Re: [WSG] Design a DropDownList

2010-03-03 Thread Bruce P
This is much better than the other suckerfish. I find people get confused as 
well in ie when clicking on the top ite locks it down, and all other top links 
also stick down.

What browsers does this not work in?

thank you

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ruthie BenDor 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Design a DropDownList


  I've just implemented a dropdown menu of this sort, and ran into some IE6 and 
IE7 bugs using the sons of suckerfish approach. What worked for me was Sons 
of Ursidae method, http://css-class.com/articles/ursidae/ . 


  One gotcha: Note that if the dropdown menu overlaps with a select element, 
in IE6 the select will bleed through the dropdown menu. My project was 
already using the jQuery library, so we used a plugin called jquery.bgiframe.js 
to insert an iframe 'shim', and then used conditional comments to serve this 
JavaScript only to IE6. I'm sure that this approach can be adapted to work 
without the library dependency.

  Cheers,

  Ruthie

  On Mar 3, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Haydyn phillips hay...@haydynphillips.com wrote:


http://htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/

Best
Hayd


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  Does anybody know any link how to design dropdownlist control in css 
including listItems as well.?

  Thanks!
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Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages

2010-02-27 Thread Bruce P
Smal player and an off button one can find immediately is a prerequisite 
:)


Bruce
- Original Message - 
From: Lesley Lutomski ubu...@webaflame.co.uk

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM
Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages



Hi all,

I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some advice.

I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web site. 
I've tried to dissuade them, but without success.  What is the most 
acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this?  UK licensing 
requirements differ depending on whether the music is downloadable or not, 
so I need to sort out the method in order to advise them on the licences. 
I'm still hoping the complexities of the licensing system will succeed 
where I've failed and put them off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd 
be most grateful for some input here.


Thank you.

Lesley


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Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest

2009-08-03 Thread Bruce
Acually, reading between the lines it looks like he really wants to stay...

Bruce

  - Original Message - 
  From: Tony McNulty 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest


  Just for that I think we should keep him on!


--
  From: Brett Patterson 
  Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:35:16 -0400
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Re WSG Digest


  Please remove this user from the group ASAP!

  --
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  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Daniel Rowan 
danielpaulro...@googlemail.com wrote:

Stop emailling me you fucktards i unsubscribed leave me alone!


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:40 PM, TapirDesigns desi...@tapirdesigns.co.uk 
wrote:

  I am currently away until 5th August but will get back to you as soon as 
possible on my return.


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Re: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Bruce
I have found using a service such as http://www.addthis.com/ which includes add 
to favorites/bookmark is fine.

Bruce Prochnau
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Andrew Maben 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites?


  I am not so arrogant as to even wish to speak for this list, but on my own 
account I'll say that this question is disingenuous. Obviously our work 
constantly involves balancing requirements. An important part of that balancing 
act is to provide the benefit of our expertise to stakeholders. And painful as 
it may be, part of that includes educating people who do not yet understand 
that this truly is a new medium and as such all too often old approaches are 
irrelevant or counter-productive - e.g. in spite of a growing body of evidence 
on banner blindness, naive site owners often still want banner-like graphics.


  In the context of the given question (and no you don't need to explain 
marketing to me - I've worked in advertising for 20+ years) the call to 
action falls *outside* the vendor environment (the site) and into the 
customer environment (the browser). As mentioned by others, this 
functionality is *already available* to any user, should s/he choose.


  Having said that, I would suggest to the client that this is at best 
unhelpful, at worst intrusive. But there are simple ways to encourage a user to 
share the site on delicious, facebook, etc. and these provide value to both 
vendor and customer - and are not limited to a subset of browsers, and can 
be standards-compliant.


  Andrew


  www.andrewmaben.net
  and...@andrewmaben.com


  In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions.

  (Forgive me if this duplicates the prior version)


  On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Steve Green wrote:






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Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
Sent: 25 March 2009 16:19
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Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites?




This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web
Standards.


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Is this list interested in discussing how to balance the conflicting
requirements of various stakeholders (including marketers) or does it take
the dogmatic position that compliance with web stardards trumps everything
else?


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Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Bruce
Agreed, I thought this was the WSG, I didn't sign up for CMS ads and updates 
thanks.

Bruce
bkdesign solutions

  - Original Message - 
  From: Peter Dolkens 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest


  Ya, then there's posts like:

  ==
  From: Sigurd Magnusson sig...@silverstripe.com
  Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:43:04 +1300
  Subject: SilverStripe 2.3.0 released.

  The open source SilverStripe CMS and MVC framework (PHP5) has now had
  a v2.3.0 release:

  It brings a significant set of new features, described at:
  http://www.silverstripe.org/silverstripe-2-3-0-released-1000s-of-improvements/

  Cheers,

  Sigurd Magnusson.
  ==

  and the millions of silverstripe events being posted. They themselves aren't 
so bad
  but it's pretty obvious that either the rules aren't being followed, or 
they're being pushed.

  This is a standards mailing list, not a hey check out open source project X 
mailing list.


  On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Mark Harris w...@tracs.co.nz wrote:

Glen Wallis wrote:

  Am I the only person on this list who is sick of the constant and blatant
  advertising for this Content Management System? Don't we have rules 
against
  this? If so, they are not being enforced.




I thought the post was brief, informative and to the point. If everyone on 
this list with a commercial or open source product or service is prevented from 
speaking about it at all, we'd lose a lot of content. I don't think Sigurd's 
posts are over the top, any more than the numerous Dreamweaver, Joomla, Drupal 
or insert_CMS_name_here posts, and I do think you're over-reacting just a tad.

Cheers

~mark



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Re: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites?

2009-01-17 Thread Bruce


If one thinks about Web Standards, then views the source the answer is very 
apparent


Bruce
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- Original Message - 
From: Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites?



What did you find to be so bad about the site, Stuart?


-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Stuart

Foulstone

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:11 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites?


Perhaps the students should code the site - they couldn't do much worse!

On Fri, January 16, 2009 7:00 pm, Fred Ballard wrote:
 Take a look at Sullivan High School's http://www.sullivanhs.org/. As 
 you

 can
 see in the homepage's lower right corner it's from the Chicago Public
 Schools, http://www.cps.k12.il.us/, with a company, Educational 
 Networks,

 http://www.educationalnetworks.net/, behind it.

 Is it too slick? I'm of two minds. It's great that it's a good-looking
 site,
 but it might be nice to let the students be the designers. I don't
 actually
 know what the students think about it, on the other hand.

 Fred

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Lane d...@egressive.com wrote:

 Oops - should've been Disclosure rather than Disclaimer :)

 On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 15:21 +1300, David Lane wrote:
  Disclaimer: I've had occasional association with the work being done
 at
  Hagley, and have been a guest speaker to the computing students on a
  couple occasions :)

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Re: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites?

2009-01-16 Thread Bruce
The students are very likely to know more about web standards than whoever did 
these...lol

Bruce
bkdesign solutions

  - Original Message - 
  From: Fred Ballard 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Examples of great high-school websites?


  Take a look at Sullivan High School's http://www.sullivanhs.org/. As you can 
see in the homepage's lower right corner it's from the Chicago Public Schools, 
http://www.cps.k12.il.us/, with a company, Educational Networks, 
http://www.educationalnetworks.net/, behind it.

  Is it too slick? I'm of two minds. It's great that it's a good-looking site, 
but it might be nice to let the students be the designers. I don't actually 
know what the students think about it, on the other hand.

  Fred


  On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Lane d...@egressive.com wrote:

Oops - should've been Disclosure rather than Disclaimer :)


On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 15:21 +1300, David Lane wrote:
 Disclaimer: I've had occasional association with the work being done at
 Hagley, and have been a guest speaker to the computing students on a
 couple occasions :)


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Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Bruce


Andrew November 24, 2008 10:59 AM



On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote:


Wow! You hand code

For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only
way available if you want to get it right...


...although its a long road

Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply, and follow the
excellent advice that others here have offered, I think you'll find
it's quite easy to find your way, and to find others who will be
happy to help when the going gets tough.

Good luck!

***

12 years ago on asking advice in starting down this road, a very wise 
engineer told me,

Always code by hand. Use notepad or similar...

While that was a difficult undertaking, it is the best advice I have had.
I still use a basic editor on occasion, one such as cute html or similar is 
actually fine. Everyone has their fav, and that's ok, as long as it doesn't 
do everything for you and one learns nothing.


But I have developed a system and basic web standards template system that 
works, so I have many examples of what I use all the time for clients set in 
new templates.


Now I mostly work with a CMS such as ExpressionEngine and have developed a 
Web Standards template system that I modify as needed for all my clients.


I firmly believe that reinventing the wheel for every site is not the best 
practice. And that browser hacks
may be sometimes required. A lot of the time not, and we may end up using 
them to save time.


When one gets a solid foundation and understanding that hand coding offers, 
one is never stuck in understanding the underlining principles and what is 
wrong when things just don't work as expected.


I don't know why it don't work, dreamweaver did it isn't the way to 
impress clients! lol


Best viewed in anything you want is a good label to apply to your sites, 
and perhaps what Web Standards is all about.


Good luck, do it the hard way and you will know the road well.

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Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Bruce


kate wrote:


Thanks Bruce,

Best viewed lolol was funny to read because about three years ago someone 
created an awesome site for me with Wordpress. He worked the China Red 
theme and wrote nin the sidebar best viewed in IE5 or higher.


I never knew then about testing in different browsers and I really don't 
think he did either. One day someone sent a mail to me to say did I know 
its the only browser your site works in *is IE5...honest to God Bruce when 
I put it in  Validator (someone said to) there was over 400 errors. That 
lol was my first hard lesson learnt.


I would not know how to hand code in Notepad but I am impressed by people 
that can..who knows I may try it.

Thanks Bruce!
Kate


a help I came across 3 years ago was Layout Gala, a series of layouts by 
Alessandro Fulciniti.

http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/

I found looking at these in an editor, and making changes such as adding 
inner div's taught me a lot.

They have been rock solid across all browsers and op systems.

I'm not saying everyone should make all sites with these, but saying these 
and others done by members here are a definite shortcut to learning, 
preferred from stating by scrating your head and looking at a blank screen 
in an editor lol.


Of course there are many other methods that can and should be learned, and 
sites such as maxdesign and positioniseverything, (and many others in this 
group!), have a ton of important and vital information.


To be the best, learn from the best...

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Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Bruce


kate wrote:



Wow Bruce,
I transferred my code from Dreamweaver to Notepad gave it the .index.html 
and bingo even images..wow my giddy aunt I am amazed.

lolol
Positive from this is no upgrades for Dreamweaver.
Kate



wow my giddy aunt I am amazed.

This statement is destined to go down in Web Standards history...

Dreamweaver is, I am sure, an awesome tool. Tools can be used and serve a 
function for sure.
Many prefer using such and that is fine and ok (not that I am in a position 
to be any kind of authority 'cause I'm not), principle would be a personal 
understanding of how things work and why, and not allow a tool to be our 
learning.


