Re: *** Spam *** [WSG] Best way to train someone in css and web standards

[dwain]

ask them to purchase eric meyer's books:
eric meyer on css
more eric meyer on css
cascading style sheets: a definitive guide

or you could purchase the books for your library.

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Re: [WSG] Image Thumnail Advice

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Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote:

What are they doing (or what are YOU doing) that I'm not?


i size my thumbnails from the original.

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Re: [WSG] Making a container div the same height as the longest div in it in mozilla browsers.

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Ben Wrighton - StraightForward wrote:

I know it's something to do with all the divs in the container div being
floated. If anyone can tell me how to solve it or point me in the direction
of  the relevant resource I would really appreciate it.


try this and see if it doesn't help.
http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
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Re: [WSG] Text messes up in Internet Explorer - newbie

[dwain]

Donna Jones wrote:
hi Bruce:  There are some errors in your html that may be causing it. 
Validate your code and then see what's happening.  if you don't have 
firefox installed with its webdev extension you probably should and 
that's maybe the easiest way to get to the validator.  if you need more 
help with that ask and i, or someone, would be happy to look up the urls 
for you.


here you go bruce, just in case.

css validator:  http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
html validator:  http://validator.w3.org/
html tidy:  http://infohound.net/tidy/

welcome aboard!
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Re: [WSG] Text messes up in Internet Explorer - newbie

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Bruce wrote:

Just frustrated I guess...


welcome to the club.  enjoy the ride and the education (of yourself).

dwain  :p

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Re: [WSG] Text messes up in Internet Explorer - newbie

[dwain]

Bruce wrote:
   I don't want to bother anyone, that's why I never ask, though it 
can be a

tad frustrating as everytone knows.
Will hang in there though, not ready to toss standards yet ;-)
Thanks for the feedback. Will do more searches.


bruce,
don't concern yourself with bothering anyone.  this list is here to 
help, and if you don't ask no one knows you are having a frustrating 
time of it.  i assume some members on this list live to be bothered by 
questions.  we all learn from each other's questions and answers.


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Re: [WSG] REL REV

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Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

...use a good browser ;-)


are you referring to opera? ;^)

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Re:Moose was [WSG] REL REV

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Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

Well, I use Opera, and that site is obviously focused on Opera...
I was however hinting at the fact that that page and the site is not
very IE/win-friendly.


i know you prefer opera.  it seems that this would be a good resource 
for dealing with opera problems.  i bookmarked it for that reason. 
thanks for your informative nature.



I don't think Moose care much about weak browsers.


i've been feeling the same way.  i will look at a html/css solution to a 
problem with less thought about ie these days.


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Re: SPAM: RE: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

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Peter Firminger wrote:

I often limit CMS Administration consoles to IE as I may well use an inline
HTML editor (an Ektron one for example) that invokes a dll on the client.


i thought ms was moving away from the dll.
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Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

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Dennis Lapcewich wrote:





My whole point is... why bother?  Why spend the massive amount of
time (and therefore 'the peoples' money) making it work across all
these technologies when practically everyone who is using it has
access to IE.




Given a choice, would you rather drive on a gravel road with a vehicle
using square rims and steel wheels just because the manufacturer says so,
or would you want your vehicle to have round rims with rubber tires as
required by industry standards?   :)



great analogy!!
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Re: [WSG] Longhorn Avalon - seismic shift for web standards?

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designer wrote:

Dennis,

Your analogy is invalid. More to the point: if 95% of cars had square 
rims and steel wheels, would you set up a business making  wheels with 
round rims taking rubber tyres?


Bob McClelland


as required by industry standards is the key fragment, bob.  ie isn't 
playing by industry standards that are being and have been developed; 
they are trying to lead the industry toward a standard they have set 
that really doesn't work that well.

dwain


Dennis Lapcewich wrote:




 


My whole point is... why bother?  Why spend the massive amount of
time (and therefore 'the peoples' money) making it work across all
these technologies when practically everyone who is using it has
access to IE.
  




Given a choice, would you rather drive on a gravel road with a vehicle
using square rims and steel wheels just because the manufacturer says so,
or would you want your vehicle to have round rims with rubber tires as
required by industry standards?   :)


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Re: [WSG] clearfixing

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sam sherlock wrote:


intention is to put a minimal size block below a container and have 
other containers flow below that without a great deal of space

or bumping



have you read this?
http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html

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Re: [WSG] clearfixing

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Rowan Lewis wrote:

Or how about the much simpler more correct method?

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html



is there something wrong with standards mode?

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[WSG] using scalable vector graphics

[dwain]

i am beginning to experiment with svgs and find them fascinating.  the 
problem i have found with using them is they will not validate because 
of the embed tag.  i'm not sure at this point what to ask or how to 
ask it, except how to use them so they will validate.


your thoughts, resource links on use, etc. please.

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Re: [WSG] using scalable vector graphics

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Gary Menzel wrote:

Browsers that dont support SVG natively require some type of embed tag.



here is what i have.  i created an abstract graphic in illustrator and 
saved it as a svg file.  according to adobe one uses the embed src... 
tag to place the file in a web page.  the page sticks in the validator 
at the embed tag.  here is the sample page.  is there a way to make this 
page to standards using this format?


dwain

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Re: [WSG] Body tag background color changes

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Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote:

Hi All

Just wondering whether there was a way to include different body
background colors (for different pages) within the same css file.

For example #fff for page1.html, #ffc for page2.html etc.

At present I have a separate style sheet for each page that requires a
different background color.

Thanks for any ideas...


maybe give a class or id to the body of each page and style the 
background color there?


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Re: [WSG] using scalable vector graphics

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Ben Ward wrote:

Use the object tag, just like we do with Flash. The SVG mimetype
(type atrribute) is image/svg+xml so you'd have something like:

object type=image/svg+xml data=image.svg
  !-- fallback content --
/object


would the fall back content maybe be a jpg, gif or png of the svg image?



You can add width and heigh into that if you need to (though that
rather defeats the purpose of using vector graphics). No embed tags
needed at all. I can't fathom why you've been advised to use embed
at all, I must say.


when i googled the question, adobe support was one hit and they said in 
their explanation to embed the graphic in the html.


if i wanted to use this image as a background image to fit the viewport 
or container, regardless of the users resolution, how would i do this?


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[WSG] svg images

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can someone instruct me how to place a svg image as a background image 
that will validate in xhtml 1.0 strict?


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Re: [WSG] site check please

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Drake, Ted C. wrote:


Hi All
I've been working on a re-design of my web site and I know the code is 
still

rough. However, I think I could use some outside eyeballs on the design.
You know how things are when you look at it for too long...

http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html
 


very nice.  i bookmarked the page.  i liked what you had to say.  very 
inspirational.  i'll have to go back again.  overall the design works 
for me, but borders on being too busy.


ff tells me that you have some js errors and warnings on the index page. 
  didn't check the other pages for that though.


do you live where you took the photos or are you a vagabond?

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Re: [WSG] site check please

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Drake, Ted C. wrote:


Hi All
I've been working on a re-design of my web site and I know the code is 
still

rough. However, I think I could use some outside eyeballs on the design.
You know how things are when you look at it for too long...

http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html
 


p.s. the page has a horizontal scroll at 800x600 in ff.

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Re: [WSG] Firefox top margin

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Webmaster wrote:

Hi guys,
 
I'm sure this has been covered but it didn't appear in an archive search.

