RE: [WSG] IE7 isn't going to CSS2
Again, apologies if this has been posted previously, but there is a somewhat kinder view of this on Eric Meyer's blog @ http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/03/21/exploring-better-standards- support/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 4:13 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE7 isn't going to CSS2 Surely the world saw this coming. I dont think microsoft will ever be able to support n e thing ever. Half of me wonders if they even have the talent to create a browser that works. the other half knows they can, but realises they wont! Shaun Johnson - Original Message Follows - From: Jamie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] IE7 isn't going to CSS2 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:26:17 - http://dean.edwards.name/weblog/2005/03/the-reason/ Apologies if this has been posted already == = This email has been scanned for Virus infection by messagelabs.com == = Shaun Johnson IT Technician Waddesdon CE School [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email has been sent from the Buckinghamshire LEA system if you have cause for complaint regarding the content of this email please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] !important via script possible?
I'm pretty sure this isn't possible, but does anyone know if its possible to add the !important declaration to a style set with script, as in: document.getElementById(mydiv).style.height = hvar + px !important; Its fine in Gecko but not IE6... Any ideas? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] !important via script possible?
Thanks for replies on this. I've got this all go in CSS now so don't need to apply !important in my script. Don't have much choice re using !important as have to mix a few things - inline height style on a block, DHTML height adjustments on this, then CSS fixes for that IE 3-pixel jog all on the same block. %%#$##$!!! Cheers :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rebecca Cox Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:35 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] !important via script possible? I'm pretty sure this isn't possible, but does anyone know if its possible to add the !important declaration to a style set with script, as in: document.getElementById(mydiv).style.height = hvar + px !important; Its fine in Gecko but not IE6... Any ideas? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] CSS Zen Garden piss take, anyone got link?
Hi all, Don't know if anyone remembers seeing a sort of rip off of CSS Zen Garden a while back? Someone did a manky looking old school design, not on the main site. I'm after the URL if anyone has it. Cheers :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Print Style Fails
Dunno if you already fixed this but I would try: Change media for print.css to screen see if its still no show. Try not using @import for it? Or possibly, ref the @import css files from root - eg /c/print.css, not c/print.css Cheers :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kennon Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 9:36 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Print Style Fails Hi, The following: ((http://www.ckimedia.com/c/print.css)) works when tested locally in firefox 1.0 on mac os 10.2.8, but when uploaded to the server it fails. What did I goof? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Hide CSS from Netscape 6?
Anyone ever found a way to do this? (besides with scripting that is) Cheers :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Please review http://www.mad4f1.com
Looks pretty good to me - I have that problem sometimes as well with footers in IE. Have not looked at your CSS, so no idea if this would have anything to do with it on your site. But sometimes, I think when you use position: absolute; bottom 0; to place your footer, if there's (for example) images with no height declared, or DHTML which adds an element into the page after onload, these heights don't get accounted for when the browser goes where is the bottom of this page to place the footer Other browsers eg Safari, Firefox don't have this issue;( If all else fails possibly try a bit of javascript to check / recalculate heights of things. Hope that makes sense - is the end of the week so I am a bit scrambled:) -Rebecca I am freelancer from INDIA... I have designed a website http://www.mad4f1.com for one of my client CSS JS HTML with NO TABLE tags to make it more search engine friendly... I tried to make it ... cross browser compatible But I am facing problem with footer in IE.. a DIV TAG with Class= footer gets overlaid. not always but sometimes. Need suggestions, feedback -- Thanks, Sachin K Nnvyjqz
[WSG] SXSW session on accessible flash on fawnyblog
http://blog.fawny.org/2005/03/13/sxsw2005-13d/ Transcript, commentary on first 30 mins or so of chat on accessible flash.. Wish I could've gone to SXSW! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Displaying hidden content when JavaScript disabled
Hi, I posted on a similar question to wai-ig (but about how this kind of DHTML is with a screen reader) and got a lot of interesting replys. The thread is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2005AprJun/0203.html if you are interested. I haven't had time to check it all out properly myself yet. But it's an interesting topic for sure:) Cheers, Rebecca -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stevio Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 9:38 a.m. To: JS-Jive; Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Displaying hidden content when JavaScript disabled I have some content that is hidden and only displayed using JavaScript. However, when JavaScript is disabled, I want to display all of the content to start with. I can do this by redefining styles within a noscript tag within the head section. Display: none is changed to Display: block for the various elements. However, my page does not then validate as being valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional code when I do this. It doesn't like the style declaration within the noscript tags. In fact, am I right in saying that . What can I do to display hidden content which will be valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional other than my solution above? Thanks, Stephen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 12/05/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Unicode in Visual Studio? For xhtml, css ?