Perhaps a good way to put it, Tools are best used when we don't need them

Bruce




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Re: [WSG] I am away on leave [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-06 Thread Bruce

i ain't sayin a word!
Nope
zip - nuttin

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Re: [WSG] URL length best practices

2008-11-04 Thread Bruce

Todd Budnikas wrote:

Wondering if people have insights into the length of a url for an 
article, and whether or not it is recommended to complete the name of  an 
article in the url. For instance:

http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/10/do-collaborative-online-groups-need-to.html

The name of this article is Do collaborative online groups need to be 
successful. The url above strips out be-successful. This may be the 
part of Blogger, or the author, but I've seen it in other instances  with 
different Content Management systems as well. I personally would  have 
added the additional words. Thoughts?





I've always disliked short url's. Often they get cut off in silly and 
nonsensical  places.

There also may be a 'little seo' involved.
Mostly personal preference methinks.

The main issue is planning article titles to be as short as possible to 
begin with as the menu's have to be there as well.

eg: Online Groups Success?
And for menus we want short titles as much as possible...

But personal preferences always rule, much like underscores or dashes, or 
the forbidden, Which CMS?

Ford or Chev?
lol

Bruce
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Re: [WSG] URL length best practices [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-04 Thread Bruce


From: silky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] URL length best practices [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Todd Budnikas [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
i completely agree with Justin, and all points from just about everyone 
who

responded, so thanks. A follow-up question is then do you paraphrase an
article title into a url, or just chop it?
/music/a-fresh-and-powerful-new-cd-from-the-most-influential/
or
/music/influential-musician-new-cd/

where article title is: A fresh and powerful new CD from the most
influential musician of our generation





Thats a sentence, not a title ;)
Powerful New CD would suffice.

But changing a lot of existing titles would be a pain with all the redirects 
needed...


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Re: Can I widen the question? Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what

2008-08-13 Thread Bruce


From: Joseph Ortenzi wrote:

I shortened the URL for you.
That discussion was 2006 so I hope there are more on offer now as  opposed 
to then...

http://is.gd/1q4a
Joe


I would suggest using the forum. Someone created a thread there  about 
this

topic already:
http://forum.webstandardsgroup.org/discussion/25/standardsaccessibilty-frien
dly-shopping-cart-/


How does the url go from one domain to another?
http://forum.webstandardsgroup.org/discussion/25/standardsaccessibilty-friendly-shopping-cart-/

Much less being unreadable as to content

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Re: Can I widen the question? Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what

2008-08-13 Thread Bruce

Looks like the forums require a separate application to use?

Bruce
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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: Can I widen the question? Re: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does 
what




I shortened the URL for you.

That discussion was 2006 so I hope there are more on offer now as  opposed 
to then...


http://is.gd/1q4a

Joe

On Aug 13, 2008, at 17:07, Kepler Gelotte wrote:


If anybody is likely to collect a list of tools and software that  can
(or can be made to) deliver standards based content, it should be  us; 
any

idea how we could list and share?


I would suggest using the forum. Someone created a thread there  about 
this

topic already:

http://forum.webstandardsgroup.org/discussion/25/standardsaccessibilty-frien
dly-shopping-cart-/



Best regards,

Kepler Gelotte
Neighbor Webmaster, Inc.
156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854
www.neighborwebmaster.com
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Re: [WSG] Marking up a Calendar

2008-08-05 Thread Bruce


8bits Media wrote:

We currently have a project that includes a calendar in the design.  
The dilemma I currently have, is what is the best way to mark the  
calendar up? Should we use tables, or is it more semantically correct  
these days to use an unordered list?


I'd be very interested to here peoples thoughts on the matter.

Thanks,

Nick Lazar
8bits Media


To me a calendar is columns and rows of data, so a table works fine.

Bruce
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Re: [WSG] Aligning a menu to the bottom of a div

2008-07-29 Thread Bruce Martin

Michael Horowitz wrote:
I have a horizontal menu in my header div and I would like it to be  
aligned at the bottom of my div instead of the top.


Try this

#header {
  position: relative;
  height: 5em;
  background: #CCC;
}
#header ul {
  position: absolute;
  bottom: 0;
  left: 0;
  width: 100%;
  margin: 0;
  padding: 0;
  text-align: right;
  background: #900;
}
#header ul li {
  display: inline;
  background: #5D2;
}

Position relative on the header will make it the container for the  
absolutely positioned list.



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Re: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3

2008-07-10 Thread Bruce

Paul wrote:
Lets keep it positive folks. It won't be pretty if we start assigning value 
to people by how their sites look through the validator.


No kidding!
I recently checked one page on my site and had 102 errors.
Some could come along and say, What a lousy job, I'll never hire nor 
recommend him!


Truth is, I had updated my cms and didn't check pages being valid as in 
general they are, but a bug in cms update made it wrap paragraph tags around 
my div's, which it hadn't before. I didn't notice for quite a while.
Removing the p tags fixed errors. So judging would have been completely 
unfair and wrong...


Bruce
bkdesign

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Forcing a vertical scrollbar in Firefox 3


Hi Jen,

Your comment may have come across as a bit more negative than it was 
intended, however:

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fairfax.com.au%2Findex.ac
(46 errors)

He who lives in a glass house etc, etc...

My opinion (and it is just that) is the we need to stop being so critical 
about trifling matters like this. I applaud Opera for their involvement in 
web standards and for their commitment to put a resource like this together 
even when it doesn't seem to offer a direct business benefit for them.


Lets keep it positive folks. It won't be pretty if we start assigning value 
to people by how their sites look through the validator.


Happy Friday :)
Paul


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Re: [WSG] inline images in p

2008-06-04 Thread Bruce

http://www.netmechanic.com/news/vol7/html_no10.htm

Bruce
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From: Andrew famiano [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] inline images in p



the problem is the alignment. how do you align the image centered with the
text?

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:34 AM, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:




On 4 Jun 2008, at 15:23, Andrew famiano wrote:

 What's the best way to display inline images in a p?





non, img src=facebook.png alt=facebook congue, arcu.

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-15 Thread Bruce
Agree here, I really have to dislike someone to put their email on a webpage 
in a readable format, there are scripts to hide it.


Bruce
bkdesign

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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email




Accessible or to keep them not readble from the search engines and SPAM??

Michael


Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:

What is the most accessible method to have email links on web pages?


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Re: [WSG] Making Video Accessible

2008-04-03 Thread Bruce

I would say sub titles for sure.
I found 2 players that are excellent for this, the open source player by
http://www.jeroenwijering.com
using SWFObject embed
and javascript php player
http://www.rich-media-project.com/

There's probably others I am sure but these are excellent/ easy to add 
subtitles-captions
For plugins that may be a different matter as one is limited to the plugin 
then, which is why I seldom use them.

Bruce Prochnau
bkdesign solutions

- Original Message - 
From: Viable Design [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: [WSG] Making Video Accessible



Hello. I recently found a video embedder plugin that works well with
WordPress and validates perfectly with a strict doctype. But I realize
validation does not equal accessibility, so what exactly needs to be done 
to

make video accessible? Is it a matter of adding a subtitle track?

Thanks for your help.
Jo Hawke
http://www.viabledesign.com


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Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-24 Thread Bruce
I would also make sure a way of turning the music off is immediately 
apparent. Nothing is more annoying than having to look all over to find off 
button

Looks like someone borrowed a thread name? lol
Bruce
bkdesign solutions

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction


I always remind people if music auto starts the potential customers can't 
come to your site at work because they won't want their boss to hear the 
music blaring.

Michael Horowitz
Your Computer Consultant
http://yourcomputerconsultant.com
561-394-9079



dwain wrote:



On 3/17/08, *kevin mcmonagle* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


hi,
Im doing a site for a nightclub.  So im doing a hybrid.
The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously.
What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing 
music

track?


i would suggest allowing the user to stop the music if they so choose. 
not everybody likes the same music or song, so he could lose many 
visitors because of the continuous track with no way to stop it.  on the 
other hand a visitor could mute the sound.

dwain

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Re: [WSG] CMS review

2008-02-28 Thread Bruce
This conversation comes up frequently. Unfortunately most of what are called 
content management systems do not let the developer determine what shows in 
the published template, as they are wrapped around the core programming and 
difficult to customize and change at will..

Thus the question for a standards producing cms.

What is needed is a cms that has the template code in the open in {x}html 
format which allows unlimited customization of it.

Then the tags representing the data are added in.
title, body, extended text, custom fields etc.
These also are simply containers of data, without markup aside from 
paragraph and break tags, and the developer adds what he/she wishes for css.

Separation of data and formatting/presentation. Perfect rss. Freedom.

Over the last five years I looked for this. I found 2 out of over 40, and 
every new one out is the same, inaccessible.

These two are Movable Type and Expression Engine.
The templates contain what YOU want them to, the cms simply gives you the 
tags representing the data which is usually plain text.


Perfect, the CMS is as Standard as YOU make it, not as Standard as the 
original programmer decides.


Freedom is a good thing, yes?

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions



- Original Message - 
From: Webb, KerryA [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] CMS review


Alysia wrote:


Hello.

I have just discovered this australian based company Powerfront. I am
really interested in some feedback.

Here is an example website which I think is pretty good
http://www.goodshepvic.org.au/



It prompts you to download Flash 9 - which people on locked-down
computers may not be able to do - and doesn't let you know what happens
if you don't do it.

I don't think that's pretty good.

Lots of empty ALT attributes, for non-decorative elements.

Text size is not adjustable in IE6.

Kerry

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Re: [WSG] CMS review

2008-02-28 Thread Bruce

 One of the goals of MySource Matrix is to allow the end-user to

customise every single piece of output text without development.


Does this mean that I can add a menu below the banner by simply adding the 
html to the template, and css to the css file?
Change the Doctype at will, edit any template or add new additional ones? 
Customize what shows in a menu using html in the template itself,  limit 
items in the menu in the template and not in some admin WYSIWTG editor?


The principle wanted is that the template that shows an article for example, 
is 100% editable and accessible in it's entirety for editing.
If yes, I'll have to take a look cause haven't found but 2 in over 5 years, 
and I do this full time.


Thanks
Bruce
bkdesign

- Original Message - 
From: Avi Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] CMS review




On 29/02/2008, at 4:10 PM, Bruce wrote:

What is needed is a cms that has the template code in the open in 
{x}html format which allows unlimited customization of it.


