Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-01 Thread Teddy Knoy
These e-mails aren't intended for me, but I keep on receiving them.
Ted Knoy

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:52 AM, tee wrote:

 Thanks David.

 I think ePub3 and HTML5 support is still not here. When converting the
 HTML5 doctype files to ePub, Sigil (an ePub editor) forces ePub2 version
 and stripped all HTML5 tags.

 Converting to mobil format for Amazon Kindle is even worse, I feel as if
 dealing with the IE6  7.


 On Jun 30, 2012, at 3:16 AM, David Dorward wrote:

  On 30 Jun 2012, at 11:04, tee wrote:
  I thought maybe I can use hyperlink for monolithic instead of adding
 3 (which will be directed to Appendix), but this often is not desirable
 because in other sections of paragraphs where citations are used, there
 aren't alway clear sentences to hyperlink.
  A hyperlink (to an aside) is the closest thing HTML has AFAIK.
  This is for an ebook project, it's different from the webpage, and the
 readers are more accustom to the footnotes, but footnote doesn't work for
 ebook format, because devices' sizes vary, and portrait vs landscape view
 affects text flow too so strictly speaking there isn't pagination.
  The example syntax given in the EPUB specification[1] is:
  html … xmlns:epub=;
 p … a epub:type=noteref href=#n11/a … /p
 aside epub:type=footnote id=n1
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Re: [WSG] HTML5 input type=date / and you

2012-07-01 Thread Teddy Knoy
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On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:57 AM, James Ducker wrote:

 The only issue I've found so far is that Safari's implementation of the
 date type sucks. It gives you little up/down chevrons which add or subtract
 one day at a time. So my working code also treats Safari as

 For me, as I make use of the valueAsDate property when it's available, it
 made more sense to check its existence directly.

 Also, Chrome's date picker is pretty annoying when you're trying to enter
 DOBs. As far as I can see there's no quick way to jump forward/backward by
 decades at a time.

 On 2 July 2012 11:11, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:

 On 02/07/2012 01:55, James Ducker wrote:


 This property is designed to solve your locale woes, and it is also an
 easy way to feature-detect a browser's native support for the date input
 type. I haven't gone through all current browsers yet, so if you do use
 this method, make sure to check that none of your browsers support the
 property without implementing a date picker.

 .valueAsDate, as you might have guessed, returns the input's value as a
 Date object. Here's a super-simple feature detect:

 if ( !myElement.valueAsDate ) {
 // Implement my JavaScript datepicker

 You can also simply test if the type of your input is reported as
 date. Older browsers that don't implement the new HTML5 types simply fall
 back to changing them - in the DOM itself - to type=text

 if (!myElement.type === text) {
 // fallback

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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-29 Thread Teddy Knoy
My name is Ted Knoy and I have been receiving your company's e-mail for some
time.  I assume that this is confidential company information so I don't
understand why I have been receiving your e-mail for nearly two months now.
You should report this to Google or change your e-mail settings.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, tee wrote:

 Hi Hassan,

 Thank you for your patient. I did figure it after my post, from xcode's web
 inspector, a feature I never used before until today.

 From the this inspector I could see the difference from the one from

 Some people are kind and patience by nature (you), some never afraid to
 show his stupidity and ignorance publicly (I'm talking about myself), and
 some are snarky by nature, which is David :-) Luckily the world is big
 enough to for everyone.


 On Sep 28, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote:

   but I have never seen an article that tells how you can test what
   elements get loaded in the mobile Safari
  Maybe the third time's the charm --
  Set up your test page and access it from your iOS device while
  *watching the server log*. Did the device request the image in
  question or not?
  Is there something confusing or ambiguous about that?

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Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Teddy Knoy
I am not part of this conversation and don't understand why I received this
Ted Knoy

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Julie Romanowski wrote:

 Mike, maybe you should have worded your question a little differently. At
 my company, we don't approach accessibility as catering to users with
 disabilities, but we work toward making applications accessible to the
 greatest number of users possible. No application will ever be 100%
 accessible, but following standards and WCAG 2.0 guidelines helps us to get
 as close to 100% as possible.

 To answer your question - Sticking to standards is not enough.
 Accessibility and usability testing are critical. At my company, we have
 both an accessibility lab and a usability lab. We have accessibility and
 assistive technology (AT) experts onsite who test using various AT, and who
 work with actual AT users to identify issues with applications. We also
 train designers and developers to identify accessibility issues early in the
 design and development lifecycle. There are several other companies I know
 of that are doing the same and so much more, such as Adobe, IBM, Microsoft
 and Yahoo.

 As for developers not caring about people with disabilities, I disagree.
 There is a large community of developers who take accessibility seriously
 and are striving to make applications accessible to people with

 -Original Message-
 From: [] On
 Behalf Of Mike Kear
 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:54 AM
 Subject: RE: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

 The conclusion I am coming to, with 5 days since I asked this and no-one
 actually saying they do ANYTHING to cater for people with disabilities,  is
 that even after all this time, no one really spends much time thinking about
 users with special needs, other than to code to standards and hope that does
 the trick.

 No one either agreed or disagreed with the proposition that sticking to
 standards IS in fact enough.

 I asked this question, wondering if someone would say 'yes we have a
 usability lab' or 'we have a consultant who runs our sites through his
 screen reader for us' or 'we have meetings before launch specifically to
 discuss' or something.   But no one has said they do anything at all for
 users with disability.

 The only responses I've had to this question are people referring me to
 documents on line that I found long ago with google.   I was interested that
 none of the people who gave me those URLS (except Josh Street) said they
 actually used the advice in the documents themselves. Josh wasn't specific
 about how he caters to people with special needs, but seems to speak with
 some knowledge so I'm assuming he caters to Dyslexics in his designs.

 I guess it's going to take another law suit like that one against the
 Olympics2000 site to get anyone to take users with special needs seriously
 and actually lift a finger to cater to their needs.

 The conclusion I'm being forced towards is that developers are basically
 saying that users with special needs will have to swim for themselves and
 it's up to them to find some software of their own to get around all the
 obstacles the A/Bs put in their way. I'm glad at least property developers
 have been forced to change that attitude.

 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, 
 ASP.NET from AUD$15/month

 -Original Message-
 From: [] On
 Behalf Of Mike Kear
 Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 11:12 PM
 Subject: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

 How to the rest of you a/b people (i.e. able bodied) cater to users with
 various forms of disability?

 Up until recently, I've tended to rely on keeping my code to standards,
 eliminating tables except for their proper purpose of tabulating data, and
 hoping that will give the accessibility level required.  Do you go to the
 step of accessing your sites with JAWS or something similar to see how the
 site works for users with screen readers?

 I remember in the 1990s when I was working at Australian Consumers
 Association ( we had someone come and bring his PC with
 JAWS. The web team all sat in the boardroom getting ever more glum looks on
 our faces as we saw to our horror how terrible our new design was for this
 poor guy. We thought we'd got a terrific new design, and were about to
 launch it, when he did this demo for us. We had to go back and recode
 This was before anyone was talking about standards though - it was back
 when the normally accepted method of laying out pages was to use tables, and
 buttons were nearly always images.  I remember being