Re: [WSG] Safari: Inline-Block / Center Element Issue

2012-01-06 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 1/6/12 11:25 AM, Spellacy, Michael wrote:


Heh. I certainly don't find it difficult nor did I say where it was used
(For all you know the site could be a decade old!). Regardless, all
browsers appear to handle the alignment correctly except for Safari.
Good or bad - they should all render it correctly.


Your test page is using HTML5, so it's hardly a decade old -- and a
quick run through the W3C Validator will tell you, and I quote,

 Line 57, Column 20: The center element is obsolete. Use CSS instead.

So why you think browsers should render it correctly escapes me, as
do the circumstances that could dictate that you MUST use it.  :-)

And, BTW, it's not just Safari -- Google Chrome behaves the same, so
it's a Webkit behavior, apparently.

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Re: [WSG] Safari: Inline-Block / Center Element Issue

2012-01-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 1/5/12 10:13 AM, Spellacy, Michael wrote:


A collogue of mine came across a weird issue today on Safari regarding
the alignment on inline-block level elements such as input and select
within a ...wait for it...center  element. We came up with a
work-around (the most obvious being NOT to use thecenter  element
whenever humanly possible)


... humanly possible???

You find it difficult to avoid using a tag that was deprecated over
a dozen years ago in HTML4 and doesn't exist at all in HTML5?

Wow.

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Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 12/29/11 8:55 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:


FWIW Apple do provide guidance for how windows in OS X are supposed to work:

http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/Windows/Windows.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/2961-TPXREF21

Not sure Skype is following that guidance …


And unfortunately, guidance such as this is often ambiguous; the
Skype developers may have considered the two items that open to be
panels in the OS X sense.

The point is that as an end user I have no idea in advance that one
function changes this window, another launches another window.

But that's what happens, so clearly the developers felt there was a
contextual difference that meant replacing the main window content
with this other content was inappropriate.

Why should *web apps* be unconditionally constrained from the same
context-driven behavior?

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Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 12/28/11 8:08 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 12:49 PM, coderco...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk  wrote:

SO you mean that mr Dreamweaver programmer, or Mr outlook, etc etc . . .
shouldn't do it either?


Since they aren't navigating hypermedia, I'm not sure that's
comparable. But typically you have a fine degree of user control of
the opening of new windows in such programs. At the very least, it's
predictable.


Sorry, that's just nonsense.

Take a non-technical-consumer app like Skype. On my Mac, it opens a
single window when launched.

Some functions change the content of that window; two open new windows.
Which two functions? Feel free to predict, I'll wait  :-)

I also see no obvious way to control the above behavior.

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Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 12/29/11 11:31 AM, Tom Ditmars wrote:


I would dare to venture that the world has reached a point where knowing
about things like tabs or right-clicking should be expected. The
World Wide Web has existed for nearly 20 years.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings...  :-)

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MwTvtyrUQ

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Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 12/27/11 11:26 AM, MJ Ray wrote:


Help and confirmation pop-ups are very much special cases.


Heh, it's always about the special cases :-)


What is a continuation of the content, though?  I wonder if the crux
of the argument here is that some of us (maybe the longer-serving
webmasters?) think a link can be a continuation despite it going to
another site.  After all, it's the world-wide web, one giant
multi-authored multi-part hypertext document collection.


I was considering continuation to be a segment of a whole, in
the sense of Part 2 of 3, where it basically *is* linear order,
to use your term.


PDFs aren't part of hypertext and Adobe Reader is badly-designed in
several ways, so I'd ignore that.  Meanwhile, neither my microblog
or webmail clients open links into new windows: maybe if you prefer
that behaviour, you prefer different clients to me.


Your microblog client is also a browser? Interesting; mind telling
us what it is exactly? And regardless, many if not most desktop apps
handle URLs by launching a different app (== different window) to
display them.


Dear readers, please let me know your views on whether the web is one
document collection or many,


I'd say the distinction is irrelevant; the issue is whether there
are differences in the relationships *between documents* significant
enough to justify different display behavior.

  how many years you've been webmastering

18 -- but with the wind chill factor it feels like less :-)


and if/when you think links should open new windows - I really wonder
if they are related somehow.


As above: sometimes yes, sometimes no, depending on context. And
bearing in mind I'm really (ideally?) referring to new tabs in a
tabbed browser.


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Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-23 Thread Hassan Schroeder

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Regardless -- for the vocal objectors, do the same objections apply
to opening a new tab?


Pretty much. That's just a smaller version of the same problem.

Think of it this way: when you change channel on the tv, you
expect it to change channel, not switch on a second tv to the
new channel. That's crazy, isn't it?


Not only crazy, but the Worst Analogy EVAR :-)

Opening a new tab does nothing like switch on a second computer.

And that's aside from the fact that I utterly hate the Flintstone
technology we call television -- single window, no integrated
on-screen nav -- the dumb terminal of media delivery. Appalling
that we still have crap like this in the 21st Century.

Regardless, I suspect that there's a significant difference in the
user perception of tabs vs. windows, but I'd like to know if anyone
has done any actual studies.

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Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-23 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 12/23/11 11:12 AM, MJ Ray wrote:


Not only crazy, but the Worst Analogy EVAR :-)


Rubbish - I've done far worse before.


I sit corrected - your powers are te awesum :-)


Opening a new tab does nothing like switch on a second computer.


No - it switches on a second browser viewport, either above or below
the first one.


? above or below? Not sure we're talking about the same thing.
Or at least I wouldn't describe it in those terms.


Your television


Apologies for the diversion; I could go on a long time about that
one, but it's really OT here. Though again, it would be interesting
to know if anyone's done studies on how computers/web browsing has
influenced the perspective of TV users.

Back to the original topic:


It sucks on the desktop too. If you take the actual computer desktop
metaphor, with windows as documents on a desktop, opening new windows
or tabs isn't the common action in that metaphor.  What happens when
you read a page on your desk and turn to another page?  Does the new
page usually appear alongside (like a new window) or beneath it (like
a new tab) - or does it usually replace the page you finished?  It
replaces it, unless you do something special like grab a duplicate.


*OR* it's got a *different relationship* to the original window.

If it's simply a *continuation* of the content, sure, replacing the
original window content makes sense. But if it's e.g. a 'help' link,
or a dialog box, it *does* open a new window.

If the original content is a PDF, clicking an embedded link doesn't
open inside Adobe Reader; it *opens a new window*. If I click on a
link in my Twitter client, ditto. If cousin Connie emails a link to
her favorite LOLCAT of the day, click, boom, new window.

If people are baffled by new windows opening, there must be a lot of
continual head-shaking going on out there...

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Re: [WSG] Expected behaviour of links to external websites

2011-12-21 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 12/19/11 6:09 PM, Alex Mironov wrote:


Muchof my research suggests that the recommended practice is to

 keep people within the same window/tab except in some instances.

Most of the responses to this seem to focus on the evils of opening
a new *window*.

