RE: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-02 Thread Dan Freeman
The sup tag is definitely not presentational.  It's good for the browser
to know what is superscripted.  Think about math and powers.

 

The browser will interpret these two things totally differently:

 

104

10sup4/sup (correct)

10span4/span (browser will think it's 104 instead of 104)

 

Dan

 

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I would go with David Dorwood's suggestion, this seems the most logical. I
would try and avoid the sup tags, as these are for superscript, which is
really presentational and should be handled by CSS if this is the style
that is required.

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RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-05 Thread Dan Freeman
How about in HTML5?

 

section

headerSome Title/header

ul

liItem 1/li

liItem 2/li

liItem 3/li

/ul

/section

 

OR:

 

section

h?Some Title/h?

ul

liItem 1/li

liItem 2/li

liItem 3/li

/ul

/section

 

-Dan

 

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Behalf Of Mathew Robertson
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:22 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

 

For this example:

 

h1some title/h1

ul

  liblah/li

  liboo/li

/ul

 

... any ARIA attributes are completely not required...  h? tag, by
definition, already titles the following content, simply by being in the
same proximity, aka h? preceding some other content.

 

The primary purpose of labelled-by appears to be to semantically link an
given element to another; since proximity already gives you that
behaviour, this use-case for this attribute would be when proximity isn't
available, for example, say when something within a footer which
references content from within the body.

 

Aside... I never understood why labelled-by came into existence... there
is already an attribute for which has essentially the same semantics...
just promote for to be a global attribute.  Thoughts?

 

Mathew Robertson

 

On 5 March 2012 20:51, Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, agree with Russ here, 

for example does
ul title=list_title

change the semantics? I think not, use of aria-labelledby is another way
of doing the same thing.

note in practice for the majority case neither is announced by user agents
such as assitive technology at the moment.
Also if it was then you would get a situation where if the user was
reading through the content they would hear the heading announced then
here the same text announced when they encountered the list straight
after.

regards
stevef

 

On 4 March 2012 21:46, Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote:

 h1 id=list_titleThe list titleh1
 ul aria-labelledby=list_title
 li.../li
 /ul
 That way the semantic connection between the list and the heading is
kept which I think is the purpose of what you're wanting, yes?
 Cheers,
 S


I hate to nit-pick, but I'd argue that the aria-labelledby does not really
change the semantics of an element. The semantics of an element is about
defining the element's core meaning. The core meaning of an h1 is that
it is a level 1 heading.

In the case above, the labelledby attribute exposes the content inside
the heading (via the accessibility API) and associating this content with
the unordered list.

So, these elements will now have additional meaning for Assistive Devices
that support ARIA. However, the attribute does not change the core
meaning of either of the elements.

Does this make sense?
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RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread Dan Freeman
I wouldn't recommend that.  It may look OK stylistically, but not
semantically.  I believe H? before the list makes the most sense.

- Dan Freeman


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ul 
li class=title
strongQuick links/strong
/li
li
a href=noticeboard.html title=news and Notices
Noticeboard
/a
/li
li
a href=site/sitemap.html title=A list of site
contents, with links
Sitemap
/a
/li
li
a href=site/sitepolicy.html
Site policy
/a
/li
li
a href=site/links.html title=further information
Useful links
/a
/li
/ul??  Works for me!Bob- Original Message -
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On 2 Mar 2012, at 17:07, Hanspeter Kadel wrote:

 looks like back in 1984 people could use LH for the job.

No, they couldn't. It was proposed for HTML 3, but that spec was ditched
in
favour of documenting the then current state of the browser wars.

 how to do it in 2012?


h? before the list.

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RE: [WSG] Best Practice - Content Within Tables

2011-10-12 Thread Dan Freeman
Tables are used to present data.  So I think it makes perfect sense to
simply put the data in the cells, and not wrap them in p tags.  Would
there be a reason to have a table of paragraphs?

 

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Subject: [WSG] Best Practice - Content Within Tables

 

Folks,

 

I'm seeking some best practices advice.  

 

Is it a best practice to wrap content in a table cell using p tags?  Or
just properly code the td and/or th tags?  We have a couple of schools
of thought raging at the moment and I've been tasked to seek the wisdom of
others.

 

Dennis

 

 

 

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RE: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?

2011-09-23 Thread Dan Freeman
This is my favorite tool:

http://utilu.com/IECollection/

 

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Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:00 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?

 

http://www.browserstack.com/

On 23/09/2011 17:25, Josh Rose wrote: 

There is a tool called IE tester, which might be what you're looking for:
http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage

 

That said, we generally use the browser mode settings for testing here (on
the development side at least), and don't have any problems.

 

J

 

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Behalf Of Janice Schwarz
Sent: 23 September 2011 15:59
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] IE9's Browser Mode Controls - Reliable?

 

 

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Cole Kuryakin c...@koisis.com wrote:

Hello All -

I've been testing a new version of a legacy project against IE 7, 8 and 9
using IE9's Browser Mode Controls.

This way of switching browser modes (between 7, 8 and 9) is quite
convenient
but... is it a true representation of how the project will render in these
three browsers?

If not, I'd love to get some suggestions on the LEAST INVASIVE way to test
different modern flavors of IE.

Use to do the VM routine before my C drive crashed and had to re-do all my
software. Now that all my apps are cleanly installed and working
perfectly,
I'd rather not have to add software that I only use on occasion.

Any guidance greatly appreciated.

 

I've been using those browser mode settings in IE for a while, even in a
corporate setting. They seem to be fairly accurate. 