How in blazes does one remove the top margin in Firefox? I've add 0px margin
and padding to *, html, boday and my top DIV and still it persists.



without a link to a live page i can only guess that it's the margin 
setting on the #masthead h1.


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Re: [WSG] Firefox top margin

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Webmaster wrote:

Great guess, Dwain! You were right. I would have hoped that any margin I set
to #masthead h1 would have been applied inside #header - #masthead.
Annoying. I suppose that explcitly applying position: relative to it might
have done the trick.

Instead I've changed the margin to 0px and used padding on the h1 instead
(which is probably more correct).

Thanks muchly.


glad i could help.

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Re: [WSG] background images fluid

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Bruce wrote:


Looks like a perfect solution. At least as perfect as can be had.
Thanks to all who ansered. Funny how it can be easily done as an image IN
the banner , but not in staylesheet.


wait 'til css3 and you can use an svg image in the background, that will 
do exactly what you want.  only the browsers will have to support svg 
natively.

best,
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Re: [WSG] Need help with centering and then some

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Tom Livingston wrote:

Hello list,

Two things if you can spare a moment or two.

http://www.mlinc.com/test/trans_test_intra.html

1. Are the embedded styles here at all wacky? In Opera Mac, resizing 
the  page causes the text links to jump around...
2. If the CSS is ok, does anyone know, in FF Mac (1.0.5) and Opera Mac  
(8.02) (and possibly others) why the links are not clickable? They work 
in  Safari and IE Win(6). Off-list reply on this topic might be needed. 
I just  wasn't sure if the CSS was causing this issue...




drop down menu in ff 1.0.6 w2k sp4 works, but resize to 800x600 using 
dev tool bar and it doesn't.


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Re: [WSG] Need help with centering and then some

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Tom Livingston wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 16:12:52 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Tom Livingston wrote:


Hello list,



drop down menu in ff 1.0.6 w2k sp4 works, but resize to 800x600 using  
dev tool bar and it doesn't.


hth,
dwain



David,
only errors left involve the embed  tags and I don't know how to make  
the Validator happy with it.


if you are embedding flash type object try using object.  i was 
trying to use an svg file with embed and was told to use object; 
that made the validator happy.



Dwain,
FF1.0.5 Mac works OK at 800x600 WebDevTool setting. What stops working?  
And are the text links below the green working (and by that I mean do 
you  get the hand cursor and appear as active links)?




yes to hand cursor and active link appearance.  the drop down menu does 
not drop down at 800x600 with the dev tool bar in ff1.0.6.


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Re: [WSG] Need help with centering and then some

[dwain]

Dejan Kozina wrote:

This is what you're looking for:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/

Tom Livingston wrote:

only errors left involve the embed  tags and I don't know how to 
make  the Validator happy with it.




djn



and this does it without javascript ala bert doorn:

object data=opening.swf width=550 height=377 
type=application/x-shockwave-flash

   param name=movie value=opening.swf /
   param name=quality value=high /
   param name=bgcolor value=#fff /
 /*optional*/img src=graphics/openingflashimage.gif alt= /
 /object

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Re: [WSG] Flash and Standards

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Bruce wrote:
I'm sure this has been covered someplace, but when actually running into 
it on a busy schedule...you know the rest.
 


i've used this and it validates:

	object data=opening.swf width=550 height=377 
type=application/x-shockwave-flash

   param name=movie value=opening.swf /
   param name=quality value=high /
   param name=bgcolor value=#fff /
   img src=graphics/openingflashimage.gif alt= /
 /object

btw, check out the flashblocker extension at mozdev.org.  it gives you a 
place holder and on hover a button to run the file if you choose. 
everybody ought to have this one. ;^)


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[WSG] html design - best practices

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hello,
i've been lurking for a while and commenting occasionally, and i 
appreciate the change of venue.  i am a designer learning about 
development.  i have become more interested in web standards for the 
past year.  thanks for the post about westciv (x)html class, i feel that 
i am ready for it now.


here's my question.  i have a page with text that i want highlighted.  i 
currently have the text in atext/a and styled with css.  what is 
the best practice, semantically, to achieve this, as strong is not 
what i want, because i don't want someone to get yelled at by their 
screen reader.  i guess what i am looking to do is emphasize the text so 
it will stand out on the page and be treated the same by a screen 
reader.  is this what the em tag is for?


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Re: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]

[dwain]

Patrick H. Lauke wrote:

Hassan Schroeder wrote:


Also, consider the refactoring pain if -- when! -- you might need
to increase the granularity of your data --

is: creditMark Twain/credit

suddenly needs to be:
 credit
author
  firstnameMark/firstname
  lastnameTwain/lastname
   /author
   editor
  firstname.../firstname
   ... etc.

Much easier to work with elements in that case :-)



Absolutely! Attributes really only work for atomic data that you'll 
never want to split up any further.




thank you guys and gals for this thread.  it is putting a lot of things 
in perspective for me about document structure.


too bad brian left, i think he would have appreciated this.

dwain

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Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

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Sam Brown wrote:

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i have a page with text that i
want highlighted.  i 
currently have the text in atext/a and styled
with css.  what is 
the best practice, semantically, to achieve this, as
strong is not 
what i want, because i don't want someone to get
yelled at by their 
screen reader.  i guess what i am looking to do is
emphasize the text so 
it will stand out on the page and be treated the
same by a screen 
reader.  is this what the em tag is for?



Without knowing more about the context, I think a
span tag would be appropriate. As usually, give the
tag a meaningful class name that describes the text
being highlighted and use that consistently, and then
style the tag in CSS as needed:

span class=errormsgYou have an error in your form
input./span

style
 span.errormsg { color: red; }
/style

Do you have any specific examples?

-Sam


in a monologue i am listing book titles and i have them styled bold 
(css) in an a tag. (i.e., nag hammadi library, the holy qur'an, the 
dead sea scrolls, etc.)


does this help?  i haven't put the page up, but i can if you'd like.

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Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

[dwain]

Sam Brown wrote:
I'm not sure I would put these book titles

in a tags unless they are actually anchoring
something.


they are not anchoring anything.  strong isn't what i want and b is 
deprecated (?), so what is the practice to highlight a word or words?


i knew that i would some how verbalize my intent.

dwain

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Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

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Ben Curtis wrote:


On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Sam Brown wrote:
 From your description, it sounds like you want the b or span  tag. 
You want book titles to be bold; there is no clear tag for a  book title 
(although there was a thread earlier in the year  advocating cite I 
think), so you want a tag with semantic meaning  like span or b. Then, 
add a semantic-like class name, such as:


b class=bookTitleInnocents Abroad/b

Then style the class as you see fit.


thanks ben, i think that this is the solution.  although i said a list 
of book titles i was not meaning li list.  sometimes i have trouble 
communicating what i mean; and i've been in the communications field 
since 1976.


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Re: [WSG] html design - best practices

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Lea de Groot wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:12:24 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

in a monologue i am listing book titles and i have them styled bold 
(css) in an a tag. (i.e., nag hammadi library, the holy qur'an, 
the dead sea scrolls, etc.)



Have you seen the cite tag?
It sounds like it might be of use to you - 
http://webdesign.about.com/library/tags/bltags-cite.htm


If nothing else strikes you as semantically meningful then I would fall 
back to a span, rather than an anchor (a tags).
Personally, I only use anchors with href or name (etc) attributes, I 
dont use it on its own.


HIH
Lea


thanks lea!  that's exactly what i needed.  thanks to all who responded. 
 i want to do it with standards compliance.


dwain

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Re: [WSG] IE, Ordered Lists and width on LI

[dwain]

Rachel Radford wrote:

Hi all,
I’ve found that if I have an ol and a width specified through the css on
the li that IE doesn’t actually number the list!  They all turn up as
number 1!  Can someone explain why this would be… and does anyone know of a
way around it?  I have a bottom border on my li’s that looks very weird if
the width isn’t there…!


try putting the width on the ol.
hth,
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Re: [WSG] Teaching CSS

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Cole Kuryakin wrote:
 Hello All –
 
  
 
 My background for the past 27 years has been in design. 6 years ago I
 realized the (financial) necessity to begin learning web design. 3 years
 after that came the next leap into HTML/PHP/CSS. So far, so good – well,
 most of the time anyway.
 
  
 
 I’ve always been a one-man-band, but now I’m finding myself much busier
 than I can handle by myself so I’ve had to take on another designer who,
 while quite good at his art, has never really been fully and
 satisfactorily exposed to the fundamentals of CSS. So, I’ve got to teach
 him. And that’s the problem.
 
  
 
 While my knowledge of CSS has gotten me through each project, and each
 sheet validates, I still consider myself a “learner” as I’ve never had
 much time to really, really, really “understand” the box model and other
 fundamentals that, lord knows, I SHOULD understand completely by now.
 I’ve learned what I know just via various internet sites and through the
 help and guidance of wonderful groups like the WSG.
 
  
 
 So, I’m at a crossroads… how can I teach something that I don’t feel
 100% competent in? But the clock is ticking; clients are waiting, and my
 freelance artist is calling asking “humm, this is breaking… how should I
 fix it?” To which I respond … “Ah, humm… let me get back to you on that”
 – and a new email flies out to the good folks in this great group for help.
 
  
 
 With that lengthy pre-amble, I’ve got to ask – is there a GREAT book out
 there that steps through the learning process of CSS right from the bare
 bones that both I and my new artist can use? Not theoretical stuff, but
 hand-on, simply-put, illustrative? There are a lot of books out there I
 know, but I need a great one, that’s very specific about explaining all
 the fundamentals of the box model all the way up. I want to complexly
 stay away from books that promote or talk about css hacks however (I’ve
 been using conditional comments and IE specific sheets to deal with
 these problems with 100% success).

css the definitive guide by eric meyer.  you can get the book through
amazon or o'reilly press or another local book vendor (maybe).

hth,
dwain


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[WSG] Copyright some thought on the subject

[dwain]

The issue of copyright has been discussed on this list recently and in
the past.  I come from a photographic background as an editorial
photographer where the issue is under constant debate.

In the cyber world anyone with a web browser can steal anything from
an image to a page of code to your css and javascript files; and with a
text editor use your stuff to create their own site or dummy yours for a
phishing expedition.  Yes there are copyright laws dealing with the web,
but they are pretty much unenforceable.  A law that is enforceable
across the board and equally is a true law.  Other than that it is a
waste of time, effort, paper and money if you really think about it.

If one is a true craftsman, whether it be in the field of photography or
web design, you concentrate your efforts on making photographs or web
pages.  Do you really have the time and resources to pursue a WWW search
for a site that may be using your code or images?  It is written that
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  Is it worth your time to
invest in the search or would you rather be doing what you love to do? 
If someone wants to steal your work, they will and most of the time get
away with it.  Look at all of the pirated copies of movies, songs and
software that are available today.  The artists are still making money,
lots of it, even though this is happening.

And if you do find an infringer, do you have the resources to pursue a
legal course of action that could take years and thousands, tens of
thousands even millions of dollars to bring the culprit to justice? 
What would happen to your business in the mean time?  What would happen
to your name in the design community as you search for other clients to
work for?  Would they want to take the chance of later being sued by you
for copyright infringement?  Copyright infringement still has a gray
area and a smart lawyer can get in the gray area and beat you.  Besides,
in any legal action, only the lawyers win.

The cyber world is slowly turning to open source.  I'm not advocating
not to make a profit or give your work away.  What I am advocating is do
what you love to do, and if someone rips you off, then let the laws of
nature take its course.  What goes around comes around.

When I do a web site, I give the copyright to the client.  I have better
things to do with my time than try and make sure that they or anyone
else infringes on that work.  When I do photography work for a client
they too get the copyright.  I get paid for my work and that's that.  I
don't lose sleep at night wondering if someone is infringing upon my
copyright.

On the other hand, if you had talked with me about this issue in 1999 my
position would have been just the opposite.  The cyber world has changed
everything and made certain things archaic.

Cheers,
Dwain

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Re: [WSG] colour matching transparent png files

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On Tuesday 10 April 2007 22:13, Andrew Harris wrote:
 I specify the page background to #003366
 In photoshop I specify the starting blue of the vignette to #003366
 I also create a 20px square of #003366, set the opacity to 50% and
 save out a png24 with transparency

save it to a png8 and you should be ok.

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Re: [WSG] Template Review

[dwain]

CK wrote:

 http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php

 Hi,

 Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for
 readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any
 strange behavior.  Concerned with the absolute placement of the
 navigation and the generated content.
*separates* is misspelled under the css heading.

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[WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog

[dwain]

i'm stuck.  since i don't know php i went with 1 and 1's default blog. 
it doesn't render correctly in firefox 2.0.0.3, but it does in firefox
1.5.0 according to tech support at 1 and 1.  the calendar sticks out of
the gray div, at least on my machine.  is it just me or does anyone else
have the same visual i do?  would you check please?

there is an error in the css and the xhtml is riddled with errors.  i
just got off the phone with them and they are looking into it.

i really would like to install my own copy and have it look like the
rest of my site, but like i said, i don't know php.  i don't even know
which file to edit to add the menu on my site.  may i have some
suggestions where i can get information on which file to edit and how i
may accomplish making the blog look like my site.  i can edit the css
colors to match.  i know this is going to be another fun project and a
great learning experience.  i just want to have the same look on my blog
as for the rest of my site and i'm willing to do what it takes to
accomplish this.  here are the addresses to both.

http://blog.studiokdd.com/
http://www.studiokdd.com

any help would be appreciated.

dwain

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Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog

[dwain]

Kepler Gelotte wrote:
 Hi Dwain,

 I have FF 2.0.0.3 and your blog looks fine to me. The calendar does break
 out of the sidebar when you change the font size though. You could use a
 fixed font size for your calendar to stop that from happening although that
 it not the most accessible solution it is probably the easiest.
   
i can't make any changes to the xhtml or css for this blog because it is
under the control of 1 and 1.  that is why i am looking at using my own
copy of wordpress or textpattern.  i set my font size in firefox to 12
from 16 and the calendar still sticks out.  nothing happens to the
calendar when i increase or decrease the font size.
 As far as incorporating the blog into your existing web site, why not the
 other way around? Your web site seems to be mainly static html pages that
 you could add as links into word press. I have not tried this myself but I
 have seen other members on this mailing list who have used this approach.
   
i think i like this idea.  i have thought about adding the menu links to
the blog, but i still have the static pages.  do you have any links to
tutorials or xhtml and css examples that i can have a look see under the
hood how i need to structure the page (code) to get the content and
presentation the way i want?
 Styles are in the admin screen - Dashboard - Presentation - Theme Editor.
 You can make changes and save them there. I would suggest making another
 copy of your blog to test changes on first, preferably local on your PC
 using apache friend's xampp (Apache/MySql/Php).
   
