This is not the place to discuss such problems.
This mailing list is to be used for discussions
based around Web Standards.
I don't disagree, but darn, web standards related or not I was curious to
see the responses. :(
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i would not suggest to use h1 for our news cause what benefit
I agree. That was just for demonstration purposes... I would certainly
suggest using whatever heading would be appropriate and semantic. I didn't
have that info so I created a new document and dropped the news in just so I
could
Hi Essential,
Hi, it is going to be a list of news events and
will hopefully when I figure it out print the info
to RSS that's why I was thinking of the DL so it's
just a list of some events rather that full news?
I'm sorry, I guess I don't realy understand what you're after. I mean I
Hi Essential,
h4News Title/h4 (h1, h2 and h3 are already being used within the page
for heading and sub heading)
p class=news_dateNews Date/p
p class=news_contentNews Content/p
That works. You might be able to get rid of that what-will-be-repetitive
news_content class if you wrap the thing
Don't avoid using a headline level just because
it's already being used within the page.
Good call, Paul.
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element is optional, they may be the same or
different as shown, and the cite attribute itself is optional, used only
when the quote, as you say, is scraped from another site. :)
Hope that helps.
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Hi Anton,
My idea with inner span:
CSS code:
li { color: red; }
li span { color: blue; }
As far as I know that about as good a solution as it gets. I'm not aware of
another way to get the job done.
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I can offer this, though I'm not sure if it meets your needs.
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Hi Ben,
I've always used label arount input fields [...]
I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it.
Here's one for you:
http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=254
I haven't been paying attention to this, and someone's probably already said
it (if so, sorry), but it's also worth
-that-be might be
for the general good.
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Hi eBiz,
In this article [1] I explain the how-to a bit and offer some additional
solutions. Perhaps you could integrate those code snippets in your order
form.
[1] http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=220
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Hi Joseph,
?php
// check the answer
if ($_POST['human_verifier'] != 'blue')
{
// incorrect
echo 'Robot! Get out!');
}
else
{
// correct
echo 'Welcome, Human.';
}
?
You can make that a little more foolproof by setting the case of the text
before matching, upper or lower it doesn't matter, but
Hi Jason,
I have a client that wants me to write his navigation mostly as a picture
and then use
image maps to get to the actual links.
That's not necessarily an inaccessible method, not completely anyway. Take
my MapPop [1] for example. It's a list and CSS driven. works with keyboard.
On lists like these, newbies can become gurus. And the cycle unselfishly
gets repeated. :)
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Should we design for 800x600 screens
Design for? Not necessarily. Accommodate? Yes.
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Hi Chris,
bandwidth. However standards are still a concern, what perils of wisdom
for using a full-page BG can the list cultivate?
Hard on those with a slow connection, but I cannot foresee another issue
unless the background is a big animated GIF ;-)
You can offer a removal tool for
Hi Bob,
I have run into a problem with having two adjacent
links at the top of a page.
You can use a list as someone mentioned, you can also add a hidden
character. Example:
div id=sitelink
p
[a href=sitemap.htmlSite Map/a
span | /span
a
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Hi Venkatesan,
Is there any chance 'img' can be a parent of 'anchor' tag?
How about this then:
a img, img a {
text-decoration : none;
}
This is a fuller version with some interaction as a usability enahancement.
img, a img, img a {
text-decoration : none;
border : 2px solid #ccc; /* try
it should be:
a img {
}
Ah, yeah, duh, sorry can't do img a. Drop that from my previous example
please. It's late, I'll Tweet my goof and go to bed :)
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Hello Rob,
facing the great problem of trying to make
the screen look like print.
Good point. I had that issue with a site I recently made. The client wanted
every entry to look like it did in print. For example, the print version
used uppercase headings. The client was adding this content
hope this helps.
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I don't recall who had asked for the link, but I have finally launched the
WCAG 2 implementation site that was mentioned. Info about it as well as a
link to the site can be found here: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=221.
Cheers.
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I didn't know robots text
was important for accessibility, however I learned from the
accessites team that it is.
Tee,
The reasons we (Accessites) look for a robots.txt file is because it keeps
honest bots from wasting their time and your bandwidth indexing
directories/files you don't want
That seems incredibly arbitrary when a robots.txt is purely optional -
especially as the default spider behavior is to index all unless told
otherwise. So you're penalizing people by having your robot behave in the
opposite manner? And regarding PICS labels, most people don't know how to
set them
first) titles.
2) Make sure your site is accessible (*standards required here).
3) Interesting, well-written content. Offer something.
4) Concise meta descriptions.
