[WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

2006-02-09 Thread Cade Whitbourn
Wow. Microsoft are taking very pro-active measures to assist the
developer community in fixing sites for IE7. 

I received an email from someone on the 'IE7 compatibility team' with a
screenshot of our site in IE7 and a list of all our stylesheets with all
the filters and hacks identified that we may need to modify.

I'm impressed. Have other site owners received any similar contact from
the IE7CPTTM yet?


C a d e  W h i t b o u r n
Web Designer - Web Projects and Business Development
Australian Stock Exchange
www.asx.com.au
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RE: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team

2006-02-09 Thread Cade Whitbourn
To clarify just a little more:

The purpose of their email to us was to make us aware of a
'compatibility' issue that our site has with the beta preview of IE7.

The compatibility issue is caused by our use of CSS filters. They
specificially highlight our use of Star HTML Hack, Selector HTML Hack
and the Holly Hack.

Although they don't say it explicitly, the implication is that we should
remove these from our CSS as the use of these filters fails in IE7.

(I would like to just quote the email verbatim but it's headlined
**Microsoft Confidential** which makes me nervous - even though there's
no confidential information in the email that I can see).

Cade.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alastair Steel
 Sent: Friday, 10 February 2006 11:53 AM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] IE7 Compatibility Team
 
 Why would you hack standards compliant code for Microsoft.
 
 Ask if they would like to foot the bill or if they had 
 considered writing an application that was standards compliant.
 
 Forget that as it may not have all the bugs and 
 vulnerabilities that we have come to know and love.
 
 Yours Sincerely,
 Alastair Steel
 
 
 
 
 
 On 10/02/2006, at 11:40 AM, Geoff Pack wrote:
 
 
  Cade Whitbourn wrote:
 
  Wow. Microsoft are taking very pro-active measures to assist the 
  developer community in fixing sites for IE7.
 
  I received an email from someone on the 'IE7 compatibility 
 team' with 
  a screenshot of our site in IE7 and a list of all our stylesheets 
  with all the filters and hacks identified that we may need 
 to modify.
 
  I'm impressed. Have other site owners received any similar contact 
  from the IE7CPTTM yet?
 
 
  I would send them back a list of the css bugs they should fix so  
  the filters and hacks that no longer work in IE7 won't be needed  
  anyway.
 
  Geoff.
 
 
 
 
 
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[WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney next year?

2005-11-22 Thread Cade Whitbourn
I know it's early but...

Anybody know of any good training courses or events that are being held
in Sydney (or the other capital cities) next year on web standards/best
practice web design/usability etc (other than WE06 and the regular wsg
meetings?)

Cheers,

C a d e  W h i t b o u r n
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[WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney?

2005-02-13 Thread Cade Whitbourn
Anybody know of any good training course or events that are being held in
Sydney (or the other capital cities) this year on web standards/best
practice web design/usability etc - other than the regular wsg meetings?

(For budgetary purposes, I need to identify any that I want to attend now,
rather than later.)

Cheers,
Cade.
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[WSG] accessibility statements

2005-01-20 Thread Cade Whitbourn
What's in a good accessibility statement?
Where are the best accessibility statements you've come across on the web?

I'm currently writing one for the site I work on, to coincide with a
redesign that's nearing completion. I haven't found many good examples of
statements on other corporate sites.

Some background to my site: It won't validate due to technical constraints
(unreliable CMS, legacy code, third-party systems), but it's been built 'in
the spirit' of web standards (i.e semantic markup, CSS for most of the
layout, a few accessibility features etc).

The sections I have so far in my statement:
- Access keys - what are they, how to use them.
- Navigation - unordered lists which degrade well, skip to content link,
prominent search box, comprehensive sitemap
- Standard compliance - built to HTML4.01 but will not validate, semantic
markup used, WCAG compliance
- Technical requirements - javascript used but degrades without, screen rez
recomended for visual design but degrades
- A list of the devices that the site has been tested for accessibility on.

Whatdya reckon?

Cheers,
Cade
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RE: [WSG] float and table width combination problem in IE

2004-12-07 Thread Cade Whitbourn
Ah, sorry for not being more specific: 
The example page I've created is a simplified version of the actual page
layout.

The red box does in fact need to be floated due to other dependant and
related page elements.

-Original Message-
From: Natalie Buxton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 1:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] float and table width combination problem in IE


Dont float the box. Is there a reason you are floating it? Seems in
this example that absolute positioning would achieve the effect you
are after?

Natalie


On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:54:16 +1100, Cade Whitbourn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Friends,
 
 Can anyone help me identify what's going wrong with the following layout
in
 IE6/Windows. I've been struggling with it all morning, and I suspect there
 may be a simple fix that I've just overlooked.
 
 The page: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~cadewhitbourn/test/demo.htm
 
 The layout: The red box is floated left. The purple box has a left margin
 set to the width of the red box. The purple box contains a table.
 
 The problem: In IE, when the browser viewport is decreased to less than
the
 width of the table, the table drops down to below the bottom of the list,
 but the heading stays in place.
 
 I want the table to stay in place and just have horizontal scroll bars.
 
 I hope I've been clear. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
 
 Cheers,
 Cade.
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RE: [WSG] float and table width combination problem in IE

2004-12-07 Thread Cade Whitbourn
Thanks Henry. I have looked into hasLayout but applying dimensions to the
various boxs (including dummy container boxes I created) doesn't seem to
affect the behaviour of the misbehaving table.

Any other suggestions?

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From: Henry Tapia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 1:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] float and table width combination problem in IE


Hi Cade,

 The problem: In IE, when the browser viewport is decreased to less than 
 the
 width of the table, the table drops down to below the bottom of the list,
 but the heading stays in place.