i'll have to set up a local lamp setup to test this on my system. 
thanks for the help and advise.

dwain
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 Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:35 PM
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 Subject: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog

 i'm stuck.  since i don't know php i went with 1 and 1's default blog. 
 it doesn't render correctly in firefox 2.0.0.3, but it does in firefox
 1.5.0 according to tech support at 1 and 1.  the calendar sticks out of
 the gray div, at least on my machine.  is it just me or does anyone else
 have the same visual i do?  would you check please?

 there is an error in the css and the xhtml is riddled with errors.  i
 just got off the phone with them and they are looking into it.

 i really would like to install my own copy and have it look like the
 rest of my site, but like i said, i don't know php.  i don't even know
 which file to edit to add the menu on my site.  may i have some
 suggestions where i can get information on which file to edit and how i
 may accomplish making the blog look like my site.  i can edit the css
 colors to match.  i know this is going to be another fun project and a
 great learning experience.  i just want to have the same look on my blog
 as for the rest of my site and i'm willing to do what it takes to
 accomplish this.  here are the addresses to both.

 http://blog.studiokdd.com/
 http://www.studiokdd.com

 any help would be appreciated.

 dwain

   


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Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog

[dwain]

Chris Williams wrote:

 I am using Wordpress to power my entire site (http://clwill.com), static

 pages, integrated blog, everything, and it is hosted by 1and1.  It works

 wonderfully.

i'm using the 1and 1 blog.  they have validation problems.  i like what
you have done.  i would like to have a more custom look to the blog than
what i have.

  

 Just install WP locally on your LAMP setup, pick a theme that you like,

 and start fiddling.  If you create pages in WP, they are static,

 posts are part of the blog.  If your theme includes a home.php

 that's the front page.  If you change your header.php and or

 footer.php in your theme, you can change the look of the whole site.

i've set up my lamp.  it had wp 2.1.2 as an install feature as well as
joomla and drupal and a few other goodies. 

  

 To get an idea about how this works, just open up the theme files and

 poke around.  It's really not that complicated, most themes consist of

 only about a dozen files, all with very logical names (comment.php,

 sidebar.php, etc.).  And PHP is not rocket science, you'll get the hang

 of it in just a hour or so of poking around.  There are a bazillion WP

 templates out there (check out http://themes.wordpress.net for a few

 hundred...) from which to draw ideas.

i guess i can change the images in the header in the css.  i'm not sure
how to add the static pages unless i do away with the 1 and 1 blog and
install wordpress and start from scratch.  don't really look forward to
that, but, hey, i'd like to think i'm a progressive thinker and would
like to keep my web site abreast with the technology.  anyway, i'm going
to be taking the plunge and i'm sure i'll have many more questions as
time goes by.

  

 Using WP as your CMS system to build your whole site is a really clean,

 simple solution.  I'm a huge fan of the concept.  As for a local LAMP

 setup, I am using XAMPP (as was suggested) and it works great.

i could never get wordpress to install on xampp, in fact, i had problems
with it not finding the data base i created.  i've found a new program 
from devside.net that i'm trying.  i'm hoping for better luck with this
one and so far so good.  the only concern i have is if i create pages
with the 2.1.2 version of wp if 2.1.3 will accept the pages.  but i
might give joomla a stab as well.  i'm in no real hurry, but i'd like to
have it finished by yesterday, know what i mean?

thanks for your comments and encouragement.

dwain

  

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Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog

[dwain]

Jermayn Parker wrote:
 My biggest problem would be the font size. It is too small...

i can't edit the css or the html to my knowledge.  everything is
controlled by 1 and 1 in this situation.

i'm beginning to experiment with a local copy.  what i don't understand
is how do i get my current site pages into wordpress.

dwain


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Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog

[dwain]

Chris Williams wrote:
 As I said, none if this us anywhere near as hard as you're making it.  Go
 into the theme's directory and open up the files.  Change just a couple of
 small things and see how it changes things.  You'll quickly see that this
 isn't complex.  Dive right in.
   
i have a working copy of wp locally.  i am beginning to experiment with
the css first.  i don't know how to get the static pages i have into
word press.  may i assume that the css i have for those pages will work
when i get the pages installed?

i'm digging into the files and folders and figuring out where to place
images and pages.  is it correct to transfer my current folders into the
themes folder or do they go somewhere else?

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Re: [WSG] problem with 1 and 1 wordpress blog

[dwain]

Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
 Hello Dwain,

 To create a static page in WordPress just go Write in the admin, then 
 select Page in the sub-menu. Just use the default template probably or a 
 page template if one exists. It differs from the Post in that it becomes a 
 dedicated page and even appears on a separate pages menu.
   

thanks for all of the help.  i knew i was close to being off topic and
my apologies for crossing the line.  please, as lea said, contact me
off-list.  there is so much more i need to know and i want to be germain
on the list.

dwain

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Re: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

[dwain]

Craig Bailey wrote:
 Quoting David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Isn't it just an abbreviation rather then an acronym? If not, how do you
 pronounce it? Mesa?

 Good question. We pronounce it M-S-A. Should I be using the
 abbreviation tag?

no. msa is an acronym just like ms is an acronym for multiple sclorosis
and nasa is an acronym for national aeronautical and space
administration.  ms. is an abreviation for miss or miz. as mr. is an
abreviation mister.

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Re: [WSG] 100% height

[dwain]

Bob Schwartz wrote:
 I have been at it all day and no luck.

 Anyone who would like to help can see some test pages at:

 http://www.fotografics.it/test/

 The problem is explained on the pages.

 Bob

try placing your footer inside the wrapper.

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Re: [WSG] 100% height

[dwain]

Bob Schwartz wrote:
 A version with the footer inside the div is up, plus it seems that by
 adding important! to height: auto; in the original version it is now
 working in Safari and Firefox.
 I would appreciate feedback from a test in IE 6 and (especially) 7

 http://www.fotografics.it/test/

looks good in ie7 win xp pro

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Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

[dwain]

Robert O'Rourke wrote:
 Susan Grossman wrote:

 Today i just told them to go back to using table based layouts and i
 will restrict my designs accordingly- i cant listen to the whining
 anymore.

 What would you have done in this situation?




 Back to your original topic - the client is always right in the end. 
 You can present white papers and expert opinions, but in the end the
 decision the client makes stands.

 Dumping the client doesn't seem to be a pro attitude, though it may
 be how we feel  :)

 I just wanted to emphasize that you did the right thing for the
 client, and that's what it's all about as long as the code is valid
 and accessible.


 That's Kevin's problem, although the code might be valid it's very
 likely to be poorly accessible. You're absolutely right about not
 trying to force their hand. Accessibility is their concern if all
 you're doing is providing designs and they do the code. Bit more
 boring to design for I'd imagine but whatever puts food on the table.

and be sure to have that indemnity clause in your contracts in case they
get sued for inaccessibility.

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Re: [WSG] Web Publishing Guide [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

[dwain]

Dale, Tim wrote:


Today, AGIMO released the Web Publishing Guide - 
_http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au/_.
The Web Publishing Guide brings together Australian (Commonwealth) 
Government resources for website management. It helps agencies to 
discern their legal and policy obligations, and to access guidance and 
better practice advice.


this is nice, but do you have anything for the unites states along this 
line?


dwain


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Re: [WSG] Who's A Front End Developer?