5) Give it time and your steady effort.
Price for that advice:
Free.
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Hi Thomas,
One thing I noticed was some oddness with :hover behaviour
I remember when IE7 came out (RC1 I think) I had to add [1] a:hover {} to
the head of my documents else it didn't work at all. I added it within my
@import statement with empty braces, like this:
style type=text/css
Hi Jason,
yes I do.. You can do the same thing with pictures it's really a cool
effect, and helps maintain the ratio of the entire page pretty well..
I have a demo up (Currently using php to process the size of the image)
if anyone wants to look: HTTP://www.raoset.com/dev/global7/
I don't
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx
That's awesome. A unified industry can move forward. Those who want to
embrace it will get with the program, and those who don't can stay in
IE7-ville until... well, until they get with the
Hi Matt,
I guess I would prefer verbose and have them fill the
form out once than have them have them misinterpret
and have to fix errors, [...]
I agree.
[...] which I imagine can be tedious
using a screen reader. Is this the case?
Can be a horror show. My understanding is that client
Hello all,
I am looking for a volunteer to check out a web site for me. I need another
set of eyes. This volunteer needs the following:
1) Access to an extra wide viewport (beyond 1024).
2) A solid knowledge of CSS so if a bug is found, together we might be able
to find a fix (you will be
Hello all,
Thank you to all who volunteered. I owe you one :)
I did actually extend the invitation to three people -- more the merrier,
right?
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that the following legend is
superflous and prevents logical grouping.
fieldset
legendRequired/legend
label for=nameName (required) input name=name
label for=emailEmail (required) input name=email
/fieldset
I agree, actually. With that example (and the image one I gave) using
Hi Tee,
I suppose I can turn off the server-side validation if client-side
validation is used, but I am concerned with the accessibility issue
You can have it both ways. The JavaScript can work before anything is even
submitted to the server (very AJAXy) so the server-side validation isn't
Do I:
a. Use the b tag, or...
b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS?
I'd use span, b is deprecated
Actually it's not deprecated, not in HTML 4, 5 or XHTML 1. If ever there was
a case for the use the 'b' element, this might be a good one.
---
Strong is important so, as Rachel stated,
Hi Rachel,
I'd be very interested in reading your article when it's ready
For better or worse, it's published:
http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=254
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Hi Thomas,
In HTML4 it's a font style element on the line with b and i etc
I guess I've always considered it a font-sizing element more than a styling
thing, though the final result is a visual style. I've always felt it has a
meaning of being less important than the surrounding text. An
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Hi Rachel,
I'd be very interested in reading your article when it's ready
For better or worse, it's published:
http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=254
Cheers
Hello Thomas,
One of your examples:
p
iWhy does this semantic markup stuff have to be so unclear at times/i,
he thought.
/p
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use:
p
qWhy does this semantic markup stuff have to be so unclear at times/q,
he thought.
/p
...since it's quoting a person's
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I don't think the break use has any bearing on the accessibility of the
form's elements so that doesn't seem to have bearing on my decision. No
negatives
I don't use display:block, most of the time I float everything and use
the label to clear.
Depending on the width of the labels I may use text-align:right; to move
the text in the label toward the text box.
I also set the widths in EMs, to avoid the text to wrap if it grows. With
the fieldset
fwiw, I think BRs are the perfect fit.
I agree. :)
Mike
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actually take away from the form.
Just like a p doesn't need a td, a label + input combo doesn't need an
li.
Old conversation, I know, but I just had to chime in.
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Hello Thomas,
How does screenreaders treat using just
labelinput//label?
I'm writing an article on just that thing now. Jaws is okay with it, but
Windows Eyes chokes on it. That in itself may not be too-too important due
to the number of users, but I'm 99.99% sure that Safari on Mac users
Hello Christian,
I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an FAQ
[...]
definition list is probably the most appropriate
My vote is in favor of a DL. I feel it is absolutely the most appropriate
element to use in such a case.
Cheers.
Mike Cherim
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Hello Naveen,
help me to get an autostretch rounded css rectangle.
Would this meet your needs? It can be a rectangle if you want.
http://mikecherim.com/experiments/css_smart_corners.php
Cheers.
Mike Cherim
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Don't forget, with all the best barriers in place, one can always transcribe
the content so the only real solution, as James wrote:
If you don't want information copied from
your web page then don't put in on the web. period.
Holiday cheers.
Mike Cherim
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or ID [1], or assign
it to a parent [2].