One of the goals of MySource Matrix is to allow the end-user to  customise 
every single piece of output text without development. I  reckon we're at 
about 98% coverage on this and we urge our clients to  alert us if there 
is a piece of content generated by MySource Matrix  that isn't 
customisable, so we can fix it. :)


We also strong believe in standard, compliance and accessibility and 
strive to provide a CMS that enables all of these.


cYa,
Avi

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Re: [WSG] re: generate data

2008-02-23 Thread Bruce
I would certainly add this to the mix along with the links there, all 7 
chapters :)


http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/
along with
http://icant.co.uk/

Bruce
bkdesign



On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:53 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


i'm more of a designer than a developer.  my knowledge of javascript is
limited.  i am currently reading: javascript, the definitive guide by 
david

flanagan.  help me out here please, if i'm off base or need more
information.



i don't understand why someone would code a page and use javascript that
would make the page not available without it.


would someone like to point me to some references on how to use 
javascript

in a standards compliant way and have a go at the above question?


hijax

http://xtech06.usefulinc.com/schedule/paper/29



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Re: [WSG] Decorative bolding

2008-02-11 Thread Bruce
I'd use span and a class, then if they change their mind or want it 
red-green etc is easy to change


Bruce
bkdesign
- Original Message - 
From: Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: [WSG] Decorative bolding


Hi everyone,

I have a client who requires part of their name to be bolded within the body 
text for brand reasons.  This I see as decorative, therefore it would not be 
correct to strong it...


Do I:
a. Use the b tag, or...
b. Use a span tag and bold it using CSS?

What everyone think??

Thanks,
Rachel



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Re: [WSG] help with picture alignment in CSS

2008-02-10 Thread Bruce
On xp windows I see the thumbs half in the white area rest in right brown.in 
ie7 and firefox
Moving .gallerycontainer position to less 200? if you want them in white and 
changing .thumbnail:hover SPAN to suit?


Bruce
bkdesign



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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:41 AM
Subject: [WSG] help with picture alignment in CSS



Hello,

I have a site here that I've been trying to add some pictures to.  I have
IE7 and Firefox and it looks good but my client is seeing things different
with her IE.  The pictures at the bottom, 6 of them should be lined up all
in a row but are not.  I put the code I am using inside the page and in
this email.

Can someone take a look and let me know if they can see what is going on
here.

Thanks.tg

Here is the link:

http://www.rejuvenatespas.com/test.html


*///
///

style type=text/css

.gallerycontainer{
position: absolute;
/*Add a height attribute and set to largest image's height to prevent
overlaying*/
left: 430px;
}

.thumbnail img{
border: 1px solid white;
margin: 0 5px 5px 0;
}

.thumbnail:hover{
background-color: transparent;
}

.thumbnail:hover img{
border: 1px solid gray;
}

.thumbnail span{ /*CSS for enlarged image*/
position: absolute;
background-color: lightyellow;
padding: 5px;
left: -1000px;
border: 1px dashed black;
visibility: hidden;
color: black;
text-decoration: none;
}

.thumbnail span img{ /*CSS for enlarged image*/
border-width: 0;
padding: 2px;
}

.thumbnail:hover span{ /*CSS for enlarged image*/
visibility: visible;
bottom: 0;
left: 300px; /*position where enlarged image should offset horizontally */
z-index: 50;
}

/style

*///
///



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Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-29 Thread Bruce
Is Microsoft going to pay me my time to add another tag to the head of every 
page on every clients site I've ever done?

NOT
So it won't happen, why should we spend even more time on MS screwups?

Or am I misreading all this?

Bruce
bkdesign

- Original Message - 
From: Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:18 AM
Subject: [WSG] This IE8 controversy



Hi

I just like to ask if it might be possible to turn off this version 
freezing thing in IE8, maybe with some markup or something. I agree with 
Drew Mclellan when he said in his blog that old browsers must die.


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Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-29 Thread Bruce

...Too much work for those that aren't in the know.
Chris.

I disagree. Why should I make fixes on my clents sites because ie8 doesn't 
work properly?


I won't, and what I know has nothing to do with it. MS says it would cost 
too much to change the engine. well, too bad, I'm not going to with my time 
fix their errors.


Bruce
bkdesign


- Original Message - 
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy



Chris Knowles wrote:

Chris Broadfoot wrote:

Chris Knowles wrote:
  I don't see how opting-in to standards by adding a meta tag does
  anything for me or anyone else. Except for Microsoft of course, by
  allowing them to do the right thing at last and create a decent 
browser
  while at the same time not doing the right thing and ignoring the 
mess

  they created.
 

I don't think they're ignoring the mess they created at all.. Is 
adding a meta tag really too much work to provide your users/visitors 
the viewing experience they should have?




Yeah actually I agree, they're not ignoring the mess. Just actively 
covering it up by enlisting yours and my support.


My users/visitors should get the right viewing experience by default, not 
by having to opt-in. On the contrary, if you wish your users/visitors to 
NOT get the right viewing experience, is opting-out by adding a meta tag 
really too much work?




Too much work for those that aren't in the know.

Chris.


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Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-29 Thread Bruce
Precisely and well said,

bruce 
bkdesign

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ben Buchanan 
  snip/


  Consider it this way: is any other browser maker asking you to modify every 
single HTML document you publish, just to fix a problem *they* created? ...and 
not for the first time, given MS already expects us to load up our sites with 
conditional comments and extra stylesheets...

  It really wouldn't matter so much if they were making IE8 default to IE8, 
then letting people set it back to IE7 if they actually need it. This way 
around ticks people off for the same reason SPAM ticks them off - they didn't 
ask for it!

  cheers,

  Ben


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Re: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript

2007-11-13 Thread Bruce
One thought.

Being Web Standards Group, look for Unobtrusive JavaScript. Google helps :)

Bruce
bkdesign solutions
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rob Mason 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:18 PM
  Subject: [WSG] Idiot's guide to JavaScript


  Hi guys,

  Am comfortable with HTML/CSS and accessibility in general, but struggle with 
JavaScript. I'm not a developer by trade, am a business type (sales and 
marketing) so most oft he stuff is well over my head. I am looking for a really 
basic, plain English guide to JavaScript. Either on or offline will do. 

  Any thoughts?

  Thanks in advance

  Rob

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Re: [WSG] CSS help

2007-11-01 Thread Bruce

For some time now I have used the below as a foundation.
Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner 
etc


I have tested these in 98 operating system/browser combos and they are rock 
solid:

http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/

Bruce P
BKDesign

- Original Message - 
From: Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:34 PM
Subject: [WSG] CSS help



Dear Group,

I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this
question is simple.

The problem:

I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my
style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in
my output display start to develop. They very often become messy and
conflict-ridden. My style sheets end up being very long and don't
cascade well.

The question/advise/thoughts:

Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to
prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching
it up?

Any help from an already helpful discussion forum most appreciated.

Thanks, Rob


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Re: [WSG] CSS help correction

2007-11-01 Thread Bruce

oops,
Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner 
etc


should be: .nav_inner, .content_inner etc
Using the rule to not pad/style  a primary layout div.

Bruce

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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS help



For some time now I have used the below as a foundation.
Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner 
etc


I have tested these in 98 operating system/browser combos and they are 
rock solid:

http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/

Bruce P
BKDesign

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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:34 PM
Subject: [WSG] CSS help



Dear Group,

I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this
question is simple.

The problem:

I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my
style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in
my output display start to develop. They very often become messy and
conflict-ridden. My style sheets end up being very long and don't
cascade well.

The question/advise/thoughts:

Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to
prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching
it up?

Any help from an already helpful discussion forum most appreciated.

Thanks, Rob


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Re: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-31 Thread Bruce
Personally, and perhaps I am too motivated towards simplicity, I use three 
images.

One across the top, one in middle, one for bottom.

I find JavaScript annoying as I watch the corners filling in after page 
loads.
Four to six images using css are better, but still problematical for 
alignment,loading,  and extra css.


Bruce
bkdesign



James Jeffery wrote:

What methods do you find best when creating rounded corners and
which methods are the most supported?

I have been using span tags and absolute positioning. I have also
recently started to use the sliding doors method because you can
achive nice rounded boxes with some nice effects, even better if
you use PNG's.

Using the span method i did find a bug in IE 6, the 2 corner span's
wouldn't sit flush with the bottom of the containing div, although it
displayed fine in every other browser i tested it on and they could
be resized fine. It was odd though, because IE 5.x display them
perfect, was just IE 6.

Lets have your beloved methods then guys.

James





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Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash

2007-10-16 Thread Bruce

Kit Grose wrote:

One of the more horrible problems drop-down menus experience.



It appears it is universal, a client said he wanted a site similar to 
www.time.com


Going there, guess what the top menu does...
http://www.time.com/time/business


Bruce
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Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS

2007-09-12 Thread Bruce
 Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between 
 Joomla,

 Drupal or Plone?


These and related are as accessible as their programmers make them. I find 
them all difficult to configure for the reason that one is limited my 
mambots, modules, plugins, etc which are made to add functions and wysiwyg 
editors. All the code in the templates (if they can be found even) is 
integrated into the core and is difficult at best to edit. I find even 
wordpress editing out code I add to templates and becoming increasingly 
unusable.


Expression Engine on the other hand is as accessible and Standards based as 
YOU make it. The templates are in the open and stand alone in the sense they 
aren't wrapped around the core programming and they will output anything put 
in them. All the xhtml code is right there and not dependent on other core 
programming or functions.


Bruce Prochnau
bkdesign solutions

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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:44 AM
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On 9/12/07, Marghanita da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tee G. Peng wrote:

 On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Web Dandy Design wrote:

 Hi,

 Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between 
 Joomla,

 Drupal or Plone?

 Modx cms

snip
Does anyone have any thoughts on Text Pattern?
http://www.textpattern.com/


I do: use Wordpress http://www.wordpress.org/


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Re: [WSG] Julie Watkins-Lyall, Ruairi, is away from the office.

2007-08-10 Thread Bruce
Can't something be done about these out of office replies? I get tired of 
deleting them...


Bruce P
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I will be out of the office starting  10/08/2007 and will not return until
19/08/2007.

I am attending a conference and will respond to your message when I 
return.

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Re: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-20 Thread Bruce

I think the thread here would be summed up as:

Most everyone would agree pdf is a usefull file format with special 
qualities and good.

There is nothing wrong with the pdf format.
PDF isn't a web format and causes some people problems in both usability and 
irritation.


Having a link that says Read this or read more etc, and surprise surprise, 
a new browser window opens up and some people get locked up while waiting 
for this unexpected event to take place...is a no no


Would about sum it up. Myself, I would say:
Clearly indicate the format and maybe suggest downloading, especially if 
very large,

State size of file.
If smaller file offer it in html format, especially when part of the site...
Otherwise, it isn't a bad thing, just when not clear what exactly it is, and 
size.


My 2 cents anyways..

Bruce P
bkdesign


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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Saying that PDF's are needed by Government Websites is a very circular
argument for allowing them - why are they needed? In my experience it is
only ever because of laziness or poorly designed workflows, and as you
point out, we all hate them, especially when they cannot be opened/read.

Mike

I have worked for an organization that uses PDF's in their loan 
application process.  They have to send some of the filled out forms into 
the Small Bu and therefore they have to follow a specific format for the 
forms.  It would be confusing and time consuming to create multiple 
versions of the form--since if anything ever went to court they would need 
a copy of the exact form a user filled out--not one where the information 
had been transfered over to a new form.