Having played around with it for a minute or two, it looks like it might be 
an IE rendering bug (hasLayout). Info here: 
http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/hollyhack.html#haslayout

Warning: might require a hack to fix.

You might want to consider Natalie's absolute positioning recommendation.

cheers,

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[WSG] modify styles for smaller screen resolutions

2004-11-25 Thread Cade Whitbourn
Hi,

I'm experimenting with using javascript to write in alternate style
information into the body of my webpages, similar to the current
www.smh.com.au method (view source and scroll down to immediately inside
body).

The method seems to work fine, but I am wondering about the pros/cons of
doing this, from a best practice/web standards point of view? Have other
people implemented similar solutions?

BTW, I am working within the constraints of a specific design where most of
the components need to be fixed width.

Many thanks,
Cade
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Re: [WSG] Browser Engine Standard???

2003-12-10 Thread Cade Whitbourn

Taco,

The company that I work for at the moment cannot afford to say 'bye bye' to 5% of web 
users (let alone 2%) for the simple fact that 5% represents THOUSANDS of customers all 
wanting to pay us money to provide them with web services.

BTW, You were 'web designing' in 1991...?

 
 -
 Unfortunately, while we do vaguely know what *most* of the
 users use right now, we don't know at any point, for any
 particular site, what those *specific* users are browsing with,
 and what they will be browsing with in the future.
 -
 
 Is it really still vague? 
 If we keep thinking like this, will we ever get a standard?
 
 I realize years ago, it was crazy to say, hey I will only code for  Browser X, 
 because there was such a variety used out there. But lately  it has been quite 
 obvious what the USERS are using (and once again let  me stress out that that does 
 not mean I agree with what they are using)  the two browsers at the top are 
 Internet Explorer and Mozilla, with  Internet Explorer Leading. 
 Cool, time to say bye bye to EVERY other browser that is not within this  range, 
 i.e. the ones that only have a share of 5% or less percent. Let  the top two battle 
 it out, i.e. let's see who the users will choose in  the next two years, after 
 that, bye bye number 2. One browser left, and  we can all code for one browser (or 
 engine/parser if they wised up and  used the same backend but different front-end) 
 and we can all finally  start using those fancy features that we have stayed away 
 from because  they don't work in every browser.
 
 ;-))
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Re: [WSG] Modify class (hope to bring closure ;-)

2003-11-24 Thread Cade Whitbourn

Not sure if this will help, but it's a solution I copied from Zeldman quite a while 
back...
 
script language=JavaScript
function toggle( targetId ){
  if (document.getElementById){
target = document.getElementById( targetId );
 if (target.style.display == none){
  target.style.display = ;
 } else {
  target.style.display = none;
 }
   }
}
/script
 
a href=# onClick=toggle('toggle');return false;Show/a
div id=toggle style=display:none
h2Hello!/h2
[a href=# onClick=toggle('toggle');return false;Hide/a]
/div

Cade.

 Hi Guys,
  
 I just wanted to touch the subject again, as it did not bring closure to  my 
 problem last time, ie. most of you pointed me in the right direction  but I still 
 don't have it working fully, Lindsay; your example did  display the hidden items 
 but it did not hide them again.
  
 I came up with the following, which also displays the hidden items but  again it 
 does not hide them.
  
 link href=/style/default.css rel=stylesheet type=text/css
 script
 function replaceRule( objStyle, className, newClassName )
 {
  var r = objStyle.rules
  for ( var i = 0; i  r.length; i++ )
  {
   if( r[i].selectorText == className )
   {
objStyle.removeRule( i );
objStyle.addRule( className, newClassName, i );
return;
   }
  }
 }
 /script
 
 a href=## onClick=replaceRule( document.styleSheets[0],  '.helpItem', 
 '.helpItemDisplay' );test/a
 div class=helpItem
 img src=#request.imageRoot#/iconHelp.gif alt=Click here for help  on this 
 item Click on any item to display help./div
 
 I was also thinking maybe it's easier (if possible) to have two classes  like so;
  
 .international {
  visibility: hidden;
  display: none; }
  
 .national {
  visibility: visible;
  display: inline;}
  
 and then do something like switchRule( document.styleSheets[0],  '.international' , 
 '.national' )
 But how? There doesn't seem to be much documentation out there about  dynamic 
 stylesheets, or a nice PDF Reference, like Netscape brought out  for Client-Side 
 JavaScript Reference
 

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[WSG]Product Listing layout

2003-10-08 Thread Cade Whitbourn
(Apologies if you get this twice...I swapped email addresses as I wasn't sure whether 
my emails were getting through or not)

You could format all the product information into tabular data, ie.  column for all 
product pictures, column for product titles etc, in which  case using table tags 
would be appropriate.

But IMO, the way Jerrod is looking to display the information is not  tabular data - 
it's presentational display grouping each individual  product with it's accompanying 
picture/description etc.

What do others think?

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 From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:04 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [WSG]Product Listing layout
 
 
 Quick query - would a table data cell layout be more applicable to this?
 
 If it's a product listing of related items I'd go for this - putting the  img in
 one cell and text in an adjacent cell...
 
 Cheers
 
 James Ellis
 www.webqs.com
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  Hi all,
  I am attempting a full css layout of a product listing including 
  images.  I have run into a couple issues that I am not sure if I 
  approached the right way.  Could I get a review of my styles from 
  someone who has done something similar?  The css is embedded.  Thanks!
  
  http://www.jerrodenders.com/stage/product.cfm
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