 

I think that, generally speaking, it is better than using browsershots or
browsercam, since those just give screenshots and can't test
functionality. I use those for testing things I don't have access to (like
Mac-specific or IE6 specific issues...even then, those are only so helpful
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RE: [WSG] Title tags - site name then keywords?

2011-04-19 Thread Dan Freeman
Yes, search engines will put more strength on the first few words in your
title tags.

So I'd recommend:
Steel Fabrication, Pipework, Welding - ABC Engineering Ltd

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Behalf Of Stevio
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Subject: [WSG] Title tags - site name then keywords?

When it comes to search engine optimisation, are you better to list the
site
name/business name first in the title tag, and then keywords, or the other
way round?

e.g. ABC Engineering Ltd - Steel Fabrication, Pipework, Welding
or
Steel Fabrication, Pipework, Welding - ABC Engineering Ltd

Are you likely to do better in search engines with the keywords first in
the
title tag?

Thanks,
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RE: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference

2011-04-06 Thread Dan Freeman
I agree ... Bulletproof Web Design is highly recommended.

Dan



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Behalf Of Jon Reece
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference

They may be a little old comparatively, but Bulletproof Web Design
and Handcrafted CSS (both by Dan Cederholm) helped me in a big way.

- Jon


On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Andrew Staff
andrew.st...@zebraweb.com.au wrote:
 Hello all,

 I was wondering if anyone on this distribution list would have a
 recommendation for a great HTML/CSS reference bible?

 I've been web developing for over 10 years but only in the last 2 have I
got
 heavier into the HTML and CSS side of things and I'd class myself as an
 intermediate in terms of knowledge so not looking for a
 starters/beginners/HTML for dummies type of reference but more a in
depth,
 tips and tricks for layout, cross-browser compatibility tips, do's and
 don'ts, etc.

 I have a load of web references and enjoy the links for light reading
 however am after a book that I can take with me on my commute and have
as a
 reference when needed at work etc.

 Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 Kind Regards

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RE: [WSG] Image Maps

2010-10-14 Thread Dan Freeman
If you use PNG's and negative margins, this would allow you to piece
together images, but how would you handle hovering or clicking?  For
example, if you had a circle image with a transparent background, how
would you identify hovering or clicking only on the circle piece?

 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Christian Snodgrass
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:59 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Image Maps

 

You can use transparent images and negative margins.

The simplest way to set this up would be to use a program like Fireworks
(which lets you move stuff around freely and gives you an x and y).

Cut up all of your states into separate images with transparent
backgrounds.

Then you can bring them all into a Fireworks file, position them properly,
then use the x and y it gives you to figure out the negative margins for
them.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 3:21 PM, cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org wrote:

 

On Oct 14, 2010, at 12:09 PM, Christian Snodgrass wrote:





Basically image maps can be used, but they aren't usually a good idea. A
better method would be to split it up into separate images and smash them
together to look like one map. This lets you add alt tags and what-not to
make it more accessible.

 

 

In the case of a map of, say, the USA, how would you achieve this smashing
together, while still having the smashed-together images look like the
contiguous US of A?

 

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RE: [WSG] HTML5 with Chrome

2010-08-31 Thread Dan Freeman
Has anyone got this to work?  I tried several times yesterday and it just
stuck at 44%.

 

Also, what do you mean by wasteful?

 

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:47 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] HTML5 with Chrome

 

Hi,

I found an edgy Chrome Only, HTML5 development here,
http://www.chromeexperiments.com/, called The Wilderness Down and am
wondering if this wasteful, at this point in time, to develop an HTML5
site like http://www.thewildernessdowntown.com/? If it is, how long is
your ETA of when it will be the normal?

Regards,

 

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RE: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Dan Freeman
Tom,

HTML5 allows for the use of the elements header, footer, and aside in
multiple instances.

For example, an article could have a header and footer:

section
article
header
h2Article title/h2
pAugust 12, 2010/p
/header
p Article copy here. Article copy here. Article
copy here. Article copy here./p
footer
pBy: Dan Freeman/p
/footer
/article
/section

Using ID's would not help you replicate this.  You'd have to structure it
like this:

div class=section
div class=article
div class=header
h2Article title/h2
pAugust 12, 2010/p
/div
p Article copy here. Article copy here. Article
copy here. Article copy here./p
div class=footer
pBy: Dan Freeman/p
/div
/div
/div

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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Livingston
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:59 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

 Ignoring that this isn't using HTML5 elements, but using it as an
 analogy - via the classes and IDs - could this be improved upon? Is
 there a place for section(s) here? Did I get the element concepts
 right?

 Thanks again...


Sorry,, Corrected Structure:

div id=wrap
   div id=header
   pHeader here/p
   /div!-- !End Header --

   div id=container class=clear
   div class=article
   Content with an H2, a UL, Ps and As and a
picture
   /div
   div class=article
   Content with an H2, a UL, Ps and As and a
picture
   /div
   div class=article
   Content with an H2, a UL, Ps and As and a
picture
   /div
   /div!-- !End #container --
   div id=aside
   pSidebar/p
   /div

   div id=footer
   pFooter/p
   /div!-- !End Footer --
   /div!--! end of #wrap --


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RE: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate

2010-08-12 Thread Dan Freeman
Considering the link doesn't even look right in IE8, I'm not sure I'd use
it to build anything.

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Subject: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate

Anyone have any thoughts on this? Worth a try? On a production site?

http://html5boilerplate.com/

Looks pretty good to me... what say ye?

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