I'm under the impression that Webkit browsers (Chrome, Safari) open
a new *tab* by default, which to me seems fine. It's obvious it's a
different tab, the original page is right next to it, etc.

Firefox has an option to set this behavior; anyone know what any of
the IEs do? (Heh, I don't even know which IE versions support tabs.)

Regardless -- for the vocal objectors, do the same objections apply
to opening a new tab?

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Re: [WSG] Divs for tabular data

2011-12-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 12/4/11 11:22 PM, David McKinnon wrote:

OK, so I'm working on a project in which the developers are laying out tabular 
data using divs.



They say this is good because:

 1. It's fast


Compared to what?


 2. They can manipulate the resulting DOM much more easily than they could with 
a table


Would love to see examples.


 3. Developers find it easier to, say, add or remove columns from the tables, 
without having to
edit the code all the way down the table (no wysiwyg editors here!)


?all the way down the table? So, a hard-coded data table, rather
than a set of rows populated by looping through a data source?

That's just sad. Perhaps you can gently hint that it's now the 21st
Century. And these people call themselves developers?

 What do you think? Are tables too hard for the real world ...

Stop! My sides!! :-)

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Re: [WSG] nav element

2011-11-22 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 11/22/11 6:32 AM, Frances de Waal wrote:


,,,  and that a nav element around a simple
list is not adding anything to it but creating more code.


Of course it's adding something: semantics beyond that of a generic
list, which provides no metadata about what it contains.

Personally, I say it's worth adding a tag for that. YMMV.

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Re: [WSG] Wrapping text before float drop

2011-11-03 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 11/3/11 11:43 AM, Stevio wrote:

I'm trying to avoid using widths, if possible, so the divs can adjust to the 
size of the
content, but wrap text before float drop occurs.

Think of how two columns work in a table, when they have no specified width. 
They adjust to the
size of the content and the available width, and wrap their content if the 
available width is
reduced.


Do you *need* the floats? If not, look at CSS3 flex-box.

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Re: [WSG] Best Practice - Content Within Tables

2011-10-12 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 10/12/11 12:58 PM, Lapcewich, Dennis wrote:


Is it a best practice to wrap content in a table cell using p tags?


I'd say no, never. Each cell should contain exactly what's contained
in the corresponding DB field. If it's text, it might well *contain*
paragraph tags, or not. If it's a string, it *might* be wrapped in a
span, though probably not.

Regardless, there's no reason to include arbitrary formatting that's
irrelevant/orthogonal to the datatypes.

And if the data isn't coming from a database, either it shouldn't be
in a table or you should be writing the markup as if it were. IMO.

YMMV :-)
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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-28 Thread Hassan Schroeder


 but I have never seen an article that tells how you can test what
 elements get loaded in the mobile Safari

Maybe the third time's the charm --

Set up your test page and access it from your iOS device while
*watching the server log*. Did the device request the image in
question or not?

Is there something confusing or ambiguous about that?

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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 9/27/11 1:42 PM, Frances de Waal wrote:


As far as I know all the stylesheets ánd all the linked resources in them like 
background-images
will be loaded with meadia-queries. So I am afraid that the large background 
image that you try
to avoid for mobiles, will be loaded anyway as long as you try to solve this 
with media-queries.


What are you basing this on?

A quick test in Chrome and Firefox on OS X and Chrome on an old G1
Android phone, at least, shows that *not* to be true; a background
image is only loaded for the rule that matches the applicable media-
query. You can watch the logs (or developer console) and see other
images fetched as you resize the browser.

What browsers/platforms have you tested where this doesn't work?

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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 9/27/11 3:33 PM, Tom Livingston wrote:

I believe that Safari may be the browser with the 'loads anyway' problem.


Safari is a Webkit-based browser like Chrome, so I expect them to
behave pretty identically, but, for the record: just tested Safari
5.1 (OS X) and it also does *not* load all the background images,
only the media-query-specified one.

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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 9/27/11 8:44 PM, Tom Livingston wrote:

David, with nothing but mobile Safari, if I hit a page with multiple

 queries or an element specced as display:none but has a bg image, how
 to you *verify* that an unwanted image loads anyway or not?

As I said in my original email: set up a test page on one of your
servers and tail the appropriate log file; you can see when images
are fetched.

The original question was about media queries, not elements set to
`display: none`, but the same method should work.

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Re: [WSG] media queries can't understand body tag

2011-09-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 9/19/11 3:02 PM, tee wrote:

Please see this.

http://bit.ly/mWvfWC


It appears to work the way I *think* you want it to if you order the
css statements as:

@media screen and (max-width:1024px){ body { background:red} }

@media screen and (max-width:768px) { body { background-color: black; } }/*do 
not delete*/

@media screen and (max-width:480px) { body { background-color:olive; } }/*do 
not delete*/

@media screen and (min-width:1024px){ body { background: blue url(bg-bodytop.jpg) no-repeat left 
top} }/*do not delete*/


But let me know if that's an incorrect assumption :-)

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Re: [WSG] How do you cater to users with disabilities?

2011-08-23 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 8/23/11 12:53 AM, Mike Kear wrote:


I guess it's going to take another law suit like that one against the
Olympics2000 site to get anyone to take users with special needs seriously
and actually lift a finger to cater to their needs.


What would that lift a finger actually consist of?

I'm specifically curious how that relates to the many individual
site developers who certainly don't have a usability lab nor
projects budgeted to hire a screen-reader-wielding consultant.


The conclusion I'm being forced towards is that developers are basically
saying that users with special needs will have to swim for themselves and
it's up to them to find some software of their own to get around all the
obstacles the A/Bs put in their way.


Are you saying that sites designed to web standards are by default
full of obstacles? Or that conformance to web standards is simply
orthogonal to accessibility?

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Re: [WSG] Modal forms - what to call them?

2011-07-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 7/20/11 8:45 AM, Stevio wrote:

I am working on a CMS and within it, when a user wishes to add a record, I give 
them two options:
1) Add record - this goes to a new web page with a form.
2) Add record modally - this brings up a modal dialog box containing the form 
which allows them
to add the record without leaving the page they were on (this page lists the 
current records).
This uses jQuery. Once they add the record, the list of records is updated 
using AJAX.



However, I would like something shorter and simpler than 'pop-up dialog box'. 
Any thoughts?


Just curious -- why offer a choice?

Why not just offer the modal version if JS is enabled and the other
if not?

What is the user benefit of the non-modal option? And is it enough
to justify introducing an extraneous decision into the workflow?

Will the target user understand the implications of the choices and
pick one unhesitatingly? Or think eh? what?  :-)

Just askin' ...

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Re: [WSG] Can I have a Safari check?

2011-05-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 5/9/11 1:02 PM, tee wrote:

http://208.43.169.106/m151/index.php/patterns.html

Add the product to cart. What do you see after that? An enable cookies page? A 
empty cart page or a product has successfully added to cart?

