[WSG] Flash and 100% height - retry and apologies

2005-08-10 Thread Brendan Smith
Firstly, not to excuse the format of my previous email, but 
I'm stuck with the Outlook Web Access mail client. Try as I might to get it to 
send text emails, this is as close as it gets. I apologise for any inconvenience 
it may have caused. I have to say it was dishearteningto see my request 
trashed before it was read, so I come to you all again humbled 
somewhat.

Thanks to Russ, Martin and David for their 
responses.

I have changed tact with my problem with 
the suggestions I received. I'm now trying an absolute layout and I think I'm 
closer, but IE is still nabbing me with it's insistence that the Flash 
application must be set to 100% of the viewport.

Viewing this URL in Firefox https://demo.hpa.com.au/OLM/test/apps/ies/need_help3.htm
gives me the result I need: 100px of space 
top and bottom of the "viewer app", 150px of space to the left of it. The viewer 
is snug up against the right of the window. Finally if the browser is resized, 
the spacing remains and the viewer app expands/contracts it's dimensions to fill 
the available area. This isn't the final layout intended, but is enough to 
figure the logic I require (I think!)

IE maintains the spacing on the top, left 
and bottom of the app and keeps it snug to the right, but it calculates the 
dimension of the viewer to equal 100% of the viewport height.

I hope it is not taboo, here is the 
relevant CSS and HTML:

style 
type="text/css"!--body, html {height: 
100%;width: 100%;margin: 0px;padding: 
0px;background-color:#99;}#viewer{position:absolute;top: 
100px;bottom: 100px;left: 150px;right: 
0px;background-color:#339900;}#imageviewer{height: 
100%;width: 100%;}
--/style/headbody 
div id="viewer"  object 
type="application/x-shockwave-flash" 
data="" 
id="imageviewer"  param 
name="movie" 
value="../../flashviewer/ImageViewer.swf?imageurl=https://demo.hpa.com.au/OLM/test/testxml/test1.xml" 
/  param name="quality" 
value="best" /  param 
name="menu" value="false" /  
/object /div /body

Thanks for your time,
Brendan.

[WSG] Flash 100% wide layout issues - resorting to javascript - eek!

2005-08-09 Thread Brendan Smith
Hi all,

I've come crawling back 
with some issues. I never seem to be much help to anyone else - I hope someone 
can help me here.

I have a page that has a 
banner, a menu, a side (tree) menu, a flash image viewing app as the main 
content, a control pannel and a footer.

My (unobtainable?) goal 
is to have the flash viewer take up all available height and width of the viewer 
window. The viewer is going to be used to view scanned/generated images of 
documents sent to the clients of our clients. The footer and tree menu are 
optional on some pages.

I'm having issues with 
the layout in general - I seem to be so close in so many ways, and yet so 
freakin' far in others - it's so elusive!

cue organ music 
I've faltered my brothers (and sisters) -I ran screaming back to my 
_javascript_ skills - crying for a solution to my woes - help me be strong! I used 
some _javascript_ to calculate the heights and widths and set some dimensions of 
the divs and flash.

Before I faltered to 
_javascript_...

Firefox tended to make 
the flash viewer stetch to 100% of the window, no matter what the actual size of 
it's container. In IE the width can seem fine, but then the viewer wants to be 
100% of the browser window height, ignoring the height of it's 
container.

I havemy 
_javascript_ stained version at https://demo.hpa.com.au/OLM/test/apps/ies/viewer_alpha1.htm
This version is the 
closest to where I want to get to, however there are issues when you resize the 
browser, the float on the side tree menu and the width of the flash viewer makes 
the flash viewer slip below the tree.

I don't want to use the 
_javascript_ if I can help it.

I need the flash viewer 
to be as large as possible (contractual agreement).

I want to be xHTML 
transitional.

Please get in touch, 
after 4 days of racking my head I just seem to be stuck in a 
rut.

Thanks 
all.

Brendan

PS - Can't wait for the 
Jeff Veen workshop!

[WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia

2005-04-18 Thread Brendan Smith
Oh - my - insert deity here.
 
http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/007504.cfm 
http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/007504.cfm 
 
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html 
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html 
 
Where do things go from here for standards aware tools? Do we have to brow beat 
Adobe into listening to its user base? Who knows. Interesting scary times 
ahead.
 
Brendan


 
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[WSG] Web app guidance/site comment

2005-02-04 Thread Brendan Smith
Greetings all,
 
I'm currently working on a web app that I have created in as much of a web 
standards karma giving way as I can muster.
 