If anyone is interested in reading, here is an Adobe article on PDF 
accessibility.


http://www.adobe.com/enterprise/accessibility/reader/sec1.html


Matthew


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Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Bruce
Personally and from a usability I feel pdf's belong in the office, not on 
the web. As a definite download link and have a choice between viewing it as 
html or a pdf download. I hate seeing pdf becoming more popular.


Bruce P
bkdesign

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Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] 
To target or not




I'm all about web conventions.  I didn't realize having a blank target
didn't follow web standards.  Is that documented somewhere?



This one still bothers me ...

The alternatives I've seen invariably require javascript and some of those 
javascript methods give the user less choice and are also not well suited 
for user-generated content (often created with wysiwyg editors)


I'm seeing a very annoying trend lately where quite a few sites are 
forcing pdf's to open in a new browser window with javascript.
I do not think it is acceptable to force people to wait over a minute with 
a locked up browser for a slow plugin to start without warning!
- at least give them the option to right-click and download it for offline 
viewing!

(or better don't use pdf - use html! )

Government-related sites seem to be the worst offenders - They seem to 
have almost everything as pdf


Until they fix browsers to not lock up while loading slow plugins or they 
fix acrobat reader to start more quickly I'll continue to regard sites 
that force people to view pdfs in a browser as being about on about the 
same level as those nasty porn sites with endless chains of popup windows.










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Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - dont close it yet admin!

2007-07-12 Thread Bruce Kyle
Graphic Design vs Web Design - the keyword here is design, both 
processes use the principles of design to solve a problem. We all use 
repetition, balance, emphasis to create a product suitable to our 
clients/overlords/users. let's not get hung up on the media.


There's no doubt in my mind a part of any good website are the 
graphical/textual elements, but a successful solution must include a 
whole host of other disciplines (useability, accessibility etc).


From my experience a typical web project involves taking an existing 
organisation into the wierd wide web. They already have a fancy logo, 
colour scheme, marketing strategy. The hard work is integrating it into 
a relevant web structure so everyone from grandma with her win98/IE4 to 
young johnny on his playstation 3 browser can use it to find whatever 
they wanted to find when they googled the org's keywords.


Bruce
(broken a few wooden spoons in my time!)



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Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - THREAD CLOSED

2007-07-12 Thread Bruce
Hopefully it will be kept in mind that some of us come to our email clients 
and go through the emails from top to bottom.

I'd hate to be unsubscribed because of this practice.
One would have to scan through all messages to make sure its safe to reply 
to any...maybe not a bad idea, but one could get to a point of not saying 
anything then.


Bruce P
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THIS THREAD IS CLOSED

This is the second reply to a closed thread. No more!

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Thanks
Russ



on 13/7/07 12:51 AM, Bruce at wrote:

...As long as you have an endless appetite for learning more and more 
all

over the board, before you know it you'll be pretty far along with your
knowledge

There really is no end to it, daily I am updating my skills and seem 
always

to reach out
and make that latest script I just mastered do even more.
The only problem I have with this as a one man shop is that I spend more
time learning than working on clients sites.

Alas, I have not yet made my million...one  more skill needed...ten to
ignore - have no time...so I learn priorities...foundations.
Web Standards.
Content Management.
Then the programming skills. After four or five years doing this full 
time

and five part time, being  from a construction background I speak of
foundations a lot.

Standards are that foundation.

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Re: [WSG] Who's A Front End Developer?

2007-07-04 Thread Bruce
This is an interesting discussion. I find I cannot/don't want to call myself a 
web designer, and have been using the term developer because of the fact I am 
more into and better at php, mysql, xml and the cms aspect than design.

Designer- appearance, structure including web standards layout.
Developer- the mechanics of the site, publishing it (cms), programming up to a 
poficiency level (grey area), and development of xml, php, databases etc..
Programmer - works with a major programming language at a very high proficiency 
level and can program from scratch.

I consider web standards and the cms the foundation that all three build upon.

Bruce P
bkdesign

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  I'm interested in the front end part of the Dutch group's name.

  We were having a discussion at work the other day about which skills you 
should have to have in order to call yourself a web developer.

  I just finished a project which required knowledge of the following:

  * HTML
  * CSS
  * Javascript
  * XML
  * Perl or PHP
  * SQL

  but what's the minimum set of skills we think someone should have to call 
themselves a web developer?

  You could make a case, I'm sure, for just HTML and CSS. You develop 
(non-interactive) web pages with HTML and CSS. Javascript is really a 
programming language. Should AJAX be listed seperately?

  However, if that's enough to call yourself a web developer, what do we call 
someone with all the skills above?

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Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

2007-07-04 Thread Bruce Morrison
Hi Mark

On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 21:42 +1200, Mark Harris wrote:
 James Jeffery wrote:
  No all meta tags are depreciated, and i cant see them being either, google
  still uses the meta=description , as also bruce has pointed out.
  
 
 Not to pick on you, James, because Bruce already used it, but the word 
 is deprecated not depreciated.

Actually I didn't use the word at all in my post. 

 And before someone picks on me for being a spelling-nazi, the words have 
 significantly different meanings, and it's important to use the right one.

Thanks for pointing out the difference, was a new one to me.  

I actually think that in the context that meta tags have
depreciated (lost value over time) in a SEO sense. I'd tend to see
deprecated as a more technical term and as far as I know meta tags
have not been marked as deprecated in current specifications.

Anyway English is not my favourite subject but if you'd like to debate
it further lets do it off list.

Cheers
Bruce

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Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags

2007-07-03 Thread Bruce Morrison
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 19:04 -0400, Brian Cummiskey wrote:
 Joyce Evans wrote:
 
  Is it important to include the following as part of the meta tags on 
  web pages?
 
  meta name=robots content=index,follow
 
 No.   Meta tags are all but depreciated at this point.  he only common 
 one still being used is the langauge/charset type.

Most possibly getting off topic but meta name=description content
=meta description here /  WILL be used by google for the description
under the title in search results.

Cheers
Bruce

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RE: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions

2007-05-30 Thread Bruce Morrison
Hi Mark

On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 23:29 +0100, Mark Hedley wrote:
 Be interested to see if anyone can recommend a robust solution geared
 for UK E-commerce using Protx VSP Direct + 3D Secure.

eZ Publish has Protx Plugin 
http://ez.no/community/contribs/workflow/protx_payment_gateway

I haven't used it so I can comment on weather it uses VSP Direct + 3D
Secure

Cheers
Bruce

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Re: [WSG] ive given up on css

2007-05-16 Thread Bruce Gilbert

On 5/16/07, Ben Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Here's a link to put a smile on your face anyway, old school web design
 studio at it's best:
 http://www.wizwebz.co.uk ... (I kinda like it for some inexplicable
reason)


last updated their home page in 2000. That is old school!


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Re: [WSG] Odd behaviour in Opera and Safari

2007-04-09 Thread Bruce Martin

Rachel May wrote:

http://skylight.web1.heliocell.com/professionals--community- 
groups.aspx

odd behaviour in Opera and Safari - the page headings are
going small after the page is loading.


In Firefox with web dev extension, Edit CSS shows niftyCorners.css is  
not found.
The 404 error page that it shows for that stylesheet has a H2 style  
{ font: 8pt/12pt verdana }


Bruce



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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

2007-03-01 Thread Bruce

Bob Schwartz wrote:
I am in the process of converting my javascript library to  nonobtrusive 
js.


Where could I go for help in converting these?


Perhaps related:
http://redotheweb.com/2007/02/28/unobtrusive-javascript-made-possible/

Bruce P
bkdesign

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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help


Thanks Mordechai,

I'll start with the easy one first:

var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if (yr!=2003)document.write
(copy; +yr); myplace

which gives me: © 2007 myplace

Here's my pathetic attempt:

window.onload = function() {
  var para = document.createElement(p);
  var txt1 = document.createTextNode(copy; );
   var year = new Date().getFullYear();
   var now = year;
   var txt2 = document.createTextNode()
  var txt3 = document.createTextNode( FIFe);
  para.appendChild(txt1);
  para.appendChild(txt2);
  para.appendChild(txt3);
  var testdiv = document.getElementById(testdiv);
  testdiv.appendChild(para);
}

and think I know where it is wrong
I need to get it to write the year (ex-document +yr) in the () of the
txt2 node, but I don't know how to do it.

I also don't think the if (yr!=2003) from the old js is necessary,
but I may be wrong


Bob Schwartz wrote:
I am in the process of converting my javascript library to  nonobtrusive 
js.


Where could I go for help in converting these?

Here, for one place. Can you be more specific about the problems?


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[WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check

2006-03-09 Thread Bruce



Hi all,

I have a large site launch in a few days at a big 
show in Germany. 
Now I have the top menu with a 10-12px gap at the 
end which I cannot remove no matter what I do. Its only in IE (figures). If I 
try making it wider it breaks, and is perfect in FF.
It has to be a padding issue but cannot figure it 
out.
Page is fixed width, 770px.
html and css is here:
http://www.bkdesign.ca/menu.txt

Site:
http://69.94.122.44/new.php?/caribbean/category/antiqua/

If anyone has an idea it would be really 
appreciated.

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions


Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check Fixed

2006-03-09 Thread Bruce



Now I know why I never write in. Ten minutes after 
sending this I found the problem,,, rather fixed it.
Overflow hidden on the wrapper did the trick, 
something was forcing the site wider.
Spent hours not being able to fix it, write to the 
list and find it in ten minutes.

Conclusion? Looks like the way to fix the 
unsolvable is to write to the group, even if no body answers the answer comes 
anyways lol

Bruce

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Bruce 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:10 
  AM
  Subject: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site 
  Check
  
  Hi all,
  
  I have a large site launch in a few days at a big 
  show in Germany. 
  Now I have the top menu with a 10-12px gap at the 
  end which I cannot remove no matter what I do. Its only in IE (figures). If I 
  try making it wider it breaks, and is perfect in FF.
  It has to be a padding issue but cannot figure it 
  out.
  Page is fixed width, 770px.
  html and css is here:
  http://www.bkdesign.ca/menu.txt
  
  Site:
  http://69.94.122.44/new.php?/caribbean/category/antiqua/
  
  If anyone has an idea it would be really 
  appreciated.
  
  Bruce Prochnau
  BKDesign 
Solutions


Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check

2006-03-09 Thread Bruce



I noticed just after I posted that it wasn't the 
menu as front page was fine. Am checking widths
Overflow hidden fixed, but that isn't really a 
fix.
Thanks!!

Bruce

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:24 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site 
  Check
  
  Hi Bruce,
  
  I think you are looking in the wrong place. The 
  issue is not with your menu!!
  
  It looks to me like your 3rd column is pushing 
  the maincontainer out beyond it's intended width of 770px. Good 
  luck!!
  
  Cheers
  
  Nathan
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Bruce 
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:10 
PM
Subject: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site 
Check

Hi all,

I have a large site launch in a few days at a 
big show in Germany. 
Now I have the top menu with a 10-12px gap at 
the end which I cannot remove no matter what I do. Its only in IE (figures). 
If I try making it wider it breaks, and is perfect in FF.
It has to be a padding issue but cannot figure 
it out.
Page is fixed width, 770px.
html and css is here:
http://www.bkdesign.ca/menu.txt

Site:
http://69.94.122.44/new.php?/caribbean/category/antiqua/

If anyone has an idea it would be really 
appreciated.

