Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-08 Thread Anthony Ziebell
If you use a tool such as tidy html in xhtml mode it will delete your empty tags... probably a setting to turn that feature off, but something to think about... Cheers, Anthony. Gerard Hynes (Gmail) wrote: My advice below. Cheers, Gerard On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Ben Lau

Re: [WSG] Users who deliberately disable JavaScript

2009-01-26 Thread Anthony Ziebell
_javascript_ should be implemented only to supplement / layer existing functionality. Your site should operate just fine without it... There are always exceptions to this rule however you shouldn't let _javascript_ dictate how you code. Thanks, Anthony. Sven Dowideit wrote: I have JS

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-20 Thread Anthony Ziebell
. Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On 20/1/09 06:24, Anthony Ziebell wrote: Is it true XHTML 1.1 supports modularization and thus, ARIA, except for the role attribute / values? I'm not sure I understand the question. "Modularization", in XHTML's case, refers to the

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-20 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Oh, also... there is a requirement for our pages to validate (hence I can only see JavaScript as a valid option at this point?) Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On 20/1/09 22:47, Anthony Ziebell wrote: It's more of a business decision... do we enhance our sites and make them a whole lot more

Re: [WSG] JavaScript and Accessibility

2009-01-19 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Server side validation is of course a must... however, if the visually impaired visitor has _javascript_ turned on and these error elements are created, they won't exactly get to the server side validation now, will they? ARIA looks good, looking forward to it getting out of draft status.

Re: [WSG] JavaScript and Accessibility

2009-01-19 Thread Anthony Ziebell
My only concern with a draft is that things change... Chris Knowles wrote: Anthony Ziebell wrote: ARIA looks good, looking forward to it getting out of draft status. I wouldn't be waiting for ARIA to get out of draft before using it :) It has pretty good support

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-19 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Is it true XHTML 1.1 supports modularization and thus, ARIA, except for the role attribute / values? XHTML 1.1 (latest draft) allows XHTML 1.1 to be served as text/html as defined in RFC2854 or application/xhtml+xml as defined in RFC3236. This is exciting as it looks like we are so close to

Re: [WSG] Microformats Accessibility

2009-01-18 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Hey Ben, Just a note... for now the following should be used instead: span class="name"human valuespan class="value"machine value/span/span The span class="value" title="machine value"/span is still in brainstorming so should not be used yet. Reference:

Re: [WSG] Microformats Accessibility

2009-01-18 Thread Anthony Ziebell
. Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Anthony Ziebell wrote: Just a note... for now the following should be used instead: /span class="name"human valuespan class="value"machine value/span/span/ And rely on CSS to display:n

Re: [WSG] Microformats Accessibility

2009-01-18 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Yes, well thankfully there is a workaround. The ABBR element and title with machine code is a serious problem so far as accessibility is concerned. Regards, Anthony. Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Anthony Ziebell wrote: Yes, until the brainstorm is approved and made standard. Hopefully soon

[WSG] JavaScript and Accessibility

2009-01-18 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Hey group, Does anyone have any ideas on standards based form validation, which is non-obtrusive, however remains accessible? Reason I ask, is that some form validations inject an element say under a form input, explaining the error. Now, without any alerts, how would a blind person / screen

Re: [WSG] JavaScript and Accessibility

2009-01-18 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Isn't 'aria-required' a non-standard attribute? Rimantas Liubertas wrote: Without using alerts, you could add the warning into the actual document. But how does a screen reader know the document has changed? For starters:

Re: [WSG] Title attribute

2009-01-13 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Hello, The title attribute is especially useful if you need to explain the content of a page to your visitor and your link text is not so meaningful. I would advise that you attempt to use meaningful text in your links. It might be a good idea to change the structure of your sentence so that

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Oh, it's certainly not spam. It's been all over news, whirlpool, everywhere. Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I

Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Anthony Ziebell
As I understand it, tests have already been completed in TAS? I'm not sure how accurate this is, though... as I have not seen any results. Andrew Barnett wrote: This is currently at the stage of the government looking for expressions of interest from ISP's to set this up for a trial. I

Re: [WSG] XHTML Standard question

2008-11-19 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Remember to use server side validation and you don't need to worry about rewriting standards :) Brett Patterson wrote: I know that most, if not possible to say all, Web page designers use _javascript_ for form validation. During a recent poll done by a few local colleges, 41.2% of the people

Re: [WSG] Question on servers and Email campaign

2008-11-11 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Sounds like a death-trap. Graphics Web Designing, LLC wrote: I am sorry to ask this question but I am very curious as to how others feel about this. I have a client that is purchasing E-mail listings from a company called expedia mail and I Was called and asked for my server's root