If I could get some feed back on this little number from the crowd out there I 
would be most greatful. General tips and pointers are what I'm after.
 
If you look closely enough it might be blatantly obvious who this project is 
for. Ok, if you're from Sydney Australia and drive a car/have a license that is.
 
https://monitor.hpa.com.au/rta/ https://monitor.hpa.com.au/rta/ 
 
This is in no way a live product, and for the most part are just a bunch of 
static HTML files. Expect no magic within! Or live database for that matter.
 
I have managed to keep the majority of pages valid in both HTML and CSS. (When 
I typed that I felt I should get a badge or something?)
 
The only quirk I have with it is how some tables will wrap/drop below the menu 
on IE in tight areas (narrow your browser on the home page). Is this to be 
expected?
 
Thanks in advance for your time...
 
Brendan
 
 
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[WSG] Firefox 1.0

2004-11-09 Thread Brendan Smith
Hi all,

Well it's finally here. Firefox 1.0. Yeah, you probably already know, but
for those that don't...

With an amazing history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox) of
development, this little-browser-that-could has finally reached a milestone
to be proud of.

If you're as much of a Firefox buff as I am, maybe you might want to let
some of your IE using visitors and friends know of this lightweight
(4.7mb!), safer, feature packed alternative. I'll stop there before I sound
too evangelical.

Go here and grab it from the official website at
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/, though
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/1032985422/1 and
http://www.download.com/Mozilla-Firefox/3000-2356_4-10335582.html?tag=lst-2-
4 might have it in your hands a little quicker. Download.com has registered
nearly a million downloads! Holy Toledo!

There are also a couple of Torrents running too:
Windows version:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0/win32/en-US/Fire
fox%20Setup%201.0.exe.torrent 
Linux version:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0/linux-i686/en-US
/firefox-1.0.tar.gz.torrent 

If you're a web developer, you can't miss out on installing extensions like
the 
 Web developer extension - a plethora of tools, too many to list!
 Colorzilla - a colour picker and zoom tool, DOM inspector and more.
 JavaScript debugger - Venkman JavaScript debugger in an extension.
 IE View - View the current page in IE, for those stubborn sites built old
OLD school, or for testing your latest creation.
 FirefoxView - just like the previous extension, just in reverse!
 Html Validator - works in the view source window, great when you're
offline or at a client site with just a browser and insert text editor of
your choice!

Go and check them out at
https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/?application=firefox, though the
Firefox extension site may be a little busy for a while.

One other thing I have noticed is that the native stylesheet switcher in
Firefox has not made a comeback - however there is an extension out there
called Style Sheet Chooser that has brought it back from the forgotten.

Ok, that's all from me on the Firefox front. Hope it helps.

Brendan.

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[WSG] IES and Firefox issues

2004-07-07 Thread Brendan Smith
I apologize in advance for the HTML email - using a web based client without the 
option to change to plain - expect a new client soon!
 
Precursory info:

*   
Yup, it validates (HTML and CSS)
*   
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/ gave me a pat on the head!
*   
Sorry about the secure URL, it's the only place I'm allowed to play in public.

I'm having issues with the treemenu on the left in firefox, and with the positioning 
of the content area in IE.

Firefox will not display scroll bars when the tree expands beyond the dimensions of 
it's containing div. (Finger in mouth, Dr Evil style) IE does, why won't firefox? What 
am I doing wrong there? (Before you rush to its defence - yes Firefox is a gift from 
the HTML Goddess)

IE will play silly buggers with my main content area. When re-sizing your browser, it 
will let/make the content area jump below the tree menu. What-tha? (Before you rush to 
his defence, Rove is a Wally). Do I have a dimension error? Last time I checked 25% 
and 75% equalled 100%! Still I'm sure I've stuffed it - I just can't see where...

Supplemental Project info:

(If you're interested) This is a web app that will facilitate: 

*   image searching, annotation, display and indexing/archiving (of all 
document/mime types)
*   email subscription/management for the delivery of bulk information (invoice 
delivery, con-note retrieval etc, anything from the archive above)
*   bill payment of above said documents/archive contents
*   customer service facilities (for phone based assistance)
*   JSP and beans with side helping of Oracle 10.g served on jBoss in Windows and 
Linux flavours
*   blah blah blah - you get the picture...

All the above systems are alive and kicking - this is just a rewrite of several 
interfaces into one standards based layout.

