Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

2008-06-26 Thread Alastair Campbell
Ken McInnes wrote: Most browsers will render this OK, BUT Firefox 3 WILL NOT. It just renders the page with nothing on it. :-( I had a similar issue a fwe years ago in IE6, where a script tag with nothing inside (i.e. script .../script) would cause IE6 to show a blank screen, although I think

Re: [WSG] HTML special characters coding

2008-06-26 Thread Alastair Campbell
I still use encoded characters in attributes sometimes, for example in alt text that needs quote makr. I can't think of an example off hand, but I assume entities are still needed for that? -Alastair *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] html vs. html

2008-06-20 Thread Alastair Campbell
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question wasn't about keeping file extensions in URIs it was about what file extension the file should have, which I am sure you will agree is still required as the server needs to know if it is an html, php, css, js,

Re: [WSG] Is RTF accessible?

2008-05-27 Thread Alastair Campbell
if styles are used correctly, RTF files can be used well by screen readers. RTF doesn't use 'styles' in the way that Word (or HTML) does, it applies presentation tags, the semantic based styles that Word has (e.g. Heading 1) are not there. There's an example on the Wikipedia page:

Re: [WSG] Hanging indents

2008-03-21 Thread Alastair Campbell
The document could be made available for download as a PDF and also RTF (for accessibility purposes). Joe Clark pulled me up on this, and after checking into it, it is something of a myth that RTF is good for accessibility. RTF has no structure and (if I remember correctly) no means of

Re: [WSG] premature to test/worry new site for IE8?

2008-03-21 Thread Alastair Campbell
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:52 AM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time with IE 7, there was no problem and none of the sites I coded for her break when IE 7 came out. I think this version targeting thing really got people worry. Um, could you just not add the meta tag saying 'treat as

Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag

2008-03-18 Thread Alastair Campbell
Far too long, and his point is buried somewhere... It is long, but I like the headphone analogy that (I think) makes it easier to understand the 'economics' of the situation. (Does it count as economics when the products are free?) I was very surprised by the IE teams decision to make the new

Re: [WSG] generated source

2008-03-18 Thread Alastair Campbell
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the view generated source in the Web Developer Firefox plugin, Firebug is very handy too For html it will display as HTML (without closing slashes) as that is how Firefox interprets things sent as text/html. The

Re: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag

2008-03-18 Thread Alastair Campbell
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Reference implementation for content marked up in HTML is the W3C validator...again, confused about CSS/DOM? Fair point, but his audience is general technical rather than (knowledgeable) web developers. If you put his post in context of general programming (pre and

Re: [WSG] how to set table column widths with CSS

2008-01-11 Thread Alastair Campbell
On Jan 11, 2008 7:29 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: col:first-child {width:10em;} col:first-child+col {width: 5em;} From memory, I don't think col has children as such, it's quite a headache: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915 However, a combination of col HTML

Re: [WSG] Simple question on forms

2007-12-05 Thread Alastair Campbell
Michael Horowitz wrote: tabindex determines the order in which people tab through a form. The default tabindex simply follows the source order, as mentioned before. I would recommend not specifying the tabindex unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time doing everything, as it overrides

Re: [WSG] Simple question on forms

2007-12-05 Thread Alastair Campbell
Michael Horowitz wrote: tabindex determines the order in which people tab through a form. The default tabindex simply follows the source order, as mentioned before. I would recommend not specifying the tabindex unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time doing everything, as it overrides the

Re: [WSG] Re: SilverLight

2007-11-05 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 10/31/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me know if i can help in anyway shape or form as It's not all that bad Sorry to pick up on this so late, but have you got any information on the next version from an accessibility point of view? Version 1 appears to be a non-starter from an

Re: [WSG] References for best web video practices

2007-10-22 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 10/17/07, Roberto Gorj√£o [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you point me to some of your bookmarks or other resources about it? http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.html#multimedia and http://www.skillsforaccess.org.uk/ -Alastair

Re: [WSG] source order

2007-10-09 Thread Alastair Campbell
Mike Brown wrote: I think the article http://usability.com.au/resources/source-order.cfm *is* the prevailing wisdom in this matter :) Which is to say, some testing with a very specific design was used (with very little content or navigation), and that's all we have to go on so far.

