Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

2011-02-08 Thread Dave Lane

On 09/02/11 16:00, Russ Weakley wrote:
 Some questions:
 
 1. are you also aiming to make the PDF's accessible? (i.e. tagged
 PDFs)
 
 2. why PDF to Word? I have found there is little benefit in this type
 of conversion. I just checked with a blind user now - asking is
 there any advantage in Word over PDF?
 
 His answer: If the PDF is well structured, converting it to Word
 could remove some of the assistive structure. If the PF is not well
 structured, there is no advantage either way

Thanks for asking those questions, Russ, and checking with users of
assistive technologies. I also wondered how moving from an open standard
to a proprietary one would help anyone with anything...

Sadly, most people creating documents know far less about structured
data, consistent formatting, and open standards than people on this list...

Dave

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Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

2011-02-08 Thread Dave Lane
On 09/02/11 16:55, Russ Weakley wrote:
 Hi Kerry. Neither the blind user or I were suggesting that
 alternatives were not a good idea, or even a requirement. I'd always
 recommend providing an HTML alternative if possible along with
 accessible (tagged) PDF. The question was about Word as as a viable
 alternative to PDF. I am not sure it is. Though others may disagree!

I'm not an accessibility expert, but it seems pretty obvious that if the
PDF isn't well structured (which would presumably make it more
accessible), I can't imagine that converting it to an MS Word document
will add any sensible structure that wasn't there before.

Using standards compliant HTML as an alternative accessible standard
makes much more sense (again, assuming the source document wasn't
generated from your typical poorly structured MS Word document).

Regards,

Dave
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Re: [WSG] PDF Conversion

2011-02-08 Thread Dave Lane
On 09/02/11 20:17, Michael MD wrote:
 My recommendation: If its for public release and needs to be accessible or
 converted to other formats, don't use pdf to start with!

I think it's fair to say that if the source document is poorly
structured or lacks structure, you're out of luck no matter what you do.

People need to be trained to understand the importance of structural
conventions and consistency... and now we've come full circle back to
open standard formats :)

Dave


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Re: [WSG] IE6 Finally Nearing Extinction [STATS]

2010-06-12 Thread Dave Lane
For what it's worth, some of our non-techie sites (with much smaller
user numbers, as they're focused on the relatively tiny New Zealand
market) are showing a slightly rosier picture over the past month:

Advocacy website for cyclists (4544 visits):
IE: 41.57% (IE6-15.09% 7-37.96% 8-46.96%)
FF: 40.29%
CHROME:  9.09%
SAFARI:  7.68%
OPERA:   0.62%

IE6 = 6.27%

Sports clothing (28,337 visits):
IE: 49.92% (IE6-13.8% 7-27.06% 8-59.11%)
FF: 24.87%
CHROME:  6.20%
SAFARI: 17.82%
OPERA:   0.77%

IE6 = 6.88%

Brewers website (3,300 visits):
IE: 45.97% (IE6-10.42% 7-30.72% 8-58.87%)
FF: 30.06%
CHROME: 11.27%
SAFARI: 10.03%
OPERA:   1.03%

IE6 = 4.79%

Tourism operator (4,041 visits):
IE: 54.84% (IE6-11.60% 7-28.07% 8-60.24%)
FF: 26.73%
CHROME:  4.80%
SAFARI: 12.77%
OPERA:   0.42%

IE6 = 6.36%

For contrast, here're the stats for a tech company.

IT services and software dev company (3,050 visits):
IE: 15.02% (IE6-8.52% 7-19.87% 8-71.62%)
FF: 56.20%
CHROME: 18.52%
SAFARI:  5.48%
OPERA:   2.82%

IE6 = 1.28%

If I was Microsoft I'd be quite worried that the IT support pros,
influencers and developers have such a different make-up than the
mainstream.

Cheers,

Dave

On 12/06/10 00:32, Lea de Groot wrote:
 On 11/06/10 9:32 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote:
 I just took a peek at our own stats for May 2010.