--
[1]
a class=foo href=/Foo/a
a.foo {
your : styles;
}
--
[2]
p class=fooa href=/Foo/a
p.foo a {
your : styles;
}
--
Make sense?
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Hello Tate,
I'm in the process of representing the date in Roman Numerals. I'm
concerned this may confuse potential users, and would like to display
an optional tooltip in the standard Gregorian format. Would it be
considered semantically appropriate to make use of the abbr tag?
Or
within the paragraphs, perhaps
adding a strong tag to the number to show importance (that is officially
what strong is for).
My secondary suggestion would be a DL as I wrote, but again with the numbers
added in as content.
Respectively,
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Hello Simon,
How should I code less than and greater than
signs in UTF-8 encoded HTML?
The quick brown fox said 3 is less than 4, then he wrote 3 4.
The quick brown fox said 3 is less than 4, then he wrote 3 lt; 4.
Greater than, , is written as gt;
Cheers.
Mike Cherim
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Hello Howard,
some form templates
Any help focusing my search?
I can offer a demo form [1] and a post about some (hopefully) best practices
[2]. There is also an accessible form builder [3] at Accessify.com. No
templates per se, but maybe these will be helpful.
[1]
Hello Rob,
I don't have (or know how to have) a structured
system of building my style sheets.
Maybe this will help?
A CSS Starter File
http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=109
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a full div.
That's my take on it anyway.
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Jixor - Stephen I wrote:
Mike check out the example I posted earlier and you
can see how it can be done without all the extra markup.
I need a link please.
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Thanks. That's clever and simple.
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I'd appreciate any comments that would help me improve
this tool:
http://tjkdesign.com/articles/z-index/teach_yourself_how_elements_stack.asp
That's really cool Thierry :-)
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Thank you.
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If an image is purely for presentation then use CSS
and apply it as a background image.
I personally don't think of this as some hard-and-fast rule, or even a
rule-of-thumb since it's often impractical. I will often apply a decorative
or supporting image for visual purposes, but if I have to
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Hi!
Mike at Green-Beast.com skrev:
I offer that in my contact form. It's a config option. The contact form
owner can enable/disable offering a get-a-copy option to his/her visitors
Good point, Patrick. I'll certainly consider offering
a checkbox as a UI option for 'send me a copy of
the contents of this form'.
I'd certainly be interested if this could be done in
php by assigning the user's mail address as a
string, then posting to it. Anyone done that?
I offer that
, 2007 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
My personal policy is to never put an email address on the web unless it's
written out using plain text
The problem there is that, quite often, you don't have much control over
things like web-based email
(using server
side tech or JS), though it is accessible.
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[1] Somewhat effective but not completely:
http://mikecherim.com/experiments/php_hide_email.php
[2] So far so good (knock-on-wood):
http://mikecherim.com/experiments/php_email_protector.php
doing a project for my website development course.
now, part of the requirements says that i need to
create a story board to represent what content is
to be displayed on each page.
Hello Marvin,
Could something like this possibly work for you?
http://green-beast.com/autorun/
There are some
Better yet, since not everyone can see, lets require
all publications to include a braille copy
Copyrighted publications in the US are copied to Braille for the most part
(with copyright holder's permission) by the Library of Congress.
I want to visit the summit of mount everest... I suppose
Hello Cole,
I'm a little confused: are TITLE attributes required
for a href navigation elements? Won't screen
readers verbalize the contents of the wording
between a href tags?
They will read the linked text and a screen reader user will normally turn
off title expansion (I think it's off
Hi John,
With your labels set to display: block, you don't realy
need the extra br at the end of each one. ;)
You're right, of course, but I think it's a good idea to keep the breaks.
Not everyone supports styles so the breaks keep the form neat without them.
My 2 cents.
Cheers.
Mike Cherim
or look like a heading you can change that in your style
sheet while keeping the semantics intact.
Cheers.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:25 PM
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How about this: http://mikecherim.com/experiments/css_map_pop.php? This
could be adapted easily I think.
Cheers.
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to these is that they are both server-side scripts so they
don't require that the user have JavaScript enabled in addition to cookies.
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Users can choose to open a new window or tab if they want to (though many
will need to be taught this). If the choice is made for them by implementing
the target attribute, the power of choice and preference is taken from them
and it's irretrievable.
Personally I prefer links to open in the
Richard Ishida wrote:
It's annoying that it doesn't work so well in Opera,
but I'd rather give the problem to Opera users than
IE users. This also seems a much more sensible
approach. I guess I should contact Opera and see if
we can't get this 'fixed'.
