RE: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account

2009-06-25 Thread Craig Henneberry
Andrew Stewart wrote:

Most people  
would love to make every website 100% accessible to everyone. However,  
if it costs a lot of time and money, but returns very little revenue  
from the small number of users with screen readers, then why should  
companies bother?

Andrew, I don't wish it upon anyone but suppose you developed a need to use 
assistive software in the future. How would you feel about designers and 
developers not following standards that allow you to continue using the web? 

A site that is accessible using assistive technology is (by nature) more 
accessible to its wider audience. So everyone wins. Not just users of assistive 
technology.

Besides, Australian law makes web accessibility a mandatory requirement. Have 
you heard of the Bruce Maguire vs. SOCOG (Sydney Organising Committee for the 
Olympic Games) case of 1999? 

Bruce Maguire complained to the HREOC that the website of the Sydney Olympic 
Games' organising committee was not accessible as per the provisions of DDA, 
1992. The commission declared in August 2000, only a few weeks before the 
inauguration of Sydney Olympics (15th Sept. 2000), that the complainant had 
been discriminated against and ordered the SOCOG to make certain access 
provisions to be complete before the inaugural date. SOCOG failed to comply 
with this order and hence in November 2000, the HREOC fined the SOCOG a sum of 
Australian $20,000.

Regards,
Craig

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Andrew Stewart
Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 1:15 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account

Hi Marvin and everyone else,

I have been doing some research into web site accessibility and I  
would be interested to know a little bit about your experiences of  
using a screen reader and also if there are any designers out there  
that have experience of designing for, or using a screen reader.

At the recent WSG meeting at the Australian museum I met a designer  
who had just spent days trying to design a site to make it usable by  
colour blind users. A much better solution may be for colour blind  
users to tweak the colours of their operating system so that  
everything on their computer displays correctly. This also means the  
user can fine tune the displayed colours to cater for their exact type  
of colour deficiency. I have heard of software that does this, but it  
does not seem to be that successful. I guess this is a similar concept  
to a screen reader that works at the level of the operating system  
rather than on a website by website basis. I would be interested to  
know of your experiences of using the web - are there some sites that  
work fine and others that are terrible? Can you tell if the designer  
has taken the time to consider screen readers? Are there lots of  
differences between different screen readers?

Your other point about free hosting eludes to another uncomfortable  
issue - whilst a lot of things on the web are cheap, they are not  
free. I guess that in many cases a screen reader compromises your use  
of the internet, possibly making you less likely to return revenue to  
the companies that are paying for everything to be online. Most people  
would love to make every website 100% accessible to everyone. However,  
if it costs a lot of time and money, but returns very little revenue  
from the small number of users with screen readers, then why should  
companies bother? In effect this is asking the majority of people  
without screen readers to subsidise the users with screen readers.  
Maybe this is the best thing to do, but I think we would all benefit  
from some discussion on the issue.

I should probably mention that I am primarily a flex/flash developer  
creating very visual sites that I doubt would work at all with a  
screen reader. But unlike every flash/flex developer I have met, I am  
very interested in accessibility, SEO, and standards.

Thanks,

Andy

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On 25 Jun 2009, at 16:56, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

 hi.
 looking for a free web hosting account that can handle side  
 scripting, able
 to use such technologies as visual web developer, sql server,  
 visualbasic,
 java script,etc.
 i am in devonport, tasmania, australia.
 i do not have a credit card, so a paid account is out of the question.
 i am a blind web site designer, using the jaws for windows screen  
 reader
 from http://www.freedomscientific.com
 so if any one can help out and recommend a good one which also has  
 plenty of
 large space.
 and using windows vista, let me know.
 cheers Marvin.
 E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com
 Msn: startrekc...@msn.com
 Skype: startrekcafe
 Visit my Jaws Australia Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/ 
 JawsOz/




 

RE: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account

2009-06-25 Thread Craig Henneberry
 
Yes, so our best option is to get accessibility integrated early on in the 
development process. Obviously we are not going to re-write the web (unless 
Bruce Maguire goes to town on us).

I don't believe that integrating accessibility into a project adds a 
significant cost to a project anyway. Especially when compared to the benefits 
of doing so. But I'm pretty sure it would add a significant overhead if it's 
done as a separate process at the end. Which is probably why SOCOG didn't 
bother.

I think part of the issue is that to integrate accessibility into our projects 
and ensure that we are actually providing a benefit to the people who rely on 
it - we really need a panel of users with various vision, hearing, dexterity 
disabilities etc to test our work with... But most of us don't have that luxury.

Craig



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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Webb, KerryA
Sent: Friday, 26 June 2009 3:26 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] accessible free web hosting account

Andrew Stewart said:
 
 It is clear that a publicly funded website like that for the Olympic
 Games should be accessible, but are you suggesting that the same rules
 should apply to a high-school student doing a website for a school
 project? - again another tough line to draw. The scale of the internet
 means that the Australian laws will only have a very small impact on
 the internet as a whole.
 

The way the law is written is that a person has been entitled to lodge a
complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission if they find a
site inaccessible, be it SOCOG or the high school student's.
Arbitration would ensue. 

More recently though the legislation has been amended so that a
complainant can take a case directly to the state/territory Supreme
Court.  So, you won't go to jail for having an inaccessible site, but
you could be required by the Court to make it accessible, as SOCOG was.

But as previous poster Andrew said, it's the right thing to do.  That's
a good rule to follow.

Kerry 
  
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