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign 
Solutions


Re: [WSG] Horizontal Menu- Site Check

2006-03-09 Thread Bruce


Joshua Street wrote:

No help there right now, coz I'm at home and without access to IE,
BUT... I do have a bug report for you.

Firefox 1.0.x/Linux (and presumably on every other platform, and
probably 1.5 also) your menubase.gif background for the
Destinations menu (left column) really isn't working too well. I
sized the text up and down and still couldn't get it to match the
lines in the background image. You probably should seriously think
about putting that background on the LI instead, because it's...
moderately broken at the minute (I imagine it could/would also be
broken in IE at non-default (or even default) text sizes, too).

That aside, I like the site... especially the front page... nifty
boxes! (Mind you, the smaller square content boxes are doing some
funky stuff with enable/disable CSS with web developer's toolbar in
Firefox... suffice to say you won't have too many people with that
problem outside this list! ;-))

Josh
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Thanks Josh,

I see the menu situation now thanks, will throw it into the li.
I have no idea what you mean when disabling css and the boxes on main page, 
they are all background images in the stylesheet so when I disable styles 
they dont show...


Feedback is appreciated thanks! This one was a big job and continuing but 
very close to releasable..



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[WSG] Validate -nolayer?

2006-03-09 Thread Bruce

I'm getting this and find nothing on a search: element nolayer undefined

It's part of an existing site forms so have to keep it as far as I 
knowhow do you define nolayer?


Thanks

Bruce

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Joshua Street wrote:

No help there right now, coz I'm at home and without access to IE,
BUT... I do have a bug report for you.

Firefox 1.0.x/Linux (and presumably on every other platform, and
probably 1.5 also) your menubase.gif background for the
Destinations menu (left column) really isn't working too well. I
sized the text up and down and still couldn't get it to match the
lines in the background image. You probably should seriously think
about putting that background on the LI instead, because it's...
moderately broken at the minute (I imagine it could/would also be
broken in IE at non-default (or even default) text sizes, too).

That aside, I like the site... especially the front page... nifty
boxes! (Mind you, the smaller square content boxes are doing some
funky stuff with enable/disable CSS with web developer's toolbar in
Firefox... suffice to say you won't have too many people with that
problem outside this list! ;-))

Josh
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Thanks Josh,

I see the menu situation now thanks, will throw it into the li.
I have no idea what you mean when disabling css and the boxes on main 
page, they are all background images in the stylesheet so when I disable 
styles they dont show...


Feedback is appreciated thanks! This one was a big job and continuing but 
very close to releasable..



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Re: [WSG] Technical Aberrations?

2006-01-15 Thread Bruce
The simplebits is very interesting. But it seems angled images in a list
that change aren't do-able using CSS without tables and some kind of image
replacement technique. A pic is worth a thousand words so I have made a link
to the mockup with a menu item hi-lited.:
http://www.bkdesign.ca/mockup5.pdf

Personally I don't think this can be done, but I'm an amature,

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign
Rob Mientjes wrote:
 On 14/01/06, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I don't mean to make this into a lesson on adobe photoshop on this
list,
  perhaps I shouldn't have written in. Mostly was wondering about the use
of
  pdf images in design and angled images in lists. These are supposed to
be
  angled images in a list menu that fit tight together...and change on
  mouseover. Don't know if thats possible.

 It is, but it will require some smart positioning. I don't have the
 time right now to give you an example, but it's certainly doable. It's
 even doable without images, I think (borders and such).
 http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2004/07/12/bulletproof_slants.html
 is also a method.

 HTH

 -Rob.
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[WSG] Technical Aberrations?

2006-01-14 Thread Bruce
A bit ago I had a question on pdf image files which was answered by quite a
few, and appreciated.
I'm a bit of a beginner at standards and been making sites for a quite a few
years and online ten. In that time I have made quite a few sites, starting
with tables, and recently moved to CSS and standards, but always learning,
especially with the assistance of the WSG.

The client I referred to was nice enough to separate the pdf site plan into
individual parts, about twenty of them and send them on. Very nice. I how
have twenty pdf files of small images of various shapes, images vary but are
around 61x72px and each one on a transparent background, which is 400px by
500px.
These are supposed to be inline menu items, all angled, all pdf. All large
backgrounds and no way to cut them out.
I now realize I can convert these in photoshop. Great. So now have small
angled jpg images on a huge transparent background. Just as useless. I'm
totally clueless and client wants it in a few days, and is willing to pay
good.

I seriously think I have some decisions to make:
I am such a rank amature that I should give it up to those more technically
inclined.
I live on a different planet and haven't seen this stuff before because of
that.
I have for the first time ran into someone who operates in a different
technical environment which I accidently had the good fortune to avoid until
now.
I'm right in thinking that this kind of complex stuff is archaic, and these
methods are by geeks and for geeks and have no place in designing websites
and only impresses those immersed in it.
I'm totally wrong in the above and a rank amature.
Give this site up and pretend it never happened.
Give the site up and put it down to an abberation that probably won't happen
again.

lol
Bruce Prochnau
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Re: [WSG] Technical Aberrations?

2006-01-14 Thread Bruce

wendy wrote:

 Bruce,
 Can you not place pdfs into Photoshop document and then crop and carry
 on from there with properly-sized image, or am I not understanding
 something?
 Wendy
I have separated one to actual size, the images are angled, but the edges
are square out of photoshop.
 I don't mean to make this into a lesson on adobe photoshop on this list,
perhaps I shouldn't have written in. Mostly was wondering about the use of
pdf images in design and angled images in lists. These are supposed to be
angled images in a list menu that fit tight together...and change on
mouseover. Don't know if thats possible.

Thanks
Bruce
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Re: [WSG] pdf graphics

2006-01-14 Thread Bruce
woops, sorry sent 2 the same, the main page was supposed to be one with no
text.
Hope they weren't too big.

Bruce

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From: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] pdf graphics


We're waaay OT now, but I can't resist just posting this last message
for those thinking about Photoshop-GIMP migration. GIMPshop! is a
re-working of The GIMP's interface to make it more Photoshop-like. I
haven't used it myself, because I recently went (was coerced into
going) the other way (i.e. GIMP-Photoshop), but I imagine it could be
worth a look if you're in the opposite boat.

http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=294

Josh
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Re: [WSG] pdf graphics

2006-01-13 Thread Bruce
Thanks all who answered.
I have to admit I never knew photoshop would open pdf.
Unbelievable perhaps, but nontheless...
Even version 5.5 opened tham and I was able to save as jpg.
Thanks!

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign
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From: Mark Desmet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] pdf graphics


 On Friday 13 January 2006 08:50 am, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote:
 GIMP is a fine program, but no replacement for Photoshop, it is just not
as
 robust.

 Mark Desmet

  This may be a bit off-topic, but I saw a few people mentioning GIMP.
  I'm a long time Photoshop user (since version 5.0), and Photoshop has
  been one of the excuses for staying a Windows user.
 
  Has anyone been a longtime Photoshop user and switched to GIMP, and not
  looked back?
 
  Maybe just email me if this is the case rather than pollute the list
  anymore than I just have.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Joseph R. B. Taylor
  Sites by Joe, LLC
  http://sitesbyjoe.com
  (609)335-3076
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Marilyn Langfeld wrote:
   On Jan 13, 2006, at 6:59 AM, kvnmcwebn wrote:
   are the graphics vectors?
   Opening from Adobe illustrator would
   keep everything nice and editable.
   -kvnmcwebn
  
   I second trying Illustrator first, Photoshop next. Recent versions of
   both will open the files. Illustrator's underlying format is pdf, so
   you can almost always open a pdf with Illustrator, then reestablish
   layers yourself if you have to and change measurements to pixels and
   make the size 100% or an even multiple of the pixel size you want--
   fonts may be a problem if you don't have the same ones on your
machine
   that were used in the pdf.
  
   Photoshop has a pdf import dialog box that allows you to decide on
the
   page if it's multipage pdf, ppi, rgb vs cmyk, size. There's no  layer
   support if the original was made in InDesign or Quark, but  layers may
   transfer if the graphic was made in a new version of  Illustrator.
  
   Best regards,
  
   Marilyn Langfeld
   Langfeldesigns
   http://www.langfeldesigns.com
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[WSG] horizontal list padding

2006-01-07 Thread Bruce
This seems incredible. I just spent 3 hours trying to make a simple
horizontal list 38px high with links centered and padded top and bottom. I
cannot do it, here comes tables for me.
Was at listomatic too.
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[WSG] horizontal list padding

2006-01-07 Thread Bruce
Formula for success.
 Get tired and frustrated, then write a note to web standards group
complaining.
Ten seconds later see a comma that was missed in stylesheet.

sheesh, sorry all

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Re: [WSG] horizontal list padding

2006-01-07 Thread Bruce
I find I cannot do a list today. Not one simple list that works in ie and
firefox.
4 hours
Bruce Prochnau


Jeff D. Reid wrote:

 We have all been there before Bruce... : )


  Formula for success.
   Get tired and frustrated, then write a note to web standards group
  complaining.
  Ten seconds later see a comma that was missed in stylesheet.
 
  sheesh, sorry all
 
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Re: [WSG] Could really use some help with image overflow

2005-12-21 Thread Bruce



In my banners/headers I almost always use 
background image...alternative is a % width.
Or am I missing something/being dumb?

Bruce Prochnau
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Barrie North 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:46 
  AM
  Subject: [WSG] Could really use some help 
  with image overflow
  
  
  Hi 
  all,
  
  I have a fluid layout and for the 
  life of me can’t get the image to be “cropped” as the screen 
  adjusts.
  
  Here is the 
  link:
  
  http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomlashack/
  
  If you resize the window the image 
  will stay on top. I have played with z-index, overflow:hidden. I can’t for the 
  life of me get this to work.
  
  Anyone fancy jumping in and 
  pointing out the obvious thing I am missing J 
  ?
  
  Barrie 
  North


Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Bruce
I've been watching this thread as being utterly relevant to what I have been
thinking a lot on.
A lot I believe still browse at 800, and hating bottom scrollbars (seen
wayyy too often, I have been looking for answers.

AN excellent article (see his demo!) is the man in blue:
http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/09/21/

Test the demo at different resolutions...one column text becomes 3 at 1024,
one at 800, right menu left aligned etc...
This is a very interesting and very relevant topic, no magic answers but I
would love to see more solutions...including % margins etc to deal  with
high res without miles of text.

I for one hate seeing narrow sites with yards of blank space, or the
sometimes seen left aligned sites on the left even.
So far I use fluid widths with the text eaxpanding to fit...
Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions

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From: Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions


 Stephen Stagg wrote:
  Slightly off-list but important all the same.
 
  I traditionally design sites to look good at 800x600 and best at
  1024x768.  Now, tho, it seems as if users visiting with resolutions of
  800x600 are around the 1% margin...