[dwain]

Seona Bellamy wrote:
My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the 
company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come up with 
the ideas and the layouts and the graphics. The developers are the 
people who write code, be that (X)HTML, CSS, JavaScript, ColdFusion, 
PHP, etc.
although i would like to think of myself as a developer, i guess i'm 
really a designer.  i write (x)html and css, but have little or no 
experience with php, mysql or javascript.  so i write mostly static 
pages, but the clientèle i write for don't need much in a dynamic web 
site; however, that should not prevent me from learning php, javascript 
and mysql.


so i guess you could say i'm a front-end developer due to certain 
lacking skills to make me a full fledged developer.


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Re: [WSG] Who's A Front End Developer?

[dwain]

Seona Bellamy wrote:
On 05/07/07, *dwain* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Seona Bellamy wrote:
 My definition of designer vs developer is these days coloured by the
 company I'm working for. The designers are the people who come
up with
 the ideas and the layouts and the graphics. The developers are the
 people who write code, be that (X)HTML, CSS, JavaScript, ColdFusion,
 PHP, etc.
although i would like to think of myself as a developer, i guess i'm
really a designer.  i write (x)html and css, but have little or no
experience with php, mysql or javascript.  so i write mostly static
pages, but the clientèle i write for don't need much in a dynamic web
site; however, that should not prevent me from learning php,
javascript
and mysql.

so i guess you could say i'm a front-end developer due to certain
lacking skills to make me a full fledged developer.


That's probably a fair enough assessment, although I don't think you 
should compare being a front-end developer to being a fully-fledged 
developer as if the former were necessarily a bad thing. 
i hope that i didn't imply that a front end developer is less of a 
developer that a full fledged developer.  i guess what i meant is that 
i'm not a well rounded developer yet to be a full fledged developer 
(front and back end).


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[WSG] Safari beta for Windows won't display correctly

[dwain]

I don't understand why Safari beta does not apply the css to the 
partners div.  it centers the text and spans the whole page.  IE7, 
FF,and Opera 9.21 all display properly.  Any ideas, or is this a bug in 
the beta version I have found?


http://www.studiokdd.com/

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Re: [WSG] Safari beta for Windows won't display correctly

[dwain]

Kevin Murphy wrote:
Interesting. i don't see that in my copy of Safari Windows or Mac (or 
any other browser). I see the text left aligned. I'm running Safari 
3.0.2 (522.13.1) for windows and Safari 3.0.2 (522.12) for Mac. 
Perhaps there is a newer version that needs updating. Also try 
emptying the Cache, or reseting safari, and see if that solves the 
problem. I've noticed sometimes that Safari doesn't always reload the 
CSS file when refreshing the page. 



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On Jul 18, 2007, at 2:18 PM, dwain wrote:


Kevin Murphy wrote:
It looks identical to me on Safari Windows/Mac, Firefox Windows/Mac, 
and IE7. I'm not sure I am seeing what you are seeing. 
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On Jul 18, 2007, at 10:55 AM, dwain wrote:

I don't understand why Safari beta does not apply the css to the 
partners div.  it centers the text and spans the whole page.  IE7, 
FF,and Opera 9.21 all display properly.  Any ideas, or is this a 
bug in the beta version I have found?


http://www.studiokdd.com/

dwain
the partners div is set to 760px wide and the text is aligned left.  
there is a 2em margin top and bottom on the word partners and the 
font for the gallery text is 80% in times new roman, times, serif.  
what i am seeing in safari windows beta is what i described above and 
the font is arial.  attached is a screen shot of what i'm seeing.


dwain


thanks, i'll try that.
dwain

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Re: [WSG] Safari beta for Windows won't display correctly

[dwain]

Dan Dorman wrote:

On 7/18/07, Kevin Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It looks identical to me on Safari Windows/Mac, Firefox Windows/Mac, and
IE7.


On 7/18/07, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

the partners div is set to 760px wide and the text is aligned left.
there is a 2em margin top and bottom on the word partners and the font
for the gallery text is 80% in times new roman, times, serif.  what i am
seeing in safari windows beta is what i described above and the font is
arial.


The Agora image is left justified in every Windows browser I've tried
it on:  IE6, Firefox 2, and Safari.

:Dan Dorman
thanks, then i guess it's just me.  i'll try emptying my cache and 
seeing what happens.  i appreciate the responses.


dwain

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Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

[dwain]

Michael MD wrote:

I'm all about web conventions.  I didn't realize having a blank target
didn't follow web standards.  Is that documented somewhere?

- at least give them the option to right-click and download it for 
offline viewing! 
the option is already there if you know about it.  how do you propose to 
let the user know they can right-click the link and download it?

just curious about your solution to this.

dwain

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Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

[dwain]

Bruce wrote:
Personally and from a usability I feel pdf's belong in the office, not 
on the web. As a definite download link and have a choice between 
viewing it as html or a pdf download. I hate seeing pdf becoming more 
popular.


i think that offering a substantial amount of information, like a manual 
or book, in pdf format is a good way to provide information to users who 
want it.  html has the limitation of not being able to download all of 
the information, especially if it's on more than one page and not 
packaged to be completely downloaded in one fell swoop.


the gutenberg project offers books in text and html formats.  i think 
that some of the books are offered in pdf, but don't quote me on that.  
the pdf format is not sinister and as web designers and developers, we 
might as well get used to the fact that pdf is going to be on the web in 
increasing numbers.


dwain


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Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

[dwain]

Tony Crockford wrote:



I'm still looking for a best practice solution to reducing font size 
to the *norm* and not causing problems when I do so.


have you any suggestions on that front?

in web design and the way the viewer can set font limits, i don't think 
there is a *norm*.  setting your font size to 100% in the body and then 
using ems or percentages to shrink font size is what i would recommend.


do a test page for your client and then show them how the user can 
control the fonts in their browser and maybe they will understand how 
unstable web design really is.  don't forget to show them the test 
page at different resolutions as well.  then you and your client can sit 
down and talk about what would be best for them.


my 2 cents.

dwain

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Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

[dwain]

Tony Crockford wrote:

what are the downsides of this approach?
the down side is the user controls your font sizes.  in ie i usually use 
the medium setting then check the largest setting to make sure the 
design doesn't break.  there are some who set 12 as their minimum and 
god knows what for a maximum font size.  then others set a minimum of 
9.  these are just some of the joys of being a web developer/designer.


who do they affect? how are they affected.
everybody is effected and it depends on their font size settings in 
there browser.  also screen resolution plays a part in font sizes as 
well.  800x600 fonts and images are huge while 1280x800 on my laptop 
seems normal to me now.  i still run across sites that have small font 
sizes for their content.  once you start increasing the font size to 
where you can read it the design usually falls apart, especially if the 
designer used table for layout.


(I'm slightly hazy on the whole user set browser defaults thing, there 
seem to be a number of options including application preferences and 
user stylesheets. and a combination of minimum fonts, ignore all fonts 
and larger/smaller text settings in IE)


so, what happens if a user has their default font set larger than the 
browser default in this case?

then the fonts are larger.


conversely what happens if they have set their default smaller than 
the manufacturer shipped settings?

then the fonts are smaller.