Please provide your Safari version. On my machine, it's v5.0.5 (6533.21.1) and 
I am getting an empty cart page (when cookies was empty I got a enable cookies 
page), however in iPod and iPad,  everything works.


I just get the enable cookies page - Version 5.0.5 (6533.21.1) on
OS X 10.6.7. Going back to the add product page and resubmitting
doesn't change that, though I can see there *is* a cookie set from
the domain/IP in question.

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Re: [WSG] HTML/CSS reference

2011-04-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 4/5/11 7:31 PM, Webb, KerryA wrote:


You say (on that page):

The alt attribute is mandatory, not just good practice.

It's not, you know.  For decorative images, it's not even recommended.


via http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#edef-IMG --

  src %URI;  #REQUIRED -- URI of image to embed --
  alt %Text; #REQUIRED -- short description --

Learning to read the specs should be encouraged, I'd say.

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Re: [WSG] what could be the cause that Safari can't load a page?

2011-03-31 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 3/31/11 3:09 PM, tee wrote:


These days I have seen quite a numbers, the problem are not always
the same but it's always the Safari, these days the page simply
couldn't load, then freeze, and I am forced to quit the browser.



My Safari version is 5.0.4 (6533.20.27)


Loaded OK for me, same version of Safari, OS X(10.6.6) on a 3yr-old
MBP with 4GB memory.


http://bit.ly/eKE1He


A little slow, it's a huge page, but no freeze. Oh, and I got one
popup telling me my Flip4Mac version is out of date, so it may be
something to do with an embedded video element?

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Re: [WSG] Document Formats

2010-11-30 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 11/30/10 11:52 AM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) wrote:


The website I work with receives a lot of documents to be posted that
come in the form of Word, PowerPoint and Excel documents. And now, with
the release of the latest versions of Ms Office, they are coming to me
with an X on their extensions. I have information in the footer of all
the web pages for access to free viewers for all documents including
these latest extensions. This may be an adequate CYA but I am not
convinced it is the best practice. I know this must be confusing for
some of our visitors.


Given the history of MS-format docs spreading macro viruses, I'm
astounded that anyone still considers (1) posting them on the Web,
and (2) from the other side of the fence, downloading them. :-)

If a Word doc is the only option to get information from a site,
I go elsewhere. YMMV.

Perhaps you could automate the conversion of these proprietary
formats to HTML or (a very distant second-best option) PDF.

Security aside, from a pure usability perspective, requiring a user
to go get an external reader to access your information is pretty
unfriendly.

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Re: [WSG] best formatting for alt text

2010-11-12 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 11/12/10 4:23 PM, cat soul wrote:


I am assuming that alt text will be heard and not read.


?? Why?


How do people handle alt? format it with h6 and call it good?


You seem confused; alt is an attribute of the IMG tag, and H6 is
a member of a semantic hierarchy of headers, certainly not a visual
formatting device.

Why are you concerned about alt text formatting?

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Re: [WSG] A simple IE and JS detection method?

2010-10-28 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 10/28/10 9:31 AM, Foskett, Mike wrote:


Since querying here I've had difficulty validating code with a class on the 
html element.
Am I incorrect in the belief that it should actually be valid?


Yes, you're incorrect. :-)

Which could have been quickly answered by reading the recommendation.

Hint :-)

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[WSG] Re: Where are we with Frames?

2010-10-25 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 10/25/10 5:53 PM, Alan C. Whiteman wrote:


They have their place, I suppose. But for the most part they are no longer
used extensively. I venture to say that frames are archaic or otherwise
defunct ways of dividing a page, especially with the advent of Jquery.


So you're saying that a W3C recommendation -- HTML 4.01 Frameset --
is less appropriate than an alternate solution that *requires* the
user to have JavaScript enabled?

Do you have a real-world example of such a jQuery-based solution
that degrades gracefully, i.e., works with JS turned off?

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Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS rollovers for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 10/20/10 10:19 AM, cat soul wrote:


The picture I am developing now is this: HTML and CSS should be used strictly 
for content,
structure and formatting.

*Behaviors* are best left to things like Javascript.


But it's not that cut and dried -- CSS has always had behaviors,
e.g. :hover, :focus, as well.


so maybe these rollovers, when they do ANYTHING besides indicate a

 clickable thing, are passe, amateurish techniques ...


Now we're all over it..we've seen it, and we are back to function,

 information, usability, speed...

And maybe providing expanded affordances through hover behaviors is
totally appropriate in some circumstances, to deliver exactly those
benefits.  :-)

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Re: [WSG] CSS, :hover and touch screen devices (Was: CSS rollovers for images?)

2010-10-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 10/20/10 11:42 AM, cat soul wrote:

I agree thoroughly, Hassan. Yet as this is a best-practices discussion and 
group, and since
we've been hearing that these things A) don't always work and B) aren't always 
well-received by
end users, we're left with a need.

And that need is to know: out of the universe of what we can do, what ought we 
do to ensure as
universal an experience as possible?


I don't see any such need. Every site or application needs to be
evaluated in terms of the expected audience. Testing with real users
is essential, but you can still reasonably start with assumptions
that differ depending on whether you're building e.g. an intranet
inventory-management system vs a public lolcats-haiku-sharing site :-)

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Re: [WSG] Image Maps

2010-10-14 Thread Hassan Schroeder

On 10/14/10 1:23 PM, Christian Snodgrass wrote:


If you needed to get more exact, you could use any number of Javascript script 
to get more exact
results.


And all this thrashing about is going to provide a more accessible
solution than an image map?


The exact solution depends on the exact problem.


How about the exact problem being the one that image maps were
*designed* to solve? Allowing arbitrary shapes within an image to
be linked to different content? As in the US state example?

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Re: [WSG] Yes/No structure?

2010-06-07 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Lucien Stals wrote:
And I seem to recall that the old radios on which the metaphor is based 
could be pushed half in. That would cause all buttons to pop out thus 
having *no* selection. 


Poor implementations don't define a design pattern.  :-)

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Re: [WSG] Accessibility and HTML Emails

2009-10-28 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Felix Miata wrote:

Email is supposed to be text communication. 


And yet, remarkably, there's multipart/alternative as a MIME type.
Go figure.

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Re: [WSG] unbalanced q tags for extended quotations?

2009-10-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder

T. R. Valentine wrote:

Quotations which are more than one paragraph in length are supposed to
get opening quotation marks for each paragraph and only a single
closing quotation mark at the very end (in English). It does not seem
this can be done using semantic markup, i.e. q tags. Is there some way
to use q tags and get the UA to stop treating each paragraph as a new
nested quote?


Citing the HTML spec*:

 Q is intended for short quotations (inline content) that don't
 require paragraph breaks.

You want BLOCKQUOTE with paragraphs styled as you wish them.

 * http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-Q
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Re: [WSG] [Spam] :changing font sizes from within a page.

2009-07-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder

James Leslie wrote:

Comes down to the 'give a man a fish/teach a man to fish' principle for 
me. If you explain to the user how to use their browser settings to 
change the text size then they can use that on any site.  


Good in theory -- would you point out a few example sites that have
done a good job of explaining this to non-technical end users?


If you use the 3 A's it ... breaks if cookies/JavaScript are turned off


Not necessarily; depends on your server technology.

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Re: [WSG] no scrollbars in ff

2009-06-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder

kevin mcmonagle wrote:

Ok, it's just that I'm still working on the site still and don't want to 
post code that may have a few validation errors in it.


Dude, wrong way around. Fix the validation errors and *then* figure
out why you're seeing XYZ problem...

Or at least that'd be my preferred approach :-)

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Re: [WSG] google chrome on windows 98?

2009-04-21 Thread Hassan Schroeder

tee wrote:

Anybody knows if Google Chrome can run on Windows 98 and W2K?


I don't, but...

This is very depressing as it indicates that this browser still isn't 
going to die by the end of 2009. So I am really curious if Google Chrome 
can help speed up the death of IE6.


I'm currently consulting at a Very Big Software Company where the
IT-standardized PC image installed on all systems, currently, is
Windows XP with IE6. Yes, IE6, and most users are not given admin
authority over their systems to install/upgrade software.

So I don't think Chrome is going to change that situation :-)

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Re: [WSG] The notion of accessibility [was: Javascript Accessibility]

2009-03-02 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Matt Morgan-May wrote:


Look at the Atlas project that was unveiled this week, as an example.


ref?

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Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-23 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Nick Cowie wrote:


Frank is correct, a link is semantically correct way to go and to get
the behaviour John wants, he is better off using javascript than a
button. Though I don't know of a way of disabling a link with
javascript


? capture the click event and stop it.

In the bad old obtrusive days it meant including something like:

  a href=/foo onclick=return falsefoo/a

:: but we have more advanced ways now :-)

Search on the term event bubbling, for instance...

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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-14 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Christie Mason wrote:


CM - I wasn't talking about Flex.  I was referring to Flash.  I can see that
I wasn't clear when I changed thoughts.


And again, missing the point: Flash is a *platform* with which you
can do a variety of things. It's not 1998 any more, and Flash is
only about Dancing Hampsters(sic) if *you* want it to be.


CM -  Instead of humphing at me, educate me and by extension everyone else.
What does Flex do better, faster, cheaper than a text based database with
links to graphics, video/Flash, etc 


It's *integrated* with the video, graphics, sound. Let's say you're
teaching bicycle mechanics, and you have a video that demonstrates
replacing a cog in a cassette. As the component is disassembled, you
want to show the name and details of each piece as text to one side,
and maybe warnings/cautions on the other, with a static exploded
view of the assembly above where each component is highlighted as
it's being removed in the video.

You might be able to do that with the JavaScript-ActionScript bridge
and plain HTML but I guarantee it would be a /lot/ clumsier. :-)


Plus, I'd be curious as to availability of the Flex server in
remote hosts. I haven't seen any offer it, is it still so pricey(?)


No idea, check with Adobe. My last Flex project was a couple years
ago, and I'm pretty sure they've changed the licensing since then.

And there's also OpenLaszlo, of course.


Hassan, I also have a theory that I'd like to test with you.  Do you use
Macs as your primary computer or PC?  I think the very visual are drawn
towards using Macs and Flash.  


I don't think it's about me :-)

The point is using the proper tool for the job, and any application
with multimedia aspects is a candidate for a Flash-based solution.


I'm not a highly visual person, I even prefer reading data to being given a
graph.  


I spend most of my time in a text editor or bash, regardless of
what platform I'm using. But that's probably not germane to this
discussion, either.


I don't see the value of most rich interface methods because it's
been my experience than when people start focusing on making the
interface/content flash around


How about focusing on using multimedia to add value, to create a more
effective learning experience, as I hopefully demonstrated above?


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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Andrew R wrote:

,... and I’m going to make some gross simplification to illustrate my 
point. 


Apparently.

 Flash is prominently a tool for supporting interaction with
certain types of content. It does not enable a whole bunch of other 
activities that could (should) be included in supporting learning 
activity, such a peer discussion, collaboration, testing and application 
of knowledge etc. 


Absolute, utter nonsense. Flash is a platform.

Have you ever developed -- or even used -- an application built in
Flex, or OpenLaszlo? Perfectly simple to do any of the above, with
the advantage of easy integration with video and other rich content.

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Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-13 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Christie Mason wrote:

Yes, I've tried Flex and abandoned the effort. 



...  Plus, there's the maintenance issue.  Simple example I always
use is what if you had to change a corporate logo in every Flash file?  To
do that with a dynamic database approach you change the file once and that's
it.  To change it in every Flash file...


.. you do exactly the same thing, because it's not in every Flash
file at all.

Yes, you obviously didn't get very far with Flex -- so, why are you
arguing the (de)merits of a technology you don't understand?

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Re: [WSG] Title attribute

2009-01-11 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Christian Snodgrass wrote:

Just another note: EVERY element has a title attribute


Uh, not exactly, at least according to

  http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html

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Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia

2008-11-26 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Brett Patterson wrote:

1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit!
2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!!

--and--

3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I 
can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive!

4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam.


Very expressive. Though you might want to adjust your meds a bit :-)

And you might want to google, say, Australia firewall censorship...

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Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Kate wrote:

Wow! You hand code. 


You realize many people started developing web sites before anything
like DreamWeaver even existed -- when the *only* option was opening
up a file in vi or emacs or whatever text editor and hand coding?

It's not rocket science, honest. And the sooner you throw aside the
crutch of WYSIWYG design, the better developer you'll be.

Certainly, in a /web standards/ context, you'll be looking more at
the semantics of your content and markup, rather than drawing pretty
pictures :-)

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Re: [WSG] URL length best practices [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-04 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Joe Ortenzi wrote:

the long and friendly URL is really for the final page, which should not 
bury a full product list so deeply and should be titled 
/product_list.html anyway.


Uh, how about more properly '/product_list'  (or '/product-list') --
your customers don't care about the underlying '.xyz' technology, and
`Cool URIs don't change` http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI, or
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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-28 Thread Hassan Schroeder

liorean wrote:


  Anyway, by the time the first full
version of Navigator that had it was released (2.0) it had already
been renamed to JavaScript, so I'd hardly say it was released under
the LiveScript name.


Well, at this point I don't know exactly when a version of Navigator
was released with it under either name but certainly remember reading
plenty about LiveScript before the name change.

And there were certainly some interesting internal discussions at
JavaSoft about the whole issue. :-)

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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Brett Patterson wrote:
I am sorry, but I must ask. Are you saying that the term JavaScript is 
owned by Sun? 


Yes, and googling javascript trademark gives a first hit of
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript


And, yes, JavaScript is implemented in Internet Explorer.


And, no, the same reference will explain why that's incorrect.

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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder

liorean wrote:


(Netscape had originally intended to use the name LiveScript.)