Hi all, I use Visual Studio to author both HTML and CSS and am not sure what is the best encoding option to choose. For HTML it needs to be Unicode/utf-8 but there are 4 different Unicode encodings to choose from! Does anyone use VS and know what a good default option would be? And would you use Unicode for CSS files as well? Cheers, Rebecca
RE: [WSG] Fix for min-max in IE
Nasty Ive had this happen too;o. I think we picked one
as it was OK to do either min or max width but not both.
Maybe try giving IE the max-width with your script and then getting a
fake min-width in there with something thats the min width you want??
(like a spacer gif in an old school layout)
The site isnt crashing WinIE for me at the moment but also doesnt
seem to have a min width on there.
CheersJ
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Radford
Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2005 5:20
p.m.
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Fix for min-max in
IE
Hi all,
We have just launched a site (www.eastwoodhill.org.nz) but have
received feedback that IE for windows is crashing!!! We have figured out
that it is a bit of _javascript_ making it crash this bit of _javascript_
mimicks the CSS min-max behaviour that is needed for the navigation and for
some images that have captions underneath them such as the one on the home
page.
Below I have pasted the script that Ive
used, but I was wondering if anyone knew of any other solutions to this problem
(other than going to a table-layout of course)? I really hate having to
patch up IE css support with _javascript_ functions Or if _javascript_ is
necessary, then can anyone see what could be making it crash?
Here is the script (as commonly found on Google!):
// Making IE5+/Win support CSS min/max-width/height
// version 1.0, 08-Aug-2003 written by Andrew
Clover [EMAIL PROTECTED], use freely
@cc_on
@if (@_win32 @_jscript_version4)
var minmax_elements;
minmax_props= new Array(
new Array('min-width', 'minWidth'),
new Array('max-width', 'maxWidth'),
new Array('min-height','minHeight'),
new Array('max-height','maxHeight')
);
// Binding. Called on all new elements. If
body, initialise; check all
// elements for minmax properties
function minmax_bind(el) {
var i, em, ms;
var st= el.style, cs= el.currentStyle;
if (minmax_elements==window.undefined) {
// initialise when body element
has turned up, but only on IE
if (!document.body ||
!document.body.currentStyle) return;
minmax_elements= new Array();
window.attachEvent('onresize',
minmax_delayout);
// make font size listener
em=
document.createElement('div');
em.setAttribute('id',
'minmax_em');
em.style.position= 'absolute';
em.style.visibility= 'hidden';
em.style.fontSize= 'xx-large';
em.style.height= '5em';
em.style.top='-5em';
em.style.left= '0';
if (em.style.setExpression) {
em.style.setExpression('width', 'minmax_checkFont()');
document.body.insertBefore(em, document.body.firstChild);
}
}
// transform hyphenated properties the
browser has not caught to camelCase
for (i= minmax_props.length; i--0;)
if (cs[minmax_props[i][0]])
st[minmax_props[i][1]]= cs[minmax_props[i][0]];
// add element with properties to list,
store optimal size values
for (i= minmax_props.length; i--0;) {
ms= cs[minmax_props[i][1]];
if (ms ms!='auto'
ms!='none' ms!='0' ms!='') {
st.minmaxWidth=
cs.width; st.minmaxHeight= cs.height;
minmax_elements[minmax_elements.length]= el;
// will need a
layout later
minmax_delayout();
break;
} }
}
// check for font size changes
var minmax_fontsize= 0;
function minmax_checkFont() {
var fs=
document.getElementById('minmax_em').offsetHeight;
if (minmax_fontsize!=fs
minmax_fontsize!=0)
minmax_delayout();
minmax_fontsize= fs;
return '5em';
}
// Layout. Called after window and font
size-change. Go through elements we
// picked out earlier and set their size to the
minimum, maximum and optimum,
// choosing whichever is appropriate