 A very large set limited to UK online shoppers only.

 And I couldn't agree less with the article.
 
 I have a couple of large .au 'mum and dad' sites (ie, not techie) and I
 have similar results to your .uk figures:
 
 Internet Explorer67.11%   
 Firefox17.19%   
 Safari9.70%   
 Chrome4.67%   
 
 with specific IE figures of
 IE8.059.08%   
 IE7.028.46%   
 IE6.012.44%   
 
 ie IE 6 is at 8.3% overall - lower than your numbers, but still worth
 testing for.
 
 Interestingly, I have iphone/ipod numbers at 2.77% and rising fast - I
 guess I better get those mobile versions up!
 
 Lea

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Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor

2010-02-26 Thread Dave Lane
We make extensive use of TinyMCE with Drupal (we're a Drupal development 
shop) - it's not perfect, but it does offer a lot of flexibility 
regarding acceptable tags, and we've been able to get it to provide 
XHTML compliant code. Combined with filters like Tidy, it's possible to 
ensure that you don't get non-compliant code being entered.


rantThe biggest issue is the complexity of cleaning up cut-pasted 
content from MS Word... *that's* a problem. TinyMCE offers a Paste from 
Word function which strips most of the rubbish from Word-produced 
content, but it's a pain to use... or people assume that anything coming 
from MS Word is clearly well suited for the web... We spend a lot of 
time trying to discourage people from using Word for authoring web 
content, because it's a very poor tool for doing so, but we have a hard 
time suggesting a palatable alternative (people seem to find the idea of 
composing content in the actual TinyMCE interface totally absurd, which 
doesn't make much sense to me...)./rant


Regards,

Dave

On 27/02/10 07:32, Kepler Gelotte wrote:

Just spent a day with FCKEditor only to find that there appears to be
no way to have site CSS appear in the Style dropdown, w/o transforming

the

CSS into XML.


That is not entirely accurate. The fckstyles.xml tells the editor which
styles the user can apply and how to apply them. The actual CSS definition
is defined in your CSS file and can be modified without updating the
fckstyles.xml again.

Best regards,

Kepler Gelotte
Neighbor Webmaster, Inc.
156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854
www.neighborwebmaster.com
phone/fax: (732) 302-0904





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Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-25 Thread Dave Lane
Thank you for saying that, Elizabeth, couldn't agree more about both
frames and Flash...

I strongly recommend customers against fully-flash sites due to the
inconsistent (compared to web conventions), usually non-spiderable, and
inaccessible navigation, but agree it can be useful for specific
web-apps (wrapped in suitable HTML navigation, etc.) and some nice
branding-related effects... but generally, Flash is overused when HTML +
CSS with a sprinkling of Javascript could do the job better and in
accordance with web standards.

Regards,

Dave

Elizabeth Spiegel wrote:
 Hi Kate
 
  
 
 You said: “do need to study how frames work (naming) too.”
 
  
 
 Nononono!
 
  
 
 Frames are awful for accessibility and usability (iFrames are arguably
 better).  I can’t think of an example of a really good framed site
 (although other list members may be able to offer some).
 
  
 
 I used to say the same of Flash, but did eventually find some sites
 demonstrating really clever and appropriate uses for it.
 
  
 
  
 
 *Elizabeth Spiegel*
 
 *Web editing*
 
 *0409 986 158*
 
 *GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001*
 
 *www.spiegelweb.com.au*
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
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Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-25 Thread Dave Lane
Bruce, I couldn't agree more - the road is littered with web
developers who don't know how to write XHTML or CSS.  We rescue their
customers frequently.

I'd say that, in order to learn how the web really works, write HTML and
CSS from scratch (yes, in a text editor).  To get started, find a site
on the web that you like and download its HTML and CSS and, for example,
make it XHTML 1.0-strict and CSS 2.1 compliant.