Actually, it was initially released as LiveScript and renamed later.

So much backstory on that, but at this point I have no idea what's
covered by my then employment contract. Regardless, good times. :-)

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Re: [WSG] Font-size inheritance issue?

2008-10-25 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Lynette Smith wrote:


Won't guarantee this is the source of your woes, but on the Operations page,
the h2OPERATIONS isn't closed.

Yes - how embarrassing!  Can't believe I did that!


To err is human - typos happen :-) but this is yet another example
where running the W3C validator on the page would have immediately
identified the cause of what looked like a CSS display issue.

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Re: [WSG] JavaScript clarification please

2008-10-23 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Brett Patterson wrote:
I am in the middle of a conversation with this guy who says that 
JavaScript is an object-oriented language. Is he correct? Could you 
please site some references?


How about the standard itself? :-)

http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecma-262.pdf

 Overview
   ...

   ECMAScript is an object-oriented programming language for
   performing computations and manipulating computational objects
   within a host environment.

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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you want to save money and have an all round free open source editor 
that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I would 
suggest notepad++.


Ignoring the fact that the OP requested a Mac -- not Windows-only --
solution :-)

So I'll mention jEdit http://jedit.org/ -- also free/open source,
suitable for just about any developer environment, plus cross-platform
(requires a JVM).

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Re: [WSG] google and validation

2008-10-18 Thread Hassan Schroeder

designer wrote:

which refers to the '=' before the utf8. Or is it all  that cause the 
problem?  That single URL finds 24 errors altogether.


Did you change them all? Because that's all I had to do to make your
sample validate...

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Re: [WSG] Is it a good practice to have 'Back to Top' link?

2008-09-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder

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I find that this approach is not good in this day and age everyone loves to
have an interactive approach but the accordian approach in my eyes has not
lived up to a good range when it comes to displaying information.


lived up to a good range?? What the heck does that mean?

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Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-11 Thread Hassan Schroeder

David Dorward wrote:

It doesn't really reject it, it just warns you that the combination 
doesn't make much sense.


Sigh. Semantics. That was one suggested DOCTYPE that I found -- and
no, I'm not sure at this point where -- but regardless, do you know
the answer to the *original question*:

When will the W3C validator support ARIA?

Or, if you believe it already does, what is the appropriate DOCTYPE
to use?

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Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-11 Thread Hassan Schroeder

David Storey wrote:


When will the W3C validator support ARIA?


I've no idea for HTML, but I'm not sure it is 100% important.  If the 
rest of your code is valid and the only thing that is invalid is the 
WAI-ARIA stuff then that would be good enough for me...


You're missing the point -- I validate not for religious purity but
to make sure I have a valid DOM (no overlapped/missing tags, typos
in element names or attributes, etc.).

Analyzing each validation to see if errors are OK errors or real
errors is not acceptable. We want green bar here, always :-)

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Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-11 Thread Hassan Schroeder

David Storey wrote:

Then your solutions are either to do as the W3C suggests and use the 
class attribute for WAI-ARIA role names, and add afterwards using 
JavaScript/DOM, or validate before adding the ARIA stuff,  then add when 
you are sure the rest of the mark up is correct.


or just ignore the whole thing, until the validator can handle it :-)

Let's hope that's reasonably soon...

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Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread Hassan Schroeder

David Storey wrote:

HTML4 and XHTML1 are the here 
and now.  WAI_ARIA was retrofitted from XHTML2 (I believe) to HTML so 
that it could be used right away.  All major browser vendors support it 
now, once IE8 comes out. 


Anyone know when the W3C validator will support it? :-)

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Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread Hassan Schroeder

David Dorward wrote:


Anyone know when the W3C validator will support it? :-)



(Obviously you have to validate against a DTD that includes ARIA features)


Right, and the only thing I could find relating to this was:

  !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC Accessible Adaptive Applications//EN
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;

:: which the validator rejects -- hence the question :-)

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Re: [WSG] Correct markup of fieldset

2008-08-08 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Paul Collins wrote:

This is one I've never been sure of; should the submit button be in a 
seperate fieldset, or should it even be in a fieldset at all because it 
is not a group  of fields; it's a button on it's own.


Quote http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-FIELDSET:

 The FIELDSET element allows authors to group thematically related
  controls and labels.

Your example contains a group of 1 submit button, but there's no
reason a form might not have *multiple* action buttons, e.g. clear,
reload, 'view as admin', etc.

Clearly those would be thematically related.

Alternatively, ask yourself if your submit button is thematically
related to the contents of any other fieldset.

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Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Michael Horowitz wrote:

Interesting this works

select style= font-size: 8px  name=cruiseline

but this does not

select class=small name=month

.small  {
   font-size:8x;
}


Interesting how? Typos usually /don't/ work, in my experience :-)

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Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder

David Fuller - magickweb wrote:

Come on everyone don't give Michael too hard a time, we ALL typo from time
to time and wonder why it won't work...

Its just part n parcel of the coding world...


True enough, but when something doesn't work running it through a
validator (or even an intelligent editor) will frequently identify
the issue(s).

Validate early, validate often :-)

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Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder

David Fuller - magickweb wrote:

Speaking of intelligent editors... What do you all prefer?? 


This is probably veering OT, but I use jEdit -- feature-rich, easily
extensible, runs on anything with a JVM. And free/open source :-)

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Re: [WSG] Multiple Language Domains

2008-06-13 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Paul McCann wrote:

I am currently in the middle of building a site which has to be 
bi-lingual. 


Currently ourwales is the prominant/main domain and the one to which the 
IP details of the site are set. We are then using an alias within apache 
to also point cymruni to the same site. 


I have a few worries though, currently both domains point to the english 
language version of the site, this will be changed so cymruni goes to 
the Welsh language side. 


So then you drop the alias and make the Welsh site a separate virtual
host -- no redirects needed.

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Re: [WSG] Stumped need suggestions - how to highlight two links at once

2008-06-04 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Likely, James A. wrote:


Want to highlight two links at once if you rollover on of them.


You'll need to use JavaScript to do this.

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Re: [WSG] Fwd: using fieldsets and legends (outside a form) for adding structural markup

2008-05-22 Thread Hassan Schroeder

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Judging by how quickly you replied, I am doubtful that you managed to
test every browser  version known to mankind before you replied - one
or two combinations doesn't really make effective proof!


Au contraire, one is enough to prove the contention wrong, but in
any case, testing FF2, Safari 3, and IE7 provides the same result.
Feel free to expand that to your satisfaction :-)


In any case, is this just a case of the browser inserting what it thinks
should be there, as with tbody ?


No. Again, easy enough to test.

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Re: [WSG] Fwd: using fieldsets and legends (outside a form) for adding structural markup

2008-05-21 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Jason Grant wrote:

One more subtle point here (after taking this discussion into the office 
with guys that work with me) a point was made today that within DOM 
fieldset is part of the form hence you cannot reference a fieldset 
through DOM unless it is inside a form  ...


