whether your response could be sent offlist (I had to send something onlist in order to say this!), but I'm sure Chris would love your opinion and suggestions! Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia Core member, too! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels
On 29/01/2006, at 8:57 AM, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: [Add] [Edit] [Delete] Folder 1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]SubFolder 1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]SubFolder 2 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]SubSubFolder 1 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]SubSubFolder 2 [Add] [Edit] [Delete]SubFolder 3 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] Folder 2 The other option, from an interface point of view rather than standards/semantics, is selection: [ ] Folder 1 [ ]SubFolder 1 [ ]SubFolder 2 [ ]SubSubFolder 1 [ ]SubSubFolder 2 [ ]SubFolder 3 [ ] Folder 2 [Add] [Edit] [Delete] The main 'hard choice' with that layout is 'radio button' or 'checkbox'? Just an option :) HIH Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Google HTML Check
Interestingly, Google has run a check on the use of HTML elements http://code.google.com/webstats/index.html I haven't finished reading it, but I am depressed already. Missing alt tags, pervasive table tags... the indicators of poor structure go on. tries to look on the bright side Well, at least it means lots of work for us, fixing the world's problems! :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
On 04/01/2006, at 6:29 PM, Vicki Berry wrote: With a bit of fiddling I can put a whole list in one table row and get the prices to align (might work as long as everyone views in the same sized browser window so there is no wrapping! Ha!) but then I lose the association between each item and its fee - or don't I? Is there another way to do this (using ids perhaps?) where I can achieve what I need to do? I can't simply put each item and price in its own table row, because then I can't keep the list. Can you show us an example of what you have so far? It does sound like it should be a table, IMHO. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ordered lists inside data tables
On 05/01/2006, at 1:04 AM, Vicki Berry wrote: http://www.mrc.wa.gov.au/services/fee_schedule.html The first decision to make is: is the numbering part of the content? By this I mean does it have to be exact - if this is legislation then you may well have to ensure the numbers appear, then you have to write them into the content, rather than adding it with css. If this is the case, then a lot of your issues go away, as you don't have the issue of 'is at an ordered list or a table'. I think it is a table, however if you really want to make it an ordered list, I would think that something like: hnNon Compacted Waste/hn ol liTrailer 1.8m x 1.2m or less (per wheel of truck or trailer)span class=price17.10/span/li liTrailer larger than 1.8m x 1.2m (per wheel of truck or trailer) span class=price17.10/span/li /ol span.price { float: right; width: 4em; text-align: left; } ** caveat: untested ** would allow you to float the prices right while associating them with the item. HIH Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 10/12/2005, at 1:20 AM, matt andrews wrote: Hi Lea, I completely agree. Google have somehow developed a blind spot when it comes to meeting even the basics of current web standards. As an exercise, I just threw together a valid version of the Google Search page: blog entry: http://tbp.xomerang.com/?p=18 example page: http://xomerang.com/testpages/google/validGoogle.html Hey, cool stuff! :) I thought about doing that, but decided I didn't have time. Interestingly, comparing the two pages in http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ shows the original is *slightly* lighter (but I bet you could beat that by removing more carriage returns, same as the original) Hmmm... the javascript isn't there... I wonder if it would add much weight - I wonder if its reused on other pages. I don't think the comparision is valid without it. :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 08/12/2005, at 5:35 PM, Bert Doorn wrote: Just thinking Google may fall into this category as it's obviously script driven. Yeah, its probably mostly that - they are back end coders and aren't aware of the front end issues. But - this is *Google*!! They are hiring the best of breed. I can't believe that no one over there has ever come across WaSP et al. :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 08/12/2005, at 10:29 PM, James Ellis wrote: Having a valid frontend has nothing to do with whether an organisation attempts to be socially responsible. I'm sure there are heaps of slightly dodgy organisations out there that hire programmers who understand standards. See, thats where I differ - I think that to say 'we do this other stuff thats Good, so we don't have to worry about something as trivial as Web Standards'[1] undermines all our work, which we like to think makes the world a Better Place. By declining to support Standards they implicitly state that it isn't important, and as I think it Is important, I feel they are not doing good, they are doing... that other thing ;) By being a big company (and by golly by market valuation they are absolutely Huge these days!) they implicitly make a massive statement about the value of something simply by ignoring it :( Lea [1] And, I must point out, in fact, they don't say any such thing - as usual they don't say anything at all about the matter. No one knows why they've never spent the 2.5 hours required to bring at least the home page up to standards... Lea de Groot -- Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 09/12/2005, at 12:20 AM, Al Sparber wrote: But if I were you, I'd get in touch with Google and really lay into them about this :-) What, when I can whinge on a mailing list? No, no - I'm leading open and earnest discussion, honest I am ;) OK, OK, I'll try to figure out what email address to use later today :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
ADMIN - thread closedRe: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?
On 09/12/2005, at 2:42 PM, Joshua Street wrote: .htaccess maybe? Yep, the syntax is: AddType application/x-httpd-php .html .htm .whateverExtension This part of the thread is closed, please - we're way off topic! warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Core Group Member ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] *Why* doesn't Google validate? was New logo scheme was talking points for standards
On 08/12/2005, at 12:54 PM, Paul Bennett wrote: Trolling? Well, it isn't the first thing that occurred to me! I've often wondered why it is that Google doesn't validate. I mean its not as if they were just a couple of errors, and we could all just shake it off - they are no where near validating. Lets just look at the home page (although I'm not aware of any of their other products that are an improvement). 51 errors - *51*! On around the same number of lines of markup! For a company with the motto of 'do no evil', its embarrassing no less, and they should pick up their act. Can anyone think of a single sane reason why their pages are nowhere near compliant? Lea ~ why, yes, I do like changing the subject line ;) -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] talking points for standards
On 06/12/2005, at 5:32 PM, Donna Jones wrote: Thanks again for your kind note and understanding. and, very timely, Roger Johansson at 456 Berea st has covered the same topic today - Ten reasons to learn and use web standards [http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200512/ ten_reasons_to_learn_and_use_web_standards/] If thats not a set of headers for an agenda to run through with the client, then I don't know what is :) Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **