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Is it basically an option between boot camp, parallels or virtual pc?
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clicking either =) best bet is to use on clear labelling of your form
controls not on interpreting the visual design.
for a momentary distraction on the importance of labelling see:
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with this if said font is missing?
And how does it resolve line-height issues for fonts that have a low
aspect ratio?
Personally, I would like to see some decent column support before
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relevant (to the current context)
links to appear at the top of lists - effectively shortening them
considerably. With traditional source order link lists are
essentially random and people still have to scroll through the entire
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don't really know
either way.
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It goes something like this: with a reverse source order (content
before nav) content specific links will always appear before the
current section nav ,main
Ben, this is damn fine summary.
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Is there a prevailing wisdom in this matter?
Content first? Or navigation first?
This is a jury is still out issue since nobody has comprehensive
data, just small studies and opinion
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For the record blueprint is not a google product, it's just hosted
at google code.
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Are there any safari hacks that validate and will be somewhat
permanent?
I'm curious as to why you need a hack for safari as it's a reasonably
compliant browser. What are you trying to work around?
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into the conversation by talking about how
frustrating it is when you make a mistake filling in forms, and what
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My point being that fieldset could be used to wrap label and input
pairs?
No. fieldset is to group related controls, not labels and controls.
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Surely people recognise links enough that they don't need to be told to
click every single one?
I agree. The verb ('click here', 'go to' etc) really shouldn't form part
of the link text.
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they use web bugs?
I think it is (semi) safer to say 4% of visitors to sites using
thecounter.com counters do not have javascript enabled =)
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IE6 will get buggy if you only use imports.
Are you referring to FOUC - or other bugginess or both? If there are
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9.5 Provide keyboard shortcuts to important links (including those
in client-side image maps), form controls, and groups of form
controls.
Well, technically it is a requirement of AAA level WCAG 1.0, but a
lot of experts consider
IE will give you a security alert when you try to run a script from
your hard drive. You can change this setting in IE pref's or you can
insert a 'mark of the web' to force the offending page(s) to run in
the intranet or internet zone... google it.
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/ui/js/ -- ditto
or
/ui/optionalthemename/ -- everything in here... ditto above.
I usually use some sort of server language and mod_rewrite to shorten
urls to /ui on the client side.
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#4 #5 (both point to Jared Spool's work, but there may be
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browser family to my HTML, which should be browser agnostic.
Ditto. I've been agreeing with Patrick a lot lately... I'm not a
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Nothing wrong with 'conditional comments'
I always weigh it up with the cost of CC code size plus the server trip
for the file, vs. the code size for inline '* html hacks', usually the
latter method wins.
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in the last few
years (in the .gov space at least). Well done to those designers.
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Jakob Nielsen responded to my request for clarification
Jacob has used this request for his latest article
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/within_page_links.html
Wow! there's my 15 seconds of fame. If he'd mentioned me by name I'd be
immortal! The other
interested in the thread.
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interesting url given, the running joke about shetland ponies on this
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came from. The effort required to close a window. Locate other open
browser windows and select the one I want to return to is most
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the site still have difficulty
Occams razor says choose the simplist amongst possible solutions.
Sounds like too simple is not a solution in this case.
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as graphics and part of it. This may help low vision users.
Does the you are here text refer to the image map or is there a
broken breadcrumb? If it refers to the image map maybe you need a
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Can i get a second opinion on felix's advice?
What did Felix advise?
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circumvent new windows from opening when they're not wanted.
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The way *I* browse some sites is how I built my site.
Important point: that is your browsing habit. You *can* open new
windows if *you* want or prefer it. Shouldn't you give your users the
same degree of freedom over their browsing experience.
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be a specialist type site for a
specialist audience - In the same way that I accept flash based
experiential sites are appropriate for flash designers for example.
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for you.
Aside: Perhaps the noframe content could point back to the front page
where there is the option to review each product individually.
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Herrod, Lisa would like to recall the message, [WSG] Web design
education.
What does that mean and where does it come from? Someone else sent me
one of those recently.
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navigation, and more contextual navigation is generally better for
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situated on the same page confuse users? Or, put another way ,is your
recommendation suggesting that all links must load a new document
into an
existing browser window?
Yes to both.
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to resources within a page is a convention for the web.
[1]: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/links.html#h-12.1
[2]:http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/links.html#h-12.1.1
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part of the same document.
Again, you are misquoting the recommendation. Both articles are talking
about not opening new windows.
I'm just saying that jump links are not issue free
If your opinion is based on your understanding of the USEIT article, you
are misinformed.
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the page.
Agreed. One of the basic tenents of usability is to prevent errors.
Breaking basic browser funtionality (find function) contravenes this...
The rest is fixing what you just broke isn't it?