I recommend that you steer well clear of systems that offer to
simplify the web development process by hiding it from you.  Web
developers using those learn how to use that particular tool, but not
the web.  There're way too many of the latter.

Of course, there are some who say that hand coding websites is too
inefficient... but the way to make hand coding more efficient *isn't* to
use Dreamweaver or [insert your favourite WYSIWYG HTML editor here].

The way to make it work is to stop writing static HTML sites.  Instead
use one of the many freely available open source CMS frameworks and
simply hand code the templates for them once (making hand coded changes
for other customer sites as required).  That's what we do with Drupal.

The static web, other than as a teaching tool, is dead.  Yep, poked it
with a stick.  Dead. :)

Cheers,

Dave


Bruce wrote:
 
 Andrew November 24, 2008 10:59 AM
 
 
 On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote:

 Wow! You hand code
 For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only
 way available if you want to get it right...

 ...although its a long road
 Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply, and follow the
 excellent advice that others here have offered, I think you'll find
 it's quite easy to find your way, and to find others who will be
 happy to help when the going gets tough.

 Good luck!
 ***
 
 12 years ago on asking advice in starting down this road, a very wise
 engineer told me,
 Always code by hand. Use notepad or similar...
 
 While that was a difficult undertaking, it is the best advice I have had.
 I still use a basic editor on occasion, one such as cute html or similar
 is actually fine. Everyone has their fav, and that's ok, as long as it
 doesn't do everything for you and one learns nothing.
 
 But I have developed a system and basic web standards template system
 that works, so I have many examples of what I use all the time for
 clients set in new templates.
 
 Now I mostly work with a CMS such as ExpressionEngine and have developed
 a Web Standards template system that I modify as needed for all my clients.
 
 I firmly believe that reinventing the wheel for every site is not the
 best practice. And that browser hacks
 may be sometimes required. A lot of the time not, and we may end up
 using them to save time.
 
 When one gets a solid foundation and understanding that hand coding
 offers, one is never stuck in understanding the underlining principles
 and what is wrong when things just don't work as expected.
 
 I don't know why it don't work, dreamweaver did it isn't the way to
 impress clients! lol
 
 Best viewed in anything you want is a good label to apply to your
 sites, and perhaps what Web Standards is all about.
 
 Good luck, do it the hard way and you will know the road well.
 
 Bruce Prochnau
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Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-25 Thread Dave Lane
Actually, Michael

Michael MD wrote:
 I would not recommend this for sites on shared servers unless they
 really do need a full-featured CMS.
 Speed is important .. why add bloat if its not needed?
 
 A mysql server in a typical ISP shared hosting environment often
 struggles to handle a large number of statements per second
 from hundreds of sites  ..  especially when some of the sites are being
 hit hard by crawlers.
 ..most off-the-shelf CMS do way too many lookups to show even a simple page
 
 Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla are very bad in this regard (doing around
 15-40 mysql lookups for each page!)
  ... Xoops seems better with its file-based caching but may still be
 overkill in a lot of cases.

Hmmm - this has not been my experience with Drupal...  With caching
turned on, the database queries are close to 0 for any given page, and
frankly, as a hosting provider, I can tell you with some certainty that
a) 15-40 queries per page is tiny, and will be handled in 0.0001 seconds
 in most cases, and b) we have servers with 100 active Drupal sites,
many doing 10s of GB of traffic per month, and their performance is
sub-second for nearly all pages, and certainly for all pages viewed by
anonymous users (i.e. the functional equivalent to static pages) thanks
to smart caching...

 A lot of this waste comes from storing stats in mysql, looking up user
 data, etc ...
 (and in some cases attempting to use mysql even for caching! bad.. bad..
 bad..)

I'm not sure I agree with you at all on this one.

 If you are not using user logins then why do all those extra lookups?

So that the customer can change her own content... she doesn't need to
allow logins for anyone other than administrators.  A decent CMS will
cache pages to the extent that you'd be hard pressed to get
substantially faster performance from static pages.