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-08-30 Thread Alastair Campbell
Does the HTML working group have to take into account accessibility guidelines? What I mean is, does it have to make alt mandatory because WCAG (any version) does? -Alastair *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-08-30 Thread Alastair Campbell
Lachlan Huntwrote: the question that still remains is that if allowing the alt attribute to be omitted when users don't provide any good text isn't the right solution, then what is? What should the spec recommend to use in these cases? The problem is differentiating between ignorant and

Re: [WSG] setting fontsize in body

2007-08-08 Thread Alastair Campbell
Rob Kirton wrote: I was informed that they had a far better idea in the pipeline. I'm not holding my breath... As others suggested, full page zoom is likely to be it, but I hope they include Opera's fit-to-width option, or something to the same effect. Otherwise it won't be any better than

Re: [WSG] setting fontsize in body

2007-08-08 Thread Alastair Campbell
Stuart Foulstone wrote: Computer screens may have steadily improved (and so has the research) but human evolution doesn't change so fast that HCI research becomes outdated in 13 years as you suggest. Was the decision on default font size actually based on research, or was it just what they

Re: [WSG] setting fontsize in body

2007-08-07 Thread Alastair Campbell
Rick Lecoat wrote: Do we /know/ that the majority of people have their default text set according to their requirements, or is it ... they don't know that there's any other way? From lots of usability testing (including with people with visual impairments), and training people (not on

Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-21 Thread Alastair Campbell
On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 11:23:44AM +1000, Webb, KerryA wrote: If that's an efficient and effective way to publish a document, let them do it - providing the PDF is properly marked up. Is there an organisation that systematically produces well marked up accessible PDFs? I train people in how

[WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-20 Thread Alastair Campbell
On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 11:23:44AM +1000, Webb, KerryA wrote: If that's an efficient and effective way to publish a document, let them do it - providing the PDF is properly marked up. Is there an organisation that systematically produces well marked up accessible PDFs? I train people in how to

Re: [WSG] Back to the Future

2007-06-13 Thread Alastair Campbell
Chris Taylor wrote: Thanks for the input everyone, it looks like old-school tables with inline styles is the way to go, unfortunately. You may be right, if it were me, I'd install an old copy of Frontpage or dreamweaver and use that... matching the era of the tool with the era of the browser

Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows

2007-06-12 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 6/12/07, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know its beta, but at least apple could have a link to an online bug reporter.. Wasp posted this: http://webkit.org/quality/reporting.html From the sounds of it, they may get a few entries... -Alastair

Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-11 Thread Alastair Campbell
Steve Green wrote: The process for commenting is a bit shambolic, and it is not clear that comments are particularly welcome. There is no stated process, so people have been commenting in various places in the blogs If you check the various blogs, you'll see Joe has been following them closely

Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-11 Thread Alastair Campbell
Oops, Joe's just posted the comments email address: samurai at the domain wcagsamurai.org Apologies, -Alastair *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 5/25/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not causing validation issues does not make them fine; even if the vast majority of user agents don't respect it, img / in an HTML document means An image element followed by a greater than sign. The HTML specification explicitly advises authors

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 5/29/07, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because, in an HTML document, an XHTML style img tag unambiguously means An image element followed by a greater than sign. I still can't see where it says that in the spec, do you need to know the SGML spec as well? It seems strange that the

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 5/29/07, Rimantas Liubertas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/sgmldecl.html FEATURES, SHORTTAG YES I guess from that I should deduce that I do need to know the SGML spec to know that a slash will terminate a tag? I hope HTML5 does away with this... -Alastair

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
Thanks Liorean, On 5/29/07, liorean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in the same way you can't know XHTML if you have no knowledge of XML, you can't really know HTML 2-4.01 with no knowledge of SGML. You don't need to know all of SGML however, just the subset that is used for HTML. It seems

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 5/29/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The topic under discussion is, as I mentioned in my earlier post, mentioned in HTML 4.01 at http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/notes.html#h-B.3.7 as being something with poor support in HTML user agents. Which I read, thank you, but unless

Re: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-25 Thread Alastair Campbell
On 5/25/07, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: POSH as a concept is not about HTML vs. XHTML, it's about using the correct semantic elements. Agreed, when I read the question I thought it was about getting an editor to use pre-built sections of code to create certain HTML patterns, but I