Maybe Felix explained it, but I didn't understand it, can someone just 
make it simple, so I can judge the merit of this pragmatism?
i guess the best practice *norm* would be to set the font size in the 
body at 100% and scale up or down from there using css.  you can make 
yourself sick if you worry about this too much.


all you can do is decide on how you want your font size to look with 
respect to default browser settings and pray that someone out there 
doesn't set their font settings to 5 or worse yet 1; but then again, 
that's their choice and that was one of the hardest things for me to 
overcome; i can make it look good on my computer, but i have no control 
over the browser settings other viewers of my sites set for themselves.


good luck,
dwain

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[WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf

[dwain]

i know that this has come up before, but would someone point me to
best practices to introduce a prompt to open or download a pdf or any
file for that matter?

dwain

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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf

[dwain]

On 10/16/07, Paul Minty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd recommend displaying with a PDF icon, the text 'PDF' and a file size
 (in Kb or Mb). I suggest setting the target to a new window, then the
 user can righ click to save.

here's the address where the pdf links are.  i did not put the pdf
icon (don't know where to get one) but i do say that it's a pdf and
the size:

http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/design-graphic-studio.html
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf

[dwain]

On 10/16/07, Kit Grose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'd think (as a user) if you use the terminology 'download' for the
 link, the PDF should be sent with a force-download Content-type
 header if possible (so it doesn't try to view it).

how would you code this force download?
dwain

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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf

[dwain]

On 10/16/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 16 Oct 2007, at 08:40, dwain wrote:

  i did not put the pdf icon (don't know where to get one)

 http://www.adobe.com/

then where?  i've looked under downloads and support.  i would think
that they would have a place special just for us to obtain one.
sorry for the sarcasm, it's late and i can't sleep.  no excuse, but...
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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf

[dwain]

On 10/16/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 16 Oct 2007, at 08:40, dwain wrote:

  i did not put the pdf icon (don't know where to get one)

 http://www.adobe.com/

thanks, i found one.  where do i put this icon before or after the link?
dwain

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Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf

[dwain]

On 10/16/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 16 Oct 2007, at 10:43, dwain wrote:

  On 10/16/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 16 Oct 2007, at 08:40, dwain wrote:
 
  i did not put the pdf icon (don't know where to get one)
 
  http://www.adobe.com/
 
  thanks, i found one.  where do i put this icon before or after the
  link?
  dwain
 

 It used to be quite easy to ind the relevant page, but they seem to
 have let their legal department loose on the site :-(

 Personally, I include the icon within the link; whether it goes
 before or after the text of the link is purely a matter of personal
 preference, or the dictates of the graphic designer. I tend to expect
 it before:

 a href=blah.pdfimg src=pdflogo.gifDownload blah.pdf/a


thank you, all of you who have responded have been a big help.
cheers,
dwain

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Re: [WSG] WCAG conformance and checking

[dwain]

i prefer this color contrast analyzer.

http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/contrast-analyser.html

dwain

On 10/26/07, Dave Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah, the webdev toolbar for Firefox has direct links to the
 cynthiasays (WAI) checker and the section 508 checker along with some
 other useful tools so if you don't already have it, that's a must for
 all developers.

 http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/

 There's also a colour contrast analyzer that's pretty useful for Firefox here

 http://juicystudio.com/article/colour-contrast-analyser-firefox-extension.php

 I use these as an initial starting point for testing accessibility but
 as you've rightly pointed out, these won't guarantee accessibility so
 manual testing and common sense are much more important once you've
 performed these initial tests.

 Hope they help though.

 Dave

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  Hi,
 
  I am on a mission to get the microsite that I built for my wife
  http://phd.london.edu/ygrushkacockayne/ to conform to W3C's
  Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0, available at
  http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WAI-WEBCONTENT-19990505, level
  Double-A.
 
  I am reading http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/ and
  http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT-TECHS/.
 
  I realize no automated checking is foolproof...but are there any good
  automated tools to assist in WCAG conformance checking? ( I hear cynthia
  mentioned from time to time...any good/any details? Any others?
 
  Any good Firefox extensions/plug-ins?
 
  Cheers,
 
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Re: [WSG] email abuse (OT)

[dwain]

thanks, i just thought someone could point me in the proper direction.
sorry for the off topic intrusion.
dwain

On Dec 6, 2007 7:46 PM, Matt Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is not the appropriate forum to be raising these types of issues.
 There are plenty of places elsewhere from which you can find more
 information about spam detection and filtering. My suggestion would be to
 start with Google, as they are your particular email host.

 Cheers,

 -- Matt
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  who would i notify about email abuse.  someone is using my gmail address
  to spam for viagra?  any help would be appreciated.
  dwain
 
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[WSG] jaws (ot?)

[dwain]

i have downloaded jaws and i get a nag screen to activate it.  i checked the
price for the program and $850 is quite a bit of money.  there was nothing
mentioned about a time limit on the program.  could someone give me some
additional info on this issue?
dwain

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Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

[dwain]

i guess i stand corrected.
dwain

On 12/13/07, Adam Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 drivers are the responsibility of the vendors. As is the ability of
 running other software. Vista is essentially a framework for software
 developers - it is there responsibility to ensure it works - not Microsofts.

 On Dec 14, 2007 11:01 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
  On 12/13/07, Gav... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   No, OS suppliers should have the option of providing whatever default
   packages they want, and leave the options open for users to install
   their
   own alternatives. Those that need a better, standards compliant web
   browser will know they can get one.
  
  but their os should be able to run other optional packages that the
  customer chooses.
  vista has little to no support from other software vendors and drivers
  are another issue all together.
  cheers,
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[WSG] skip links

[dwain]

i'm using ibm's adesigner.  i'm getting errors about skip links.  how do you
skip links?  why?
dwain

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Re: [WSG] Colors for web design

[dwain]

not trying to be cute, but go to an art supply store and buy a color wheel.
a color wheel will show you primary, complementary, tertiary, etc. colors.
it's a great tool for finding colors that work together.
dwain

On 12/14/07, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone know a good online resource or book that discusses how to decide
 the best color combinations for use on the web.

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Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!

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On Dec 20, 2007 3:08 PM, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Merry Seasonally Appropriate Greetings!
 (Santa is bringing me a 30 monitor. Hehehe. God Santa. But there
 better be chocolate in there too! :))

 in the monitor? ;-)

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[WSG] w3c link checker

[dwain]

i have been trying to check the links on my web site.  it has 176 pages, but
the link checker only checks a maximum of 150 links.  who would i contact to
ask for a larger number of pages (links)?  i went to the w3c web site and
have not found a contact link for the link checker.  i think it would be out
of line (ot) to contact the membership contact.  any ideas or better
information?
dwain

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Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

[dwain]

On 1/7/08, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 how about you download, install, and run it yourself?

 http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/


i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz.  i run windoze.  how would i
install it on a windoze box?

dwain

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Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

[dwain]

i have a program to unzip the file.  i assume that it doesn't matter where i
unzip it to (C:\)  but then how do i run it, from the command line and if so
what command do i use to run it?  i read the read me file and it wasn't much
help.

dwain

On 1/8/08, Susan Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  
   http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/
  
 
  i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz.  i run windoze.  how
  would i install it on a windoze box?
 
  dwain
 

 There's a free program  for unzipping that type of file.  Once the link
 checker is unzipped it'll also work on windows


 http://www.gzip.org/

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Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

[dwain]

thanks to all who have responded to my cry for help.  i think i have all the
information i need to install the link checker.

best,
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Re: [WSG] Acronym element

[dwain]

On 1/9/08, Ross Bruniges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 so I would recommend if you have control over the content that use use
 them every time you need (the title doesn't have to be used each time
 though)


cynthia says that each use needs a title for priority 3 validation.  i have
just dealt with this on my site.

dwain

btw, how do you get rid of the dotted underline on each abreviation?  i
tried styling the abbr with text-decoration:none and the underline is
still there.  any ideas?