 It is the viewport size that matters, the screen resolution is
 essentially irrelevant.  It is an invalid assumption that everyone surfs
 with a maximised browser window; or even if it is, that it takes up all
 the space.  The browser may also have a sidebar or anything else which
 can take up any amount of space.

 Personally, my screen resolution is 1280x1024, but my browser window is
 usually around 900x900 - I do not like a browser taking up my whole
 screen.  In fact, that is even narrower than a maximised browser on
 1024x768.

 dd a sidebar to that, which would be roughly 200px wide when open, that
 leaves less than 700px width for the web site to play with, which is
 almost half the width of my screen resolution.  So please understand
 that any screen resolution statistics you find will be nothing short of
 completely useless.

 -- 
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 http://lachy.id.au/

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[WSG] Background position

2005-12-14 Thread Bruce
CSS rules state clearly  background-position vertical and horizontal
settings.
I can get a backgound anyplace from center to far right, but cannot get it
any distance from the top???
Is there any reason a backgound would not position with any values to be
down a certain distance from the top?
body {color: #000 ;  background: #FFF;
background:#FFF url(/business/images/mainbk.jpg);
background-position: 100px 150px;
font-family: Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 90%;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
Percentages nothin moves it down. Tried in another container and same, glued
to top???
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/backgroundposition.html

looks good but no work for me? weird...
Thanks
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Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility

2005-12-01 Thread Bruce
I gave up trying to do anything with Mambo.
Expression Engine, Movable Type, and Wordpress are Standards based and
simple and easy to configure, All three validate out of the box and don't
require a two year course and beating your head on the desk to
reconfigureafter several years of trying to use other systems I gave
Mambo and all nuke related  up as a lost cause.

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions

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From: Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:15 AM
Subject: [WSG] Mambo  Accessibility


Hi Guys,

I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMS
being used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS but
upon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It does
not even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text to
some images!

Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work
is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily
and hopefully web standards?

Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs?

Regards,

Lloyd
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Re: [WSG] Mambo Accessibility

2005-12-01 Thread Bruce
Woops, missed this:
If Mambo can be configured easy, as some claim, why has there not been a ton
of templates available long ago??? On different CMS type forums I see
problems mambo related all the time...

Nuff said ;-)

Bruce Prochnau
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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:15 AM
Subject: [WSG] Mambo  Accessibility


Hi Guys,

I have been asked to work on a web site and Mambo is the current CMS
being used. They want to, if possible, keep Mambo as they're CMS but
upon inspecting it I am surrounded by tables and poor markup. It does
not even seem possible (Without hacking the source) to add ALT text to
some images!

Is there a way to make Mambo compatible (A large reason for the work
is to allow blind users to get value from the site) with accessiblily
and hopefully web standards?

Is there another CMS that you would mention which may suit my needs?

Regards,

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Re: [WSG] Margins and floats

2005-11-29 Thread Bruce
Bert Doorn wrote:

 G'day
  Ended up, because content comes first, making the margin for the right
side
  menu 67% left.
  #content {float: left; width:65%;
margin-right: 15px;  }
   #links {padding-right:10px; margin-left: 67%}
  This seemd odd to me but it works...any comments, is this ok?

 Why not use % all the way (e.g on the padding)?  That way you
 won't have to worry about whether 15px is more, or less, than 2%

My initial post was the fact that I never thought of using a LEFT margin
from the menu for the main content. Maybe I was tired, but hadn't thought of
this, being so used to leaving a right margin for the menu when it was on
the right. So I spent over two hours trying to make the menu stay put
without success in both ie and firefox.

The menu left worked, surprised me, lol, but seemed strange to allow space
on the leftlearning here
Thanks all!!

Bruce Prochnau
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[WSG] Margins and floats

2005-11-28 Thread Bruce
Hi all,

I have been trying to fix a simple 2 col layout for a client. Maybe I'm
tired but couldn't get it to resize in both ie and firefox without float
drop, menu is left side. Nothing worked including right margins.

Ended up, because content comes first, making the margin for the right side
menu 67% left.
#content {float: left; width:65%;
  margin-right: 15px;
}
 #links {padding-right:10px; margin-left: 67%}

This seemd odd to me but it works...any comments, is this ok?

Thanks
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Re: [WSG] my rounded corner box isn't displaying correctly in IE

2005-10-31 Thread Bruce Gilbert
Thanks for the tip,

I tried adding this for IE in the CSS:

* html #box{/*used for internet explorer*/

 float:right;

 
 width:25em;

 background-color:#789;

 margin:0;

 padding:0;

 
 
 }
but I still get the added stuff for my box:

http://www.inspired-evolution.com/Accessibility.php

anything else I can, or should try?
On 10/30/05, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Classic box model problem.Don't apply padding or margins (unless zero)to block level elements width a set width.
Use an additional div for padding and margins.Joe Taylorhttp://sitesbyjoe.com


[WSG] my rounded corner box isn't displaying correctly in IE

2005-10-30 Thread Bruce Gilbert
I have a rounded corner box I am using with four images and it
displays fine in Mozilla...

http://www.inspired-evolution.com/About_Me.php

in IE, however, the right side of the box is flat. Can anyone offer
some suggestions in getting this to look as intended in IE?

the CSS is at :

http://www.inspired-evolution.com/Gilbert.css

thanks much in advance!
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[WSG] hidden link to webstandards page 4 older browsers - how does it work

2005-10-26 Thread Bruce Gilbert
Attn: Paul Noone 

Hey Paul (or others),

I noticed from the code sourceon the link you posted to have me look at your layout (
http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au/), that you have some text for a link to the standards page.

this:
div class=hide pThis site will look much better in a browser that supports a href="" href="http://www.webstandards.org/upgrade/">http://www.webstandards.org/upgrade/
 title=Download a browser that complies with Web standards.web standards/a, but it is accessible to any browser or Internet device./p
/div
with display:none in your CSS for the hide class.

I like this idea and wanted to implement somthing similar, but was wondering what was going on here since the text is beinghidden. Does this only show up for older browsers (eg: Netscape 4.0), and if so how is that being implemented?


This would be great for me and perhaps others to learn about.

thanks!!-- ::Bruce G:: 
www.inspired-evolution.com


[WSG] Trouble getting 3rd column to extend to footer

2005-10-25 Thread Bruce Gilbert
hello all,on a site I am working on (http://www.ncpersonalinjurylaw.com/php/Adams.php), my third column (the grey one) isn't extending down to the footer on its own. The third column is being called 'right_col' and the CSS specific to that column is:
#right_col {/*creates right column on page*/width:155px; padding:0 ;margin:0;background-color:#ccc;color:inherit;float:right;}* html div#right_col {/*creates right column on page, only IE sees this*/
width:150px; padding:0 ;margin:0;background-color:#ccc;color:inherit;float:right;}I know that that in itself doesn't tell you much so the full CSS can be located at:
http://www.ncpersonalinjurylaw.com/php/CSS/Global.cssI do want to point out that I was able to achieve equal columns using JS (the PVII equal columns technique), but I would prefer to get this working w/o JS. Also with the equal columns, things got messed up when I resized the text.
I have tried adding height :100% to the third columns div without success.Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciative.-- ::Bruce:: 


[WSG] Link behavior

2005-10-21 Thread Bruce



Hi all,

Hopefully there is an easy answer for this without 
overloading this with too much info.
My links in my sidebar on a new main site I am 
doing are underlined.
But the underline starts someplace in the middle of 
the link, not at the beginning.???
Has anyone seen this before and what could cause 
it?
Even setting all my links are now set to underline 
and it does the same.

Baffled

Thanks in advance
Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions


Re: [WSG] Link behavior

2005-10-21 Thread Bruce
Bingo! Padding...
Thanks to all who responded. Patrick's solution fixed it, but this is a case
where bugs brought out errors that although it passed validation, the code
was a mess, and all were right who answered. A combination of errors, or
perhaps better term would be messy, from poor work habits and being in a
rush

Bruce Prochnau


Patrick Lauke Wrote:
Don't ask me why (though I suspect it's because a is an inline element, so
applying padding
to the top/bottom is creating some confusion), but the culprit seems to be
the padding
applied to #sidebar a

Change padding: 3px 0px; to just padding: 0; and the underline works
properly again.

Patrick
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Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!

2005-10-04 Thread Bruce
Thank you Andreas, I had forgotten to read my newsletter from Jacob.
As usual he hits the nails on the head. Another good article.
And I thought I was normal...oh well.
But that's only me 2 cents of course.

Bruce Prochnau
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Andreas Boehmer said

 Somebody pointed out this article by our friend Jakob Nielsen to me:

 http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html

 Let's start with this little comment at the beginning:

 For this year's list of worst design mistakes, I decided to try something
 new: I asked readers of my newsletter to nominate the usability problems
 they found the most irritating.

 How useless is that?! People who subscribe to Jakob Nielsen's newsletter
are
 *not* normal. They are people who show interest in Usability, people who
 have got an above average understanding of Website Structure and Web
 Standards.

 Just take the first two biggest mistakes:

 1. Legebility (fixed font sizes, non-standard fonts)
 2. Non - Standard Links (javascript, opening windows, ...)

 Sounds familiar? Of course - it's the kind of stuff Web Standards and
 Usability people love chit-chatting about all day long (including us here
on
 the WSG list). But does it mean they are really the two biggest Usability
 problems around? I don't think so. Go onto the street and ask anybody
who's
 not absolutely fanatic with Usability or Web Standards what they find is
the
 biggest Usability problem. Will they answer Oooh, I am really annoyed
that
 I cannot change the font-sizes in my Internet Explorer browser because the
 evil programmer has set it to a fixed font-size? No, of course they won't
 say that. Because it's not the biggest Usability issue in the world, even
 though Usability and Web Standards discussions might make you think that.

 If I went and asked my mom what is the biggest usability issue would she
 respond Oh, Andreas, I hate those javascript popup windows when I click
 links. They are sooo non-standard and really confusing. CRAP! Of course
she
 won't, because it doesn't bother her as much.

 I am not saying these problems don't exist - of course they do. But I can
 guarantee you the public (our real users) would vote completely different
on
 what bugs them about website usability than what subscribers to Jakob
 Nielsen newsletter do.

 Just shows how much value you can put into the content on useit.com.

 Well, just my two cents.

 Andreas.


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[WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?

2005-09-27 Thread Bruce Gilbert
Hello,on a new site I am working on (http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/) inMozilla/FF. you get the horizontal and vertical scroll bars on some of the pagesand I know
the reason why. It is because I am overflow:auto on my content div. Iadded this after googling and finding this was a float clearingsolver.the content div has the following CSS:div#text_area{/*hiding from IE*/
background:url(bg_text_area.jpg) repeat-y;color:#333;text-align:left;border:0;padding-top:2em;margin:0;height:100%;overflow:auto;}If I don't have the overflow:auto in FF/moz the div doesn't extend
all the way to the footer like I want (the div in question is #text_area). Any suugestions on solving thisproblem in Mozilla, FF?

let me know if I need to provide additional information...full CSS:http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/main.css
-- ::Bruce:: 


Re: [WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?