Re: [WSG] how come

2008-10-27 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Hi Kevin, The list-style-type (I assume that's what you meant) sets the list-item marker. So giving the anchor a list-style-type wouldn't effect the list-item. Cheers, Anthony. kevin mcmonagle wrote: hi, How come you cant change the list-type from none to circle(or anything else) on li

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-27 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Hey Breton, I think the examples you gave are implemented in the PHP object and are relatively simple to implement. Cheers, Anthony. Breton Slivka wrote: It is my understanding that the bulk of those OOP design patterns are useful to get around the limitations of static languages like

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-27 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Thanks Keryx, Some interesting information. Nice point on the arrays actually being objects. At one point you did mention _javascript_ is object-based, then in another, prototype-based. So that confuses me a little. If your point is that it is object-based and uses prototype to inherit

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-27 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Ok, great. It was my intent to acknowledge some standards / submissions for OO which inferred classes / native inheritance were needed. Thanks for your help :) Cheers, Anthony. Keryx Web wrote: Anthony Ziebell skrev: Still confuses me though - if someone is object-orientated

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-26 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Luke, Discrediting c++ has nothing to do with the question "Is _javascript_ object-orientated?". With that, and in closing, I would like to point out that my comments were based on the actual question - asking if _javascript_ were object-oriented, not if it has objects. Prototype has objects,

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-26 Thread Anthony Ziebell
as native inheritance? Thanks, Anthony. Breton Slivka wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luke, Discrediting c++ has nothing to do with the question "Is _javascript_ object-orientated?". With that, and in closing, I would lik

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-26 Thread Anthony Ziebell
n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype-based_programming#Criticism Thanks, Anthony. Breton Slivka wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Breton, There is a difference between the use of object and object-oriented programming. Yes you say t

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-26 Thread Anthony Ziebell
conflict with your argument anyway). Thanks, Anthony. Breton Slivka wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Lets all just agree then, that the first insulin is simply the best, so no further development in this area is needed. I am going

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Hi Brett, _javascript_ is commonly referred to as 'object-orientated' but really, _javascript_ is 'prototype-based'. They do have different meanings, but have some similarities... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prototype http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming Cheers,

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
arrays. This is why they are not real objects. Objects and arrays are totally different. Cheers, Anthony. Brett Patterson wrote: Hi Anthony, What about this link? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_javascript_ Under Features -- Dynamic Programming? On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Anthony Ziebell

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
is an object. Objects inherit in a run time delegation fashion from other objects in the prototype chain, a model inspired by Self. Types are placed on values, not variables, but everything has a type. Encapsulation comes from closures. 2008/10/24 Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Sure, that's what an "object" is. But OOP is not just about an "object". There is a lot more involved. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of _javascript_ - but it has faux classes and objects, and this is why my opinion of _javascript_ is that it is prototype, not object. Cheers, Anthony. Brett

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Forgot to clarify one thing: ECMAScript is fully OO in my opinion, however _javascript_ is not a full implementation of ECMAScript, unfortunately. Thanks, Anthony. Brett Patterson wrote: I didn't see that. :) But as I have read in other areas, _javascript_ is based on ECMAScript. And

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
A 'superset' of ECMA3 which is not fully compliant. Right... liorean wrote: 2008/10/24 Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Forgot to clarify one thing: ECMAScript is fully OO in my opinion, however _javascript_ is not a full implementation of ECMAScript, unfortunately

Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Anthony Ziebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A 'superset' of ECMA3 which is not fully compliant. Right... I think you're confused. Maybe you you're thinking of the w3c dom- Which is a seperate standard and topic from _javascript_

Re: [WSG] Nested List Problem

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Hi Lynette, The first list has a nested list correctly inside of the list item, however your subsequent list items end the list item element before the new nested list begins... e.g: lia href=""WEED SPECIES/a/li ul id="subnavlist" li id="subactive"a href=""

Re: [WSG] Nested List Problem

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Hi Lynette, I see what you are asking now - this would probably need to be refactored to have it validate. Cheers, Anthony. Lynette Smith wrote: Thanks Anthony - I've corrected that - but won't the repetition of ul id's stop it validating? The first list has a nested list

Re: [WSG] Nested List Problem

2008-10-23 Thread Anthony Ziebell
That might work - but then I don't know how the menu scripts work. If they rely on ID's, then you will need to refactor. Lynette Smith wrote: I see what you are asking now - this would probably need to be refactored to have it validate. Cheers, Anthony. Perhaps

Re: [WSG] desktop application usability

2008-07-24 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Naveen, You are probably better off searching for a language specific standards group - I'm sure some people can help you here, but most of the questions posted to this list appear to be web related. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Where can Iearn more about desktop