 I think part of the problem might be that a lot of  CMS developers are
 not testing on busy shared servers or high-traffic sites.
 (they are probably only testing on dedicated servers where they have
 mysql to themselves and the bottlenecks might be elsewhere)

Again, my experiences create a far different impression.

 I'm not going to tell people to spend extra cash for a dedicated server
 if all they want is a few simple static pages.

If all you want (and all you're *ever* going to want) is a few static
pages, that's fine, but it's also then not a problem to hand code the
XHTML and CSS.   If your site is going to grow, then you might as well
put it into a CMS from the start.  The performance overhead for a CMS
like Drupal is tiny.  By all means use Dreamweaver as a syntax aid (as
suggested by Blake) if you can't remember these things or are a really
slow typist (although I can't recommend enough taking the time to learn
how to touch type - you'll never regret it)... :)

Dave

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Re: [WSG] Who are the Away on leave Notices from?

2008-11-05 Thread Dave Lane
Looking at list message headers, I see that it mentions Precedence:
list as do most widely used list managers like the open source
Majordomo and Mailman systems.  Other lists use Precedence: bulk.
According to RFC 3834, the Precedence header field is strictly not
recommended, but says that autoresponders (e.g.
out-of-office-notification (ooon) systems) may choose not to respond.

Smart ooon systems (like the open source vacation autoresponder
available on any Linux/UNIX server) don't send ooons to lists or other
bulk mail senders that identify themselves as such using the Precedence
header field, as it's more or less universally undesirable to do so
(just like the use of return receipts for list posts).

Unfortunately, it's clear that many subscribers on this list don't use
ooon services that recognise the list designation - perhaps they can
raise their games (especially given that the software required is
completely free for them to use).

Apparently even Microsoft Exchange is smart enough to avoid sending ooon
to messages flagged with the Precedence: bulk or list.  A brief survey
of Google indicates that Lotus Domino mail may not be, however...  not
sure about other widely used mail systems.

Regards,

Dave

Joe Ortenzi wrote:
 this would be a useful and important addition to the mailing guidelines
 I would have to say, yes.
 
 Joe
 
 On 06/11/2008, at 8:47 AM, Brett Patterson wrote:
 
 Oh. I have always just set mine up to not send out for specific e-mail
 addresses. Sorry, did not mean to exasperate the issue. I did not know
 it was one.

 On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Just auto replies from list members away on leave (who have set
 their 'out of office' setting to 'on')

 It is annoying, but in saying that I'm probably guilty of it at
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Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Dave Lane
I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business.

As a web developer, you *must* design for maintainability.  Anything
else is a disservice to both your business and your customer.  The
customer is not always right.  The customer hires you because they
perceive you to have expertise they don't, and they trust your skill and
judgement on their behalf.  If they don't have that respect for your
ability, they're not the right customer for you.  I'm not saying that
you should tell them their wrong, but you should explain the
shortcomings of the methods they request and explain the advantages of
the tools you've chosen...  if you can't do that then you probably
haven't thought very carefully about choosing tools.

Ultimately, a business must select its technologies (the smallest set
possible to do the job well), become expert in them, and then maintain
those skills for the length of their relationship with their customers.

I completely agree with Joe's statement - using an app like Contribute
is a step backwards in most cases, both for the customer and for the
web.  CMSs, if chosen wisely (and the open source ones are better than
anything proprietary, so it'd be foolish not to go down the open source
path), implemented by *knowledgeable* developers with an appreciation
for web and software best practice (e.g. standards compliance, source
code control, change control procedures, etc.) and the will to adhere to
it, with ongoing maintenance in mind.

Those who don't feel responsible for learning about and adhering to best
practice should look for another line of work.

The road is littered with the remains of web development companies who
tried to support whatever solution de jeur their customer specified.  If
you customer requires you to use their choice of technologies rather
than yours, my advice is to get a new customer.  That sort of customer
will make your life miserable and cost you money in the long run.