2005-09-27 Thread Bruce Gilbert
Thanks Ted,

not sure I am understanding you correctly, though. Say you have a parent div you would to extend the length of your content, and within that parent div you have a div at the top that you want to not float, but fit the width of the parent, and below the top child div, you have two more twin dis, one floated left, and one right, each taking up about 50% or half of the parent div. What would be the solution for this? I don't think floating the parent would work in this case, unless I am misunderstanding you.

On 9/27/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Bruce
Try floating the content div instead. I've often found this to be the easiest fix. A floated parent will contain its floated children.


I've been writing a document for my fellow programmers about nested lists and if write parent/child one more time I think I'm going to change my name to Dr. Seuss.


Ted






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Bruce GilbertSent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:50 AMTo: 
wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?


Hello,on a new site I am working on (
http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/) inMozilla/FF. you get the horizontal and vertical scroll bars on some of the pagesand I know the reason why. It is because I am overflow:auto on my content div. Iadded this after googling and finding this was a float clearing
solver.the content div has the following CSS:div#text_area{/*hiding from IE*/ background:url(bg_text_area.jpg) repeat-y;color:#333;text-align:left;border:0;padding-top:2em;margin:0;
height:100%;overflow:auto;}If I don't have the overflow:auto in FF/moz the div doesn't extend all the way to the footer like I want (the div in question is #text_area). Any suugestions on solving this
problem in Mozilla, FF?



let me know if I need to provide additional information...full CSS:
http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/main.css -- ::Bruce:: -- ::Bruce:: 


Re: [WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?

2005-09-27 Thread Bruce Gilbert
that's more or less what I am doing, but

take a look at this page in FF

http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/About.htm

scroll bars are there, if I take out overflow:auto in CSS on div#text_area

it looks even worse cuz, in FF the div only extends as far as the #right_block_content on some pages.

my CSS for #right_block_content div is:

#right_content_block_index{/*used for vertical divider on home page*/float:right;width:35%;height:100%;padding-right:10px;
}

here is an example of a page which is messed up in ff w/o the overflow:auto

http://www.fortuneinteractive.com/Clients.htm

full CSShttp://www.fortuneinteractive.com/main.css


On 9/27/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


#wrap{float:left;}
#header {}
#maincontent {float:right; width:49%;}
#sidebar{float:left; width:49%}
#footer {clear:both;}

div id=wrap
div id=header/div
div id=maincontent/div
div id=sidebar/div
/div
div id=footer/div


Is this what you mean?
It's a very basic version of what you are describing. It works for me. 

Normally, I float the parent for areas where I'm afraid clearing an element will also clear the sidebar. I haven't tried it for the whole page layout. 


div id=gallery
dl
dtasdfa/dt
ddasdfasdF/dd
/dl

dl
dtasdfa/dt
ddasdfasdF/dd
/dl

dl
dtasdfa/dt
ddasdfasdF/dd
/dl
/div

#gallery {float:left; width:100%;}
#gallery dl {float:left; width:40%; margin:1em;}

Any feedback on this folks? 

Ted
www.tdrake.net










From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Bruce GilbertSent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:55 PMTo: 
wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] a better tsolution than oveflow:auto for Mozilla?


Thanks Ted,



not sure I am understanding you correctly, though. Say you have a parent div you would to extend the length of your content, and within that parent div you have a div at the top that you want to not float, but fit the width of the parent, and below the top child div, you have two more twin dis, one floated left, and one right, each taking up about 50% or half of the parent div. What would be the solution for this? I don't think floating the parent would work in this case, unless I am misunderstanding you. 


On 9/27/05, Drake, Ted C. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Hi Bruce
Try floating the content div instead. I've often found this to be the easiest fix. A floated parent will contain its floated children. 


I've been writing a document for my fellow programmers about nested lists and if write parent/child one more time I think I'm going to change my name to Dr. Seuss. 


Ted
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Re: [WSG] IE Showing Transparent - FIXED (sort of)

2005-09-17 Thread Bruce



I don't see any disharmony :-)
Was simple and easy to resolve and all is well as 
far as I can see.
Hopefully it won't get blown out of 
proportion.

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Mani 
  Sheriar 
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org 
  Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 1:00 
  PM
  Subject: [WSG] IE Showing Transparent - 
  FIXED (sort of)
  
  
  Again – I am sorry 
  for causing all this disharmony in the group. It was not my intention – 
  I acted without thinking as much as I should about it. I should have 
  alerted you folks that there was questionable content.
  Anyway, if any of 
  you are interested in the actual xhtml/css problem, this is my 
  solution:
  I never could 
  solve why IE was behaving that way BUT …
  Since the problem 
  is really only with the top buttons (those are the ones that are set against a 
  grey background), I gave the paragraph that contains them a class of ‘first’ 
  (in addition to it’s class of ‘btn’) and then in the stylesheet gave 
  p.btn.first a background of #e4e4e4 (light grey).
  Voila!
  
  Mani 
  SheriarSheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com 
  
  


[WSG] please ignore prvs. msg.

2005-09-16 Thread Bruce Gilbert
msg. sent to wrong group, sorry bout that :-)


[WSG] 2night

2005-09-16 Thread Bruce Gilbert
R U going to try and get to the art museum right at 7:00Heard from anyone else who is going??-- ::Bruce:: 


Re: [WSG] IE Showing Transparent Corners of Images as White - Until You Scroll Away and Come Back!

2005-09-16 Thread Bruce
Have we become reviewers of porn sites now?

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions
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From: Mani Sheriar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:04 PM
Subject: [WSG] IE Showing Transparent Corners of Images as White - Until You
Scroll Away and Come Back!


Hi All,

Please look here: http://www.manisheriar.com/form/vr/category_medicinal.htm
to see an example of this problem.

The two buttons ('view site' and 'full review') have transparent corners.
But in IE (not FireFox, of course) the top corners initially show up as
white, until you scroll away from them and the scroll back.

But then, if you hover over them, the hovered images have the white corners
and then once you mouse out the white corners are back!  (Until you scroll
away and come back again - then they are gone . again.)

Huh???

The html is this:

p class=btna href=# class=visitspanVisit Site/span/a a
href=# class=reviewspanFull Review/span/a/p

And the css is this:

#maincol p.btn {
float:right;
width:207px;
}
#maincol p.btn a {
display:block;
height:25px;
float:left;
}
#maincol p.btn a span {
display:none;
}
body.medicinal a.visit {
width:90px;
background:transparent
url(../images/general/buttons/medicinal/visitSiteBtn_off.gif);
margin-right:4px;
}
body.medicinal a.visit:hover {
background:transparent
url(../images/general/buttons/medicinal/visitSiteBtn_on.gif);
}
body.medicinal a.review {
width:113px;
background:transparent
url(../images/general/buttons/medicinal/reviewBtn_off.gif);
}
body.medicinal a.review:hover {
background:transparent
url(../images/general/buttons/medicinal/reviewBtn_on.gif);
}

Thanks in advance for any help!!

Mani Sheriar
Sheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com
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Re: [WSG] Flash elements

2005-09-13 Thread Bruce
Best I ever have seen:
http://blog.deconcept.com/flashobject/

Bruce Prochnau
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www.bkdesign.ca

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 http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/
 
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Re: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF!

2005-09-08 Thread Bruce Gilbert
On 9/7/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 3. You don't need the content wrapper either. All you really need is: wrapper header [clear] left_col, top_bar [break] center_col, right_col,
 [clear] footer close wrapper

by [clear] do you mean a clearing div?

eg:

.clearing{
clear:both;
}

div class=clearing/div
On 9/7/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yep, use photoshop to combine the left and right shadows and the blue column background in one image. Because you have a fixed width layout, they can be one background image.
cheers,Geoff.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
]On Behalf Of Bruce GilbertSent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 11:38 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF!
thanks for the advice/suggestions. How do you add more than one background to a div? Or are you saying to combine the shadow and blue left column image in photoshop? Not quite understanding that, sorry. Also, what about the right shadow image?
thanks,On 9/7/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bruce,It's not looking too good in IE either - enlarge the text and the content wraps below the left nav.
General advice: get it working on Firefox *first*, and then adjust to work on IE.Specific advice:1. Get rid of the wrapper divs - you only need the outer one.Put the background on the outer wrapper - you can include both shadows, the dark blue left column background, and the grey vertical line in the one background image. By putting all this in the wrapper background, it will extend to the whole length of the wrapper, and you won't need the Project 7 _javascript_ (which doesn't seem to be working for FF).
2. Give the header, the left column, and the footer a left-margin equal to the width of your left shadow.3. You don't need the content wrapper either. All you really need is:wrapperheader
[clear]left_col, top_bar [break]center_col, right_col,[clear]footerclose wrapper4. top_bar: right-align the text instead of using all that left padding.
hope this helps...cheers,--Geoff PackDeveloperABC New Media -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 2:05 PM To: 
wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF! I tested the following site I am working on in Mozilla and it's not looking too good at the moment.
 the URL is:http://www.semlogic.com/test/index.htm and the CSS is http://semlogic.com/test/CSS/Global.css
 some of the issues are the left menu isn't displaying properly, the background image for the left column isn't displaying and the footer background isn't extending to the content. Also, the grey bar at the
 top isn't looking right. Everthing validates, and it actually looks as expected in IE, but I know that these issues, are probably due to coding misjudgements, so if they could be pointed out, I would be greatly appreciative!
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[WSG] IE 5.0 fix assistance needed

2005-09-08 Thread Bruce Gilbert
Hello,

on my personal site at http://www.inspired-evolution.com, there are a few issues I noticed when viewing in IE 5 PC.


(1) the top graphic doesn't extend all the way to the right leaving a gap between the header and container.

(2) top menu is all bunched together and floating to the left below my header, and my bottom menu is doing something similar.

(3) the dark blue container background extendsbelow my grey footer background, which I do not want. eg: footer is notsticking tothe bottom like I intended.

If anyone can offer assistance in these fixes, I would be greatly appreciative!

URL: http://www.inspired-evolution.com
CSS: http://www.inspired-evolution.com/Gilbert.css-- ::Bruce:: 


Re: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF!

2005-09-07 Thread Bruce Gilbert
thanks for the advice/suggestions. How do you add more than one background to a div? Or are you saying to combine theshadow and blue left column imagein photoshop? Not quite understanding that, sorry. Also, what about the right shadow image?


thanks,
On 9/7/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bruce,It's not looking too good in IE either - enlarge the text and the content wraps below the left nav.
General advice: get it working on Firefox *first*, and then adjust to work on IE.Specific advice:1. Get rid of the wrapper divs - you only need the outer one.Put the background on the outer wrapper - you can include both shadows, the dark blue left column background, and the grey vertical line in the one background image. By putting all this in the wrapper background, it will extend to the whole length of the wrapper, and you won't need the Project 7 _javascript_ (which doesn't seem to be working for FF).
2. Give the header, the left column, and the footer a left-margin equal to the width of your left shadow.3. You don't need the content wrapper either. All you really need is: wrapper header
 [clear] left_col, top_bar [break] center_col, right_col, [clear] footer close wrapper4. top_bar: right-align the text instead of using all that left padding.
hope this helps...cheers,--Geoff PackDeveloperABC New Media -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bruce Gilbert Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 2:05 PM To: 
wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF! I tested the following site I am working on in Mozilla and it's not looking too good at the moment.
 the URL is:http://www.semlogic.com/test/index.htm and the CSS is http://semlogic.com/test/CSS/Global.css
 some of the issues are the left menu isn't displaying properly, the background image for the left column isn't displaying and the footer background isn't extending to the content. Also, the grey bar at the
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[WSG] site not looking good in Mozilla/FF!