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[WSG] IES and Firefox issues - Link included

2004-07-07 Thread Brendan Smith
Yes, it's that secure I forgot the link:
https://monitor.hpa.com.au/ies/
 
 
I apologize in advance for the HTML email - using a web based client without the 
option to change to plain - expect a new client soon!
 
Precursory info:

*   
Yup, it validates (HTML and CSS)
*   
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/ gave me a pat on the head!
*   
Sorry about the secure URL, it's the only place I'm allowed to play in public.

I'm having issues with the treemenu on the left in firefox, and with the positioning 
of the content area in IE.

Firefox will not display scroll bars when the tree expands beyond the dimensions of 
it's containing div. (Finger in mouth, Dr Evil style) IE does, why won't firefox? What 
am I doing wrong there? (Before you rush to its defence - yes Firefox is a gift from 
the HTML Goddess)

IE will play silly buggers with my main content area. When re-sizing your browser, it 
will let/make the content area jump below the tree menu. What-tha? (Before you rush to 
his defence, Rove is a Wally). Do I have a dimension error? Last time I checked 25% 
and 75% equalled 100%! Still I'm sure I've stuffed it - I just can't see where...

Supplemental Project info:

(If you're interested) This is a web app that will facilitate: 

*   image searching, annotation, display and indexing/archiving (of all 
document/mime types) 
*   email subscription/management for the delivery of bulk information (invoice 
delivery, con-note retrieval etc, anything from the archive above) 
*   bill payment of above said documents/archive contents 
*   customer service facilities (for phone based assistance) 
*   JSP and beans with side helping of Oracle 10.g served on jBoss in Windows and 
Linux flavours 
*   blah blah blah - you get the picture...

All the above systems are alive and kicking - this is just a rewrite of several 
interfaces into one standards based layout.

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RE: [WSG] IES and Firefox issues - Link included

2004-07-07 Thread Brendan Smith
My theory: the auto height on #tree_menu_container expands the container to
fit the content.  Therefore the browser sees no need to add scrollbars.

OK - I'll play with that and see how I go

Probably a combination of the 100% width + 1px border on the table (which
presumably will have tabular data).  Try removing the table width, changing
it to 99% and/or removing the table border.

The more I look at it, the more it seems to be the case. I'll have to think of a 
better way to add that border, maybe on an element inside that container?

Incidentally, the javascript locked up MSIE for over a minute (after initial
loading) and it was loading something like 180 files (presumably images).
Ouch.

Yep - I found that out too - that stuff is to support transparent pngs in IE. I use 
pngs in the tree menu - and in the background of the table cells. Looks like I'll have 
to throw it. It's a javascript trick from youngpup.net to apply that nasty 
transparency filter in IE.

Thanks for taking the time to look.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Bert Doorn
Sent: Wed 07/07/04 8:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] IES and Firefox issues - Link included



  Firefox will not display scroll bars when the tree expands beyond the
dimensions of it's containing div.

My theory: the auto height on #tree_menu_container expands the container to
fit the content.  Therefore the browser sees no need to add scrollbars.

 IE will play silly buggers with my main content area. 

Probably a combination of the 100% width + 1px border on the table (which
presumably will have tabular data).  Try removing the table width, changing
it to 99% and/or removing the table border.

Incidentally, the javascript locked up MSIE for over a minute (after initial
loading) and it was loading something like 180 files (presumably images).
Ouch.

Regards
--
Bert Doorn, Better Web Design
www.bwdzine.net
Fast-loading, user-friendly websites

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RE: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...

2004-03-08 Thread Brendan Smith
And by the way ... I'm your father. 
 
Am I to take it then that CSS is essentially a bunch of Jedi mind tricks?
 
Brendan



From: Universal Head [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 09/03/04 4:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...


Good one Ross! Nice site ... though maybe a bit more leading in the body copy would 
make it easy to read (sorry for being picky). 

And by the way ... I'm your father. 

Peter ;) 


On 09/03/2004, at 4:00 PM, Paul Ross wrote: 


As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the 
light 
and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. 



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RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

2004-01-19 Thread Brendan Smith
Awww heck - I don't mind. Well for as long as Pete F stays on the list anyhow ;)
 
31 - 32 in June.
 
So, stop your whinin'  grin
 
Brendan



From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 19/01/04 4:12 PM
To: Web Standards Group (E-mail)
Subject: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old




There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting to the list, so 
here goes some OT goodness:

A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one 16, both must 
be pretty competent web designers from the links they've posted, especially Plone, i 
love what they do!   Made me feel a bit long in the tooth at 27, so I started 
wondering how old you gurus are?  Would be good to get an idea of where we sit 
demographically...

p.s. if you don't want to post your age on the list, feel free to email me direct if 
you really want to be part of my little survey...