Cheers,

Dave

Mark Harris wrote:
 Joe Ortenzi wrote:
 Contribute is not about content management as much as it is about
 allowing an in-house web team to share tasks without a proper CMS
 deployed. Thus your coder can code and the content writer can write
 but it can be all wrapped within a team. This is, frankly, Web 1.0,
 and your time and their money is better served by getting a simple CMS
 deployed that meets with their scope and strategy and will be easier
 to manage for everyone, client included.

 
 With respect, this is so much bollocks.
 
 The manner of deployment is always the client's choice. If you can offer
 her something better, by all means offer, but it's arrogant to tell the
 client you have to do it this way.
 
 Many clients won't have an in-house web team - they'll have one person
 to whom maintaining the website is only 1/4 of their job. Some outfits
 are still coming to grips with how they should be using the web and need
 baby steps.
 
 While it's a designer's job to help educate them, you can't drag them
 kicking and screaming into something they're not ready for.
 
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Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Dave Lane
 it is: an investment for which they hope to see a
return of some sort) to *help them grow* in some way.  If not, then
chances are they're probably not a good long-term client anyway, and I'd
suggest giving them a miss.

Web developers need to understand these things and help their customers
make informed decisions, not support a disfunctional relationship in
which the less informed party dictates how the professional does his/her
job.  That would be like a car driver going to his mechanic and saying -
no, don't use that set of costly but reliable tools you've invested in,
knowing that they would last you for years because of their superior
quality - go to Bunnings and buy the cheap Chinese knock-off versions
for the weekend warrior, which cost bugger all, but will break on the
first use, and result in shoddy workmanship.

Best of luck,

Dave

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Re: [WSG] Accessible and cross browser online slide system

2008-10-21 Thread Dave Lane
Hello Diego,

I recommend you check out S5:
http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/18/ssup5sup-10/

I've used them on quite a few occasions and they work very well so long
as you're happy playing with HTML markup.

Cheers,

Dave

PS I suggest turning off email receipts on emails to mailing lists :)

Diego La Monica wrote:
 Hi guys,
 
   I’d like to inform you all that I’ve developed an alternative to
 “*HTML Slidy*” that claim to be accessible, cross browser and standard
 like it.
 
 The plus is that you can *listen the slides with Assistive Technologies*
 and produce a *remote presentation*: Students (Client) listen the slides
 while the Teacher (Server) leads them.
 
 All information regarding *JAST-A-Slide* are available on
 http://jastegg.it/jastASlide/ .
 
   I hope that will not be considered as spam, because I’m informing
 about a standard and compliant software solution.
 
 I will appreciate any kind of suggestion aimed to improve the quality
 and the performance of that script!
 
  
 
 Cheers!
 
  
 
 Diego La Monica
 
 Web 2.0 - Standards - Accessibility
 
 mobile: +39 3337235382 - skype: diego.la.monica
 
 web: http://diegolamonica.info - http://jastegg.it
 
  
 
  
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Lane
To Susan and Jim,

Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
pliable with regard to those changes.

Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
both theme and functionality overrides (called hooks in the Drupal
world).

By judicious use of theme and module overrides and by building sites in
multi-site mode, you can achieve any sort of markup and form
alterations while simultaneously completely avoiding changes to Drupal
core code or 3rd party modules you might employ.  That makes future
updates of core and modules much much less painful.

Drupal also makes it easy to replace any interface text, either with
Drupal's full-blown internationalisation framework, or by using the
string replacement functionality introduced with Drupal 6.x (see your
settings.php file).

We (Egressive) actually chose Drupal as our core platform because of
it's community's surprisingly high awareness of web standards, and
because of the degree to which Drupal - by design - allows us to tweak
markup and user interface elements to comply with our preferred
standards.  It's an incredibly powerful, versatile system.

Hope that helps you.