2005-09-06 Thread Bruce Gilbert
I tested the following site I am working on in Mozilla and it's not
looking too good at the moment.

the URL is:  http://www.semlogic.com/test/index.htm

and the CSS is http://semlogic.com/test/CSS/Global.css

some of the issues are the left menu isn't displaying properly, the
background image for the left column isn't displaying and the footer
background isn't extending to the content. Also, the grey bar at the
top isn't looking right.

Everthing validates, and it actually looks as expected in IE, but I
know that these issues, are probably due to coding misjudgements, so
if they could be pointed out, I would be greatly appreciative!

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[WSG] Press Release - Party Politics Exclude the Disabled

2005-08-25 Thread Bruce Aylward
Title: Press Release - Party Politics Exclude the Disabled






Party Politics Exclude the Disabled

Political party websites discriminate against people with disabilities


26 August 2005 – A recent survey by W 3 A Limited of the accessibility of the big 6 political party home pages in NZ has revealed that all of them fail to provide even the basic facilities to make it easier for people with disabilities to access their sites.

For the complete press release please visit: HYPERLINK http://www.w3a.co.nz/PartyPoliticsPressRelease.htmhttp://www.w3a.co.nz/PartyPoliticsPressRelease.htm

Kind regards,


Bruce Aylward

W 3 A Limited

HYPERLINK http://www.w3a.co.nzhttp://www.w3a.co.nz


Mobile: +64 (0)27 224 3617

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Re: [WSG] iCalendar Questions

2005-08-22 Thread Bruce

Matt Hampel wrote:

Does anyone have any good iCalendar resources to share? Other than
hCal, I can't find many good iCal examples, let alone tutorials.

I hope this is an appropriate question for the WSG -- if not, where
else could I look for answers?

Matt Hampel

I would also be interested, a client contacted me yesterday about it. I
haven't looked into fitting Web Standards or what it is based on yet. CSS?

Bruce Prochnau
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Re: [WSG] tabbing through links

2005-08-21 Thread Bruce
Tabbing of course happans automatically.
However, on a three column layout I added a top hidden nav that showed on
focus that linked to each column so the visitor could choose the column to
tab down.
Is this what you mean?
If so, unless someone here has the info at hand I will have to look it up.

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions

 On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:51:05 -0500, dwain alford wrote:
  i would like for visitors, with and without scripting enabled, to be
  able to tab through the links on the page.  how would i accomplish
  this?  i did a google and didn't have much luck.  the only item i
  found, i didn't understand how to apply it.  may i ask again for help
  with this matter?

 I'm not sure what you are asking for - they hit they tab key and they
 go to the next link?

 Lea
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Re: [WSG] tabbing through links

2005-08-21 Thread Bruce
What I did was have a hidden menu at page top.
When a user tabbed it showed up (onfocus), and gave a link to top of each
column.
I'm having trouble finding it now...but above gives the idea

Bruce Prochnau
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From: dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] tabbing through links


 Bruce wrote:
  Tabbing of course happans automatically.
  However, on a three column layout I added a top hidden nav that showed
on
  focus that linked to each column so the visitor could choose the column
to
  tab down.
  Is this what you mean?
  If so, unless someone here has the info at hand I will have to look it
up.

 i had not thought of that.  give me a clue and i'll try my hand at
 searching for it.  if i have any problems, i'll be in touch.  i love
 standards, it's so much fun!

 cheers,
 dwain

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Re: [WSG] tabbing through links

2005-08-21 Thread Bruce
I see what you mean, it is hard to find!
I did a takeoff of this page using three links to top of each column:
http://www.usability.com.au/resources/menus-links.cfm

At top of page they have links that you can tab to, and then go to that part
to tab down.
#Skip to area navigation  # Skip to content

Bruce Prochnau
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- Original Message - 
From: dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] tabbing through links


 Bruce wrote:
  Tabbing of course happans automatically.
  However, on a three column layout I added a top hidden nav that showed
on
  focus that linked to each column so the visitor could choose the column
to
  tab down.
  Is this what you mean?
  If so, unless someone here has the info at hand I will have to look it
up.

 i had not thought of that.  give me a clue and i'll try my hand at
 searching for it.  if i have any problems, i'll be in touch.  i love
 standards, it's so much fun!

 cheers,
 dwain

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[WSG] issues with trying to overlay background-images

2005-08-18 Thread Bruce Gilbert
Hello group.

On a page I am working on, I am trying to get a background image for a
search bar to overlap and appear in front of another background image.
I am not sure if this is even possible, but I am trying to do it using
z-index to no avail.

the page url is:http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/template.htm

and the relevent CSS is

#header {
margin:0;
padding:0;
width:780px;
height:142px;
background: url(../images/bkg_header.gif);
z-index:100;
}

#grey_bar{/*grey bar used below logo header*/
background:#c1c1c1 url(../images/search_bkg.gif) top right no-repeat;
width:100%;
height:auto;
z-index:1;

}

the grey bar has a background positioned right which is the background
for the search bar and I want that to extend beyond (above) the
boundaries of the grey_bar div and appear in front of the image in the
header div.

hope this makes a little bit of sense.

the full css is at :

http://www.semlogic.com/new_version/css/style.css

any suggestions for accomplishing this is greatly appreciated!


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Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Bruce
Myself I would say when possible have an alternate txt or html file. I
strongly discourage pdf on  websites unless it is a zip file for download.
As stated by Damian they are annoying for users with modems, and I find them
annoying at all times.
Keep pdf's for printing and inter office.

Bruce Prochnau
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- Original Message - 
From: Damian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy


 Hi Ted,

 I would say let the user decide. Wherever possible I try to provide enough
 information in the link itself so that the user knows what to expect and
 can proceed as they wish. Many people will set up their browser to deal
 with different file types according to their preference (open the document
 in the browser, open it in the application, download the file). Opening in
 a new window removes user choice. By providing a plain link you give users
 the option that you use of `right-click - open in new window`. How do I
 choose to open a new-window-link in the current window if that is my
 preference?

 The only time I open links (to web pages) in a new window is when I have
 to place a link inside someone else's frame and I warn the user that I'm
 doing it. I wouldn't use a new window for the downloadable documents you
 are referring to.

 Unexpected pdfs are annoying, especially for low-bandwidth users. So, I
 would recommend something like:

 a href=document.pdfSome stuff (pdf format, 200kb)/a

 Include all the info in the link, if you can, for people who only read the
 links.

 Cheers,

 Damian

  Hi All
 
 
 
  We've had a discussion at work about pdf documents and hijacking the
 user's
  browser / making it more user-friendly.  What is the general feeling
 towards
  having pdf and other non-html documents open in a new window?
 
 
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[WSG] getting ie 6 PC to behave with padding, margins and h1 within a div

2005-08-11 Thread Bruce Gilbert
I have a div bar, which I am trying to make the height narrower, but
in IE PC , it doesn't want to cooperate unless I add a specific height
to the div, but then my h1, appears at the top of the div, so I try
adding some padding or margin to the h1 which expans the height of the
div which it contains and I DONT want that.

here is the page:http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/index.htm

I am referring to the green bar with the h1 'home'

CSS in question:

* html div#page_title_bar{/*for IE to make bar thinner*/
background-color:#9bb58f;
padding:0;
margin:0;
border-top:1px solid #363;
border-bottom:1px solid #363;
height:15px;
}


* html div#page_title_bar h1{/*for IE again*/
margin-top:.25em;
}

anything I can do here?

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[WSG] footer at bottom of page

2005-08-10 Thread Bruce Gilbert
I was hoping someone could look at this page

http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/Company.htm

and help me with getting the footer at the absolute bottom of the
page. Right now, as I look at in in FF PC, there is some of the body
which shows below it. The body is green and the footer is white.

the CSS is at : http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/WDM.css

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[WSG] browser v.5 woes

2005-08-09 Thread Bruce Gilbert
I just checked a site I am working on in both PC and Mac v. 5.0 and
the page is looking pretty crappy in those browsers. I am most
interested in getting things looiking better in IE PC 5.0. The main
probs are top menu scrunched together with side borders and h1 title
page  div not enough padding . Any hacks I can apply specifically to
the 5's is greatly appreciative.

URL: http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/Company.htm
CSS:http://www.wealthdevelopmentmortgage.com/Bruce/WDM.css

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Re: [WSG] Logic?

2005-08-08 Thread Bruce
Thanks Prabhath;

All I know is that what Prabhath said worked perfectly for me for this.
I almost never make fixed width layouts, just a personal preference is all.

Bruce Prochnau
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Logic?


 Please forgive me if I've missed something, but I must respectfully
disagree.

 I've created a number of fixed-width layouts centered within the viewport
at 760px, and floated
 one-column left and the other column right inside a container div without
issue.

 Again, if I've misunderstood the issue and answer my apologies.

 Kind regards,
 Mario


  The border cuts off at bottom of menu, not bottom of content.
  That don't make sense.
 
  Makes a lot of sense. Floated elements don't take up any space in the
container (i.e. the
  container will not contain them).
 
  There are several ways to get it working, but this is probably one of
the best:
 
  http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
 
  Prabhath
  http://nidahas.com
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[WSG] curing float drops in IE

2005-08-08 Thread Bruce Gilbert
I am always having trouble with my floats dropping below the container
\s they are being floated against in IE. Other than reducing the
amount of space (since IE adds extra padding I believe), is there a
good way to prevent this from occurring?

for example I have two columns with the css as:

#left_column{/*positioning for left column*/
float:left;
width:310px;
margin-left:15px;
}

#right_column{/*positioning for right column*/
width:448px;
margin-left:360px;
padding-left:10px;
}


and the right column drops down in IE 


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[WSG] Logic?

2005-08-07 Thread Bruce



I am testing a rather simple layout, to keep things 
short I simplified it, hopefully not too much:
I added a 1px border to a wrapper 
tag--container.
Inside this is float left and a right 
menu.
left is content, right is menu.

The border cuts off at bottom of menu, not bottom 
of content.
That don't make sense.
div id="container"
div id="center"
some text, main articles etc
/div
div id="side"
Menu
/div
/div
Why don't the border stay with the container tag? I 
tried height:100%; in stylesheet, worked in ie but not firefox.

What am I missing?

Thanks in advance

Bruce Prochnau
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