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Re: [WSG] Acronym element

[dwain]

thank you.

On 1/9/08, Rochester oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 border:none


 
  btw, how do you get rid of the dotted underline on each abreviation?  i
  tried styling the abbr with text-decoration:none and the underline is
  still there.  any ideas?
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Acronym element

[dwain]

have you run this through taw online?  i was mistaken earlier saying cynthia
says remarked on having to have the title attribute on the abbr element.

after i added titles to the abbr element i didn't get the error.

i am also finding differences between the online accessibility checkers.  i
also found it amusing that taw has some accessibility errors on the test
page.

dwain

On 1/9/08, Rochester oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 About the abbr, i think u may use it only once per page but if u want to
 speel-out the other times use the css aural.
 Example:
 Bla bla bla acronym title=World wide web consortiumW3C/acronym 
 bla bla bla... bla bla span class=spellW3C/span

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Re: [WSG] Acronym element

[dwain]

it was taw that gave me the error not cynthia says.  that was my error.
dwain

On 1/10/08, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 9/1/08 (20:18) dwain said:

 i was mistaken earlier saying cynthia
 says remarked on having to have the title attribute on the abbr element.
 
 after i added titles to the abbr element i didn't get the error.

 Dwain, I didn't quite follow that.
 You initially reported that Cynthia gave an error telling you to add
 titles to the abbr tags. You added them and the error went away.
 In what way was your initial report mistaken? Surely this is what one
 would expect to happen? Or am I missing/misreading something?

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Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8

[dwain]

code for standards compliant browsers and let ie fall where it may.
dwain

On 1/24/08, Ben Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 crikey, that's some list. thanks Russ.


 It's disturbing how well lemurs can illustrate the issue, too: 
 http://www.katemonkey.co.uk/article/48/x-ua-lemur-compatible
 (the Zeldman lemur cracked me up completely)

 On the issue... it's something MS simply won't back down on no matter what
 any of us think. So we may as well figure out how to deal with it.

 Standardistas can go for the edge option or they can let IE stagnate at
 IE7 or whatever version ends up being the easiest to develop
 for. Or they can seriously tag their documents according to tested documents.


 Implementation specifics aside (yes I still think it's spam), the version
 target feature offers us a chance to lock our sites to the most convenient
 version of IE. MS has invited us to ignore their newer products. We can opt
 to save our energy for standards-based browsers and not bother learning new
 versions of IE. Lazy? Pragmatic? Mercenary?

 Discuss? :) Surely this list has some opinions...

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[WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how
to implement the longdesc element.  i am working on long descriptions on
separate pages for each work of art on my web site.  i am planning on
placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main category
page.  could someone point me in the direction to any other references as to
the proper implementation of the longdesc element?  maybe someone would
provide a standards compliant example?

tia,
dwain

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

thanks christian.  i did a google search and found what i was looking for.
i was saddened by the D link being deprecated.  don't know how i'm going
to do this, so i've got some testing to do to see how this is going to play
out.
dwain

On 2/2/08, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Longdesc is actually an attribute. It's most commonly used with the img
 element, though it works for several other multimedia-related options.

 Basically, you just add the attribute to your img tag, and then the
 value of the longdesc attribute is the path to the longdesc file.

 Here is something I found about longdesc:
 http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/sam3-0.htm

 And here it is in the objects, images, and applets section of the W3C
 specification:
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#adef-longdesc-IMG

 Hope that helps.

 dwain wrote:
  i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of
  how to implement the longdesc element.  i am working on long
  descriptions on separate pages for each work of art on my web site.  i
  am planning on placing a D link next to the text title of the work
  on the main category page.  could someone point me in the direction
  to any other references as to the proper implementation of the
  longdesc element?  maybe someone would provide a standards compliant
  example?
 
  tia,
  dwain
 
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

thanks elizabeth.  the article was helpful.  here's my situation.  the image
that i am using is a link to the longdesc.  the title text under the image
links to a larger version of the image.  now let's ask the standards
compliant question.

with text in the content specifying the difference between clicking the
image and where it goes and clicking the text and where it goes, would that
be standards acceptable?  as i read the code, i don't see a problem with
screen readers, which is the target audience for this technique.
dwain

On 2/2/08, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Dwain

 See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at
 http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html


 Elizabeth Spiegel
 Web editing

 0409 986 158
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 i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how
 to implement the longdesc element.  i am working on long descriptions on
 separate pages for each work of art on my web site.  i am planning on
 placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main
 category
 page.  could someone point me in the direction to any other references as
 to
 the proper implementation of the longdesc element?  maybe someone would
 provide a standards compliant example?

 tia,
 dwain

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

here's the link to the example:
http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html

i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text
link to the larger pic.

any feedback would be appreciated.
dwain

On 2/2/08, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Dwain

 See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at
 http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html


 Elizabeth Spiegel
 Web editing

 0409 986 158
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 i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how
 to implement the longdesc element.  i am working on long descriptions on
 separate pages for each work of art on my web site.  i am planning on
 placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main
 category
 page.  could someone point me in the direction to any other references as
 to
 the proper implementation of the longdesc element?  maybe someone would
 provide a standards compliant example?

 tia,
 dwain

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

i see your point.

On 2/2/08, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On 2 Feb 2008, at 06:26, dwain wrote:

 i was saddened by the D link being deprecated.


 I'm not; as techniques go, it is ugly and confusing. Unless a user is
 aware of the convention, they are left wondering what a link labelled d
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Re: [WSG] Good News and longdesc info

[dwain]

congratulations frank!!  i know that you are just who they were looking for
and that your work for them will be superb.
looking forward to the longdesc implementation that you have written.
dwain

On 2/2/08, Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi folks,

 After almost two months of phone interviews and written tests, late
 yesterday I received an offer from Opera, Oslo for the Technical Writer
 position they had open. I'm still in shock. Some of you know I've been
 trying to get out of here for a while, and finally the work has paid off.
 This tech writer position requires hands-on knowledge and use of (X)HTML,
 CSS, and DOM/JavaScript by the author. This suits me perfect, seeing that
 all my work is done in IDE editors for those languages. Now all I have to do
 is live up to their standards, and I'll be ok. It's truly a privilege to be
 joining the Opera Team.

 Dwain, as part of the written exams for Opera, I was asked to devise a
 solution similar to the longdesc attribute problem you describe. I did, but
 unfortunately I'm still under an NDA regarding the Opera job application
 process. When I receive notification that I can publish this solution from
 them, I'll make sure to let you and the list know immediately. Also, I'll
 submit it to Chris Mills, editor of dev.opera.com to see if he thinks if
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image.  i will
be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the
longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the
picture.

i see your point though.  i'll give it a try and put the page back up for
more comments.
dwain

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  On Behalf Of dwain
 
 
  here's the link to the example:
 http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html
 
  i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the
 text link to the larger pic.
 
  any feedback would be appreciated.

 Don't you think this approach may confuse sighted users? Most people
 expect thumbnail images to be linked to a larger version.
 I'd do the opposite and use the link for the long description page, but
 moving it off-screen (bringing it back into view for keyboard users).
 I'd also use a script to build the link (pulling the HREF value from the
 longdesc attribute), since the resource is already part of the document.