An easy theory to test, and hence, to prove utterly wrong :-)

Not that I support the idea of using a fieldset outside a form,
but bogus is bogus...

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Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Amrinder wrote:

I was reading this article on Smashing Magazine which shows how to 
increase code readability


but I have listened to Andy Clarke ... saying that one should save 

 the white space as it increases the file size.

Which approach is better? Should we go for code readability as described 
by Smashing Magazine or follow what Andy said.


Do you have enough page views that your bandwidth cost is killing
you? Will removing a couple of dozen tab characters in your style
sheet result in a better user experience?

If so, pull the white space. Personally, I'd worry more about the
ease of maintenance, especially if more than one person's working
on the site. :-)

Or have the best of both: formatted for readability in your version
control repository, with a script to run at deploy time to check the
markup+css out and minimize it.

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Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder



One argument against the use of transitional doctypes is that they're
now more than eight years old which makes them about half as old as
the Web itself. Do you want to base your site on what was status quo
half a Web lifetime ago?


Uh, aren't the transitional doctypes pretty much, er, well, exactly,
as old as their corresponding strict doctypes? :-)

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Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-28 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Joe Ortenzi wrote:


... The help application opens a new window because it is designed to 
help you interact with the application you requested help with. It would 
be pretty dumb to delete the thing that you requested help with to be 
replaced with the help modal.!!


Exactly my point. And exactly the situation with a complex web app.
And of course there are other interactions where a separate window
is appropriate, as with desktop apps.


But web pages rarely  


And once more, I'm *not* talking about web pages, but about web
applications. Perhaps if you've never seen or used one, it's hard
to conceptualize, but they exist.

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Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Michael Horowitz wrote:

I just read how a target=”_blank” is not part of xhtml


It's not part of XHTML 1.0 Strict or Transitional -- it's part of
XHTML 1.0 Frameset. Choose the doctype you want to validate to. Or
use the JavaScript approach.

Ya pays yer money and ya makes yer choices :-)

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Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Thomas Thomassen wrote:
Poping up windows makes assumtion of the user's behaviour. 


Making assumptions about users' needs and behavior is your job as
a designer/developer. Which is not to say everyone makes the best
possible decisions. :-)

Not everything built with (X)HTML is a brochureware site; people
build browser-based applications, and sometimes even full-fledged
frame use makes sense (e.g. JavaDoc, for one).

As far as opening windows -- click on the Help menu item in your
browser or another desktop application right now, and tell me if
the help screen takes over your entire application window space,
or, just possibly, *opens a new window*. Wow. Maybe this *is* an
acceptable behavior *for some circumstances*.

Horses for courses...
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Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-27 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Thomas Thomassen wrote:

Frames and popup windows is fine features to use in web based 
applications. I'll agree to that. 


Which is exactly my point -- why remove (or even deprecate) a useful
capability because it's been abused by some?

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Re: [WSG] IE 8 and grey

2008-03-17 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Adam Martin wrote:
Are you talking from a css point of view? I would advocate not using 
words - what happens if a future browser decides that grey should be 
#6; where previously it was #3; (just examples). Your design is 
suddenly not going to look as you intended.


You mean, if a browser maker decides not to support standards?? Who
would do such a thing? I can't even imagine it   :-)

  http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#idx-color
  http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#value-def-color

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Re: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-21 Thread Hassan Schroeder



changed along the response chain from server to client they can't be
relied upon.


Other way 'round.

Referer is a Request header, (optionally) originated by the client.
But even user agents that provide one may have it stripped from the
Request by personal fire walls, proxies, etc.

But since it's optional, servers (and well-written web applications)
shouldn't care. :-)

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec5.html#sec5.3

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Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

2008-01-08 Thread Hassan Schroeder

dwain wrote:


http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/

i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz.  i run windoze.  how 
would i install it on a windoze box?


Uh, extract the contents of that file and read the directions? :-)

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Re: [WSG] Preserve whitespace

2007-12-12 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Simon Cockayne wrote:


This is *not* a presentation/layout issue.

I have a field that contains leading blanks (space) characters that the 
user tells me has semantic meaning that they wish to preserve.


So what do you mean by preserve?

The text nodes inside tdfoo/td and td  foo/td aren't equal
in value, regardless of how they're displayed; they're strings with
lengths of 3 and 5 characters, respectively.

The space characters are certainly there, so the issue you're trying
to address isn't at all clear...

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Re: [WSG] intranet benchmarking quiz

2007-10-18 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Jixor - Stephen I wrote:

 From what I have heard wikis generally fall down as they will be 
initially maintained by whoever set them up in the first place and over 
time they will become outdated and generally are underused. 


From what I've seen, this is typical of wildcat intranet web sites,
period.

Someone perceives a need unmet by the supported corporate site(s)
and so, outside the bounds of her/his real job, creates a site to
address that need.

But building a web site is exciting, maintaining it over the longer
haul a whole lot less so, and eventually the site is semi-abandoned,
still running but no longer updated -- another decaying monument to
relevance entropy.

Then someone sees that original need is no longer being met, decides
s/he can do a better job of it, and the cycle begins again :-)


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Re: [WSG] intranet benchmarking quiz

2007-10-17 Thread Hassan Schroeder

plasmo wrote:


To deal with this somewhat, I am taking a short quiz of people's
experiences with their current intranets.


Though I'm a self-employed consultant now, I've been involved with
a number of intranets dating back to one of the first (1994) cited
here: http://www.useit.com/papers/sunweb/


QUESTIONS:
1.  Does your company have a single overarching intranet, which is the
first point that everyone goes to, with sub sections for various
groups OR do you have a separate site for each section or group within
the company?


I've never seen anyplace that didn't combine both of these -- there
are always organizations that decide they're not satisfied with the
official centralized setup, and the barrier to entry is so low.


2.  Is your intranet built on a standard set of templates reflected
across divisions, or are your sub sites or various intranets very
different?


Again, every intranet has had a range of consistency. It probably
depends on where your corporate culture falls on the spectrum of
control vs. freedom; companies here in Silicon Valley tend to be
tolerant of experimentation.


3.  If a new service/resource was being launched in your organisation
would the announcement be made via email or via the intranet?


Email, definitely.


4.  Do you utilise any collaboration tools. (discussion boards, wikis,
blogs etc?)  


Collaboration tools have not gotten any traction in the companies
I've worked with; people collaborate via email (or phone, or just
walking over to talk to someone). I suspect part of the problem is
cultural (send me mail is just an automatic response to conclude
a conversation, email's push information model suits the reactive
interrupt-driven mode most people work in) and part is technological:
current collaboration tools lack hooks into desktop address books,
calendars, etc.