// Request re-layout at next available moment
var minmax_delaying= false;
function minmax_delayout() {
if (minmax_delaying) return;
minmax_delaying= true;
window.setTimeout(minmax_layout, 0);
}
function minmax_stopdelaying() {
minmax_delaying= false;
}
function minmax_layout() {
window.setTimeout(minmax_stopdelaying, 100);
var i, el, st, cs, optimal, inrange;
for (i= minmax_elements.length; i--0;) {
el= minmax_elements[i]; st=
el.style; cs= el.currentStyle;
// horizontal size bounding
st.width= st.minmaxWidth;
optimal= el.offsetWidth;
inrange= true;
if (inrange
cs.minWidth cs.minWidth!='0' cs.minWidth!='auto'
cs.minWidth!='') {
st.width=
cs.minWidth;
inrange=
(el.offsetWidthoptimal);
}
if (inrange
cs.maxWidth cs.maxWidth!='none' cs.maxWidth!='auto'
cs.maxWidth!='') {
st.width=
cs.maxWidth;
inrange=
(el.offsetWidthoptimal);
}
if (inrange) st.width=
st.minmaxWidth;
// vertical size bounding
st.height= st.minmaxHeight;
optimal= el.offsetHeight;
inrange= true;
if (inrange
cs.minHeight cs.minHeight!='0' cs.minHeight!='auto'
cs.minHeight!='') {
st.height=
cs.minHeight;
inrange=
(el.offsetHeightoptimal);
}
if (inrange cs.maxHeight
cs.maxHeight!='none' cs.maxHeight!='auto'
cs.maxHeight!='') {
st.height=
cs.maxHeight;
RE: [WSG] css variables
Hi Ted,
You're not thinking of these?
http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/08/31/the-constants-gardener/
Cheers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Drake, Ted C.
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2005 8:33 a.m.
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Subject: RE: [WSG] css variables
Hi Terrence
I'm not sure If I asked the question right. I'm not looking to do a search
and replace. I'm hoping to set a variable in the CSS, such as This is the
color of all selected links in the navigation. Then, the css would just set
that variable. All of the various rules would refer to the variable instead
of the actual hexdec number.
How would the regular expression do that?
Thanks
Ted
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On Behalf Of Terrence Wood
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:07 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] css variables
Drake, Ted C. said:
There was a recent spat of posts about using variables in CSS.[snip]
Ouch, my 4 rule css file now grows to 54,056 lines of rules re-writing
the #f60 code. Wouldn't it be lovely if I just had
{selectedlink} : #ffcfcf ?
There's no point using a slegehammer to drive in a tack.
I usually just use a regex: s/#f60/#ffcfcf/g
Any decent editor should handle that in one form or the other.
kind regards
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RE: [WSG] css variables
Ted,
You're not thinking of these?
http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/08/31/the-constants-gardener/
Cheers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Drake, Ted C.
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2005 8:33 a.m.
To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'
Subject: RE: [WSG] css variables
Hi Terrence
I'm not sure If I asked the question right. I'm not looking to do a search
and replace. I'm hoping to set a variable in the CSS, such as This is the
color of all selected links in the navigation. Then, the css would just set
that variable. All of the various rules would refer to the variable instead
of the actual hexdec number.
How would the regular expression do that?
Thanks
Ted
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Terrence Wood
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:07 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] css variables
Drake, Ted C. said:
There was a recent spat of posts about using variables in CSS.[snip]
Ouch, my 4 rule css file now grows to 54,056 lines of rules re-writing
the #f60 code. Wouldn't it be lovely if I just had
{selectedlink} : #ffcfcf ?
There's no point using a slegehammer to drive in a tack.