Kind regards,

Dave

James O'Neill wrote:
 Susan,
 
 That give me an idea. I am just starting to learn PHP and Drupal so
 making changes on my own will be fun. I am looking forward to tacking some.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jim
 
 
 
 
 I am currently working on a large Drupal project using lots of
 modules.   I have created my own Theme that is 508 compliant (and
 semantic) that I use to start with - headers, footers, content area
 titles, main site navigation  that is based off the Garland theme.
No problem there.
 
 Each module though that I work with I asses the code and then make
 modifications to the base files if necessary to be compliant, and
 most times it is necessary, though sometimes its only a couple of
 little things.   It's not hard to do, but later upgrades are going
 to be a b---  so I document every change hopefully to make it easier
 later on.
 
 It also depends on what Ajax functionality you choose to use, or
 not use.  The more you use, the less compliant it becomes.
 
 This is all so simplistic, don't know if any of it will help you.
 
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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Lane
Hi Susan,

Yes, some very useful modules are written by people sometimes don't have
a full appreciation of how they can take advantage of Drupal's
capabilities - and fair enough too (I'm sure we did that too, when we
started, and probably still do from time to time)...

Ideally, if you have to tweak a module to make it standards compliant,
etc. then you can create a diff (i.e. a patch - instructions on
drupal.org) of the module changes and submit it to the module maintainer
for consideration.  If the Drupal community deems the improvement
valuable, there's little reason to think it won't be wrapped into the
next release.  That way, you don't have to maintain the code yourself,
and you won't have problems with upgrades.

It's cool how open source works.

Cheers,

Dave

Susan Grossman wrote:
 
 
 Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
 strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
 Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
 various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
 pliable with regard to those changes.
 
 Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
 definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
 learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
 both theme and functionality overrides (called hooks in the Drupal
 world). 
 
 
  cut
 
  
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Dave
 
 
 
 Thanks Dave for the input on hooks, which I have used in a few of the
 modules and they're real effective and I should've mentioned them.
 
 Unfortunately some of the modules I'm trying to use I find I still have
 to do some changing to.  I guess it's my lack of knowledge, but not all
 modules seem to be equal to me.  I'll take your suggestion and do more
 research and see how I can avoid this entirely, and I haven't done
 anything in multi-site mode. 
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Lane
Hi Susan,

Yes, some very useful modules are written by people sometimes don't have
a full appreciation of how they can take advantage of Drupal's
capabilities - and fair enough too (I'm sure we did that too, when we
started, and probably still do from time to time)...

Ideally, if you have to tweak a module to make it standards compliant,
etc. then you can create a diff (i.e. a patch - instructions on
drupal.org) of the module changes and submit it to the module maintainer
for consideration.  If the Drupal community deems the improvement
valuable, there's little reason to think it won't be wrapped into the
next release.  That way, you don't have to maintain the code yourself,
and you won't have problems with upgrades.

It's cool how open source works.

Cheers,

Dave

Susan Grossman wrote:
 
 
 Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
 strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
 Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
 various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
 pliable with regard to those changes.
 
 Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
 definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
 learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
 both theme and functionality overrides (called hooks in the Drupal
 world). 
 
 
  cut
 
  
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Dave
 
 
 
 Thanks Dave for the input on hooks, which I have used in a few of the
 modules and they're real effective and I should've mentioned them.
 
 Unfortunately some of the modules I'm trying to use I find I still have
 to do some changing to.  I guess it's my lack of knowledge, but not all
 modules seem to be equal to me.  I'll take your suggestion and do more
 research and see how I can avoid this entirely, and I haven't done
 anything in multi-site mode. 
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

2008-10-20 Thread Dave Lane
Hello Susan,

If you're doing a lot of Drupal development, and you don't already have
it, I strongly recommend getting a copy of Pro Drupal Development by
John K. VanDyk - the 6.x version of the book is ISBN: 978-1-4302-0989-8
- there's also a previous version focusing on 5.x which is equally
indespensible for learning the drupal way of doing things.