And of course there's I'm too busy to learn anything new to deal
with -- understandably difficult to combat when the problem that
these new tools are solving isn't apparent to the user. :-)


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Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Nick Gleitzman wrote:

Language is what we have as our primary tool of communication. There are 
others, of course - Rothko's paintings speak volumes (even if the man 
himself lets them speak, choosing enigmatic reservation about their 
meaning) - but to presume that because someone is blind, they can't 
understand the content of a visual image via a word-based description is 
incredibly (ahem) short-sighted. They're blind, not brain-dead. I'd 
suggest the shortcoming is not in their ability to understand an 'alt' 
description, but in your ability, Bob, to write one.


Perhaps then you (or anyone adhering to this view) can supply, as
an example, a useful description of the cited Rothko? Or maybe one
of Jackson Pollock's works? ('No. 5, 1948' might be good)

And since art is often intended to prompt an emotional reaction on
the part of the audience, write that description so the audience
has an opportunity to connect emotionally with the described work
without putting your own bias into it...

Ready, set, go! :-)

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Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Rahul Gonsalves wrote:

'An abstract painting by Jackson Pollock, done on a 8 x 4 feet sheet of 
fiberboard, with thick amounts of brown and yellow paint drizzled on top 
of it, forming a nest-like appearance.'


Interesting -- I'd have never used the term nest in relation to
that piece. And given that nest can be an emotionally evocative
term itself, a good illustration of the problem. :-)

So, while it _may or may not_ 'evoke an emotional response, I'd argue 
that there is some amount of 'data', that we can convey, even to/for 
users with visual disabilities - and exempting that data on an arbitrary 
assumption seems...premature.


I'm not saying we shouldn't provide /some/ data, I'm saying that
some people are trivializing the difficulty of creating *useful* and
*relevant* alt text for complex images, especially those intended to
convey *emotion* rather than simply information.

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Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Nick Gleitzman wrote:


As for your second paragraph: you miss the point.


No, *you* miss *my* point; I said:


And since art is often intended to prompt an emotional reaction on
the part of the audience, write that description so the audience
has an opportunity to connect emotionally with the described work
without putting your own bias into it... 


Note that last: *without* putting your bias into it.


Of course it's possible to describe even an abstract painting. It

 may, as I said, take a thousand words, or an essay, or even a whole
 book - but it  can be done.

As I said, I'd like to see an example of alt text that enables a
non-sighted person to connect, in *other than* the most factual way,
with a pictured piece of visual art.

You can get a certain amount of information from a photocopy of a
grilled cheese sandwich, but it makes rather a dry meal :-)

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Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Nick Gleitzman wrote:

A photocopy may be a poor, 2-dimensional representation of the real 
thing, but a blank piece of paper isn't anything at all... Which is more 
useful?


Depends on whether you're just curious what a sandwich looks like
or you're starving, I guess -- if the latter, the answer is neither :-)

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Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:


We do however know that the number of users who need to know and
actively use such browser options, is growing with the number of elderly
people on the web.


Uh, we do? :-)

I found this article
http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/custom/modernlife/bal-ml.boomer17jun17,0,5613476.story
regarding the increasing availability of large-print books, which
says in part:

  According to Lighthouse International (a group that helps
  people deal  with loss of vision), 17 percent of Americans
  45 and older have some form of visual impairment.

  In 2010, all boomers will have reached that milestone birthday
  -- a group of about 20 million -- and most will be feeling the
  effects of presbyopia, the inability to focus on objects close
  up. (By the time we hit our 40s or 50s, the elasticity of the
  eye naturally decreases with age, and our close-up sight is
  affected.)

OK, fine -- but reading a hand-held paperback book and reading a
screen a couple of feet away seem very different to me, for lots
of reasons.

So my question is: do we *know* that this applies to reading text
/on a computer screen/? Not guess, not believe, *know*.

Personally, I find 16px text far too large for comfortable reading.
And before anyone pulls out the dang whippersnappers card, I'm 60
years old and I've worn eyeglasses for most of 'em. :-)

Citations of actual research would contribute more to the discussion
than unsubstantiated opinion -- IMHO!

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Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Felix Miata wrote:


So my question is: do we *know* that this applies to reading text
/on a computer screen/? Not guess, not believe, *know*.


Maybe something like this?
http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/2S/font.htm

And as additional answer to issue of aging boomers:
http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/3W/fontSR.htm


Neither of which are apparently worth anything, if your contention below
about assessing size is true :-)


To know how big 16px or 24px is requires knowing:

1-screen size
2-screen resolution
3-viewing distance

Plus, there are factors besides size that affect reading comfort, such as
contrast, leading, and line length.


At least, I didn't see any of that addressed on a quick read.


Had you written 12pt rather than 16px, one might assume that your system had
a properly adjusted DPI and consequently that 12pt really meant 12pt, a
physical size, and thus meaningful. Even so, without knowing your viewing
distance, we still don't know the apparent size. 


On my 1280x1024 19 (diagonal) flat panel display, 12pt and 16px are
visually the same. The physical size on the screen is ~3.5mm (a bit
more than 1/8) and my viewing distance is ~32 inches.

But we don't have any of that for the studies you cite, so how much
can they really be relied on?


Note that it happened many many years ago when average screen DPI was much
much lower than it is now. 16px isn't as big as it used to be.


Uh-huh. And these studies were (apparently) published seven years
ago, and hence likely done on low-res CRTs, for which, again, we
have no data.

In the absence of /current/ evidence, I'd say the jury's still out :-)

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Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-05 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Felix Miata wrote:


If you accept the assumption I make below, then quite the contrary.


I'm not interested in accepting your assumptions -- I'm looking
for valid evidence; that's the whole point.


A 1280x1024 19 display is ~86.3 DPI. If you are using a browser that floors at 
or is fixed to use an assumed 96 DPI (standard doz setting BTW), which more often 
than not is the reality, then 12pt should be rendering at
about 17.8px. 


Using FF2 on my SuSE 10 desktop, 12pt and 16px Arial upper case M
characters render at *exactly* the same height. Measured, not just
theorized.


But we don't have any of that for the studies you cite, so how much
can they really be relied on?


Because of their source and apparent nature, it is reasonable to assume 


No it's not. It's only reasonable to assume if you want to try to
twist the evidence to your way of thinking.

One minute you say you need a whole laundry list of data points to
analyze how big a particular font size is, and the next minute
you say we can assume that a particular study (the conclusion of
which favors your argument) is perfectly valid without all that.

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Re: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?

2007-08-14 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Joseph Taylor wrote:

Every document should start as a plain, accessible HTML document.  


That's true -- for *documents*.

But many web sites these days are *applications*, not collections
of static documents.

Web applications represent a significantly different design problem,
particularly in terms of accessibility.

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Re: [WSG] setting fontsize in body

2007-08-07 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Rick Lecoat wrote:


What I'm asking is: Do we /know/ that the majority of people have their
default text set according to their requirements, or is it possible that
a large number of those people (particularly those people who will most
benefit from an accessibly designed site) are simply viewing pages at
default size because, to put it bluntly, they don't know that there's
any other way?


It's not only possible, it's highly probable.