I usually just use a regex: s/#f60/#ffcfcf/g
Any decent editor should handle that in one form or the other.
kind regards
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RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
It wouldn't be anything to do with support requirements for the audio content on the site? Eg a decision not to worry about Mac support in general, not just for layout? I just did a quick check - on Safari I got the visual layout but when trying to get to an audio clip, the browser just downloaded an asf file. And IE5.2/Mac - no layout and nothing happened when clicking on the audio link. Cheers all, Rebecca -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Brown Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 2:42 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch Andy Kirkwood|Motive wrote: My interest in Mike's post is in the client-developer relationship. What swayed the client toward excluding Mac IE from stylesheet support could be beneficial when considering the merits of such an approach with other standards-aware clients. Perhaps the RNZ decision means that Mac IE is now 'browser non grata'. Hi Andy it was a while ago I did the templates, so was going from memory! I've asked RNZ about the decision, but haven't heard back yet. Will let you know. It may have been the templates were half, or mostly, done when the decision was made. But from memory it was more of a philosophical decision - ie, time to move on, as we did with Netscape 4 a while ago. Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] display: table-cell etc for IE?
Does anyone know if / when the table-mode display properties (eg display: table-row in CSS2.1) are going to be supported in IE? IE7 perhaps, or is this a bit too hopeful? Cheers ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders
Could be useful depending on the context. For example, if you wanted to show that a field was editable content (within the whole application), but not on the particular screen you are on right now (especially if the user knew that by clicking on edit or some other option they would be able to edit those particular fields.) You could even fine tune this so that if some users were able to edit a limited subset of the fields, they would only be only shown the disabled input for those they would be able to edit. As with the bananas, knowing that a shop usually has them but not today could be useful to someone. Cheers, Rebecca -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Kirkwood, Motive Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 5:20 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility: Default placeholders Hi Geoff, (To pick up on Patrick's point.) Have you come across a scenario on a website where it seems appropriate to use an input element to indicate that an option exists but cannot be edited by the user? Perhaps it's preferable to show such content as text rather than as an input? (Seems like an instance of yes, we have no bananas: yes this is an input, but no you can't.) Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] RNZFB new website - plus article in Macguide
The latest NZ Macguide magazine has a good interview on Macs and accessibility at Royal NZ Foundation for the Blind, and also some info on their new website (which uses Plone CMS) at http://www.rnzfb.org.nz/ Both well worth a look. Cheers Rebecca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] positive-discrimination === not positive and IMG properties
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Curtis Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 7:55 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] positive-discrimination === not positive and IMG properties so I wrote an htc called Alt Destroyer that will remove the alt text in IE for images that are successfully loaded. Not stress tested, but so far works like a charm to prevent ugly alt popups in IE. --- Will this also prevent the alt text from being available in say the JAWS screen reader, (which uses Internet Explorer), when the user has javascript enabled? Or is it just the tooltip behaviour not the alt content which is removed by the htc ? Cheers, Rebecca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Screen reader friendly show/hide dhtml
Hi all, I've got a couple of questions regarding DHTML and how to ensure content is accessible usable via screen reader. Say you have a web page with a link to Subscribe to updates - when the user hovers on the link, a form would be displayed below (standard dhtml show/hide). The form would be in the HTML source on page load, hidden using CSS. My questions on this are: 1. If we displayed the content on focus as well as on hover, would this make it screen reader usable? 2. Alternatively, we could make clicking on the link (rather than, or as well as, on focus) display the content and take you to it (ie use an anchor on the page). 2. Does reading out the link (for screen readers) give it focus? 3. If we had (at top of page, with the skip link) a facility to turn off the show/hide functionality, (using a cookie) would this be useful? If anyone has comments, suggestions etc they could pass on to me about this, it would be greatly appreciated:) Regards, Rebecca Cox SIGNIFY LIMITED :: the logic behind ph: +64 4 803-3211 | fax: +64 4 803-3241 http://www.signify.co.nz P.O. Box 24-068, Manners St, Wellington 250A Wakefield St, Wellington This communication, including any attachment, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete/destroy this communication; you may not read and must not copy, send on or retain any part of this communication. Please do not disclose to any third party anything about this communication. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Anyone had success using Dragon Naturally Speaking to transcribe audio files?