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a marketing-oriented person would probably eat you for lunch
I doubt it. I spent over a decade in marketing =)
Besides, a solution for getting topics above the fold has already been
discussed in this thread.
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Al Sparber said:
I spent 20 years designing and building some of the most upscale food
markets in America. So let's call it a push and move on, eh?
Your foo beats mine Al =)
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by out of context - I'm guessing you are stuck on the
idea that the Q's can only appear once on the page?
And since we're talking about browser feature, what about printing the
page? ;)
Easily solved with CSS for print media.
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within the design and served a purpose then I wouldn't hesitate
to use expanding and collapsing divs. I'd add an onfocus event though ;-)
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HTH
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will have a single interaction model for web pages, but in the meantime,
not everything from the print world translates that well to the digital
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is linearized. I say avoid rowspan if at all possible.
scope, or id and headers?
Scope should suffice on simple tables (two or less heading levels, small
number of cols and/or rows), complex tables need headers and ids to work
well for the widest number of screen readers.
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and minimise requests.
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Hopkins Programming said:
[is it] better that the content all comes first?
Mark Pilgrim [1], Sarah Horton (of Web Style Guide Fame, in her latest
book) and others say it is.
Roger Hudson, WSG's very own Russ Weakley, and Lisa Miller say that it isn't.
[1]:
browser ;-)
I usually check in with htmldog to see what browser is doing what:
http://htmldog.com/ptg/archives/55.php
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When would it be impractical to use standards methods?
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leave it to the W3C to explain:
HTML 2.0
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html-spec/html-spec_5.html#SEC5.6.4
HTML 4.1
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#edef-MENU
XHTML 2.0
http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xhtml2-20050527/mod-list.html
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Seona Bellamy said:
form element is inheriting the left margin
You have conflicting id's for content. Change to the textarea's id to
something else.
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My thinking is this: A form is a device to enable user to interact
with the site owner. A table is the representation of data recorded at
discrete intervals (or some other discrete dimension).
Oh, and one more point. I'd use my 2 second
bold or something, now the only time when the text shows bold is when I
press on it.
This is the correct behaviour. a:active is when the link is clicked.
You want to set up your style for the 'currentLink' class:
a.currentLink {
font-weight: bold;
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achieve what you want.
If you don't have PHP, then you will probably at least have SSI as part of
the server. Let us know and we can proced from there.
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.. can both be removed without loss of meaning for the table.
Therefore, I recommend you not add any special markup to it.(OK maybe the
GST included part is important - put it in the caption).
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Therefore, I recommend you not add any special markup to it.(OK maybe the
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my one-second test for
layout vs. data tables which goes like this: Would I put this table
into a spreadsheet? If you answer no, then it is most likely a layout
table.
Ultimately your call though Vicki.
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can use metadata.
2. IE7 is released and taken up quickly so we can use CSS 2.1 and start
complaining about the lack of support for CSS 3.0 =)
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group of rows)
HTH, please share your discovery in 2005.
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On 21 Dec 2005, at 7:47 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote:
how to get this keyword search box any narrower in ie?
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What's the best, cross-browser supported way to setup font sizes in
CSS documents?
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FontSize
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it doesn't matter what goes on as long as it gets to the client in a
standards-compliant, semantically correct form.
Correct.
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On 17 Dec 2005, at 6:46 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Terrence Wood wrote:
Have I missed something or is this just, erm, frames using javascript
instead of a static page?
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Isn't what the OP is looking for? Being able to link to *and* frame
other
web
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Again, nothing personal Bob, this rant is for any designer who has
clients wanting that 1998 look.
And in fact, I have had off-list responses thanking me for my
contribution to this thread.
On 16 Dec 2005, at 11:44 PM, Bob Schwartz wrote:
No can do Bob. I showed you
brain is melting! Where's the search?
To be fair, if you turn off js and just use the tabs and the left hand
navigation, the site navigation is pretty good. But dropdowns? Just say
no.
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are the same height
in other words:
below the image in column 1, no background color shows
below the image in column 2, 250px of background color shows
below the image in column 3, 500px of background color shows
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performance, better user
experience, contemporary visual design, whatever, we all know what the
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On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Terrence Wood wrote:
No, I don't want you to tell them the technical reason's of why one
design is better than another.
Yes, you do.
Did you not read the rest of the paragraph above Tom? I thought it was
quite clear, but I'll put
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Good on you.
the site brings in millions of dollars a year.
Yeah, so do google and amazon, both of which are pretty laughable in
terms of visual design. And oh, pre-1998 ;-)
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in a frameset? Sure there are plenty of pron sites
that do this (so I've been told). Or try wayback machine =)
Thanks so much for any help you can give.
OK. I apologise for my somewhat cynical and jaded answer in the middle
here, but the first two paragraphs are worth expanding on.
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