Cheers,

Dave

Susan Grossman wrote:
 
 
 Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
 strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
 Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
 various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
 pliable with regard to those changes.
 
 Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
 definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
 learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
 both theme and functionality overrides (called hooks in the Drupal
 world). 
 
 
 ... cut
 
  
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Dave
 
 
 
 Thanks Dave for the input on hooks, which I have used in a few of the
 modules and they're real effective and I should've mentioned them.
 
 Unfortunately some of the modules I'm trying to use I find I still have
 to do some changing to.  I guess it's my lack of knowledge, but not all
 modules seem to be equal to me.  I'll take your suggestion and do more
 research and see how I can avoid this entirely, and I haven't done
 anything in multi-site mode. 
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Dave Lane
I'm assuming most of the hacks are for IE?  Why not just conditionally 
include them, i.e. unless the validator obeys IE policies, it won't even 
see the IE-specifi CSS.


Dave

Fuji kusaka wrote:

Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?...

I cant pass validation because of some css hacks i used. Is there a way 
to hide those hacks when i validate it?


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Re: [WSG] html vs. html - neither.

2008-06-20 Thread Dave Lane
I must say that I find it quite alarming that any professional web 
developers believe that a CMS must produce URLs for dynamically 
generated pages (not files) which say .htm or .html on the end.


My colleagues and I have adopted sites built by such developers, and I 
can tell you that misconceptions like the necessity of .htm or .html 
suffices were only the tip of iceberg.


If a site is actually a legacy static site made up of files, then . 
might be relevant (although setting up webserver rules to abstract away 
file suffice is pretty trivial, and it's much nicer for URL readability 
and SEO), but nowadays if you're building a dynamic site on a decent 
CMS, adding the .html (never .htm - that demonstrates dubious taste in 
server OSs) to the end of URLs for dynamically generated content is 
painfully old school and, as the W3C and other posters have pointed out, 
quite unnecessary - sort of like a www on the front of a web URL is 
(or should be).


Dave

Rob Enslin wrote:

Hi peeps,

I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages 
where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the 
support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard 
file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard)


Is this true? Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Rob

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Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Dave Lane
Wow, that's very well said, especially your clarification of the 
relationship dynamics between the website and the visitor.


Thanks,

Dave

Andrew Maben wrote:
If you go to the mall, would you be happier if every store you entered 
assigned a staff member to accompany you so you don't forget to come 
back? I don't think so. If you're looking for a specific item, you're 
likely to be comparison shopping and perfectly capable of remembering 
which store has what you want and finding your own way back. If you're 
just browsing, then you'll remember stores that offer a pleasant 
experience - friendly and helpful staff, selection and quality of 
merchandise and ambiance - and will probably go back, even eventually 
mke a purchse, perhaps become a regular customer. If the experience is 
unpleasant - heavy handed sales techniques, poor quality, dingy 
premeises - you're equally likely to remember, never to 
return... Probably the two most insulting customer relations postures 
are coercion and insulting the customer's intelligence.


Further, it's a misunderstanding of the dynamics of the relationship to 
speak of users visiting your site. On the contrary, the user is 
extending an invitation to your site to visit HER browser, on HER 
computer, in HER home or workplace, so you (we) are beholden to the 
highest standards of courtesy and respect, if you hope to be invited back.


Andrew

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Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Dave Lane
My suggestion is simple: let it be the content and presentation that 
keeps people on your site, not gimmickry.  Most smart web surfers use 
Firefox or Opera or a lesser browser that is nonetheless tabbed.  If I 
want to stay on a page, I open links from that page in new background 
tabs while I continue to read the page.


I find it oh-so-frustrating to have a site designer decide how my 
browsing should work, breaking web conventions (note, web conventions 
exist for a reason... they're what people expect - I recommend people 
think long and hard before they break them).