Hi there, I'm having a go at using Dragon Naturally Speaking (http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/preferred/) to automatically transcribe audio files (mp3 and wav). It's pretty patchy so far, and I wondered if anyone has had much success with this? Cheers :) Rebecca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Title attribute and screen readers
Hi all, I'm looking for up to date info on title attribute behaviour screen readers, especially where used on site global navigation. As an example, http://www.e.govt.nz uses fairly long title attributes for the main navigation links, and this repeats throughout the site (i.e., not just on the home page). For example, About e-govt in the left nav has: a href=http://www.e.govt.nz/about-egovt; span title=E-government enables people to use digital technology to find and use New Zealand government information and services.About e-govt/span /a Main thing I'm wondering is, with a screen reader, if reading out of title attribute text is enabled, are you forced to listen to the full title text each time it is encountered, or can you skip over it? In the above example, the title attribute is applied to a span nested inside the link, rather than to the link itself - would this make any difference? (Comparing this to phone customer support or online banking services - some force you to listen to the full spiel about each option before you can do anything, others don't - they allow you to activate your menu choice without listening to the full explanatory message.) Or are most screen reader users not using title attribute text - some time ago there was an article published suggesting most had it disabled... Would appreciate any information anyone might have on how this works! Cheers, Rebecca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Title attribute and screen readers
Thanks everyone for your replys. Cheers :) Rebecca On 10/25/07, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use keyboard controls a lot too, and generally regard the use of tabindex as a sign that a site was not designed properly in the first place. It causes a number of problems such as being unable to predict where the focus is going to go next. How can the designer predict what the user will want to do except in really trivial cases such as Google's home page? It can be utterly baffling for screen reader users because the sequence of elements is different in 'forms' mode (where tabindex is followed) and 'virtual cursor' mode (where it cannot be followed). I saw this recently in a user test on a site that sadly has to remain nameless because we are under an NDA (it only went live this year and they didn't fix it). Can you provide any examples of sites that use tabindex well? Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogier Schoenmaker Sent: 24 October 2007 20:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Title attribute and screen readers Personally, I often still use the keyboard because I'm fast with it. And I really like good tabindexes. Why do you think they are useless? Regards, Rogier. On 24/10/2007, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's concluded that title attribute is as useless as tabindex and accesskey and therefor shouldn't be used at all? Need acknowledge by your accessible mastero :) Need acknowledge from your accessible mastero :-) tee Great addition Tee, not everybody is a native english speaker :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Software to read aloud web pages (targetted at literacy issues not vision issues)
Hi all, Someone's asked me about software that will read aloud from a web page, in a user friendly way, to be used by secondary students whose reading age is low prevents them being able to access the content. I've found a few examples - anyone have experience using any of these, or other software that you would recommend? http://www.browsealoud.com/page.asp?pg_id=80002 http://www.readplease.com/ http://www.guangmingsoft.net/speakaloud/help.htm http://www.nextup.com/TextAloud/ Cheers, Rebecca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Possible to embed Flash w/out keyboard trap problems?
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote: On 13/5/09 04:32, Rebecca Cox wrote: I'm wondering if its possible to embed Flash into HTML, using only HTML (no javascript) and for this to be keyboard accessible (HTML and Flash content usable by keyboard, no keyboard trap problems, for say A-grade list at http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/) Test page: http://reb.net.nz/greed/index2.html Seems to be fine in IE, but in Firefox you cannot get keyboard focus onto the Flash without using the mouse. I suspect http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-1219 is why you can't move focus into the Flash without the keyboard. The more usual problem in Firefox is not being able to move focus /out/ of the Flash object. Just spotted http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2009/04/firefox_focus_and_actual_links_1.htmlbut this sounds as if it relies on the actionscript within the Flash itself being written in a particular way, and possibly on the javascript used to embed the flash into the HTML page. Interesting, hadn't seen that before. I'm not sure the technique is dependent on how you embed it, but it does look dependent on the JS DOM focus() method to move focus out of the Flash object. So I'd suggest the answer to your wondering is no. :( -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis Thanks. With a bit more tinkering (removing seamlesstabbing attribute and adding tabindex) I can get the focus into (but not out of) the Flash object. Cheers, Rebecca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