I'm bummed it doesn't work as well in
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
I came up with this:
http://www.tjkdesign.com/lab/button.asp
But it requires to move the text out of the button :(
I'm sort of just catching the end of this, but are you guys talking about
something like what I did on my daughter's blog [1]?
[1]
. As far as I know the only element that offers nothing but air is
the lowly span.
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confirm). If this
is indeed a fact, some users would miss them which might confuse the form's
use even more.
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Katrina wrote:
I note that in Mike's example, he using
a br / in order to achieve a block-level
style visual. Surely that should be avoidable?
http://green-beast.com/gbcf/gbcf_form.php
Certainly it would be avoidable using label { display : block; } but I
wanted the form to retain its
address:br /
input type=text id=url name=url value=http://; /
/label
/fieldset
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Paul Novitski wrote:
What if it were simply the word required?
pEnter your contact information:/p
fieldset
legendRequired:/legend
label for=nameName:br /
input type=text id=name name=name value= /
/label
Mordechai Peller wrote:
Interesting; but what if you need (as is commonly
the case) non-required fields interspersed with
required ones?
Optional I suppose. Just group them accordingly using the technique.
fieldset
legendOptional:/legend
labelPhone
input [...] /
/label
: optional foo blue
:-)
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Terrence Wood wrote:
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
A likely candidate might be putting the
word in the in the label.
which will bring us back to doe. doe a deer,
a female deer [from the sound of music]...
I said:
How about just including (required) on the
end of each label
.
dfn title=Require field*/dfn
But the same issue applies to DFN as it pertains to the expansion of
titles -- I think.
That's my two cents, anyway. I'll be interested in what others have to say
about this.
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Karl Lurman wrote:
How am I going to highlight the label input
pair without a container div? A fieldset?
Hello Karl,
I will add a div or paragraph to a form if needed. A division in the form
normally marked by color or a border is okay (as that slight meaning will be
carried by the Div in
Good morning :-)
I should have expanded my example a little more since I do use the for
attribute in labels, even when directly (implicitly?) associated:
form
fieldset
legendSend us your contact info/legend
pFields marked with * (asterisk) are required./p
label
David Dorward wrote:
Why not?
In response to... Stuart Foulstone wrote:
The for attribute should NOT be used when
the label tag encloses the label text.
My question exactly. I can't see that it is in any way harmful.
Cheers.
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David Laakso wrote
Notepad.
Me too. In my head I establish the looks of the design have a feel for
colors, and know of some images, or a good idea of what I want in the end
anyway (I can see the final product in my mind's eye), but I don't mock it
up. I go right to Notepad and begin the
Mariusz Nowak wrote:
And other way - where it is written in
specs that forms cannot contain tabular
data? I would never use tables for anything
else as for tabular data.. and it may
happen that form constitutes tabular data.
In such case I think we should use table
element to structure
Sander Aarts wrote:
Does a form not have a sort of QA going on then!?
Hello Sander,
If one tries hard enough, it seems anything can be considered a list of
sorts.
For example: A web page is a list of headings and content paragraphs, but we
wouldn't use a list to layout an entire web page,
Felisimina wrote:
We are trying to put together a map of
Australia where the states appear on
hover and are clickable.
As I understand it, the hover state can't
be used in area so I wonder if there is
a way to display the States on hover
without using javascript?
Hello Felisimina,
.456bereastreet.com/archive/200701/styling_form_controls_with_css_revisited/
Sorry if I was unclear in my previous posts. Hopefully my message is clearer
this time 'round.
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No, a form is not a list of form controls [...]
I agree. A form is not a list, nor is it tabular data. I know this was
originally a demonstration to show the lesser of two evils, but evil is evil
so less wrong still isn't right. What I don't understand is why there is
this
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
For less important, there currently isn't an
alternative, so small (albeit presentational)
may be the only option ... or just going for a
span, which is semantically just as meaningless.
FWIW, I use the small element on my blog, on my latest WordPress theme, and
for
that input to look as it does in the email.
input#amt {
border : 0;
border-bottom : 1px solid #000;
}
I really don't understand what you're asking for regarding the select at the
end.
Hope this helps.
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Hello Criag,
Just how extensive should our use of the acronym tag be?
Not very, IMO.
We have some food for thought for you at Accessites.
http://accessites.org/site/2007/02/dealing-with-acronyms-abbreviations/
Cheers.
Mike
I would really appreciate if any tell me
what is the term called semantic?
Maybe this article by Mel Pedley will help shed some light on semantics for
you, Navii. http://accessites.org/site/2007/04/semantics-why-bother/
Cheers.
Mike Cherim
http://green-beast.com
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