If I click on a link on their site I expect it to open in my current 
window - if it insists on opening a new window, it pisses me off, 
because that's not how I work.  I see that approach as indicating a 
designer still in a very IE5.5-6 mindset: primitive.  Sites that try to 
manipulate me don't pique my interest, they put me right off (and, 
needless to say, I don't go back).


Dave

Joyce Evans wrote:

I always thought it was a good idea to open links to other websites in a
separate window, so you don't lose the visitor.  If the visitor clicks on a
link on your website and it does not open into a separate window, the
visitor may stay in the other website for awhile, going to, say, 20
different pages.  Most likely, he's not going to click on the back button 20
times to get back to your website, so you've lost the visitor or potential
customer.  If the link opens up into a separate window, the visitor cannot
click on the back button, so he'll need to click on the exit (X) button, and
voila, he's back in your website, where you want him to be.

Joyce Evans
Niche Marketing
www.nichemktghouston.com

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Hello List,

I was curious what others opinions were on this issue...

Since W3C doesn't allow the target attribute in XHTML Strict, which do 
you think is better?  Having the window opening up with JavaScript or 
just keeping the page in the same window like W3C wants. 

I assume the reason for not allowing the target attribute is for 
accessibility--because screen readers can not control pop-ups.  
Therefore it seems logical to me to keep it in the same window--even if 
it is an external site, etc.


What does everyone think?

Matthew


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Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions

2007-05-28 Thread Dave Lane

Drupal.  http://drupal.org

Mark Hedley wrote:

Hi everyone.

I am currently looking for a cost-effective (preferably opensource)
solution to run our companies UK based web site.

I have looked at TradingEye PHP Store and have spoke in depth with
Wladimir however some features seem restrictive for our needs.

If time was not an issue I would create a system from my own experiences
however time is a luxury I do not have at the moment and our system
needs an overhaul from an administrative point of view. I only took on
the development role in May 2006 and I am slowly getting things in order
but still a long way to go.

Needless to say I am wondering if anyone can offer any advice on a
solution for Content Management and E-commerce. Naturally something
which adheres to standards compliant design principals.

Look forward to feedback.

Thanks,

Mark Hedley
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Re: [WSG] Suggestions Please for: CMS / E-commerce Solutions

2007-05-28 Thread Dave Lane

Hi Paul,

I'm afraid your experience isn't one we've shared - we're more or less 
full-time Drupal developers now (after trying a number of alternatives). 
 If you haven't tried it, Drupal 5.x is a major step up from Drupal 4.7 
(which was already outstanding) - a very impressive system, and its 
theming capabilities from my experience are second to none.


Drupal uses php as its template language, too, which is a breath of 
fresh air (given that PHP *is* a template language, I find it amusing 
that so many people insist on inventing new templating languages written 
in PHP but with different syntaxes and without all of PHP's 
capabilities).  With regard to the little bits of files, you may be 
referring to Drupal's rather elegant theme override capabilities, one of 
its great strengths, in my opinion.  These allow you to change only the 
bits you want to change without incurring the overhead of replicating an 
entire theme if you don't need to.


Drupal's ecommerce functionality has been completely rewritten for 5.x, 
but it is my understanding that it is quite a big improvement over 
earlier versions.  I haven't used it much myself (my colleagues here 
have more experience with it and rate it as very good), so I recommend a 
test drive before committing - but then that's true of any of the 
CMS/E-Commerce suggestions.


Cheers,

Dave

Paul Bennett wrote:

Hi all,

I just have to pitch in here. My dealings with Drupal have been less than 
wonderful. I find it vague and confusing  (kind of like it's trying to be 
everything to everyone) and when I tried to create a new template I found all 
sorts of crappy table-based code needed, as well as the need to create bits of 
files all over the place to get one new template working.

In my experience, something like Expression Engine 
(http://www.expressionengine.com) or wordpress (http://www.wordpress.org) would 
be a far better bet for a simple CMS and a heck of a lot easier for a 
non-technical editor to use.

Just my 2c anyway
Paul


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