Regards,

Miles.

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[WSG] Recommended CSS navigation code?

2004-01-14 Thread Brendan Smith
Hi all,

After two days of stalling, I'm now in the proverbial. I need to find a CSS based drop 
down menu somewhat like the suckerfish menus for an intranet project that grew too 
big. I've checked out a few, none really grab me. I had built a menu out of Aaron 
Broodman's ypSlideOutMenus, but it all got too confusing for the users (God knows how, 
it was simple! Too much motion maybe.).

I need it to handle just two levels of navigation, with maybe the possiblity of 
handling a third. It's no biggie if it only handles two however.

Suckerfish doesn't make the grade visually, mainly because the menu is generated from 
a DB and different users get different options. Suckerfish's set menu item width makes 
for an ugly misalignment for items like: IT and Lodgements.

Any options will be considered. The winning menu gets to be in the most convoluted 
project in modern times.

Brendan

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RE: [WSG] Web Editor?

2004-01-11 Thread Brendan Smith
Title: Web Editor?









Happy
new year all! Have kind thoughts for a poor fella who starts work again today
after a short holiday break.



Good question Taco.



Im currently building an online
template based CMS that I have sold to a hosting company. I originally had
grand plans of beautifully marked up code being the end result, but it seems
that the embedded content editor is the weakest link. Most seem to completely
lack the ability to drive the formatting from a CSS file. My goal was to
completely control layout from a CSS template. Not to mention that tags like font,
i, b, and our other friends are used in abundance.



I have looked at:



http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/
(just bloody awful)

http://www.editlet.com/testdrive/dhtml/dhtml_test.htm#
(bad html output)

http://www.siteobjects.com/pages/soeditorfaq.cfm
(No cross browser, no mac)

http://www.interakt.ro/products/KTML/
(span style=font-weight: bold; and font tags!)

http://www.devedit.com/
(No cross browser, no mac)

http://www.editize.com/
(looks great, but no mention of css)



However Im using (till something
better comes up):

http://www.ephox.com/product/


It seems to have the right notions about
what is correct mark-up. The Java 2.5 version even mentions the W3C Tidy app
and mapping B and I to STRONG and EM. Works cross browser, you can limit the
HTML file you are using with content editable regions, apply strict CSS use
its got some good things going for it. It comes in lots a
different flavours too. Version 3.0 for windows looks like a real hum-dinger. Cleans
imported MS Word code.



Tell em the price son!.
She aint cheap. Check the pricing page for your preferred version.



Im giving serious consideration to
(as of this email!):

http://www.wysiwygpro.com/index.asp
(cross browser, cheap! seems compliant to a degree, uses CSS (even against a
HTML snippet))



I gave serious consideration to:

http://www.interactivetools.com/iforum/P15734/
(cross browser, spell checker, open source!)

but the lack of CSS implementation is what
again nabbed that idea.



For more info, refer to these lists 
pretty comprehensive!

http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html#os

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Authoring/HTML/WYSIWYG_Editors/



Hope this helps



Be great to see some input from others!



Brendan



!!! A BIG PS !!!



PS. Is there anyone out there who wants
to chat about building CMS sites? I could really use a sounding board for some
ideas, and gain some direction from those who might have had some experience.
Too many ideas and a limited attention span are really playing havoc with this
wee project.



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Message-
From: Taco Fleur
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Sent: Monday, 12 January 2004 9:32
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Web Editor?



What Web Editor out there produces the cleanest and
most valid code? 

- Editor that is embedded in IE (seen it, produces
really nasty markup) 
-
Editor that is embedded in Netscape (no exprience) 
-
Ektron (used it many years ago, was pretty happy with it) 
-
. 
- Etc.


And which one works in most of the browsers?


Taco Fleur
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[WSG] Bookmark plugin: Was: do people still use bookmarks?

2003-12-12 Thread Brendan Smith
With all the OT posts lately - I don't feel as guilty posting this : )
 
I have always wanted to be able to make my bookmarks available. From anywhere. 
Everywhere. Home, work, cafe's, mate's houses - even the in-laws. Maybe even my dingy 
PDA.
 