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

thierry, i do belive that this is more intuitive.  thanks for your input.  i
think that text saying that the text link leads to a longdesc of the work.
how does that sound to the group.  should work well in a screen reader too.

as for the scripting, i have no clue how to do it.  my education has not
gone that far yet.  it is a major draw back to being just a designer and not
a developer.  there is still much i need to learn (js, php, mysql), but $$$
is the hold up at the moment.  books help, but some instruction would be
most valuable.
dwain

On 2/2/08, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image.  i will
 be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the
 longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the
 picture.

 i see your point though.  i'll give it a try and put the page back up for
 more comments.
 dwain

 On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On Behalf Of dwain
  
  
   here's the link to the example:
  http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html
  
   i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the
  text link to the larger pic.
  
   any feedback would be appreciated.
 
  Don't you think this approach may confuse sighted users? Most people
  expect thumbnail images to be linked to a larger version.
  I'd do the opposite and use the link for the long description page, but
  moving it off-screen (bringing it back into view for keyboard users).
  I'd also use a script to build the link (pulling the HREF value from the
  longdesc attribute), since the resource is already part of the document.
 
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

excellent suggestion!!  i have other plans for the page with the larger
image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is
superb.  i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a
description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically
correct these days, available for accessibility.
dwain

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 dwain wrote:
  you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image.  i
  will be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you
  to the longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version
  of the picture.

 I'd posit that sighted users, when coming across a page of thumbnails,
 will still expect the thumbs to take them to the larger view, regardless
 of any text you put in anywhere else on the page.

 If I had to add long description, I'd include it on the actual page that
 shows the larger version of the painting - either as part of the text on
 the right itself, or as a clearly marked link underneath the large image
 (text description of this painting or similar).

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind the
work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and visually
challenged individuals.
dwain

On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Behalf Of dwain
 
  excellent suggestion!!  i have other plans for the page with the larger
 image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is
  superb.  i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a
 description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically
  correct these days, available for accessibility.

 If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding them in
 visual browsers?
 imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description pages,
 I believe most users won't understand their purpose.
 Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For example, in
 the case these images are not only described, but *interpreted* (for example
 by the artist explaining his work, symbolic, etc).
 If it is the latter, then the description is for all users.

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

[dwain]

thanks to all of you who have commented on this concern of mine.  i really
appreciate the feed back.  time to lurk again.
cheers,
dwain

On 2/2/08, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If that is the case, you could just use simple links and have a mention
 about clicking on the artwork to read an in-depth description.

 dwain wrote:
  i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind
  the work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and
  visually challenged individuals.
  dwain
 
  On 2/2/08, *Thierry Koblentz* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On Behalf Of dwain
  
   excellent suggestion!!  i have other plans for the page with the
  larger image as far as a description goes, but the link text
  suggestion is
   superb.  i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there
  was a description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is
  politically
   correct these days, available for accessibility.
 
  If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding
  them in visual browsers?
  imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description
  pages, I believe most users won't understand their purpose.
  Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For
  example, in the case these images are not only described, but
  *interpreted* (for example by the artist explaining his work,
  symbolic, etc).
  If it is the latter, then the description is for all users.
 
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Re: [WSG] help with picture alignment in CSS

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On 2/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hello,

 I have a site here that I've been trying to add some pictures to.  I have
 IE7 and Firefox and it looks good but my client is seeing things different
 with her IE.  The pictures at the bottom, 6 of them should be lined up all
 in a row but are not.  I put the code I am using inside the page and in
 this email.

 Can someone take a look and let me know if they can see what is going on
 here.

 Thanks.tg

 Here is the link:

 http://www.rejuvenatespas.com/test.html



 *///
 ///

 style type=text/css

 .gallerycontainer{
 position: absolute;
 /*Add a height attribute and set to largest image's height to prevent
 overlaying*/
 left: 430px; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Here's your culprit, one of them
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Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents

[dwain]

On 2/16/08, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Icons also help people make quick choices and allow you to provide the
 documents in a tabular format when required.
 Title of This Lengthy Document [PDF ICON] title=download the
 PDF: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document [MSWORD ICON] title=download the
 Word Document: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document

 i also put the size of the document next to the link.  this way the
visitor know what's coming in the download or the view, because to view a
pdf it has to be downloaded first and then opened and by notifying the
visitor of the size of the document gives them another choice whether to
download, view or by pass the document.
dwain

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Re: [WSG] * { display: inline; }

[dwain]

ie does not recognize the *.
dwain

On 2/17/08, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Gday all,

 This morning I was creatively thinking different things and playing
 around (as you do).

 I was wondering what would happen if I did a mass reset using the
 asterisk to make everything inline to begin with?

 So in the header of my document, I included

 style type=text/css
 * {
 display: inline;
 }
 /style

 Now I know that external style sheets are much smarter, I just wanted to
 have a quick play and test.

 For some inexplicable reason, the content of the style element then
 appears in the browser, Firefox 2, Firefox 3 beta, Safari 3 beta, Opera
 9.1 (not IE7).

 Is that supposed to happen? And if so, why? I am honestly stumped on
 this one.

 Thanks,

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Re: [WSG] books

[dwain]

On 2/19/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Anybody can suggest me some good books or other resources for

 · Webstandards

 ·  css technics


css the definitive guide third edition by eric meyer

·  Ui design and development

 ·  javascript (especially for UI purpose)


javascript the definitive guide fifth edition by david flanagan

I prefer   books…



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 *Naveen Bhaskar Menon*



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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

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 On Feb 19, 2008 4:40 PM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  PS /Landing/ on a page with mousetype an 116dpi laptop ain't no picnic
  for those of us without your Superman vision. Then having it frozen in
  IE, only adds insult to injury.


the main text on the pages are frozen in firefox as well.  can't make the
type any larger so i can read it, even with my glasses.
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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

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 On Feb 20, 2008 12:05 AM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Dwain,
 
  The text proper is not frozen in Firefox. I think you are having
  difficulty with the image text.


you're absolutely correct.  i didn't realize at first they were images.
dwain




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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

[dwain]

if the pages with your picture on them aren't images, then your links at the
bottom of the pages don't work.  resend the link and let me have another
look, please.
dwain

On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 images?

 On Feb 20, 2008 12:51 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  On Feb 20, 2008 12:05 AM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  
Dwain,
   
The text proper is not frozen in Firefox. I think you are having
difficulty with the image text.
  
  
  you're absolutely correct.  i didn't realize at first they were images.
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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

[dwain]

the images are what fooled me at first.  the state representative pages are
images.  all of the work you show on the page are images.  that's why the
text wouldn't size for me.

i must agree with david that the font size could stand to be larger and a
bit more contrast between the text color and the background color.

dwain

On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.laertjansen.com/site2

 On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:58 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  if the pages with your picture on them aren't images, then your links at
  the bottom of the pages don't work.  resend the link and let me have another
  look, please.
  dwain
 
  On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   images?
  
   On Feb 20, 2008 12:51 AM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   
On Feb 20, 2008 12:05 AM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Dwain,
 
  The text proper is not frozen in Firefox. I think you are having
  difficulty with the image text.


you're absolutely correct.  i didn't realize at first they were
images.
dwain
   
   
   
   
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Re: [WSG] Problem with folio online | IE

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On 2/20/08, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don´t understand why is the text frozen in IE and not in FF

 you are using px for your font size.  try using em or %.
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