A few years ago, I taught a basic HTML class to employees of a large
*high-tech* company. Out of hundreds of students, only a handful had
any idea they could change their default text, or -- note -- anything
else that involved *using* the menus at the top of the browser. They
simply never explored them.

This continues to be true of every /non-developer/ I've dealt with
personally or professionally.

I've had clients/usability test participants rave about how wonderful
it was having an on-page font resizer. Not one realized that was also
duplicated functionality. Not one.

Claiming that the average user has configured any browser to her/his
personal taste is simply wishful thinking.

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Re: [WSG] Auto scaling within a table's background image

2007-08-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Matt  wrote:

I guess there were a couple of concerns raised. One of them was the 
justification of the table's use. I chose it only because it 
is currently the only way I know to put pretty borders (outer and 
inner) around and within an image. 

/
I'm still waiting on someone to post a newer standardized approach to 
acheive the same effect.


I think you'd have a better chance of getting specific help if you
posted a complete example (or two) of your current approach. :-)

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Re: [WSG] Auto scaling within a table's background image

2007-08-01 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Matt  wrote:


The specific portion of the code I'm having a problem with was
inlcuded on my first post. The code that was not included is just
regular table based border wrapping. I bet most if not all the members
here are of the been there, done that experience level, which is why
I didn't bother illustrating it.


Yeah, been there, done that (since 1993), but...


I'm going to write an example here for your convenience:


..without a real sample /with images/, I don't know if your border
is supposed to be solid color, a complex geometric pattern that has
to match at the corners, a cutout piece of a photo-realistic image,
what -- and it *does* make a difference how *I*, at least, would
approach this problem using CSS.

Hence my suggestion that you provide a *real* example. Or two :-)

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Re: [WSG] Serving Different Content to Returning Visitors

2007-07-26 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Daniel Kendrick wrote:
I am curious if there is a way to serve up different pages to returning 
visitors so its different than that of a first time visitor.


Sure. :-)


I would like to avoid cookies all together. But if I must I must.


The only alternative to cookies is to force the user to authenticate
to your application, after which -- if you don't want to use a session
cookie -- you'll have to do url rewriting.

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Re: RES: [WSG] Serving Different Content to Returning Visitors

2007-07-26 Thread Hassan Schroeder

SosCpdGMail wrote:

Sorry, im quite new to all that, but cant you look for cached content? Ip
addresses cannot be used I think, because routers and all that, but cached
files will be sure on client machine if he don't clear cache since last
visit.


And you'll look for cached content how?

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Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Ryan Lin wrote:

With the XHTML Strict DTD, forcing a new window to open for a link via 
target=_blank is not a valid semantic method anymore. I myself believe 
that whether to open in a new or current window should be user decision, 
not wed designer/developer. 


Why? If you have logical arguments about this, beyond believing,
why can't you use them to convince your clients?

Just askin' :-)

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Re: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Tee G. Peng wrote:

Oh, although no statistic to proof it, but I do believe we manage to 
save quite a few forests each year by having the PDFs be available on 
one's website, on the internet.


?! You're entitled to your enthusiasm for PDF (which I don't share)
but this one escapes me -- how do you figure?

Personally, I'm more likely to print out (at least parts of) PDFs
because they're so hellish to use on-screen...

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Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Dave Lane wrote:

I find it oh-so-frustrating to have a site designer decide how my 
browsing should work, breaking web conventions 


Opening new windows *is* a web convention, of long standing, your
lack of approval notwithstanding.  :-)

...  if it insists on opening a new window, it pisses me off, 
because that's not how I work. 


But that's /you/ -- *not* everyone.

I've done usability tests where users *preferred* off-site links to
open in another window. There are other circumstances where opening
new windows -- help, typically -- is desirable, even necessary.

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Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites

2007-07-11 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Not that this will necessarily address Marvin's issues, but I just
couldn't let it go by :-)


First, lets understand the different aspects of web development.

1) Web Design - This involves understanding colors, extensive knowledge 
in graphics applications such as photoshop, illustrator or fireworks.


To which I'd say -- sorry, no, that's *graphic* design.

Real web design addresses business needs, information architecture,
user experience and interaction design. It's what enables creation of
wireframes or monochrome undecorated prototypes for usability testing
long before any graphic artist's involvement.

Without that, you're just painting pictures in markup...

IMO :-)

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Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites

2007-07-11 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Breton Slivka wrote:

Argghh no! the ignorance! Just stop going about thinking you know what 
you're talking about when it comes to Graphic Design! Graphic Design 
isn't Make it Purdy, Graphic design isn't Learn how to use 
photoshop. It's exactly that perception that leads to awful website 
after awful website. Certainly, aesthetic beauty is a *side effect* of 
the design process, but *do not* make the mistake of thinking that's 
what graphic design is.


Wow. Apparently I woke /someone/ up :-)

A Good graphic designer (one who is familiar with what graphic design 
actually is, rather than the ignorant stereotype you just displayed) 


And *you* may well be an exception to the rule, but...


... But seriously, you are wrong about graphic design.


..but seriously, I have *never* seen an ad for a Graphic Designer
(or worse, mislabeled Web Designer) that looked for anything but
Photoshop/Illustrator, possibly Flash, proficiency. Nothing about
BA/IA/UX/ID. Zip. Zed.

For the vast majority of such positions, it's all about purty. :-)

Seriously. I do know exceptions -- Darrell Sano, who I worked with
at Sun, comes to mind -- but they're few and far between. Far too far.

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Re: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues

2007-06-07 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Mark Hedley wrote:
 Handheld users CAN view PDF.

Rather a sweeping statement -- my SideKick II certainly can't.

Though I can't imagine that I'd want it to -- it's bad enough that
so many HTML sites don't linearize well to a small screen. A fixed
format like PDF would be really painful to deal with...

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Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jamie Collins wrote:
 Assistive Technology is by no means off topic when Web Standards are
 involved.

!? and Web Standards and Photoshop intersect exactly where? :-)

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Re: [WSG] OT on list

2007-05-29 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Jamie Collins wrote:
 If you read what i said properly you will understand what i said.

If you read the original posting properly...  :-)

 Do you see the part that says'When Web Standards Are Involved'?
 I didnt mention photoshop anywere, i said when Web Standards are Involved.

To quote the OP:

 now for second semester, will be using photo shop, to manipulate 2 and 3 d 
 objects.
 now, is there any way to do this accessibly with jaws? 

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Re: [WSG] RE: Error help

2007-05-23 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Paul Bennett wrote:

 In Firefox and Opera - the flash video shows the message 'a 
 required component is missing from your system! Click here to
 add component'
 (no js errors in either browser)

Unless you consider it a logic error to prompt the user to download
an ActiveX DLL to a Linux system  :-)

Thanks for pointing out that message, though -- I totally overlooked
it, as that area seemed merely decorative.

You can't use our web site! might oughta be a little bolder...

To the original question -- have all the people complaining about
crashing browsers downloaded and installed this extension? Or are
they all using IE? Or _ ? I'd isolate common threads first.

FWIW,
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