I always envisioned it being a plugin that worked in three modes:

1. Use the plugin as a sidebar/dropdown etc within the browser app to display my links 
(good for public spots)
2. Use the plugin to add a subfolder to the browsers bookmarks and import them (good 
for frequently visited friends houses)
3. Use the plugin to trump my local bookmarks and refresh/update them (for everything 
under my control [que evil laugh])

The plugin would have to have a spot on the net it could publish the bookmark file too 
and of course read it back to a local cache. The bookmark file would have META data 
(probably a badly mixed term) that could hold last visited details, my notes, etc. 
This file would be valid XML (of course), prime for add-on 
link-swapping_blog-publishing_P2P-bashing goodness.
 
The remote file would only be updated when a bookmark was added, or an option to save 
the bookmarks was used so as to keep the 'net chater down. Its transactions would be 
regular HTTP methods (form posts/gets etc.), nothing that could be gazumped by your 
friendly Hitler Youth run IT Dept and 3rd reich filtering firewalls.
 
I would like to see it for firebird, though it would be better if it ran cross browser 
- so I could use it on whomever's PC I'm at. It would also mean that you could update 
your bookmarks between browsers breeds easy as pie.
 
Imagine your treasured favelets available at your beck and call - at your grandmothers 
house!
 
Nothing worse for me knowing that I bookmarked an answer for a doosie problem in my 
browser at work, while I'm stuck at home with just that very doosie. With google 
changing it's spots - who's to say I'll ever google the answer back?
 
One downer might be that the ctrl-d and equivilent bookmark shortcuts might not work, 
but only a small worry - right? Another would be the remote storage spot. It would 
have to be able to do the processing of the bookmark file. I see two options - a 
hosted space with a user name and login, and secondly - a page you throw on your own 
server that you configure the bookmark plugin to use. 
 
An add-on for MT and other blogging apps would propogate quickly too (I reckon). Point 
your bookmark plugin to your Blogging add-on and update your blog rolls and favourites 
while you keep your local browser up to date.
 
A ubiquitous bookmark. Neat huh? Would you use it? What would you add?
 
Brendan
 
PS - If anyone has an inkling of how to start such a development project - I'd love to 
hear from you.
PPS - If you think it's a good idea - then it's my copyright - ok? ; )
PPS - Yep - I run off at the mouth - but I luuurve this idea.



From: Ben Boyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 12/12/03 5:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] do people still use bookmarks?




do people still use bookmarks?

For myself, only rarely. I recently read a post on a search engine list
(I-Search, very good if you're looking for something on the topic) where it
was suggested that people do not bookmark/remember URLs as often these days
because it's so straightforward to just go to google and type it in.

I'd never thought about it really, but realise now I'm guilty of this
behaviour... trying to track down places I remember through the search
rather than bookmarking at the time I visit.

Thought it was worth a mention. I still think it's nice to have a URL that
can sort of be read ... nothing like session strings in the address bar to
make you feel you really are dealing with the inhuman face of a company! :)

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RE: [WSG] Sydney Workshop: Practical CSS Page Layout - it's on!

2003-11-10 Thread Brendan Smith
Well - I'm half convinced.
 
I even have the go ahead to get some corporate dosh to pay for it!
 
But two questions:
 
I'm kinda ofay with CSS, aware of the box model, I even know it needs tweaking  - but 
I never can get it quite over the line so to speak. Is this the guy to help?
 
This course is cheap - really cheap. Instead of complaining it's too expensive - my 
dept heads are asking why so cheap? - so, why so cheap?
 
Thanks ppl!
 
Ps - Nearly pulled off my first full css based client layout, just two damned issues I 
can't eradicate!



From: russ weakley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 10/11/03 9:47 PM
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] Sydney Workshop: Practical CSS Page Layout - it's on!



For those who have joined recently, the Sydney CSS workshop with John
Allsopp (Westciv) is now definitely happening on Friday 5th December and
there are still some free places!

Further info:
http://www.westciv.com/courses/workshops/index.html

Application form (print and post):
http://www.westciv.com/courses/workshops/form.html

WSG members get a 10% discount.
Thanks
Russ

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[WSG] OT: multiple IE versions

2003-11-10 Thread Brendan Smith
Just a bit of an update:
 
It's now possible to run both Internet Explorer 3 and Internet Explorer 4.01 in 
addition to 5.01sp2 and 5.5sp2 (and 6.0!) all on the one machine.
 
Get the gump here: http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php
 
The files required are zipped and ready for exploitation.
 
Now all we windows users need is to get Mac IE and Safari running without an emulator. 
I can dream can't I?
 
Brendan
 
 
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